What’s west of Westeros?
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In Game of Thrones Season 6, Arya Stark asks "what's west of Westeros?" In the new book Fire & Blood, we learn the story of Elissa Farman...
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Images from The World of Ice and Fire used with permission from Random House.
Meraxes art by Chase Stone, dragon art by Jordi Gonzalez, Asshai art by Marco Iozzi
Corlys Velaryon art by Eve Ventrue
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0:00 West of Westeros
0:54 Elissa
2:45 Eggs
4:15 Sun Chaser
5:40 Voyage
7:05 Vanished
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What’s west of Westeros? A spin off series.
Prophet?
@@sadjupiter9462 Eh, all the spinoffs are prequels. I would actually like for them to go with a contemporary series in Yi Ti and Asshai and the Grey Wastes and the Five Forts, fighting their own demons.
you wish ...
@@Eshanas Not all...
Everywhere you look, everywhere you are!
"What's west of Westeros?"
"Easteros."
@Alexey Baal "Aryanos" 😂😂
And the people there are called... wait for it... Aryans! 😅
should be named thanos
LOL³³, excelent!
"What's East of Easteros?"
"Eastereros."
I literally came here to comment that
"What's west of Westeros?"
Idk just ask bran, he's right there.
True true.
@@they_are_everywhere his powers pertain to green seeing warging and weirwood vision he wouldn't know Cuz the ravens he could send would die
@@karengarcia1373 thats true. I didnt think of that
@@karengarcia1373 Fish?
@@rjofusetsudzin8011 oh shit, ur right the greyjoy wargs could
Arya ends up ship wrecked in a mysterious land. Wakes up hours later:
"Hey you, you're finally awake."
And she woke up by the sound “ you were trying to cross the border didn’t you?”
@Yowatsapp 05 Skyrim reference lol
Or many to lotr map
some Skellige man wakes her up on Ard Skellige
Karpou “a very few people have done it and you are the second woman to do it “
“But, it turned out - shockingly - that the Lannisters were scheming”
LOL
I wish he explained that a little more. What were they scheming for?
Jaymmin I don’t know, but it’s all in Fire and Blood, GRRM’s new book.
The Lannister lord tried to buy/steal dragon eggs from Rhaena.
@@mementobox Rhaena Targaryen and Elissa Farman were crashing at Casterly Rock for months and Lord and Lady Lannister thought they could get a dragon for their "hospitality."
I came here to comment this, but knew in my heart it already had been said.
Well that was certainly a more accurate prediction in the thumbnail than any of us would’ve thought
Carson Rodriguez right??
OMG yes! And I happened to see this video a few days before the episode. Right in time!
Anna Kelly same here
Not exactly a prediction since she said she wanted to in season 6
@Bill Anderson Not actually, she said he wanted and not everyone get to fulfill their wants. It was way more history wise obvious that she would die killing Cersei.
In hindsight I love how basically every important woman with an unknown fate is theorized to be Quaithe
Similar to how think every man I see is my father who went to buy milk and never returned
*I
@@smartsmartie7142that must make dating awkward.
Theory: What’s west of Westeros is a “Ring of Fire” type situation with dozens of volcanoes, including at least one large supervolcano.
Not only does this explain some of the descriptions (walls of fire and black smoke) and why there are descriptions of paradise islands (volcanic soil is incredibly fertile after all), but it would actually explain the super long winters. They’re actually volcanic winters being caused by supervolcanic eruptions.
That's actually the coolest theory on the whole 'long, sporadic Winters' dilemma I've ever read. Nice one!
So… Hawaii
That's so cool and smart
nice, could be
That would also go a ways to explain why only the far north of Westeros and the far east of Essos in the Grey Wastes are effected the worst during the winters, both having similar tales of a Long Night esq event, meanwhile central Essos was mostly unaffected by it.
THIS VID IS GUNNA GET SERIOUS VIEWS NOW
Yup, I saw this video a few months ago and I came back after yesterday's episode cause I forgot the name of the girl who went to the west...Elissa Farman, i'll try to not forget from now on.
Yep recommended after last episode
Its confirmed guys. The west of westeros is Middle-Earth
Ezra Sitompul that’d be so fookin cool
Then even farther is Easteros
Or maybe America
that be a cool theory since the land far east of middle earth is called land of the sun
Could be a possibility, afterall Martin is highly influenced by Tolkein.
me: I wanna know what is west of Westeros
Alt Shift X: What about a lesbian love story? plus Daenerys' eggs origin theory.
me: Keep going...
first comment
Me too
Arya is not a lesbian.
