Hey man, just wanted to say thanks for making my EDF 5 experience go much more smoother. I'd thought Fencer was crap until I watched your mobility guides, now it's my main class. Keep it up, and thanks again.
While the Ranger is a fine class, it seems to be a bit underwhelming when compared to the other classes. Definitely a jack of all trades class, in that they're not terrible in most situations, but the other classes can definitely either do more damage, or have a lot more utility use such as an air raider doing crowd control via their air strikes on large swarms of enemies. Would've been nice if they gave the Ranger a special ability to call in a squad of NPC troops. While it wouldn't be that glamorous on its own, if nothing else it'd give extra things for the monsters/aliens to get distracted by. And it would've fit nicely with their support equipment that gives extra healing to NPC's when you pick up a health pack. Maybe in EDF6 I suppose.
I think that's the best idea I've heard in a long time. Allowing the Ranger to call in a squad of 4 NPC troops would definitely help increase this class' usefulness. On top of that, I'd like to add that said squad be scaled to the difficulty. Play on easy: summoned squad has ARs. Hard: squad has shotguns. and so on.
That's a good idea, and could be a great addition or replacement for his vehicles. I had an idea of either giving him a passive bonus that lets his squadmates deal more damage, take more damage, and/or be healed more. I think it would also be nice if you could direct squads you acquire to particular locations, or focus their attack on a single target. As it stands now, I find him to be the most difficult class to do offline inferno missions with. As you said, he doesn't have the DPS output of his peers, and he's also the most susceptible to damage since (a) Wing Divers have flying and dodging to avoid damage - as well as high DPS, (b) Fencers have great mobility, attack damage with melee weapons & shields + damage mitigation items, and (c) Air Raiders have absurd damage potential and vehicles to protect them. TBH, I also think some of the enemies need to retuned for EDF6 along a multitude of lines, such as DPS potential, movement speed for flying vehicles, AI behavior, player target acquisition times and accuracy, etc. There are certain missions where the Ranger simply can't complete them on higher difficulties (Mission 89 Inferno), or just simply can't do it without having insane amounts of armor and/or being forced to used Reverse Shooters. +Jack Wong Or make the type of squadmates you get like gear items, and you get those items out on the field. A low level AR Ranger squad would use the basic M4 assault rifle, while a high-level AR squad would use Blazers (or high level AR's).
I feel like it would have been worth mentioning some other attributes on a few of these weapons. For rifles in particular, the Slade, MXR Sirius, G&M series can penetrate targets, potentially multiplying their damage output significantly and the Minion Buster series can potentially hit multiple targets from it's minuscule blast radius, but more importantly has no damage dropoff. Getting full potential damage on target with a shotgun isn't a guaranteed thing outside of point-blank range, but since nearly all the shotguns also benefit from the piercing capability, I doubt the rifles can catch up to their sheer damage output. One thing I have wondered is if it is possible for these piercing weapons to strike the same target multiple times. Like going through one leg of an Erginus and into the other leg.
Great video always you're doing splendid things, i'll wait this type of video about fencer and air rader beacuse those are my two primary caracther in edf 5
I wish the EDF games showed DPS stats, I end up just calculating them myself. DPS and DPS after reload are so nice stats and they would make many fights with Erginus/bosses/tanky enemies/etc easier if people actually used their highest dmg guns, and it's not a bad stat just in general against regular enemies either.
Actually it is possible to calculate DPS via ui, by extension. What I mean is, if you look at how "Smart Hunter", a mod for Monster Hunter World works, you can see it is possible to make an identical app run while EDF 5 is running.
If Mr Lysander were alive, he would soil his shorts in his grave. If anyone were alive in a grave I imagine they would also soil their shorts. Great vid though.
2 insanely good combos for Ranger: Slade + Lysander ZF: Absolutely destroys all the Frog and Ravager variants, you shoot the sniper, then while it cooldowns, you shoot the slade, practice with it and you can kill THE ENTIRE MAP WITHOUT TAKING DAMAGE. Fracture + Lysander ZF: ONLY GODS USE THIS. Completely disintegrate anything that is in a 100m range, combo both weapons while they cooldown, 1 sniper, 2 shotgun shots.
Do you use the MR100 Fang on dlc 2 inferno? I love everything about that weapon. The way it looks, the over 13000 damage, the range… except the 4.5 second reload lol. What other weapons do you prefer I use with it? Because I can’t seem to part from it lol. And I don’t wanna use the Lysander ZF.
