5.7x28mm, 36gr Copper Solid, DevastaTOR 2.0, Elite Ammunition Velocity, Gel, Armor
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- čas přidán 1. 02. 2018
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Round Used: 5.7x28mm, 38gr JHP/CHP, Elite Ammunition
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We should start a 5.7 support group.
PS 90 minutes late to a meeting is ok!
one-of-us channel thumbs up for the word play
Always appreciate 5.7 reviews.
Cool to see more 5.7 lovers!!
Yes, I heard caliber usage breaks down like:
- 70% of the US use 9mm
- 10% use .40 S&W
- 9% use 45 ACP
- 11% use "other" caliber
So of the 11% "other" calibers (.25, .32, 380, .357 mag.,10mm, etc.) how large a percept of the USA uses 5.7x28mm?
The Worlds usage of 9mm is probably even higher.
*Yes, this caliber need more lovers.*
Stay safe
*Note:* these figures are from an Active Self Protection video (Nov. 27, 2017):
Biggest Takeaways of My Survey of 6,000 + Firearms Carriers | Active Self Protection Extra
czcams.com/video/RZ0v7zoVzV0/video.html
@@sweetcostarica why is 9mm more common in army than 5.7?
@@allah___maadarchod That is a very easy question to answer. Armies like Germany, England,
China, America after 1980, and especially *India* use the 9mm due mainly cost. It is much,
much cheaper to outfit large numbers with a say .10 cent per round than a $1 USD per round.
God bless.
@@sweetcostarica well, why can't they start standardizing the 5.7?
@@allah___maadarchod Hi again, the answer to: "why can't they just standardize to the 5.7" is the same - cost. If you want more reasons you really should ask the Army of all the nations using 9mm as their caliber of choice.
God be with you always.
Michigan P90 squad reporting in!
You do the best review on CZcams hands down. No bullshiit. No blah blah blah. All details. Great job man👍
Yeah try Paul Harrell
You're the only other lefty shooter I've ever seen! I thought I was practically the only one.
Woot ! A second lefty!!
Great video
I Really enjoyed this , so much so You got a New subscriber ! Thanks .
Thanks
@@BuffRANGE Your welcome ! , I'm just watching Your "Can various 5.7x28mm Rounds penetrate Mild steel " Video and I'm really glad I Subscribed now ! , I'm just wonder why it took Me so long to find Your channel ?
That’s impressive the wound channel
Heeeeeey Fellow michigander :D FiveseveN is my go-to
Very nice video.
Bought a ruger 57 a couple months ago damn I need some of these
I want to see the sheet metal after you shoot it. It’s interesting.
The problem using the T6B out of my 5.7 is when I tested a failure to fire situation. I simulated a light primer strike. When performing a manual ejection on an unfired round the point hangs up. I had to clear the round by ejecting the magazine and letting the round fall though the bottom of the magazine well. This an absolute no go to consider the T6B as a defensive round. Since the T6B (plus the cut) is the same as this round the same ejection issue would occur.
I use my 5.7 primarily as a learning tool for new shooters. I will train gun handling and basic shooting skills on a 22. I then use the 5.7 to work on trigger technique. The low recoil and extra loud fire of the 5.7 allows me to see a shooters trigger weaknesses and flinch response. Once we establish good habits versus bad habits we move on to a 9mm to finish the day.
This video shows clearly to me this round is not a great choice for a defensive round. I would appreciate any feedback as to any other defensive rounds others have experience with so I can evaluate trying them out.
The point hangs up where? SS198LF, R&RWS 37X are good self defense rounds
Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. I agree. RR 37X/F as a defensive round. ELITE, not so much.
Guess who’s back
Best gun channel on youtube.
Ehhh
5.7x28! 👍😀
Nice shirt 💯
Superr!!!
great channel. my man here needs a camera with higher fps for those slo mo shots!
Some day!
The only 57 I can afford is made by Heinz.
That's about where I'm at too :(
So what exactly is the difference between this and the T6B as it stands?