@@Ready-ForTheEnd bruh did you even watch the video 😂
Reading more about it, Rhaena and Elissa were the worst
Arya : We are family we must protect each other and be there for one another
Also Arya : Frick my family , I'm off to West of Westeros
well what's the point. They have Bran.
Season 8 gonna be good, they said....
Legend has it a mysterious creature lurks on the other side of the Sunset sea. Most are unsure of its name but there are murmurs of this fell beast being known as a "Florida Man".
Its not legend its true! Because..... Oh hell its all purely fiction and has no weight in reality so why not have the crazy Florida Man be the mysterious beast lol.
When you thought Night King was dangerous, Florid Man suddenly appears from the sea.
Nice
Amazing 😂😂
I see what you did there, nice
The idea that Dany's dragons were from her ancestor's own dragons really brings it full circle as opposed to the eggs being wild caught.
Israel Salgado the dragons became weak because of captivity, they couldnt roam freely in westeros after it was conquered
@@antonioakiki3716 I always bought into the theory that the maesters slowly poisoned the dragons and that's why they grew to be so weak.
@Israel Salgado
they were born the same time but drogon was the largest because it was always free. The time they lived in captivity they stopped growing or grew slower, that was why drogon grew larger
@@antonioakiki3716 it's also becuase Drogon is just cool, you know? LOL
Pretty sure since Dany's dragons were removed from Westeros, they didn't devolve in the same way the rest of the dragons did.
Elisa Farman is probably the most cool and interesting background character in the series, she explored the world, discovered new lands, fought pirates and stole from dragon lords( and stole the hearth of a Dragon queen).
She might have even seen ashai and the shadowlands and fought a kraken in a storm.
Like holy cow calm down lady you can’t just be that cool.
I agree but also raise you for your consideration Queen Racallio the crazy ass pirate King of the Narrow Sea
Yeah she’s cool and all when I first read about her but now I’m kind of sick to death of the plucky tomboyish #girlbosses that are SO in style now.
Give me the compelling scheming unlikable Cersei or Barbrey types any day.
agreed, interesting character
She is a traitor and also represent fake feminism and thinks she is best😅
The supposed “paradise” across the Sunset Sea is definitely a reference to Tolkien.
At the end of the book series, I imagine at least a couple characters taking a ship into the west. Frodo’s experiences in the war of the ring broke him, and traumatized him, and so he sailed into the west to the Undying Lands.
Arya might sail into the west in the books like she did in the show, provided that the ending is from GRRM’s notes. She may not have anywhere else where she feels like she can go. She may abandon Nymeria, and her pack, convinced that she deserves to be alone. Although I hope she’ll get a happier ending.
I think Asha and Theon (provided they survive the story) are better candidates for sailing into the west. Theon’s trauma under Ramsay makes him thematically resonate with Frodo, at least a slight bit. Asha may similarly want to get away from it all.
I frankly love the idea of Asha and Theon doing this. They’re siblings that never really got to grow up together. They’ve both lived through a lot of crazy times, which I think we all know is exhausting. And so they sail into the west, getting away from it all and making up for their lost childhood together. Never to return.
It's so hard to believe how a single guy came up with such complex characters and such interesting and intersecting timelines and stories. GRR Martin is really a genius.
Then think about the guys writing legends, myths and holy books. That is a real genius.
@@karakas9905 Those usually weren't made by a single person alone. It's usually a distillation of multiple experiences.
Well, he's been writing and thinking about it for almost 30 years now :p impressive indeed but also fair given the time
A lot of the lore is just a parallel of human history from the perspective of Europeans. Still impressive as hell, but it's not like GRR Martin made up this stuff from thin air.
Drugs
To summarize all ASoIaF theories: everyone is Quaithe.
Or Daario.
Or Jaq'en H'gar
Or Azor Ahai
Or a secret Targ.
Yep Thats sums it up
Me, an intellectual : wHaTs EaSt Of EsSos???
Ulthos????
