Reacting to Star Trek TOS S3 Eps 3x03 "The Paradise Syndrome" & 3x04 "And The Children Shall Lead"
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0:00 Intro
0:29 The Paradise Syndrome
19:02 The Paradise Syndrome Review
24:09 And The Children Shall Lead
41:26 And The Children Shall Lead Review
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Spock *had* been under the children's influence, but he came to realize something was off and fought to regain control of himself while at the control panel on the bridge. That's when he grabbed Kirk and hustled him off the bridge.
The Paradise Syndrome has a special place in my heart because when I first watched Star Trek I was under the impression that I had seen them all. Then years later I came across this one and it was like “whoa, a new episode of Star Trek!”
So I am completely unable to judge its quality.
Shout out to child actor Pamelyn Ferdin (Mary) who was in a number of my favorite television programs growing up in the 70s and 80s.
An episode of 70's Saturday mornings SHAZAM. Space Academy as a regular.iI think a few episodes of The Streets of San Francisco. And the voice of Lucy Van Pelt in animated Charlie Brown shows and movies.
Pepperidge farm remembers....
Nomad and Sargon had a love child and it grew up to be the cloaking device.
The little girl, Pamelyn Ferdin, was one of the busiest child actors of the late 60's through the late 1970's. Pamelyn voiced Lucy in a couple of Charlie Brown shows. She and Brian Tochi would go on to star on a Saturday morning TV series, "Space Academy" with "Lost in Space" star Jonathan Harris.
You are correct, Craig Huxley played in both "Star Trek" episodes.
Saw an interview with Pamelyn who stated she LOVED William Shatner who charmed her as they pretended that they might get married some day.
@@georgemartin1436 She was also on Mannix and said that Mike Conners treated her, not as a child, but as another professional actor.
@@socalpaul487 She was a true professional and I think she was on every television series there was and I recognized her everywhere. Even her voice I instantly knew.
Yep, I caught that Nomad cameo.
The look on your face is priceless as you are thinking it through & saying, "We'll I guess that solved the child situation...which really, is messed up for me to say."😂😅
Lol yes! I could have said something much worse 😂
Yeah... alimony...child support. It's not like Kirk could just send miramoni a few credits every month. Kirk would have to figure out how to arrange visitations without violating The Prime Directive...yada yada yada...
That second one is very interesting, that's a recurring theme in Star Trek, trying to find ways to resist powerful aliens with ill intent! Loved the video. 🙂
about this Gorgan dude from the 2nd episode he's played by a lawyer "He was also the attorney for Jack Ruby, who shot Lee Harvey Oswald days after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy"
Tahiti syndrome was a big thing in 60s pop culture. Specially for those living in big cities and feeling trapped in 9 to 5 jobs.
*Regarding the Nomad cloaking device* - actually, that prop was "Sargonomad" - part Nomad, part Sargon. Imagine if Nomad merged with Sargon instead of Tahn Ru, the alien probe? Well, they did merge, and combined they became a Romulan cloaking device. Far out!
*Trivia:* When the Warp Engines burn out, Scotty cries, "My bairns, my pooor bairns." Wikipedia defines bairn as, 'Bairn is a Northern England English, Scottish English and Scots term for a child.'. Aww, Scotty just witnessed his babies die! Wow! Credit goes to James Doohan for that line, it surely was not in the script. He did that a few times in the show - like he curses in the 'Doomsday Machine' when he's at the Jeffries Tube trying to fix the short circuiting transporter to get Kirk back before the Constellation blows up inside the Planet Killer/Doomsday Machine. "Shluken Shlaken" it sounds like to me lol - Doohan said at some point he grumbled at that moment "Mutherrr eehffer!" in Scottish English.
*Special Trivia Bonus:* In 'By Any Other Name', Scotty gets the one Kelvin, and himself, smashed on booze. The bottle of "very very very oooold Scotch" he blows the dust off of, "ohhh, I was saving you for..." - yeh, that Scotch. The label, that can't be read during the scene, is for 'Wee Bairns Scotch'. That scotch makes other appearances, later in the Trek franchise such as DS9 for example. As a fan, you could get shots or a glass at 'Quark's Bar' at the Star Trek Experience in Las Vegas - and chase it down with Klingon Ale while eating some Moogie's Pasta - shame the amazing STE has been gone for a while now! (Sorry kids, ur born too late. Then again, there's two standing painstakingly accurate Enterprise sets built true to the original blueprints to visit - One in upstate NY and also another in Georgia I believe).
