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Brett Intel has alot more to learn , not buying Intel anymore - they need to remake the chip sque w better quality materials and design 4 the chip to breathe better when running that high. to say the 14900k was 6ghz= a lie. Its a total crash crime scene.
Oh yeah because 105° is so much better than 99 or 100° intil it's definitely shown let it CPUs are able to run it even 200° if you want them to forever this is a joke until currently has a 100% failure rate on their CPUs because of the fact that they run so f****** hot
I m not even bothered by Intel anything expect teir GPUs now. Bret. They need to relearn how to make a cpu chip w out relying on software to give real competition-the candy has already fallen off.
Google is outraged by a company training an AI with data that was not consented to be used? They’re just mad that a non profit is moving in on their business model
Another example of using our data to train AI without our consent, CZcams is using the comments we post to train a large language model how to "moderate" content automatically. In this case, it's a two-fer, as the AI is teaching us to moderate ourselves before we post.
@@EclipseWarlord Well, think about how awful ChatGPT is, and now imagine it deciding what posts to delete. But also, I am nearly certain that trolls are deliberately training the Algorithm to delete posts that they don't like.
The AI even detecting our usual behavior when typing on the keyboard, and every keystroke we press is recorded without our consent (even if you disable all of the keyboard settings)
"Publicly available domains" Hollywood, Disney, and every other movie company in existence in shambles seeing their movies being available for free in hosting websites and not getting paid for AI model training.
yes, won't someone please think of the multi-billion multinationals who are themselves looking for every opportunity to slash employees regardless of last quarter's profits???
@@jamesdrummond7684 the problem is that if those companies can't protect their property from AI with their lawyers and money, then no one will be able to.
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Yeah, and sounds interesting too, an only P core design is an interesting considering the last 3 gens and ones in the near future use/will use e-cores. I'm mostly curious to see what it brings to the table and why such a cpu makes sense in their current lineup.
@@mastroitek how do the e-cores make any sense in the current market? AMD has laptop cpus in desktop packages kicking the snot out of the current intel desktop gen.. there is no e-cores desktop market because amd will sell you a 100% low power package that also outperforms the power hungry p-cores.
@@styleisaweapon No wait, I mean that since Intel made clear that E cores are here to stay (or at least in the current and near future gens), I wonder what a full P core CPU brings to the table for them, how they justify it. In my view needs to have a different set of features, because if it doesn't it would be a weird situation, if it competes with 13th and 14th gen it would basically mean that E-cores are useless (and I assume Intel does not want to sent that message), while if it is bad then it is a useless gen and makes Intel look bad. Thus I believe that there is more to this than only a full P-core design, and being a tech enthusiast I'm curious to see what it is.
@@mastroitek They dont "send messages" by manufacturing things. Their marketing and pr teams will spin all sorts of yarn, but what they are manufacturing doesnt lie. As I detailed, those e-cores ARE currently completely outclassed, and the thing that outclasses them also comes out ahead against intels p-cores. The only way manufacturing e-cores make any sense now is if they are actually binned p-cores, but they arent
@@marcingardias9254 Do we even care at this point. First they would need to clearly state that something is wrong and what their plan is to fix it. Just releasing a new model and letting the customers figure out if it's an improvement doesn't cut it for me.
@@marcingardias9254since there's no guarantee that the new cpu with LGA1700 will be stable, might as well buy new mobo and change everything LMAO Even Intel didnt know how to fix or what causes the instability in the first place. What makes us so sure that they can give stability to their latest CPU. 😢😢
Honestly this looks like desperate action by Intel. Their i9 (13/14 gen) are turning into E-waste and they need to give their customers an option other than their competitors.
The first Rumours about bartlet go back to end of December 2023. Some assumed it was a low cost cpu but what come out back then was that it was aimed at market segments where strong multicore performance was not a main requirement (like for example ... gaming). Then there was another "mini leak" when they extended APO to the 13th gen.(the leak was that the new cpu would not need apo due to only having p-cores) So "the new news" are not really that new, but were superseded by the KS launch and the new architecture until now.
I have three computers with intel chips over the years and 14th gen might be literally the worst product I've ever seen Intel make 💀💀. It's genuinely impressive how badly AMD (the underdog) thrashes them in every single aspect expect for specifically quick sync being nice lmao
Intel along with extended motherboard support should use this opportunity to offer some type of RMA return and replacement with a similar skew of this new chip along with an explanation and apology to the people who are dissatisfied with their 13th or 14th gen cpu's that have the stability issue. So many people are covering the topic in a negative light that hurts Intel as far as reputation. I feel a move like this would really help soften the blow and keep Intel from losing potential buyers that are upset and maybe change the minds of people the are skeptical.
This requires the presumption that Intel can currently manufacture a comparable chip that also doesnt have the current issue. Intel is riding the edge on everything. Presume the current generation is _the best that they can do_ because it is.
They didn't have to push clocks that far in the first place because the IPC is higher on their chips anyway. My 12700K is basically the same as a 7700X for single core speed but the latter clocks at 5.4GHz and my i7 rarely reaches 4.8GHz in the real world for basically the same score.
Intel forgot how to optimize thread director and scheduling better for the 24 core i9s, so they created APO at the last minute basically to counter the 7800X3D. If they did this, those i9s wouldn't be a dumpster fire.
@@Wolverine607 It's not just luck, you can read balance sheets and look at what investments are being made. I've done it. I've seen the opportunity all along. I even tried telling people that Nvidia is a great company but it's overvalued and it's a mistake buying at current levels. I bought 1000 Intel shares and sold whatever Nvidia shares I had. I hope other people also took advantage of the opportunity
Noctua just showed why all my coolers and fans area Noctua. My ancient NH-D15 got a free mounting kit years after buying it. They do customer service right!