Straya
@@maozedong7536 na ulthos is more like South West of Westeros and Directly below Asshai which is in Essos hence East of Essos is also as much of a mystery as west of Westeros
The same thing that's west of westeros, maybe
More fucking essos
We can make a rough estimate of the size of the world given its gravity and the fact that it seems to have similar geology to our own. That and the weather along the west coast of Westeros tell us that there's another significantly sized land mass out there. Were there not, the wind speeds hitting that coast would be terrifying.
No, their world seems much bigger then ours, and air should be thicker for dragons be able to fly
Alt Shift X is the Three Eyed Raven confirmed.
The video description literally said Arya asked that in season 6...
Yea, maybe he is....still wouldn’t put him on the throne though just because he was an encyclopedia; especially if he foresaw the burning of over a million innocent people coming and didn’t bother to do anything about it... (some really useful rulership material right there)
Nah. If he would be the 3ER he would be useless. But he isnt.
so....Alt Shift X is king of Westeros? I'm okay with that. Very okay with that actually.
lol
This depth to GOT world almost explains why it takes GRRM a millennia to finish a book.
Almost
no george is just lazy
George definitely has help for fine tuning all the small details to make sure they are right. There's no way he could do it himself
Carlos Soto really I mean it’s not like he’s righting a normal story. He’s writing 35 novellas
@@cosmonawt_ I watched an interview where he talks about the people he works with. He has people to ring up if he forgets things like whats on a banner etc
Its just the east coast of essos, funnily enough, we havent seen that either so we dont know how big the sunset sea or essos actually is. Whatever damaged and caused the high radiation in the east might explain the constant storms in the sunset sea. Probably a meteorite. Perhaps the one the bloodstone emperor worshipped when it fell. The one that supposedly caused the long night. Constant darkness being another side effect of a meteorite strike.
but there's probably another continent (the America's version of this world) before you reach the east coast of Essos. as the world of asoiaf is like parallel to the real world. there's still a lot of unexplored and undiscovered places.
how does a meteorite strike explain high radiation and constant storms? neither are side effects of a meteorite strike
thanks, good memory for details.
@@hisdivineshadow8263 idk and I don’t care about asoiaf anymore.
@@keelobrown4991off your xannies again ? Better get back to work or else they will need a new McDonalds sandwich maker
Hands down the best AD-transition ive seen so far. Simply brilliant.
I rarely support theories, but this Quaithe = Elissa thing is quite interesting
Even if it isn't true, maybe the ship seen in Asshai was Elissas and Quathe knows what happened.
It's more likely that Quaithe is Sheira Seastar or Ashara Dayne than Elissa.
I don't support the Seastar theory
Ashara Dayne lul
Probably this isn't true either (or maybe, because there is some crazy shit happening around Quaithe for sure) but it sounds the most interesting out of these 3 for me
@@GergoKovacs24 Farman being cooler than Seastar or Ashara? Get out of here.
Let's just agree to disagree.
@@williamkrause5831 Yes, In my opnion, it's more interesting. The Ashara one makes little to no sense, and I prefer this Elissa theory between her and Seastar
D&D watched this trying to figure out how to end Arya’s story.
Must've been literally the only Alt Shift X video they saw then.....
Should have kept watching more.
The structure of your videos are all so brilliantly done, I love all the detail and thought
Thank you!
I think ive watched every GoT video on this channel at least 3 times each.Will never get old
You make game of thrones even more fascinating than just watching or reading it
It's because reading only facts is far more entertaining than books where you get a lot of filler.
El Matador true, thats why I recommend you all to read The World of Ice and Fire book, only facts
Watching is awesome but reading is all out time consuming, and it provides you new levels of imaginations to share to the world.
When the sailor found Sun Chaser in Ashai my heart literally started going faster.
This video is about to become REALLY relevant.
vvery yes.
You’re right!! Damn! This video popped in the head as soon as Arya said she’s gonna set sail!
@@sadjupiter9462 yep hahahaha
how did u know about last episode lol
How tf did u know? XD
with House of the Dragon up and running I've dived back into the book series and such and this channel has been such a cool find between the artwork and theories and such and love that it mainly focuses on the books and not the show since the books have so much more detail and content to consider and spend time on.
I know we are waiting, but there are so many details. I hope he takes his time and prioritizes his and everyone's health as #1.
Ever realized that the new islands kinda represents Indonesia? It has rare spices, a dragon fruit (which is pink), and huge lizard that can't be found anywhere but there (komodo dragon). In addition it kinda fits the map.