Yea T6B seems way better especially when you considering wounding. Not sure which is better at penetration but T6B seems better
With all the testing you've done - do you have a preference, or opinion of lead-core like VMax or Barnes DETON-A-TOR vs copper, in say something the Lehigh Defense Controlled Chaos Bullets 32 gr or 38 gr? These are some of the only things I can seem to find and considering to try some handloading. Or for that matter, can a person actually buy any of these tips that Elite or Vanguard load their rounds with?
Good shot or lucky... Doesn't matter if u shoot out pupils every time u pull trigger
Get a suppressor for that ps90 or just a suppressor in general. It should show free bore boost
Typically see a 40 fps gain on the 5.7 with suppressor from what I remember.
I really like FN but I’ve been vacillating back and forth on their 5.7 for years! Seen one at my LGS for $1200, it’s a lot for what it is. I’ve seen rave reviews on them and I got a friend who didn’t really like it and sold it, hmm...🤔
@@michigunsanta8680
One word..
RUGER
You're welcome :)
@@michigunsanta8680 cmmg!
@@samuelsigman745 cmmg
Where in michigan. I'm from michigan too. I also have ps90 and 5.7 fan
Do you think you will produce a video testing the DevastaTOR (Devestor) 3.0?
see here: czcams.com/video/ocmwzC9o728/video.html
I had NO IDEA you were in MI! I’d love to come shoot with you man!
Thumb of Michigan represent!!
I'm from bottom east corner of Michigan
I'll stay with .300 BLK supersonic for our PDWs. No link to the t-shirt biz?
sorry about that :D www.russianrouletteclothing.com/product/5-7x28mm
Is that David T. Chastain on the music? 🤔
Oh you’re in Michigan?? Hell yeah man. I live in the Thumb and just bought a 5.7! Get at me sometime
Btw Matt, you should look at getting the SRO for your five-seven. I know this is old video so maybe you have but I went from RMR to SRO and the larger optic made getting on target so much easier and faster. I virtually have no ops where is the red dot hide and seek issues anymore. Lol
SRO is approaching the limit if not the limit for too heavy of an optic for the 5.7
@@BuffRANGE *shrugs* works great on mine. Are you talking about making weapon too heavy to hold or too heavy for proper cycling? I have a few hundred maybe 500 rounds with no issue.
@@DCMAKER133 cycling, especially if wanting to run subs :D
@@BuffRANGE oh, I could definitely see sub sonic being an issue but unsure if it is. Would be interesting to test.
On a side note, do you know if you can hot load the T6Bs or are they already stuffed to the max/have the best gun powder?
Do they offer 5.7 loads with good penetration and terminal ballistics? Now that the American Eagle 5.7 plinking loads are becoming so cheap I am thinking of getting a PS90 and SBR'ing it.
Check into cmmg banshee sbr 5.7x28mm, i think that would be even sweeter
5.7 is known for going through armor
Ss190
Those velocities seemed rather timid. Is this something new from Elite? Looking at the fired bullets there does seem to be a lot of area under rifling. Why doesn't Elite make these things "bore riders" with a .220" primary diameter, and a leading band of .221", middle band of .222", and rear band of .223"? I may not be as accurate - though I see no reason to assume that considering military artillery shells are ALL bore riders with nothing more exotic than a single, copper driving band to be engraved by rifling.
This review was done with their new custom brass and they were playing it on the safe side with velocity. They have since discontinued brass and this bullet and now are on Dev 3. I need to do an official review on Dev 3
Is this available to the public or only to LEO?..sorry I couldn't watch the video I'm having bad signal and it takes an hour to load a 5min video
Available to public and LeO
I'd like to see someone put it through formal FBI protocol testing.
Which slide do you like better for performance the regular fn slide with red dot optic added or da coas slide with optic on it . Is da coas slide made durable
I like this one a little better because the mounting is more solid. optic will sit lower. The cover is very durable
Hello from Michigan. I don’t own a 5.7x28 handgun but I’m really interested would you say it’s a good self defense carry gun compared to other full size handguns in 9mm or 45acp
That's usually a very hot topic. IMO with good ammo (SS190, SS198, EA loadings), I think it's just as good as any common pistol caliber loading, with the slight advantage to it for barrier penetration. The issue becomes that it costs 2-3x more for the FSN than a 9/45 gun, so it's hard to justify it from that aspect.
Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. Yea entry price for the gun is a big negative I keep eyeballing the FN . But looking at the ballistics a bit and the cost of ammo isn’t to bad either I think the accuracy and ease of shooting plus it’s round count per mag would make for a good carry gun. It’s a really big toss up for me looking for my first handgun
Subjectively speaking first handgun, I'd say buy 9mm. Easy to learn to shoot, and so many flavors to choose from in both ammo and guns.
Great reviews and to the point. Good content and no fluff. But now my wallet is in trouble.
Your wallet's just fine, since EA is always sold out of 5.7 ammo.
Buffman, what does your 5.7 collection look like? Ammo accessories?
I have quite a bit of 5.7 ammo types :D
Nice. I got a ps90 now and in love with the 5.7 ammo. My next purchase is the 5 seven pistol
very speed bullet big velocity 2,000 feet for seg
😳
Where can you buy this?
Interesting. Looks a lot like a 5.45 with the long neck, followed by two side-by-side connected 'bubbles' of TSC.
Yep. Super long.
Wonder if it would make a good home defense weapon for someone who lacks grip strength etc
It has about 2/3 the recoil of 9mm.
With a ps90 he'll yea
Made this comment about two years ago. I’ve since worked with both my FN pistol and my P90S….l feel it has its place in a static home defensive role for certain.
Are you still a fan of 5.7?
Yes sir.
What are your thoughts of the cmmg banshee in 5.7x28mm
Compared to the ps90
@Muhammad Furqan it's the same caliber just two different manufacturers. Both are self defense ready so what are the different purposes you're speaking of?
@Muhammad Furqan all that was a known. The comparison was being asked of between the ps90 & the banshee particularly 5.7x28mm. The pistol was never thought of for this comparison.
I don’t get it why would they restrict the sale of it
Back in the day when they made these out of Barnes Banded Solids, then it was their choice to restrict them to LE only.
Fellow Michigander here. Where about you from? Let's do a range day.
Southwest..
@@BuffRANGE I'm on the opposite side south east.
Instagram link not working for me.
Sorry i forgot the URL changed instagram.com/buffmanrange/
Where the hell is January Minnesota?
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You mean you didn't have to ask
permission from the ATF to shorten
the barrel length?
Wow, you must be an outlaw! 😂
Ohh I did. I had to wait a bit for that to come through :(
1900FPS in a handgun!
*Reprint* of Chuck Cribbs "reply to" for all reading:
Yes, I heard caliber usage breaks down like:
- 70% of the US use 9mm
- 10% use .40 S&W
- 9% use 45 ACP
- 11% use "other" caliber
So of the 11% "other" calibers (.25, .32, 380, .357 mag.,10mm, etc.) how large a percent of the USA uses 5.7x28mm?
The Worlds usage of 9mm is probably even higher.
Stay safe
*Note:* these figures are from an Active Self Protection video (Nov. 27, 2017):
Biggest Takeaways of My Survey of 6,000 + Firearms Carriers | Active Self Protection Extra
czcams.com/video/RZ0v7zoVzV0/video.html
No idea, but there are people who can and do carry it.
@@BuffRANGE Yes, there a "few" that do carry the 5.7x28 caliber.
There are solid tactical & just plain logical reasons most folks use the other calibers over the 5.7x28 but...
here is number one why about 1% (if that) of the US population uses the "body armor killer caliber":
And that is *price(s)*
- the cheapest 5.7 bullets go for $30 USD per 50, compared to the cheapest 9mm bullets that go for $9 USD per 50.
- the two (2) firearms that use the caliber, i.e. the FN P90/PS90 and FN Five-seveN pistol are very expensive (IMO).
So considering everything the 5.7x28 caliber is so "special purpose"... for the general public you got a huge loser here.
Just putting it out there.
I carried the 5.7 with Elite Ammunition's DevastaTOR 2.0s for 2 years and would have continued to do so today, but the Sheriff's in Cali have taken to demonizing the round and removed if from approved concealed carry. So now I have to carry my 5.5in Glock 20 in 10mm with 135gr or 150gr Underwoods.