I surmise the reason they are retaining the 1700 socket is because they have to have something to warranty all the defective chips they have shipped, they can't offer worse performing current chips, and there isn't much point giving customers another chip of flawed design, so they will have to give customers something new that performs at a comparable level, thus they "need" to retain the socket.
its a deterioration over time rather than a simple instability, which limits what kind of problem it could be, and its unlikely to be a deterioration of the thermal paste or similar because both bulk system integrators and custom builders are seeing the same issues. Its a problem under the lid, or perhaps with the lid itself. Maybe the lid is deforming over time and losing just enough contact with the IC's underneath to not spread heat very well... but probably not.. one of the ic's is probably slowly burning away with too much load running through its conductors and will continue to do so until the cpu doesnt boot any more, in the meantime enjoy instability under load
I don't think a lot of criticism on the Snapdragon X Elite video were about it being a first gen product, they were about the fact that these chips are not meant for gaming. Running games on it is the equivalent of running AAA games on flagship smartphones with emulators like Winlator and expecting a great experience because the flagship smartphone cost you $1300.
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Brett sitting there talking about the Hot News props... Me, feeling sad and lied to about the trackball I've seen him use in the past. I love my trackball. (Well, loved it except for the damage I may have caused by dropping a flashlight on the buttons. Makes playing Raft... Um... interesting.)
Honestly, I never just upgrade the cpu. The only real part I upgrade mid gen is the gpu. When I do upgrade, I just repurpose both cpu and mb or give them to a friend or relative. while having the option is nice I never understood upgrading so often that it made sense.
@@thewhiteknight9923 zen, zen+, which was refresh, zen 2 and zen 3, if anything it was 3.5 where every generation had substantional uplift, and 14th doesn't introduce anything other than +200mhz on i9 or few cores on i7 and what was that? something optimize for 2 games? with bad implementation, buggy and looks like something out of windows 98, oh and don't forget microsoft store is required to download it
@@oltorftheviking I agree, not gonna lie I'm an Intel guy but Intel seemed to be put in a panic by AMD's offerings at the time and wanted to push out something in a rush so they just pushed clocks higher and now its back firing. I think they were hoping ARL would have been ready at that time but it wasn't so they just pushed the old architecture way too far.
@@thetheoryguy5544 imagine if they reused the xeons and just came out with a 15p core only sapphire rapids tile i9 12-10 pcore i7 etc on lga1700 - no ringbus but hbm to compensate- would have been an awesome last minute pivot for 14th gen
i mean, by all thermodynamics, Allowing the chip to function at higher temps makes it easier to keep it cool, because heat dissipates faster the more heat there is to dissipate.
Tinfoil hat moment: that's at least partially motivated by 13th and 14th gen stability issues. They know they are going to have a lot of pissed of customers on their hands next year and they need to be able to offer them something.
Asus should take notes on noctuas response. Honestly I'm more confident in buying products of a manufacturer if their response to such a problem is that open and the issue is taken so seriously. Errors can happen but its about how you deal with such things...
Once NVIDIA launches the 50 series GPU, will they be able to officially sell the 4090 non-D version in China, since the 5090 will be the new top-tier model?
It's about time for Intel. Since the 10900K, there is no reason to upgrade from a 10P cores if you are a gamer. Now, with 12P cores, given the latency is low between the cores just like the 9900K and 10900K paired with fast RAM, that will be the goat. No gamers want their e-cores or AMD's chiplet (or dip let) and their dipping FPS problems.
I don't have a problem with the power, I have a problem with the temperature. They need something better for the thermal interface at the very least because the expansion at those temperatures is extreme. Between idle/off 20-40°C and 100°C swings any standard TIM gets pumped out the side in a matter of weeks or months. Liquid metal, gel phase change or carbon nano sheets must be employed and Intel needs to explain that and put it in the data sheets. I know friends (who didn't listen to me) with Alienware gaming laptops and they run at 100C. I tried lowering the power, the 10th gen i7/i9 (or whatever) chip can't even stay under 100c at 35 watts. At that TDP it can barely hold 3.2Ghz. Imagine paying for an i9 and the i5 will completely outperform it on every metric after 2 mins of run-time. That is basically the situation for all but the most extreme desktop replacement models (cough Clevo cough MSI). You can push "thin and light" all you want, but unless you are usint exotic cooling it's still massively limited. They have to give the money to Intel for the "i7" Ultra 7 branding instead of spending the money on cooling which would result in measurably better performance. 🤦🏼♂️
@milescarter7803 Maybe not a secret, the exotic solutions do not work either. Liquid metal definitely gets pumped out, vapor chambers fail due to fatigue from temp swings being so extreme. The sheets are underwhelming at best. They're setting TjMax as high as they can get away with without too many failures within the warranty period. No one on desktop or laptop should be anywhere near those temps at the current nodes. Forget buying these chips second hand later, just as they planned.
Do we know how long AM5 is going to be supported with new processors for? Thinking about building a computer in the next year and I want to make sure I can upgrade my CPU down the line.
"Is this the last generation of chips that will support this socket?" is a valid question, however even when the answer is "yes" it probably doesnt change anything. That only matter when you are buying the absolute best compatible cpu already, otherwise anything currently better is also already in your upgrade path (and getting cheaper already.)
Noctua's response is above and beyond my expectation of modern responses! Good on them. They have an easy to manage solution that's literally just a piece of tape and yet they're still willing to give a full refund 🤯
The issue with the media and with some of Qualcomms messaging. They are comparing it to Apple’s M1 moment. You can’t do that with how fragmented the PC space is; just with the oem vendors alone. It’s one of the benefits Apple has being the designers of the chips that go in and software that runs on it.
With how badly Raptor lake and the refresh are dying left and right, I consider them failed products and Bartlett lake is the true 2nd generation on LGA 1700. I bet Intel also wishes those two didn't exist either.