Yes, but it would mean there's no American Continent. My guess is those islands were Cuba, Puerto Rico and Dominic republic?
But Indonesia is in asia which parallel the eastern part of essos and if Westeros is Britain that means going west is going to America.
Dragon fruit is from Central America, though.
Come on. Does it really have to represent something in the real world? 😂
Besides, she only founded 3 islands which she named them all meanwhile Indonesia has more than 17 thousands of islands.
Hadeeeh
"Circum-navigating the globe without modern technology requires a lot of math."
I see where this is going.
"The ancient Greeks calculated the size of the Earth, and Colombus knew the world was round. Maybe Elissa did too."
Oh, maybe this is just part of the vid-
"Maybe they used Brilliant!"
THERE IT IS!
@iury1986 definitely, him and real life lore and incredibly smooth with ads
@@Sekaisien a fellow tier zoo viewer
Bruh I was on my way down here to type this comment.
Earth is flat and stationary.
YOU NOW KNOW the Grand Round Earth Conspiracy
I remember reading about Elissa and the eggs in Blood and Fire and was happy I had an answer to where Dany got her dragon eggs. It’s pretty damn definitive to me lol.
Really enjoy how you include the sponsors in the video, the brilliant one was...brilliant 👍
Elissa Farman's story would make a great spinoff show. It could even end with an open ending so that we never truly get to find out her end, but we get to see her adventures in the West.
Felicia Larsen lamw
yes please I want gay ocean explorers and dragons and strange new lands.
It may end with Illyrio buying the eggs hundreds of years later
If there were to be a one fo the spinoff series to be centered around Elissa Farman, then let's hope we get to see what happened to her, and not leave it vague ending?
@@Brandonhayhew leaving it open ended lets people have their own interpretation of the story. Letting people know what REALLY happened to her in the end kind of gives away too many plot points. Having an open ending could let people theorise that she might actually BE Quaithe, bad not just telling us outright that she is or isn't. Or the dragon eggs, I personally don't really want to know if these are the same eggs as the ones in the show, it would best be left the shadows and let people speculate. This like these are kind of why the books are so good, mysteries that hint towards something but either the author doesn't want us to find out yet or even at all.
This video aged very well. (Finale)
It aged better than the show did itself.
It’s insane how deep and complex this lore is. It just blows me away.
Your segue into the ads is just stunning lol I love them.
Anyone else freak out when Arya asked “what’s west of Westeros?” I was like MY GIRL ELISSA
Alt Shift X never disappoints
Except for the multitude of time the disappointed in predictions. Not their fault, I blame the show
Holy crap so the thumbnail aged well
I knew the Brilliant ad segment was coming, but damn I didn't expect the transition to be that smooth! Good job lol
Anyways, the theory where Elisse turned into an Asshai sorceress is incredibly interesting.
I LOVE THIS VID i'm so obsessed w the world of ice and fire and omg WAS SO ESPECIALLY THRILLED 05:20 that's literally a painting of the oxbow marina of the ct river in massachusetts by thomas cole from mount holyoke summit house THIS IS MY HOMETOWN nah i'm literally over the moon right now this is so freakin cool i know it's probably just a random image selected BUT WHAT ARE THE ODDS i'm so happy i could cry thank you so much for this made my entire year
Oh man.. coming back from the finale
Thumbnail of subject with Arya in it: "Meh".
S08E06 with Arya's conclusion to become a sailor: "Congratulations, you're a prophet".
Hard to be a prophet when it's something that the character stated in the previous seasons.
"I'm a survivor"
That is the BEST segue to a sponsor segment I have EVER seen.
Hell of a Segway. Big fan and subscriber! Thank you for all the videos I tried to read the books. Not quite the best reader, your videos have helped me through so many chapters. Great voice and recording. I can’t say enough but i am very thankful for the work you do. I’d wear some merch if you had some
store.nebula.tv/collections/altshiftx 😉
Spin-off show of arya traveling west, having adventures on the way, im sold
just something with arya idc
Yes! With Sandor and Gendry
No one knows what's west of westeros ;-)
Alex Eha imagine how it feels to me
@@IHaveTheShanks it's not happening
After your last video about the East and learning how the Easterlings had their own ice zombie problems, and after watching this I'm pretty convinced that far to the north, beyond the Lands of Always Winter, there is a sort of Bering Land Bridge that connects Essos and Westeros, and that the White Walkers originate from somewhere around there.