*Stupid Trivia:* Stupid because they hired one of the staff's lawyers to play the Gorgon dude... yes, you were not imagining his lack of acting skills...
*Regarding the Episode:* In another script, Kirk and or Bones are flapping their jaws about how "these people haven't advanced in thousands of years!!!!!!".
Dunt dunt dunnnnn!
Where Spock says something about them being happy and healthy and all that, like he did in 'The Apple'. Where Kirk and or Bones set out to break up that little paradise because, if humanoids don't have a stressful, screwed up never resolving society and culture, well than, screw that!
But, here, we get, "Ahhh, the Tahiti Syndrome.", Kirk laments.
And Hey! You called out a major hole in this plot - there is zero reason why they couldn't have left behind some crew to track down Kirk. In fact, it makes no sense whatsoever they did not - it's the Captain, fCs! It's not like they can't deflect the asteroid without everyone but Kirk, right? They could have left sooner, got there, deflected the thing without blowing up the Warp Drive, and returned a half hour later.
Dang. That kinda ruins the episode - suspension of disbelief, er, fan forgiveness, rather, saves it. ;)
I AM Kirok !
Looks like Miramanee put Salesh in the friend zone!! I remembered that classic line as a kid. "YOU BLEED KIROK!! Behold the God who BLEEDS!!" LOL. Thanks again for another great analytical review Courtney!! Looking forward to your next one!! 😊
You unlock this door key of knowledge. Knowing that the young daughter of the chief will never be yours....
Beyond that is the fact that your social station is not as high as it once was.....
You walk away from the stoning you caused wallowing in a deep depression as you realize that you've just been regulated into:
THE FRIEND ZONE
22:57 - "Did he ever tell his friends about the baby?" Well with the amount of medical scans that both Dr. McCoy and Nurse Chapel gave her as they were trying to stabilize her and give aid, they most certainly would have detected her pregnancy. Great reactions again!
You're a brilliant reactor love your mannerisms and your sense of humor
Spock says, "The asteroid has moved from here...to here." At that rate, it would be there in about a minute.
If you look carefully, the tribal elder is in the back of the "peaceful" Indians (as Spock called them) trying to keep them from throwing stones.
The Paradise Syndrome may have inspired by Rudyard Kipling's The Man Who Would be King
Never a good idea to leave a child just floating in the universe
I would love to see a darker version of "And the Children Shall Lead".
Oh, I'm pretty sure Kirk's got a number of kids out there.
Not necessarily. Even if he didn't practice safe sex, a woman can only become pregnant a few days out of the month.
@@stevejoshua9536 You do realize that not all the women he schtupped were human, right? And you can keep the little lecture about how our bodies work. Nobody likes a mansplainer, Sparky.
Well maybe he knocked up 'that pretty little blond lab technician ' that Gary Mitchell aimed his way.(Wink,wink) Remember Kirk yelled"I almost married her!" Was there a 'shotgun' involved?!?!
Yeah and girls can't get pregnant 'the first time'? To quote a little girl from the movie ET: Gimme a break....
And we have a word for discribing females who use the rhythm method to avoid pregancy
Pregnant
I have a soft spot for The Paradise Syndrome, even though it has some problems. Spock didn't leave people there because of the non-interference directive. Things could have gotten a lot worse with more people milling around.
The stones were obviously made of an exotic material that we know as styrofoam.
We love exotic materials over here 😂
"The Paradise Syndrome" was one of my sister's favorite episodes. As for episodes being predictable, to some extent, stories - like music - want you to engage in prediction. They want the audience to guess where things are going. That's part of the buy-in, the investment process. They want you to predict some things accurately, and then surprise you with others. The same with music. Music without predictability is just ... noise. Music that is totally predictable is boring. Same with storytelling. As for the second episode, evil does indeed enlist the aid of those who don't fully understand the nature of it or the consequences. We see this repeatedly in human affairs, and so many examples at the current time.