Finally more than 8 P cores on a single ring bus/CCX-CCD/die. But Q3 2025? Yikes. 1 year wait at least. Please Intel bring 12 P core chip for Arrow Lake. Q3 2025 for Golden or Raptor Cove IPC and platform for what will be near 3 years old if not 3 years old by then too little too late unless IPC stagnates through Arrow Lake and Zen 6 with mild at best increases with nothing big jump until lkate 2027 at least. And oh boy they better fix the stability problems and if they do and confirmed, I am a buyer of it. Zen 6 still going to be dual 8 core CCD and cross latency penalty. Yes it will be better with the new interconnects, but still on a separate CCD none the less and some latency hit unlike same ring bus 10 P core homogeneous Comet Lake and hypothetical but rumored and likely to be real 12 P core Alder Lake/Raptor Lake or maybe even Lions Cove based Bartlett Lake??
What sort of workload do you have that cares about more than 8 P cores? The only valid example against E cores I've heard was VM software not supporting E cores normally. Games don't care for more than 8 P cores. In fact, 6 cores is more than enough for most games. And for any true MT workload, E cores are good.
Will we see AVX-512 or AVX-10.2 with 512-bit wide vector units on the Bartlett Lake cores? That would be a great feature to have, closing the embarassing gap in the current generation on Intel's consumer chips.
You're aware that P-Core to E-Core latency is also massive yes? Latency penalties are similar on both platforms when you look at workloads that do this kind of thing.
Well big latency jump because it is different kind of core in weaker e-core with different arch and it has to go to a cluster of 4 e-cores. But change them to P cores only and core to core latency will be great like it was on 10 core Comet Lake. As long as they remain on same ring bus that is,
@@lycanthoss Some games are slowly starting to marginally benefit from more than 8 cores. And you can have the best set and forget it all around CPU with modern IPC and no scheduling quirks for games that hate heterogenous arch which too many do. Certain games like TLOUD Part 1, Spiderman Remastered, Cyberpunk, Dragons Dogma 2 and Starfield see a little benefit in some parts of games more than 8 cores. And even those those games play nice with e-cores, having more P cores is better so for games that hate e-cores no disabling necessary and no cross CCD latency 1% lows hit on AMD and thus best of both worlds with more than 8 P cores on a single ring bus. I wanted this so badly for more than 2 years now and its finally coming it appears. Though will it be stable or will it inherit Raptor Lake stability problems and degradation or will the new die be good?
What a weird combo. i7 13700k with much faster DDR5 would have been a better combo. At least for gaming, as the 8 more efficiency cores compared to 13700k do not help much at all, but faster RAM would help a lot.
Bartlett Lake sounds like the mobile version of Arrow Lake used for H/P/U series cpus but socketed for desktop. Does Arrow Lake even have a mobile version? If they're going Lunar Lake for power efficiency then all those 15th gen Intel fabbed H/P/U series cpus will go to waste, no?
Maybe Intel is making it possible for this newest CPU to be used as an option in socket 1700 boards so they can replace their defective Alder Lake AND Raptor Lake CPUs. They are inevitably going to be facing a class-action lawsuit once all the testing and research by the tech community has been completed.
I am really interested how those bartlett lake chips compare in gaming to the rest of lga 1700, if they come out. I'm pretty satisfied with my 13700K, but im not opposed to keeping my mobo for my next CPU
on many videos of the new arm-based laptops I've seen that some x86 apps do not run despite there being a prism emulator, and an error message pops up so is there a way to force the x86 app to run? or do you just have to patiently wait till the developer drops an arm version?
CZcamsrs should sue the AI companies using freely accessible content for any kind of training without consent because It's a High effort and very meticulously planned and made work by many people companies ripping them of for their profits should be stopped at any costs
It's going to be interesting to see how reviewers are going to tackle Intel's new CPUs, when 13900K and 14900K seem to be killing themselves at their default speeds.
Well... IF the issues, or part of the issue, with 13th and 14th Gen are architectural... because we still have no idea what the real cause is, hopefully Arrow Lake doesn't inherit those issues. Granted, I would be VERY surprised if Intel were aware of the current problems before the design of Arrow Lake. And yeah, Noctua showing Intel how you're supposed to handle these issues. Regardless, I'm still heavily leaning towards sticking with AMD, not just because of the issues Intel is having, more so, the way they're handling it... dead silence.
So AMD got intel to do something consumer friendly by supporting the platform they were going to drop for another generation of CPUS. Good job AMD, thanks competition.
THANKYOU BRETT, everyone seems to think this is the first time Windows was on arm. I dont know why everyone forgot about the previous (terrible) windows RT abominations. I guess they were pretty forgettable.
AI in this current form and use is obviously a deliberate misnomer. Algorithmic data mining, sold to the highest bidder, frequently in the grey area, or just illegal, sounds so much worse than "AI".
I feel really lucky with all the intel i9 CPU failure news. I limited my MB per the Intel Performance suggestions, direct die water cool it and the temps never get over 80C at full throttle for over 10 minutes. So far it's been very stable, never had a crash so far. Not sure if one or any of my steps helped but so far so good. (fingers crossed)
Intel, AMD, and Nvidia really need to reign in the power draw and thermals on their CPUs and GPUs. This is way out of hand. No computer should need over a 1000w PSU and 75% of the market should run on 500w or less.
I want guidance I've decided to build my first pc and I got around 1200$ budget and in my currency(rupee) I've decided to go with i713700k and amd gpu 7800xt and I'm deciding the other parts I wanna know what are some of the common mistakes beginners make that I should avoind and also if my combo is good or not and any other criticism you feel like😊 follow you everywhere
How does company get away calling itself 'non-profit' when it has licensing deals with literally the biggest companies in the world!? - "We pay each of our employees a million dollars a year, so at the end of the year we have no profit"
Personal income IS taxed. If they are doing what you say, then things are working correctly. Its when the non-profit is paying personal expenses from its balance sheet that there is a problem.