Secrets of the citadel did a video on just that very topic "The east west connection" it's one of myu favs. Go check it out
GRRM said they aren't connected though
@@sangbum60090 Well maybe there is no bridge, but you can still sail thru
Beyond the North, there is a new world then Westeros and Far East Essos.
@@sangbum60090 Probably not physically but there definitely is a connection. Maybe symbolic, metaphoric, magic or metaphysical.
Your videos are so fantastic, I get lost in them!
5:15 sundering rivers and plain, the Great Plains, green islands, tropical islands, golden cities, el darado. These might be prophetic words, they seem to match up.
Those 3 islands might be a representation of the Caribbean
Then would Elissa represent Columbus?
Or the Comodos Islands.
Indonesia more like.
They'll all be jammin while smoking some magic herbs
@@qualmie7105
Columbus had three ships too. And I think one of his ships sank so the theory that two ships survived would make be an interesting parallel to reality.
The most interesting part of this is that Farman thought the world was larger than those who studied such things and specifically wanted to find new lands, which is the exact opposite of Columbus who thought it was smaller than those who studied such things and hoped to find the already known lands of the far east.
Lensy6
Yep. Elissa was smarter than Columbus (or would have been had she not been fictional).
@@Raisa-gb4fh The problem with Columbus is that he is often portrayed as stupid and murderous Psychopath. Yes the diameter of the World was know - in Ancient Greece - there was a lot knowledge lost, and in the 50 years preceding the Columbus expedition there was a lot of debate concerning size of the world and it's shape (though there were no flat-earthers thankfully). Most of what we know about Columbus comes from his successor in America - the one who started Slave trade (records show it was him, couple years after Columbus death), but since it was even then seen as something meh..., he wrote in his diaries, that Columbus started it. Was Mr. C Good man? No, (although he was jailed for punishing Spanish subjects for raping Native American Women, he was against it), but he's also not a BAD villain as often now portrayed. And since practically every source on him has an agenda (was written by his opponents, or translated into English, by person who wanted to vilify Spanish, so he "mistranslated"), he is portrayed as THE EVIL. There was no knowledge of Bacteria in 15th Century, he couldn't predict that a Genocide will happen, because the Natives weren't immune to smallpox etc. If it was now it would be a Crime, but then it was tragic turn of events. And he did have a very harsh stance on raping/killing Natives, and was punished for it. I suggest watching: czcams.com/video/ZEw8c6TmzGg/video.html Very interesting.
@@alanpennie8013 It's very easy to make fictional fantasy characters smarter than real life people, because, you know.... you can just write whatever you want.
Arya : The Starks have to stay together, always and forever.
Also Ayra in the last episode: I'm leaving and never ever coming back, later nerds.
I think the actor Maisie Williams is the most likely to come back to the GOT universe. The Arya character has still got a lot of development potential with her Faceless man skills and Stark personality. Maybe it will happen.
"maybe Elissa used Brilliant"... Well that was a brilliant way to introduce the sponsor
It's reassuring to see that I'm not the only one completely obsessed with the geography of Westeros. It's almost infuriating knowing that Martin will never explore beyong the West into the Sunset Sea, or that we'll never get proper, written exploration of Sothoryos, or what's East of the Jade Sea.
Haha, I am also so obsessed with it! (For me It is way more interesting than our world) When I could ask GRRM one question about his world, then I would definitely ask „What is west of Westeros“ idk, it is maybe the most interesting question in the world of ice and fire…
Or the continent of Ulthos.
That theory about the 3 dragon eggs that Dany ended up gettin back centuries later just blew my mind! Lol that really is thee beat theory of a song of ice and fire hands down
how it serves no purpose to the story
Best segue into a sponsor. Props friend, props
The ending of Arya's arc is just like the end of Maisie's character's arc on Dr. Who - Where she goes off exploring time and space in a Tardis with TV's Queen Victoria.
With me.
Well. You nailed that prediction for Arya.
Ooooh that was a great segue into the sponsor. Well done.