Prophetic as hell!
Did the indigenous peoples of North America have elastic? Hmmm...
Growing up, I always had a real soft spot for Miramanee. And living in a former Spanish colony, I saw the word "Miramonte" a lot. Not having seen subtitles or imdb until much later, I thought that was her name.
Speaking of confusing names, "Salish", the name of the antagonist, also identifies a language and several groups of indigenous peoples located in Washington state and British Columbia.
Looks like the Enterprise needs to be rescued to have its warp engine replaced AGAIN. It happened at least 3 times in season 1. (They were damaged beyond repair in "Where No Man Has Gone Before", imploded in "The Naked Time", and buckled in "Tomorrow is Yesterday".) No wonder Scotty was frustrated!
"And the Children Shall Lead" is one of my least favorite episodes, and like with so many other viewers it's due to the bratlings. And when they finally draw out the villain, he's a LAWYER! Melvin Belli represented Jack Ruby, who killed Lee Harvey Oswald (who was accused of killing JFK), and he was one of the lawyers (along with F. Lee Bailey) with whom the Zodiac killer of San Francisco demanded to speak over telephone and radio. He's also well known for representing consumers suing corporations in some high profile cases and is responsible for some fundamental concepts in consumer law.
Pocahontas is a real historical figure, as was John Smith. Colonial America.
We can say that Miramanee may have been as important to Kirk as Edith, but Kirk wasn't Kirk. He was Kirok. In a sense, Miramanee and Kirok died the same day.
I was surprised many decades ago when I found out that the Gorgon was played by famous attorney Melvin Belli. He represented Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby; the guy who killed President Kennedy's assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald. I wish they would make the kids' chant to summon the Gorgon a ringtone: "Hail Hail Fire and Snow..."
Not too tech savvy. You totally can. Just digitize it and send it to your phone. Someone out there email that person the sound clip.
Yup! Nomad was cloaking device, it shows up in one more episode, looking much more like Nomad. Enjoyed these 2 episode reactions Courtney.
I will definitely be on the lookout! Thanks for watching and commenting as always 😁 I appreciate the support!
@@CourtReacts-zm9yv 🙂
1. Sargon + Nomad = Cloaking device. 2. Nomad + spaghetti strainer = next spotting of Nomad. / While we're playing this game, if Miramanee's people had been authentic Natives, the headband she wore would go all the way around and not be held in place by just a thin string in back.
Actually the spherical part of the Romulan cloaking device is Sargon. But, you are correct, Nomad is on top.
I guess Nomad was the dominant one in the relationship.
I’m 5 minutes in and you’ve had about 15 theories so far and all of them are right!! 😂. It makes me look forward to when you get into serious / classic drama movies (sci-fi or not) where analysis is a big draw.
The Preservers are an interesting idea. Whoever they were, they were moving endangered people to planets where they could thrive and possibly reach whatever their potential might be. Maybe on another Earthlike planet, there might be a colony of Neanderthals who have reached their space age, or other possibilities. It may also explain the sheer amount of humanoids they keep encountering on their travels.
The guy playing the Gorgon was not a professional actor. He was a big-name lawyer at the time who just wanted to be in an episode.
Thanks for the fun facts!
@@CourtReacts-zm9yv there is a lot of back story to the children episode. When the producers got the final cut, they freaked, as Beli was AWFUL! So with very little time til airdate, they added the reverb to his voice and green glow to his appearance. It worked for me, as I always thought he was quite scary.
Coming soon, an episode written by the preeminent puppeteer of the 1960s (who later ceded her crown to Jim Hensen). If you want to see her, look up Kukla, Fran and Ollie.
In the Star Trek Continues series, there is more to the Miramanni story in Kirk's future.
The White Iris.
In case you didn't know Gene Roddenberry, d.c. fontana and others jumped ship when the suits decided to put trek on Friday nights at 10pm when most kids are in bed and hip young people out out.
I did not know this. 10pm is late even for me 😂
My earlier statement was a little off. Gene Roddenberry was there at the beginning of the 3rd season but because of the bad timeslot he thought the network was out to kill his show and his heart was no longer in it.