Gee, ever wonder if the "grab it" because "pirating isn't theft" thing isn't coming back to haunt? Violation of rights is violation of rights. Despite the "kids" claiming rights violations are a gray area.
The 285k is probably not a flagship chip, the 85 in the part number is telling me is positioned between 14700 and 14900, but what do i know im just some random dude on youtube.
let us be real here high end 13 and 14 series are breaking down left and right. they just want a refresh so that manufacturer that make lga 1700 are not running away from intel for future socket, because of "no longer stable" cpu.
@@thetheoryguy5544 more like they had to do this. what happen to the owner of i9 both in 14 13 gen are sad. i guess if not because of massive flaw on those chips, intel won't bother to release new chips on old sockets.
5:50 Is it just me or are we only over clocking everything and not creating new technology? We’re so desperate for change but only gain more heat and basically no actual performance gains. Every piece of hardware now has to have a heat sink and the upgrade potential has decreased significantly or stagnated for the past 4 years?! I don’t know, but the gains no longer seem to make financial sense nor matter anymore.
Hi Brett Host. Sorry but your wrong - the platform owns the product not the user - the US courts say so. Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc (all together) went to court in the very early days of Facebook and the courts agreed that as the user 'chose' to place the data on another platform that was not their own then they lose ownership unless they have copyright. This was originally taken to courts under the guise of lost data and whether individuals were to be compensated if it was lost. Only the prospect of losing customers stop companies from too much abuse of legal theft
Edit: “let someone else do the heavy lifting for you…” welcome to open source 🤠 The first story- I love how Apple can scrape data but if I wanna scrape data I gotta pay more or not do it. 💀 any site worth its salt has anti scraping detection built in, so you know they are being backdoored into it
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Brett Intel has alot more to learn , not buying Intel anymore - they need to remake the chip sque w better quality materials and design 4 the chip to breathe better when running that high. to say the 14900k was 6ghz= a lie. Its a total crash crime scene.
Oh yeah because 105° is so much better than 99 or 100° intil it's definitely shown let it CPUs are able to run it even 200° if you want them to forever this is a joke until currently has a 100% failure rate on their CPUs because of the fact that they run so f****** hot
I mean 14th gen has been a mess so would be nice to get an upgrage to something that works.
I m not even bothered by Intel anything expect teir GPUs now. Bret. They need to relearn how to make a cpu chip w out relying on software to give real competition-the candy has already fallen off.
Google is outraged by a company training an AI with data that was not consented to be used? They’re just mad that a non profit is moving in on their business model
"you didnt scrape it from the authors website in the still of the night like we did, you scraped it from our website and thats where we draw the line"
Another example of using our data to train AI without our consent, CZcams is using the comments we post to train a large language model how to "moderate" content automatically.
In this case, it's a two-fer, as the AI is teaching us to moderate ourselves before we post.
Nearly half of what I post vanishes and I generally don't say anything bad
@@EclipseWarlord Well, think about how awful ChatGPT is, and now imagine it deciding what posts to delete.
But also, I am nearly certain that trolls are deliberately training the Algorithm to delete posts that they don't like.
The AI even detecting our usual behavior when typing on the keyboard, and every keystroke we press is recorded without our consent (even if you disable all of the keyboard settings)
Yesterday, I mentioned CamelCamelCamel and Keepa in an Amazon deals video on another channel. Let's see if this post survives, that one sure did not.
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"Publicly available domains"
Hollywood, Disney, and every other movie company in existence in shambles seeing their movies being available for free in hosting websites and not getting paid for AI model training.
yes, won't someone please think of the multi-billion multinationals who are themselves looking for every opportunity to slash employees regardless of last quarter's profits???
@@jamesdrummond7684 the problem is that if those companies can't protect their property from AI with their lawyers and money, then no one will be able to.
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AI and Theft, the iconic duo of our time.
they are learning Ai that theft is ok - Apple can dream that their ai wont realise this
As if CZcamsrs videos are not profitting off of other people's work
@@Dempig Not remotely the same - stop defending it ... that's obtuse. Or are you saying - "They steal so I can too!!" is a valid argument? Which one?
Intel is taking "If you can't beat them, join them" seriously
But hey, I guess thats what competition does, all the better for us
Yeah, and sounds interesting too, an only P core design is an interesting considering the last 3 gens and ones in the near future use/will use e-cores. I'm mostly curious to see what it brings to the table and why such a cpu makes sense in their current lineup.
@@mastroitek how do the e-cores make any sense in the current market? AMD has laptop cpus in desktop packages kicking the snot out of the current intel desktop gen.. there is no e-cores desktop market because amd will sell you a 100% low power package that also outperforms the power hungry p-cores.
@@styleisaweapon No wait, I mean that since Intel made clear that E cores are here to stay (or at least in the current and near future gens), I wonder what a full P core CPU brings to the table for them, how they justify it. In my view needs to have a different set of features, because if it doesn't it would be a weird situation, if it competes with 13th and 14th gen it would basically mean that E-cores are useless (and I assume Intel does not want to sent that message), while if it is bad then it is a useless gen and makes Intel look bad. Thus I believe that there is more to this than only a full P-core design, and being a tech enthusiast I'm curious to see what it is.
@@mastroitek They dont "send messages" by manufacturing things. Their marketing and pr teams will spin all sorts of yarn, but what they are manufacturing doesnt lie. As I detailed, those e-cores ARE currently completely outclassed, and the thing that outclasses them also comes out ahead against intels p-cores. The only way manufacturing e-cores make any sense now is if they are actually binned p-cores, but they arent
@@styleisaweapon your point is that e-cores are useless, mine is that I want to see something new, if not as a technology in a feature set
I view Intel's Bartlett Lake running on LGA1700 as an ominous sign that Intel is expecting they will have to replace a ton 13th and 14th gen CPUs.