When Arya Stark decided to travel West of Westeros, she faced violent waters for months and a big storm finally destroyed her ship and all her crew. She survived but suffered amnesia and washed ashore on the edge of what looks like dry wastelands. As a Stark, her instincts told her to travel across the land to reach north and did everything she could to survive until that fateful day she reached the border of the northern lands and got captured by the country's imperials along with a group of soldiers. She woke up to a voice saying "You're finally awake..." Thus, the story of Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim begins. West of Westeros is Tamriel. Just kidding, I'm bored xD
lmao
OH GODDAMNIT TODD HOWARD!
"xDDDDDDD"
He can't keep getting away with it! *He can't keep getting away with it!!!*
The far west sounds so much like Indonesia, with it’s komodo dragon, unusual spices and pink fruits (such as the pink guava or.. dragon fruits, even!
9:38 solid ad transition lmao
There’s one other possibility: The Shadowlands. Since GRRM confirmed the world is round, and the Shadowlands are the furthest east, then that would also make them the furthest west. Now remember, even the shadowbinders of Asshai fear the Shadowlands. For anyone traveling west, whatever horror lurks there would be the first thing they see.
Woah, finally a viable Quaithe theory!👌 Ashare=Quaithe sounded unbelievable, while Shiera=Quaithe was just a bit better although still forced. But Elissa has an actual memory to those eggs and therefore she could have been emotionally involved in their fate if not fore something else, then for bad consciousness. Quaithe's cryptic geography poem would also make more sense form Elissa's mouth.
I like the Syria Forel = Quaithe.
The Ned = Quaithe is not as nice.
Mel = Quaithe in a parallell universe is also interesting.
The 13th lord Commanders wife = Quaithe have its benefits aswell.
Apart from the more obvious ones like.
Visenya = Quaithe.
Varys mother = Quaithe
Tyrions mother = Quaithe.
9:38.... I almost believed Elissa Farman used Brilliant XD hahahahahaha.
*When you realize game of thrones just replicated the real world map with minor changes*
Tolkien: That’s my boy!
The way this man leads into a plug for an ad at the end of the video is unmatched lol
I would love to see a spin-off series taking place in both the present (starting with Arya sailing to west) and the past (the story of Elissa). I think it’d connect the missing dots. Great video btw!
Columbus
Elissa is another name of Dido, who fled Phoenicia by boat and founded Carthage.
dude the last theory about Quaithe might be Elissa was so interesting it gave me goosebumps
The Oxbow painting from Thomas Cole was a nice touch
Nah Arya navigated Gendry last week.
This is the best comment on youtube
Really love how you put out there that Elissa might be Quaithe... and then follow up that she was just probably was lost at sea. Great speculation without unnecessary hype. One of your best videos
"Maybe Elissa Farman used BRILLIANT" ... What a segue! Well done!
3:20 i have never heard anyone say " lost their shit " so calmly
As much as I like your content, I really doubt your theory that Elissa had used “Brilliant”. There is little evidence in the books that nations of the GoT had developed computer technology, much less internet. Especially Elissa, so far in world’s past. This is a very far fetched idea. I mean, think about it - they still used swords, and crossbows. A ballista is treated as some sort of mechanical marvel. Their development is still not sufficient for that kind of tech.
lmao
Who knows? Maybe there is a cult of Technomancers somewhere in the East.
Let's see you build a ballista.
consider the possibility that the Game of Thrones reality is in some way related (even if very, very remotely, as in on the very, outer fringe of a distant chance) to GRRM previous works in his Thousand World series... if you've not read or heard any of the short audio books i would highly recommend them, especially the Tuf Voyaging arc of books...a lot of the same imagery appears throughout these works if you know how to spot them
Clearly you are no a fan of Got. Otherwise you would have realised that the glass candles are in fact Web Browsers and the worlds was waiting for dragons to be reborn to rekindle magic in the world,aka wifi.
But there were plenty of dragons in Elissa's time so I think they had a good connection back then.
@@error2k2 Nono. The sorcerers of Asshai see the future, and some speculate that they also see parallel universes (like ours) in the flames and Elissa was secretly a red pirestess and she got a glimpse of Brilliant's lectures and found out about some geography related stuff
Golden cities on a unknown continent west of Westeros. Sounds familiar
*reading title
"That seems interesting. Wanna know whats there"
*after hearing everything about elissa and quaithe
"Jo holy sh**"
One of the most interesting worlds ever written and we will possibly only ever scratch the surface.