The Monsoon shotgun hands down were my shotgun of choice in the cheese Ball enemy mission farms. In parking garage and waterfalll. I don’t remember if Monsoon was my best Shotgun at the time but I do know I liked how fast and it fired and the quicker reload
I would give the Blazer 10/10, unless you just can't stand the reload time. Normally, that reload time would be a problem for me with most other weapons, but with the crazy power and 999 magazine, I find that the area surrounding me is nearly always cleared of enemies, giving me plenty of time to reload. It excels at killing almost every enemy type in the game. The range (seriously, this thing is a freaking assault rifle?) renders the sniper rifle category obsolete. The power combined with the ridiculous versatility in my opinion makes the Blazer the most overpowered weapon in the game, or at least one of them. The Buster Shot simply obliterates whatever poor enemy that took a face full of it. Shreds even Erginus and Archelus in no time (absolutely the best weapon for the Ranger to use against). However, I have had a lot of problems with the exploding flechettes hitting me or my teammates, in good part because they don't explode right away. I might knock the Buster Shot down to 9/10 for that. Maybe it's just a L2P issue though. I find myself using Fracture most of the time instead because I'm too afraid of friendly fire against my teammates. Fracture is wonderful! I never really see any reason to use a rocket launcher, unfortunately. Sniper rifles? See: Blazer. Grenades? Just awful. The Falcon, MEX5 (if you don't have the Falcon), and MLRA-TF are all terrific. The Prominence is a cool weapon, but almost never good to take. It needs a big damage boost in order to be what it's meant to be. Grenade launchers. If I need AOE damage, the Stampede XAM is what I pick up! On some (not all!) underground missions though, I'm probably going to use a shotgun instead. The other grenade launchers are meh, like the rocket launchers. "Miscellaneous" weapons. The Firecracker 0 is fun, and has uses! The C70 bomb is great if you know how and when to use it. The Impulse mines are pretty bad, but are kinda fun. The Flame Geyser and Napalm both have niche usefulness (Flame Geyser was MVP for me when farming Ranger weapons on DLC1 mission 11). The acid guns and flamethrowers are fine, but overshadowed by assault rifles and shotguns. The Bound guns frequently pepper you and your teammates with ricocheting pellets, yet are not powerful enough to be of use. The Reverse Shooter X is great when you don't need a second weapon, and it can save your team from mission failure. It is especially useful on the final mission! Great video! Just thought I'd give my opinion on usefulness! Looking forward to your videos on the DPS of the other classes!
Thank you! For the Blazer, I think I gave it a 9 out of ten because it doesn't penetrate through targets and can be tough to use as your main defense if you never have a break in the action but I can see a 10 out of 10 for it being a good choice as well.
I bet the Wing Diver’s phalanx will be at the top cause it shoots really fast and can take down a war barga in 1 clip. I think even a strike barga if I remember correctly
In DLC02 Mission 11, I can beat that on inferno solo in exactly 5 minutes using nothing but Phalanx ZAT (not even fully leveled up!) (That mission is nothing but Erginus and those King Koopas)
While the MGs are weaker than shotguns, they do stun the shit out of enemies a lot better. Great against the unarmored humanoid enemies. You might want something else to strip of the armor tho.
I rarely like video’s but this one I must like because... embarrassing as it may be I’ll be spending hours now just to calculate every weapon that I have and place them in my notes. Also... you’re meaning to tell me that the best weapons that I have pales in comparison to DLC?! I really need to get it then. Also does your DPS solution work for all other classes or no? Bonus question: How do you calculate air raids?
Nice, I uploaded video of shotguns (highest level) last night, I tested on silver spider, go check it out if you want, almost max out both Buster Shot and Monsoon MZ.
"Bound Gun" I have a feeling this is a mistranslation and should really be called "Bounce gun" since that's literally what they do, guns that shoot bouncing bullets.
Are you taking range/fall-off/canceling frames/etc into account, or is everything you're giving here stat wise just being assumed as "under optimal conditions"? I wouldn't even want to guesstimate the DPS on anything with a spread or odd/interesting bullet pattern... Rule of thumb, "set the bar a tad bit low and you'll usually wind up pleasantly surprised."
This is just optimal conditions so that is why I felt it necessary to give a practical rating as well. I have made "best weapons" videos in the past for each class
Hey man, just wanted to say thanks for making my EDF 5 experience go much more smoother. I'd thought Fencer was crap until I watched your mobility guides, now it's my main class. Keep it up, and thanks again.
That is encouraging to hear, thanks for the comment!
While the Ranger is a fine class, it seems to be a bit underwhelming when compared to the other classes. Definitely a jack of all trades class, in that they're not terrible in most situations, but the other classes can definitely either do more damage, or have a lot more utility use such as an air raider doing crowd control via their air strikes on large swarms of enemies.
Would've been nice if they gave the Ranger a special ability to call in a squad of NPC troops. While it wouldn't be that glamorous on its own, if nothing else it'd give extra things for the monsters/aliens to get distracted by. And it would've fit nicely with their support equipment that gives extra healing to NPC's when you pick up a health pack. Maybe in EDF6 I suppose.