@@Paradox3713 Police work is a different thing compared to use with civilians or even hunters as most animals
stopped wearing body armor after the last dinosaur died.
*Anyway, for whatever the reason most people do not carry the 5.7x28 caliber.*
It is *too exotic* due to it narrow role (armor penetration) and
it's cost - one much *more expensive* handgun calibers.
@@sweetcostarica yeah, exotic and expensive are definitely the words to use about the round. But the FN factory stuff is so watered down it should be considered target ammo at a duty round price.
Elite Ammunition I would consider duty worthy not only because it is higher performance, but also because it is highly accurate, the round tumbles like a rifle round, and with such little recoil follow up shots are fast and easy.
The Fort Hood shooting used the watered down FN ammunition, and we know how that went. So 40gr EA ProtecTOR rounds against an unarmored target could end a fight. 20 rounds of it in a single magazine brings a lot if firepower to the fight.
But I do admit...there still are not enough actual firefights to officially judge with.
No homo but based on your back and lats and the channel name, you bench probably 350lb+? Definantly been hitting the gym.
You could say gym/workout/fitness is probably my wife and I's second hobby. Bench is actually a movement I don't do a lot because the benches we have at our rec building at work suck for benching. I have a lot of work to do to get to 350, but thanks for the compliments (no homo :D)
@@BuffRANGE You got it.
Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. Creatine got me to 350 in 2 weeks from 275
Hey man you do any 10mm reviews?
Only some basic 10mm velocity tests. I know The Chopping Block and AR15.com do them.
Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. Thanks man
So these are available for everyone?
As they should...
Yes they are. I even have a discount code for 5% off 100$+ order in my description :D
@@Viziry cant disagree with a BeavCoon lol
What is the discount code?
Cool looking rounds but they don't want to go straight through the target.
That's typical of long projectiles that tumble. They don't follow a straight path like a traditional pistol bullet does.
but is it that big of a deal the bullet is still gonna kill the bad guy either way and if the bad guy has got body armor its gonna yeet right though it. also 5.7 was made to tumble and stay in side the body as to not over pen and hit some one else. and in a real body with origins and bones unless the bulled is really heavy or going really fast like a 308 rifle round they tend to bounce around inside.
but is it that big of a deal the bullet is still gonna kill the bad guy either way and if the bad guy has got body armor its gonna yeet right though it. also 5.7 was made to tumble and stay in side the body as to not over pen and hit some one else. and in a real body with origins and bones unless the bulled is really heavy or going really fast like a 308 rifle round they tend to bounce around inside.
Is rugged 5.7 and fn 5.7 the same
Rugged 5.7?
Good review, but I was surprised by th relatively low velocity. 2200 fps our of the PS90 especially. Any idea why this is, when heavier (~40g) projectiles can routinely get pushed to 2400-2500 in a regular P90?
I'm not aware of any 40gr that can hit 2500fps even in the 16". SS197SR will hit 2200 in the 16" 2400 is what I've hit with the EA's TMJ. I did hit 2300 fps in this with the 16'". I do agree we should see more velocity out of it..
You're right, I looked back at my source, and they were 31g projectiles (my mistake), but they were still almost 200fps faster than this loading.
It is an SBR PS90, taking off 6 + inches of barrel will drop velocities.
+Elite Ammunition, Jay Wolf
But the other rounds with the higher velocities were getting those out of a standard *P90* , which has the same barrel length as this SBR
Please source same weight rounds going faster from same weapon.
Any bolt action rifles in this caliber
Not unless custom one off.
First and last video from this channel i will ever watch
Why? What did I do wrong? How can I do better?
@@BuffRANGE Nothing. Your reviews are always well crafted and set up and you deliver hard numbers from testing against comparable materials. The only thing I think you could have done wrong is allowing Curtis C to post on your video.
How would you compare the t6b, vanguard black fang and the devastator? I have the black fang and it runs good thru my 5.7
I think the t6B and BF design are better than the Dev.
The Vanguard is a rip off of EA's design.