I saw a video later where a game company claimed 100% of these CPU's fail over the time of a few months
Good question is: are the new ones going to be stable and performant enough to replace faulty i9-s?
@@marcingardias9254 Do we even care at this point. First they would need to clearly state that something is wrong and what their plan is to fix it. Just releasing a new model and letting the customers figure out if it's an improvement doesn't cut it for me.
@@gzoechi If you don't want to buy new motherboard, then yes.
@@marcingardias9254since there's no guarantee that the new cpu with LGA1700 will be stable, might as well buy new mobo and change everything LMAO
Even Intel didnt know how to fix or what causes the instability in the first place. What makes us so sure that they can give stability to their latest CPU.
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Honestly this looks like desperate action by Intel. Their i9 (13/14 gen) are turning into E-waste and they need to give their customers an option other than their competitors.
Yeah, I'm betting it's a xeon on an 1700 interposer.
The first Rumours about bartlet go back to end of December 2023. Some assumed it was a low cost cpu but what come out back then was that it was aimed at market segments where strong multicore performance was not a main requirement (like for example ... gaming). Then there was another "mini leak" when they extended APO to the 13th gen.(the leak was that the new cpu would not need apo due to only having p-cores) So "the new news" are not really that new, but were superseded by the KS launch and the new architecture until now.
Competition drives the industry. Intel isn’t competitive against AMD anymore.
Bartlett Lake will be another Raptor Lake based architecture. Good luck selling that after last week debacle!
They are probably rushing BARTLETT to release to replace faulty 13th and 14th gen processors.
I have three computers with intel chips over the years and 14th gen might be literally the worst product I've ever seen Intel make 💀💀. It's genuinely impressive how badly AMD (the underdog) thrashes them in every single aspect expect for specifically quick sync being nice lmao
I love my little sg13 build I did for my wife.
AMD 5600 and a blower style 3070
Intel along with extended motherboard support should use this opportunity to offer some type of RMA return and replacement with a similar skew of this new chip along with an explanation and apology to the people who are dissatisfied with their 13th or 14th gen cpu's that have the stability issue. So many people are covering the topic in a negative light that hurts Intel as far as reputation. I feel a move like this would really help soften the blow and keep Intel from losing potential buyers that are upset and maybe change the minds of people the are skeptical.
This requires the presumption that Intel can currently manufacture a comparable chip that also doesnt have the current issue. Intel is riding the edge on everything. Presume the current generation is _the best that they can do_ because it is.
Bret I love how you said “I’m your Bret host” 😂😂😂
It's one of his catch phrases. He says it every episode.
I believe the lower max boost clock for these new Core Ultra CPUs is because Intel Isn't pushing it beyond safe limits just to try to beat AMD.
They didn't have to push clocks that far in the first place because the IPC is higher on their chips anyway.
My 12700K is basically the same as a 7700X for single core speed but the latter clocks at 5.4GHz and my i7 rarely reaches 4.8GHz in the real world for basically the same score.
Intel forgot how to optimize thread director and scheduling better for the 24 core i9s, so they created APO at the last minute basically to counter the 7800X3D.
If they did this, those i9s wouldn't be a dumpster fire.
@@saricubra28677700x scores higher in geekbench 6 both single and multicore than 12700k so that higher core clock does make sense
@@saricubra2867they pushed i9 way too much like in gaming 7950x stays around 50 degrees and 14900k around 70 for the same fps
@@aditya-uk5xw I overclocked my i7-12700K and i don't get a gaming perfomance increase, only hotter temps by 20 degrees 🤦♂
Intel's stock is ripping, up almost 20% in the last few weeks. Congratulations to whoever believed in Intel and bought the stock at $30
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Wild, that's crazy
Easier said than done but yes. Also could have gotten hit the other way too. Luck of draw.
@@Wolverine607 It's not just luck, you can read balance sheets and look at what investments are being made. I've done it. I've seen the opportunity all along. I even tried telling people that Nvidia is a great company but it's overvalued and it's a mistake buying at current levels. I bought 1000 Intel shares and sold whatever Nvidia shares I had. I hope other people also took advantage of the opportunity
@@Wolverine607 It's definitely not just luck if you read a couple balance sheets and you look at the investments that are being made
Noctua just showed why all my coolers and fans area Noctua. My ancient NH-D15 got a free mounting kit years after buying it. They do customer service right!
Intel: Continues to release new LGA 1700 CPUs. Me: Cries in EVGA Z690
I surmise the reason they are retaining the 1700 socket is because they have to have something to warranty all the defective chips they have shipped, they can't offer worse performing current chips, and there isn't much point giving customers another chip of flawed design, so they will have to give customers something new that performs at a comparable level, thus they "need" to retain the socket.
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if you ask me, the issues with 13th and 14th are with the hardware side of thing and not the software side of things.
its a deterioration over time rather than a simple instability, which limits what kind of problem it could be, and its unlikely to be a deterioration of the thermal paste or similar because both bulk system integrators and custom builders are seeing the same issues. Its a problem under the lid, or perhaps with the lid itself. Maybe the lid is deforming over time and losing just enough contact with the IC's underneath to not spread heat very well... but probably not.. one of the ic's is probably slowly burning away with too much load running through its conductors and will continue to do so until the cpu doesnt boot any more, in the meantime enjoy instability under load
@@styleisaweapon Yeah but Anandtech measured peak power, and it was only like 428 watts under load, that wouldn't do it ... would it? 😁
Then that is Intels fault alone.
I watch all LTT content but I was seeing your content on Shorts more... I got interested and found out you made long form content, I just subscribed.
Yo, can we get a shout out and props to the cheese grater chilling in the background?