What’s west of Westeros?
White shores, and beyond, a far green country under a swift sunrise.
great lotr reference ;)
Beautiful, spacious skies and amber waves of grain. Purple mountains' majesties above the fruited plains.
...That isn't so bad
@@free322001 no... no it isn't
Wouldn't that be a shock crossover. At the end of A Song of Ice and Fire a load of elves turn up with a couple of hobbits and a grey Wizard.
"Sailing into the sunset" doesn't sound like a euphemism for dying.
ManhandsTV Sunsets have always been a metaphor for an “ending” or a “finish” of sorts
“Dawns” on the opposites are used to portray beginnings...
@@wokegod007 Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end.
The practical problem with doing something like that - is that you have to not only have enough food - but - enough fruits and such to keep from getting Scurvy - the bane of ancient sailors here on Earth. They could carry enough food - but - not enough fruits and such to avoid getting Scurvy.
Here also - "enough" food is enough to go on _and_ back. Once you get down to half the food you carried - your crew, intent on not starving to death - is going to want to start back to where they know they can get food from.
Now - the people on Earth who licked that - were the Pacific Islanders and their boats - who could live off the Ocean. They could fish for food. I don't know enough about Scurvy to say but they seem to have beat that as well.
For guidance - they'd follow birds - as they knew that if they saw birds - the birds came from or were going to land. Thus they may have been guided from Island to Island by the birds making the trip.
There is speculation, based on pottery - that people crossed the Pacific this way and settled in South America where (iirc) there is supposed to be DNA evidence of a link to Asia.
In any case - these were the people who settled the Pacific Islands. They got there some how.
The thing with all of this though - is that it wasn't just one person convincing some others to choose to take a few ships and strike out into the unknown with them. The real Age of Exploration - was sponsored by the governments of nations - as Columbus was sponsored by the King and Queen of Spain. Thus - they had the resources of a nation behind them - and - there were repeated expeditions sent out over decades, gradually expanding the knowledge of the nations they came from.
One factor in this - was that their ships needed to be maintained. Thus - the Colony At the Cape of Good Hope on the tip of Africa the Dutch founded and the British took over. The Dutch intentionally founded a colony there of people who would raise animals and grow food, while having a good harbor ships half way to the Spice Islands to the East - could stop and fix whatever had broken on their ships on the way down. Then - when they were ready - they could go on, stopping again on the way back. Further Colonies were Established in India and the Far East - which gave the ships support stations once they got to where they were going.
All of this network of harbors and bases was gradually built up over the years - and - the people creating this network were doing it to make money. The Dutch were hauling a fortune in spices back to Europe.
In contrast - you did have a few Viking Families that created settlements in Iceland, Greenland and Nova Scotia - but - there was nothing there but furs they could trade with the Natives and they already had firs back in Norway. So - while the Vikings did establish a few settlements in North America - they never amounted to much - and after a while were abandoned.
Columbus found Gold in the New World. That was something worth crossing the Ocean for.
Two little girls hundreds of years apart would be unlikely to establish anything. Each of them would go out ... and ... if they didn't come back with a reason for others to make the trip - no one would.
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Fun fact: the painting at 5:21 is a painting from the point of view of a mountain that overlooks a river. The painting was made in the 19th century, and is of land that would become my hometown
What is the name of the land?
What annoys me now is that Arya literally has Bran who can tell her if there is something west of Westeros and she doesn’t even ask! 😂😭
She doesn’t want spoilers LOL
Only if theirs a gods tree right
Because that means DnD should ask GRRM about that
Awesome video Alt! I owe so much to you, I never knew a speck of GoT/ASOIAF lore before coming across your channel, keep it up dude :D
Slurp, looking for a pin or heart are you?
Hey bro I'm a big fan don't ever stop doing what you're doing! I want to ask though, do you have any good recommendations for TV shows? I'm caught up on westworld, GoT and TWD lol
Actually you need to check out In Deep Geek. He has covered the world of Ice and Fire like no other. West of Westeros has been confirmed to be Asshai.
Christopher Columbus is the man who discovered America but he was not the best in mathematical.
Elissa Farman went west of westeros and found three island. Looking back at history, Ferdinand Magellan began an expedition to sail west of spain and found Philippines. Which is interesting because the Philippines is divided into three same as the three islands Farman found west.
that ad plug in was smooth.