Elite Ammunition, Jay Wolf only BF is faster.
made of soft copper and does not penetrate anywhere near as much.
joe jones Did ass. Patent attorneys won't touch a interstate lawsuit without a 100 grand up front. Since patent infringement settlememt has to be paid out of pocket the company who has to pay just declares bankruptcy. That is why the attorneys want all their fees up front. Rip off fuck fang can't touch the T6B on performance. Body armor that stops FF cold the T6B rips through.
Why is there a cover on the magazine
Which mag?
@@BuffRANGE I thought it was a magazine on the bottom of the SPR. Lol
Thats not where the mag goes on a ps90 and it is a bag that is used to catch brass for reloading.
Im in genesee county where are you at?
St Joe/Kzoo County :D
Not far at all I have 40 acres and a half mile horse track shoot from the truck,its a blast if you ever want to shoot,love your videos man 5 stars
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Who wheres soft armor though.
Quite a bit of people still do.
Confused as to who will come and take them huh>
Isnt it illegal to cut your 16"barrel down to 10" ...
Not if you file a form 1 and pay the govt $200 to get a tax stamp
Are you able to modify any gun as long as you file form 1 and pay tax
Federally yes. You can file a form 1 and make a rifle called an SBR with barrels shorter than 16”. You cannot however make machine guns. You can only buy those on a form 4 and only ones before 1986 are legal for civilians to buy and they cost $$$$$$
Just curious if it works the same as making a full length gun to SB if you could add a stock to an ar pistol to make it a SB with form 1 and tax
@@BuffRANGE I dont want a machine gun..lol as cool as that would be I was just curious how it would work for an SBR more for home defense and some plinking at the range wasn't sure if you could do it by adding a stock to a ar pistol and file the form and pay the tax
Be a good varmint gun ...
Troll
I’d take the 5.7 anyway over the ps90, having the ability to draw a bead faster is more important than a few extra FPS from the worlds deadliest air soft gun. Such a ridiculous looking and impractically designed contraption.
Have you shot a PS90?
Yes, that’s why I have no interest in them.
The 357SIG will smoke the 5.7 65gr@2350fps😎👍
But size and shape of 357 will impede armor penetration :/
@@BuffRANGE cant sharpen the tip?
You need to stop using the rifle one . Your not gonna use it for self defense carry
Who's to say someone isn't using that on their bed side?
i dont really feel comfortable watching left handed people shoot
Why is that.
@@BuffRANGE it feels like they're gonna get hit by the ejecting cases or something
@@sasori21153 I get hit a lot with cases no matter what hand. Although with a sub2000 from Keltec that one will plow you right in the nose with spent cases :(
Load that one again and shoot it.
1800fps....? No thanks. I'll stick to BLACK dragon fang and RR 37 F/X. 2200fps or GTFO Jay. Yeah you. Im talking to you and your slow LEO offers. Everyone is now shopping elsewhere. You have a slow 55 gr round called the Penatrator? Please. Id rather use American eagle against armour. Time to close your shop and walk away in defeat. You loose again.
The Penetrator was never meant to be a velocity king. This was created back in the day for people wanting a supersonic 55gr FMJ. As far as the velocities of these, Perhaps Jay will increase the velocity of them.
Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. Thats all good, but why name it Penetrator then? That nist sounds like bad R&D or like someone was trying to make a quick buck. Im sticking with R&R and Vangaurd BF
Probably because in bare gel and non armor barriers it will "penetrate" a lot. I personally don't see a need for it in this platform unless it's subsonic, but they created it for a specific request back in the day, so it's there if someone wants it.
What is loose?? You mean lose??
5.7 is the most overrated cartridge created
Why do you say that?
Please quit with the awful music I have to turn up the audio to hear you and you cut to the loud music thanks
sorry. I dropped the music gain to -15db so it's quieter, but I put it on slow mo so you know the video is progressing :D
SLOW TRASH unpredictable elite ammo. Poor quality control. I got rid of all my elite garbage. And bought the good stuff. JAY at elite is is a chump.
what's the good stuff you bought...
Wow
Very ugly weapon ps90
He has feelings too :(
@@BuffRANGE well go get a face lift lol