Brett, you a real one 😂🤘🏻
I remember watching you when you just started, I am so happy your are hitting 1m, shout out from Pretoria.
They better give Bartlett lake to raptor lake users for free
My 14700k has crashed less than my 5600x even though the cooling was overkill for 5600x
@@smartcucumber7559 14700k is mostly fine? I thought it was mainly the i9 CPUs that had this problem. My biggest fear is the degradation.
@@DustyCruzas long you under volt the cpu under 1.4v you won't have problem (underclock to 5.5ghz)
Yeah my 14900K has degraded.
So your 13100k should be upgraded for free?
I don't think a lot of criticism on the Snapdragon X Elite video were about it being a first gen product, they were about the fact that these chips are not meant for gaming. Running games on it is the equivalent of running AAA games on flagship smartphones with emulators like Winlator and expecting a great experience because the flagship smartphone cost you $1300.
oooooOOO00, so close to the 1,000,000 subscriber milestone. I'm happy for you and you deserve it. You've continued to follow your dream through life's challenges. Best wishes to you and your family. 🏆🤘😎👍
P.s. i still miss the zebras though. Maybe Reese could record a "Hot Deals' segment out amongst the zebras? A tribute to UFD's origins, sort of.
Wow, almost a million!!! Been subscribed since before you went to South Africa.
Brett sitting there talking about the Hot News props...
Me, feeling sad and lied to about the trackball I've seen him use in the past. I love my trackball. (Well, loved it except for the damage I may have caused by dropping a flashlight on the buttons. Makes playing Raft... Um... interesting.)
Honestly, I never just upgrade the cpu. The only real part I upgrade mid gen is the gpu. When I do upgrade, I just repurpose both cpu and mb or give them to a friend or relative. while having the option is nice I never understood upgrading so often that it made sense.
I was dreaming about lga1700 continue no Way DREAMING and it cheap and a lot of cores? Greatest thing ever
Bartlett is refresh aswell, so 2 gens + 2 halves, kind of 3 gens
Same as am4 then
@@thewhiteknight9923 zen, zen+, which was refresh, zen 2 and zen 3, if anything it was 3.5 where every generation had substantional uplift, and 14th doesn't introduce anything other than +200mhz on i9 or few cores on i7 and what was that? something optimize for 2 games? with bad implementation, buggy and looks like something out of windows 98, oh and don't forget microsoft store is required to download it
its likely a warranty play to replace the failing 900ks
That's smart tho.
@@thetheoryguy5544 for sure - would have been awesome to have these as the 14th gen
@@oltorftheviking I agree, not gonna lie I'm an Intel guy but Intel seemed to be put in a panic by AMD's offerings at the time and wanted to push out something in a rush so they just pushed clocks higher and now its back firing. I think they were hoping ARL would have been ready at that time but it wasn't so they just pushed the old architecture way too far.
@@thetheoryguy5544 imagine if they reused the xeons and just came out with a 15p core only sapphire rapids tile i9 12-10 pcore i7 etc on lga1700 - no ringbus but hbm to compensate- would have been an awesome last minute pivot for 14th gen
i mean, by all thermodynamics, Allowing the chip to function at higher temps makes it easier to keep it cool, because heat dissipates faster the more heat there is to dissipate.
9:39 i had this rattling sound on a different noctua cooler. it was super annoying
It's funny to say Bartlett-Lake. Bartlett-Lake Bartlett-Lake 😅😅
Tinfoil hat moment: that's at least partially motivated by 13th and 14th gen stability issues. They know they are going to have a lot of pissed of customers on their hands next year and they need to be able to offer them something.
imagine bartlett lake core-x style hedts
Asus should take notes on noctuas response. Honestly I'm more confident in buying products of a manufacturer if their response to such a problem is that open and the issue is taken so seriously. Errors can happen but its about how you deal with such things...
Once NVIDIA launches the 50 series GPU, will they be able to officially sell the 4090 non-D version in China, since the 5090 will be the new top-tier model?
Don't think so usa put tops restrictions on nvidia
Almost got a lga1700 mobo but went am4, its nice to see a chance of intel being customer friendly
It's about time for Intel. Since the 10900K, there is no reason to upgrade from a 10P cores if you are a gamer. Now, with 12P cores, given the latency is low between the cores just like the 9900K and 10900K paired with fast RAM, that will be the goat. No gamers want their e-cores or AMD's chiplet (or dip let) and their dipping FPS problems.
They could even give us AVX-512 back. :)
I guess we'll see what intel does, but I wanna upgrade my i9-9900k to another intel chip that's 2x as fast in the next year or so.
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good video as always. for some reason, the links for prime day are not showing up on the UFD deals page.
I don't have a problem with the power, I have a problem with the temperature. They need something better for the thermal interface at the very least because the expansion at those temperatures is extreme. Between idle/off 20-40°C and 100°C swings any standard TIM gets pumped out the side in a matter of weeks or months. Liquid metal, gel phase change or carbon nano sheets must be employed and Intel needs to explain that and put it in the data sheets.
I know friends (who didn't listen to me) with Alienware gaming laptops and they run at 100C. I tried lowering the power, the 10th gen i7/i9 (or whatever) chip can't even stay under 100c at 35 watts. At that TDP it can barely hold 3.2Ghz. Imagine paying for an i9 and the i5 will completely outperform it on every metric after 2 mins of run-time. That is basically the situation for all but the most extreme desktop replacement models (cough Clevo cough MSI). You can push "thin and light" all you want, but unless you are usint exotic cooling it's still massively limited. They have to give the money to Intel for the "i7" Ultra 7 branding instead of spending the money on cooling which would result in measurably better performance. 🤦🏼♂️
@milescarter7803 Maybe not a secret, the exotic solutions do not work either. Liquid metal definitely gets pumped out, vapor chambers fail due to fatigue from temp swings being so extreme. The sheets are underwhelming at best. They're setting TjMax as high as they can get away with without too many failures within the warranty period. No one on desktop or laptop should be anywhere near those temps at the current nodes. Forget buying these chips second hand later, just as they planned.