I like that idea for ranger and it makes the most sense too
I think that's the best idea I've heard in a long time.
Allowing the Ranger to call in a squad of 4 NPC troops would definitely help increase this class' usefulness. On top of that, I'd like to add that said squad be scaled to the difficulty. Play on easy: summoned squad has ARs. Hard: squad has shotguns. and so on.
That's a good idea, and could be a great addition or replacement for his vehicles. I had an idea of either giving him a passive bonus that lets his squadmates deal more damage, take more damage, and/or be healed more. I think it would also be nice if you could direct squads you acquire to particular locations, or focus their attack on a single target. As it stands now, I find him to be the most difficult class to do offline inferno missions with.
As you said, he doesn't have the DPS output of his peers, and he's also the most susceptible to damage since (a) Wing Divers have flying and dodging to avoid damage - as well as high DPS, (b) Fencers have great mobility, attack damage with melee weapons & shields + damage mitigation items, and (c) Air Raiders have absurd damage potential and vehicles to protect them.
TBH, I also think some of the enemies need to retuned for EDF6 along a multitude of lines, such as DPS potential, movement speed for flying vehicles, AI behavior, player target acquisition times and accuracy, etc. There are certain missions where the Ranger simply can't complete them on higher difficulties (Mission 89 Inferno), or just simply can't do it without having insane amounts of armor and/or being forced to used Reverse Shooters.
+Jack Wong Or make the type of squadmates you get like gear items, and you get those items out on the field. A low level AR Ranger squad would use the basic M4 assault rifle, while a high-level AR squad would use Blazers (or high level AR's).
I feel like it would have been worth mentioning some other attributes on a few of these weapons. For rifles in particular, the Slade, MXR Sirius, G&M series can penetrate targets, potentially multiplying their damage output significantly and the Minion Buster series can potentially hit multiple targets from it's minuscule blast radius, but more importantly has no damage dropoff.
Getting full potential damage on target with a shotgun isn't a guaranteed thing outside of point-blank range, but since nearly all the shotguns also benefit from the piercing capability, I doubt the rifles can catch up to their sheer damage output.
One thing I have wondered is if it is possible for these piercing weapons to strike the same target multiple times. Like going through one leg of an Erginus and into the other leg.
Great video always you're doing splendid things, i'll wait this type of video about fencer and air rader beacuse those are my two primary caracther in edf 5
Thanks so much ☺️
I wish the EDF games showed DPS stats, I end up just calculating them myself. DPS and DPS after reload are so nice stats and they would make many fights with Erginus/bosses/tanky enemies/etc easier if people actually used their highest dmg guns, and it's not a bad stat just in general against regular enemies either.
Yes but then I would be out of work hehe
Actually it is possible to calculate DPS via ui, by extension. What I mean is, if you look at how "Smart Hunter", a mod for Monster Hunter World works, you can see it is possible to make an identical app run while EDF 5 is running.
If Mr Lysander were alive, he would soil his shorts in his grave. If anyone were alive in a grave I imagine they would also soil their shorts. Great vid though.
Lol I thought it didn't make sense when I said it
2 insanely good combos for Ranger:
Slade + Lysander ZF: Absolutely destroys all the Frog and Ravager variants, you shoot the sniper, then while it cooldowns, you shoot the slade, practice with it and you can kill THE ENTIRE MAP WITHOUT TAKING DAMAGE.
Fracture + Lysander ZF: ONLY GODS USE THIS. Completely disintegrate anything that is in a 100m range, combo both weapons while they cooldown, 1 sniper, 2 shotgun shots.
Cool
Big brain
I'd love to see a Wing Diver version of this!
Do you use the MR100 Fang on dlc 2 inferno? I love everything about that weapon. The way it looks, the over 13000 damage, the range… except the 4.5 second reload lol. What other weapons do you prefer I use with it? Because I can’t seem to part from it lol. And I don’t wanna use the Lysander ZF.
The Monsoon shotgun hands down were my shotgun of choice in the cheese Ball enemy mission farms. In parking garage and waterfalll.
I don’t remember if Monsoon was my best Shotgun at the time but I do know I liked how fast and it fired and the quicker reload
I would give the Blazer 10/10, unless you just can't stand the reload time. Normally, that reload time would be a problem for me with most other weapons, but with the crazy power and 999 magazine, I find that the area surrounding me is nearly always cleared of enemies, giving me plenty of time to reload. It excels at killing almost every enemy type in the game. The range (seriously, this thing is a freaking assault rifle?) renders the sniper rifle category obsolete. The power combined with the ridiculous versatility in my opinion makes the Blazer the most overpowered weapon in the game, or at least one of them.