Me, seeing this video: Damn ASX works fast
-> Realise it was 4 months ago
-> ASX is 3ER
he was already refering to Arya's dream in season 6 tho ... exactly what he said at the beginning of the video
@@leitto-corleone ya I'm joking, I dont really think hes the 3ER
Here's a question. You know that Eratosthenes guy? The Greek astronomer who accurately calculated the circumference of the Earth over 2000 years ago by measuring the shadow cast by the sun at two places many miles apart at the same time of the same day? Well through that he could accurately estimate the size of the Earth, just with patience and a large pole. So my question is... Have the Maesters done this? What did they find?
If they didn't do this, why not? It's amazingly easy to do, ignoring the long walk directly North you'd have to do.
If they *did* do this, why don't we know about it? Is there some secret that they want to keep hidden?
Oh my god... Did they discover the world of Ice and Fire was FLAT!?
exactly....technology and knowledge that we take for granted could have easily been lost for centuries only to be rediscovered by those determined to advance their own needs... ancient technology has been proven repeatedly not to have been nearly as primitive as first speculated
Well, George RR Martin himself confirmed that the ASOIAF world is round.
THIZZAVELI The ancient Greeks took their knowledge less from Africans (though the role of Egypt should not be discounted), but from the Societies in the Middle East and Asia Minor, as well as from the Minoans, who were an island civilization in the Mediterranean. Of course, those greeks were almost entirely wiped out, along with all of the other civilizations, by the "Sea Peoples". The (somewhat less than before) Ancient Greeks then had to rediscover all the knowledge lost, and eventually came to expand upon it. The world was brought beyond the state of the medieval dark ages, where alarmingly little knowledge was able to persist
When the Great Civilization falls, after being destroyed. They leaves behind technology and ruined empty buildings, artifacts for scholars to rediscover them.
THIZZAVELI Perhaps you are confusing "peaceful" for settled, agrarian. It seems as well that you misunderstand the timeline of the ancient civilizations in the area.
The Kushites of the area encompassing Ethiopia are the earliest solidly recorded in the region beyond Egyptian trade with cultures who did not themselves make records of their civilization. These were Egyptians who had moved south following the Bronze Age collapse.
Before them was a land referred to as Punt, which lacked the widespread domestication of animals that would indicate an advanced civilization. Similar to the Native American civilizations of the more recent past, they would likely have instead formed systems contemporary with their peers while picking up knowledge through their own trade with the bronze age societies.
I never knew all this so fascinating
I never heard this qaithe theory before but I LOVE it
Who cares about other Christmas presents when you've got an Alt Shift X video coming up the next day? So glad you've been uploading more here, even though I really enjoy the schwiftier side channel!
I’ll preface my comment by say that I do appreciate how George tries to keep with the reality of his world and how he gives us events in the most realistic way possible: through stories passed down. Now that that’s out of the way I have to say that sometimes, I wish he’d just tell us straight up what’s going on. Like, at this point can he PLEASE just tell us exactly what tf happened in these situations? I don’t wanna hear about whatever a maester may or may not have transcribed, I just need legit answers to my questions!! Anyone else feel this way sometimes?😭😂
Lmao that Thomas Cole // The Oxbow cameo at 5:23 had me laughing
I have a theory, my good friends! Are you ready? Here goes...
The world that Westeros is found on is a similar size to our earth because if it were a much bigger rocky planet than earth its gravity would be stronger, which would effect the way the humans in GoT move around. Certainly they would learn to move differently than us. Riding on horseback in full armour, for example, would be extremely difficult for horses to carry, and swinging swords and hammers around would be much harder.
Because the gravity in GoT is similar to earth's we can safely assume that its size is also similar. So the Sunset Sea shouldn't be any bigger than the Pacific at the most. If it's as big as the Pacific then it's likely that the other side of the Sunset Sea would reach the east coast of Essos, or whatever the mainland is called east of Westeros. But if the sea is smaller, say, the Atlantic, then there could be lands somewhere in the middle, which would still mean a ship would have to travel 1500 miles west before even getting halfway.
Since he likes to parallel world history, I'd say that Martin had her ship finish the journey without her, like Magellan.
There was a carthaginian ship that left harbour on the atlantic and many years later reapeared without a crew on the red sea.