Do we know how long AM5 is going to be supported with new processors for? Thinking about building a computer in the next year and I want to make sure I can upgrade my CPU down the line.
Amd said to 2027
"Is this the last generation of chips that will support this socket?" is a valid question, however even when the answer is "yes" it probably doesnt change anything. That only matter when you are buying the absolute best compatible cpu already, otherwise anything currently better is also already in your upgrade path (and getting cheaper already.)
I'm ready to buy bartlett lake for desktop, when does it come out? They should announce a recall on all 13th and 14th gen chips like the ones I own.
Noctua's response is above and beyond my expectation of modern responses! Good on them.
They have an easy to manage solution that's literally just a piece of tape and yet they're still willing to give a full refund 🤯
Wait it's already the 4th gen for Snapdragon X Elite chips? I thought those Arm chips prior to their release were of a different brand/model.
The issue with the media and with some of Qualcomms messaging. They are comparing it to Apple’s M1 moment. You can’t do that with how fragmented the PC space is; just with the oem vendors alone. It’s one of the benefits Apple has being the designers of the chips that go in and software that runs on it.
support for LGA1700 makes me happy.
With how badly Raptor lake and the refresh are dying left and right, I consider them failed products and Bartlett lake is the true 2nd generation on LGA 1700. I bet Intel also wishes those two didn't exist either.
that pokemon line went hard
Good on Noctua!
Dang 12 P cores would be great for everything. Sounds like the go-to when I ever get my hands on an LGA 1700 socket 'laptop' 😂.
Joke on you Brett, we all know you are waiting at the desk for 5 days non stop , to give us those sweet 100minutes of tech news per week ;)
Prime day was amazing, saw the i7 12700k at 56% off the normal price of £479
@kieran9882 The 12700K has not been at MSRP in a very long time. It's currently about 10% under the typical price for many months.
Finally more than 8 P cores on a single ring bus/CCX-CCD/die. But Q3 2025? Yikes. 1 year wait at least. Please Intel bring 12 P core chip for Arrow Lake. Q3 2025 for Golden or Raptor Cove IPC and platform for what will be near 3 years old if not 3 years old by then too little too late unless IPC stagnates through Arrow Lake and Zen 6 with mild at best increases with nothing big jump until lkate 2027 at least. And oh boy they better fix the stability problems and if they do and confirmed, I am a buyer of it.
Zen 6 still going to be dual 8 core CCD and cross latency penalty. Yes it will be better with the new interconnects, but still on a separate CCD none the less and some latency hit unlike same ring bus 10 P core homogeneous Comet Lake and hypothetical but rumored and likely to be real 12 P core Alder Lake/Raptor Lake or maybe even Lions Cove based Bartlett Lake??
What sort of workload do you have that cares about more than 8 P cores? The only valid example against E cores I've heard was VM software not supporting E cores normally. Games don't care for more than 8 P cores. In fact, 6 cores is more than enough for most games. And for any true MT workload, E cores are good.
Will we see AVX-512 or AVX-10.2 with 512-bit wide vector units on the Bartlett Lake cores? That would be a great feature to have, closing the embarassing gap in the current generation on Intel's consumer chips.
You're aware that P-Core to E-Core latency is also massive yes? Latency penalties are similar on both platforms when you look at workloads that do this kind of thing.
Well big latency jump because it is different kind of core in weaker e-core with different arch and it has to go to a cluster of 4 e-cores. But change them to P cores only and core to core latency will be great like it was on 10 core Comet Lake. As long as they remain on same ring bus that is,
@@lycanthoss Some games are slowly starting to marginally benefit from more than 8 cores. And you can have the best set and forget it all around CPU with modern IPC and no scheduling quirks for games that hate heterogenous arch which too many do.
Certain games like TLOUD Part 1, Spiderman Remastered, Cyberpunk, Dragons Dogma 2 and Starfield see a little benefit in some parts of games more than 8 cores. And even those those games play nice with e-cores, having more P cores is better so for games that hate e-cores no disabling necessary and no cross CCD latency 1% lows hit on AMD and thus best of both worlds with more than 8 P cores on a single ring bus. I wanted this so badly for more than 2 years now and its finally coming it appears.
Though will it be stable or will it inherit Raptor Lake stability problems and degradation or will the new die be good?
But will Bartlett on 1700 support DDR4? There are plenty of DDR4 1700 motherboards
I have intel i9 13900k with msi edge z790 with ddr4
What a weird combo. i7 13700k with much faster DDR5 would have been a better combo. At least for gaming, as the 8 more efficiency cores compared to 13700k do not help much at all, but faster RAM would help a lot.
@aos32 i chooses ddr4 only because i already have like 128gb 4600mhz kits
@aos32 and i don't do gaming on my pc
@@Nth_Room ok, great
Bartlett Lake sounds like the mobile version of Arrow Lake used for H/P/U series cpus but socketed for desktop. Does Arrow Lake even have a mobile version? If they're going Lunar Lake for power efficiency then all those 15th gen Intel fabbed H/P/U series cpus will go to waste, no?
Will the new chip be the LGA1728?
Maybe Intel is making it possible for this newest CPU to be used as an option in socket 1700 boards so they can replace their defective Alder Lake AND Raptor Lake CPUs. They are inevitably going to be facing a class-action lawsuit once all the testing and research by the tech community has been completed.