The Buster Shot simply obliterates whatever poor enemy that took a face full of it. Shreds even Erginus and Archelus in no time (absolutely the best weapon for the Ranger to use against). However, I have had a lot of problems with the exploding flechettes hitting me or my teammates, in good part because they don't explode right away. I might knock the Buster Shot down to 9/10 for that. Maybe it's just a L2P issue though. I find myself using Fracture most of the time instead because I'm too afraid of friendly fire against my teammates. Fracture is wonderful!
I never really see any reason to use a rocket launcher, unfortunately. Sniper rifles? See: Blazer. Grenades? Just awful.
The Falcon, MEX5 (if you don't have the Falcon), and MLRA-TF are all terrific. The Prominence is a cool weapon, but almost never good to take. It needs a big damage boost in order to be what it's meant to be.
Grenade launchers. If I need AOE damage, the Stampede XAM is what I pick up! On some (not all!) underground missions though, I'm probably going to use a shotgun instead. The other grenade launchers are meh, like the rocket launchers.
"Miscellaneous" weapons. The Firecracker 0 is fun, and has uses! The C70 bomb is great if you know how and when to use it. The Impulse mines are pretty bad, but are kinda fun. The Flame Geyser and Napalm both have niche usefulness (Flame Geyser was MVP for me when farming Ranger weapons on DLC1 mission 11). The acid guns and flamethrowers are fine, but overshadowed by assault rifles and shotguns. The Bound guns frequently pepper you and your teammates with ricocheting pellets, yet are not powerful enough to be of use. The Reverse Shooter X is great when you don't need a second weapon, and it can save your team from mission failure. It is especially useful on the final mission!
Great video! Just thought I'd give my opinion on usefulness! Looking forward to your videos on the DPS of the other classes!
Thank you! For the Blazer, I think I gave it a 9 out of ten because it doesn't penetrate through targets and can be tough to use as your main defense if you never have a break in the action but I can see a 10 out of 10 for it being a good choice as well.
I bet the Wing Diver’s phalanx will be at the top cause it shoots really fast and can take down a war barga in 1 clip. I think even a strike barga if I remember correctly
That weapon is broken lol
In DLC02 Mission 11, I can beat that on inferno solo in exactly 5 minutes using nothing but Phalanx ZAT (not even fully leveled up!) (That mission is nothing but Erginus and those King Koopas)
While the MGs are weaker than shotguns, they do stun the shit out of enemies a lot better. Great against the unarmored humanoid enemies. You might want something else to strip of the armor tho.
I rarely like video’s but this one I must like because... embarrassing as it may be I’ll be spending hours now just to calculate every weapon that I have and place them in my notes. Also... you’re meaning to tell me that the best weapons that I have pales in comparison to DLC?! I really need to get it then. Also does your DPS solution work for all other classes or no?
Bonus question: How do you calculate air raids?
It will be more tricky to calculate air raider, I'm not sure how I will tackle it quite yet.
KevinEDF ahhh I see, well good luck with that man and keep up the good work
Praise!!!!
when are u making an air raider/fencer tier list? these are very informative
Should be soon
@@KevinEDF Great, I too am looking forward to the conclusion (Air Raider DPS). Though I understand you've got your hands full with the move and so on.
Thanks I'll find a way to do an air raider list
MLRA on top again
Dear Kevin would you please put weapon lvl on the last list. I could not found D110 other than shotgun lvl 80 D110 Breacher
That is the correct shotgun, level 80. Sorry about that, is there any other weapons you would like the level on?
@@KevinEDF thank you for the reply. The idea of putting "weapon lvl" is easier to search.
@@applemania7028 yes, I should do this in the future, thank you
Yo let's do some missions brother!!👌
Nice, I uploaded video of shotguns (highest level) last night, I tested on silver spider, go check it out if you want, almost max out both Buster Shot and Monsoon MZ.
Very nice
"Bound Gun"
I have a feeling this is a mistranslation and should really be called "Bounce gun" since that's literally what they do, guns that shoot bouncing bullets.
Yeah lol
Where is my Dunkel bro? We’ve missed you!
Are you taking range/fall-off/canceling frames/etc into account, or is everything you're giving here stat wise just being assumed as "under optimal conditions"?
I wouldn't even want to guesstimate the DPS on anything with a spread or odd/interesting bullet pattern...
Rule of thumb, "set the bar a tad bit low and you'll usually wind up pleasantly surprised."
This is just optimal conditions so that is why I felt it necessary to give a practical rating as well. I have made "best weapons" videos in the past for each class
could care less what happens to Barga... Balam wanna be... killed turtle much faster by prodding it with gunship call ins