Understand that Star Trek was actually cancelled after it's second season but a fan led letter writing campaign convinced or forced nbc to give it a third year.
Gene decided to personally produce the show again like he did in the first(and my opinion best)season.
But Gene was going to do it unless they gave Trek a good time slot. The Networks said they'd give him his choice of several good days and times.
So Gene got back on the horse and was planning year 3 to be the year yet.
Well guess what happened. The network told him he could have Friday nights at ten pm.
When StarTreks main viewers were kids who would in bed at that time and young people who would mostly be out on dates and stuff.
Gene Felt the show would be cancelled no matter what he did and took back his old position of executive producer and brought on new new guy to line-produce.
Then Paramount that just bought the desi-lu studios decided to save themself some money and slashed the budget.
The season started out pretty good but seemed to just run out of steam. Don't get me wrong. They're are still kick ass episodes coming down the pike(no pun intended). But with all the things working against the show I'm surprised it's as good as it is.
This is/was a show that was truly loved by its fans. How many shows come and go...no one talks about them. Really is anybody talking about nu-trek.
Here we are 55+ years after it's debut and alot of it still resonates.
Gene Roddenberry will achieve the impossible almost 20 years later and capture lightning in bottle a second time with Star Trek the next generation.
He will away sometime during its 3rd year I think.
Anyways am rabbling and me dog needs to 'do his thing's .
There's much more to StarTrek then just being a television show. It is true Americana through and through.im sure everyone enjoying your reactions agrees.
-Live long and prosper, Courtney.
My mistake. Gulf and Western bought Paramount. They slashed the budget.
Next kurtzman title. Prepare yourself....
Star Trek-into wokeness
I need to begin proofreading.'me dog?!?' did I suddenly become Irish!?!?(By the way I'm not)
Miss Pamalyn Ferdin.
Wouldn't the Star Trek food processors be a great technology? No more hunger. Just tell the machine what you want and it makes it for you, and for everyone else on Earth as well. 🙂
HIS NAME IS KIROK NOT KIRK!!
"The Paradise Syndrome"
1. Kirk gets stoned. 🤣
2. I agree there wasn't a "one punch Chuck" for Kirk VS the native.
3. Another time Spock shows leadership weakness.
4. AGAIN, he gets a hottie, and he knocks her up. 😈Way to go Jim.
5. Not a must watch for me. If it wasn't for the woman, I wouldn't give it a six.
"And The Children Shall Lead"
1. Most everyone hated this story, including the cast.
2. There is one saving grace that all 8 of the major characters get some love.
3. I first saw this as a child, so I don't have the hate in my heart others have.
4. BTW the worst episode is "The Alternative Factor".
Why didn't McCoy stay with Kirk? Why would he? No one knew he was in the temple...or where he was at all.
My point is that the Enterprise has over 400 people on board. A few people and a tricorder could have been helpful.
@@CourtReacts-zm9yv Since it is unknown what happened to the Captain, McCoy (and any security guards) would be facing the peril without any support from the Enterprise.
Thus, to Spock, permitting this risk would be illogical.
@@CourtReacts-zm9yv I'd wondered about that too. Perhaps a small security crew with provisions and a shuttle craft would have been appropriate. Though perhaps there wasn't time to set that up, and maybe no shuttle craft has a food replicator on it .... 🤷♂
Ngl And The Children Shall Lead is an episode I skip every time I rewatch the series haha 😅
Truthfully, I may skip the ones with children myself when I go back 😂
Reportedly William Shatner was well known for his overly dramatic over the top acting style complete with scene stealing dialogue during his time on the show... Much to the displeasure of SOME of his cast mates.
I can definitely see that!
All of his cast mates apparently
No.. Spock was affected. Remember when he did his own mind melt on himself to get control.
I think you were in mid-sentence talking when that part happened and you missed that. IMO🤔
I noticed while editing that he had his hand on his head. I just wasn't sure what he was doing. 🙂
I deeply dislike "And The Children Shall Lead"
Oh Courtney. Sadly you are getting into some fairly poor Trek episodes. I can't watch
No worries, friend! I do the same with other reactors 😆