I am really interested how those bartlett lake chips compare in gaming to the rest of lga 1700, if they come out. I'm pretty satisfied with my 13700K, but im not opposed to keeping my mobo for my next CPU
on many videos of the new arm-based laptops I've seen that some x86 apps do not run despite there being a prism emulator, and an error message pops up
so is there a way to force the x86 app to run? or do you just have to patiently wait till the developer drops an arm version?
Why is the second “HN” backwards
CZcamsrs should sue the AI companies using freely accessible content for any kind of training without consent because It's a High effort and very meticulously planned and made work by many people companies ripping them of for their profits should be stopped at any costs
so what is the alternative if I'm trying to buy a new PC?
It's going to be interesting to see how reviewers are going to tackle Intel's new CPUs, when 13900K and 14900K seem to be killing themselves at their default speeds.
Give me the 12P + 0E one and I'll be happy.
could make a cup of tea on that bad boy lol
Well... IF the issues, or part of the issue, with 13th and 14th Gen are architectural... because we still have no idea what the real cause is, hopefully Arrow Lake doesn't inherit those issues. Granted, I would be VERY surprised if Intel were aware of the current problems before the design of Arrow Lake. And yeah, Noctua showing Intel how you're supposed to handle these issues. Regardless, I'm still heavily leaning towards sticking with AMD, not just because of the issues Intel is having, more so, the way they're handling it... dead silence.
A GPU from 2004 when the 900 series came out, I couldn't imagine!
I had a GPU from 2003 when the 1000 series came out 🥲
Happy early 1 million!
So AMD got intel to do something consumer friendly by supporting the platform they were going to drop for another generation of CPUS. Good job AMD, thanks competition.
Happy 10 years
THANKYOU BRETT, everyone seems to think this is the first time Windows was on arm. I dont know why everyone forgot about the previous (terrible) windows RT abominations. I guess they were pretty forgettable.
Luther AI?! Like Lex Luthor, right? Has DC comics become real life, we got a super villain running AI now?!
AI in this current form and use is obviously a deliberate misnomer. Algorithmic data mining, sold to the highest bidder, frequently in the grey area, or just illegal, sounds so much worse than "AI".
I feel really lucky with all the intel i9 CPU failure news. I limited my MB per the Intel Performance suggestions, direct die water cool it and the temps never get over 80C at full throttle for over 10 minutes. So far it's been very stable, never had a crash so far. Not sure if one or any of my steps helped but so far so good. (fingers crossed)
It looks like it's not just power and heat. CPUs in servers are also breaking apart. Maybe you are just lucky.
Maybe the Noctua coolers breaking while shipping is due to eco-friendly packaging. Bring back plastic for crying out loud.
What makes anyone think a replacement chip is more than a bandaid.
The students surpassing the teachers or priors
Those new Intel naming is so confusing and honestly it doesn't motivate check them.
Intel, AMD, and Nvidia really need to reign in the power draw and thermals on their CPUs and GPUs. This is way out of hand. No computer should need over a 1000w PSU and 75% of the market should run on 500w or less.
I want guidance
I've decided to build my first pc and I got around 1200$ budget and in my currency(rupee)
I've decided to go with i713700k and amd gpu 7800xt and I'm deciding the other parts
I wanna know what are some of the common mistakes beginners make that I should avoind and also if my combo is good or not and any other criticism you feel like😊 follow you everywhere
How does company get away calling itself 'non-profit' when it has licensing deals with literally the biggest companies in the world!? - "We pay each of our employees a million dollars a year, so at the end of the year we have no profit"
Personal income IS taxed. If they are doing what you say, then things are working correctly. Its when the non-profit is paying personal expenses from its balance sheet that there is a problem.
Gee, ever wonder if the "grab it" because "pirating isn't theft" thing isn't coming back to haunt? Violation of rights is violation of rights. Despite the "kids" claiming rights violations are a gray area.
The 285k is probably not a flagship chip, the 85 in the part number is telling me is positioned between 14700 and 14900, but what do i know im just some random dude on youtube.
Intel giving options for LGA1700 because intel 13/14gen cpu is trash.. so what to do with motherboard ?:D
9 pm gang.
so all that tim cook glazing mkbhd did amounted to this?
oh shite! I muted the livestream when I went to bed last night - gotta get more deeeeeeellllzzzzzzz
let us be real here high end 13 and 14 series are breaking down left and right. they just want a refresh so that manufacturer that make lga 1700 are not running away from intel for future socket, because of "no longer stable" cpu.
That's a bad thing?
@@thetheoryguy5544 more like they had to do this. what happen to the owner of i9 both in 14 13 gen are sad.
i guess if not because of massive flaw on those chips, intel won't bother to release new chips on old sockets.
I only use a trackball mouse.
When battlemage coming out?
5:50 Is it just me or are we only over clocking everything and not creating new technology?
We’re so desperate for change but only gain more heat and basically no actual performance gains.
Every piece of hardware now has to have a heat sink and the upgrade potential has decreased significantly or stagnated for the past 4 years?! I don’t know, but the gains no longer seem to make financial sense nor matter anymore.
900-series will run on Win XP :-)
Hi Brett Host. Sorry but your wrong - the platform owns the product not the user - the US courts say so. Facebook, Google, Apple, Microsoft, etc (all together) went to court in the very early days of Facebook and the courts agreed that as the user 'chose' to place the data on another platform that was not their own then they lose ownership unless they have copyright. This was originally taken to courts under the guise of lost data and whether individuals were to be compensated if it was lost. Only the prospect of losing customers stop companies from too much abuse of legal theft
900 series losing support? Well, I guess they can be a canary for my 1080ti.
Snapdragon doesn't want you to use linux, they want you to use windows. If they made it easy it would become the norm.
Edit: “let someone else do the heavy lifting for you…” welcome to open source 🤠
The first story- I love how Apple can scrape data but if I wanna scrape data I gotta pay more or not do it. 💀 any site worth its salt has anti scraping detection built in, so you know they are being backdoored into it