1.4 Salutes (Do they exist?)
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- čas přidán 25. 08. 2024
- A question I frequently receive is, can a person purchase 1.4 salutes or Consumer Fireworks salutes. The answer is no and yes. I explain in the video.
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Every year we get our "1.4" salutes we peal of the tags and light them off... Thank god for people who still sell these
Almost a decade later we can finally say "yes" to this question. With 1.4pro we finally have it
If your deep in the pyro community it's very easy to get overload product, but people posting vids of them with the brands and labels and talking is what will ruin it. And if you have to ask if a 1.75" salute is more powerful than a excel you have no business playing with anything other than what you get at a 1.4g store
they should not be illegal at all because of idiots that do not know how to read warning labels and use common sense . they say it is to protect the children well don't let kids play with fireworks
all fireworks can be dangerous if not used properly.which is more dangerous a canister shell or m80? answer both are equally dangerous they can both remove a hand.so why ban them.
PyRoOWL 1995 yea they shouldnt people are dumb if they were legal there will be more fire more we visits u ever seen a big shell flower pot ad don't said no that won't happen some times the pros even hurt them self or even kill them self
It's because of the risk of them being converted into bombs.
M80 has 3-8 grams. A canister shell 4inch by 1 an 3 quarter's diameter and it's has 12 BP grams, an 48 grams of flash and stars. Not fair to us
@@realname3538 here in the Netherlands cause of noise pollution, animal (pets) rights but adress it under banner of safety danger
Red Fox Pyro nearly anyone can buy material at Home Depot etc to make a bomb.
There are certain tells that these products have, if you don't have a hookup with info. If you're shopping retail, look for things that are no-name labels that are higher priced than they look like they should be. Look for effects labeled like "thunder" or "silver peony" and things like that.
But whatever you do, don't go on to youtube and give away the name and where you got it. That ruins it for everyone else. Be discreet!
This is the most legit and brutally honest video I've ever seen.
I got some awesome shells this year that were 1.3g. They were 1.75" but holy hannah they were amazing. I know these overloads as "rewraps". But the scary thing was I honestly had no idea they were 1.3g. I'm not going to say the name of them but there were 12 shells and a small mortar with it. It said the colors and effects they made. There was obviously no color just straight flash powder. The first one I lit scared the hell out of me but I went back to the tent and told the guy I loved the color they made and he laughed and asked if I was back to get more. I got a case of them haha.
This is why some of the dudes on the reservations are rich, selling the goodies.
If your around the scene long enough this stuff will cross your path.
driftwoodfloating Thats what I tell everyone who asks. After a few years of being involved in the pyro life you’ll eventually fine them. I was luck enough to get into pyrotechnics at an early age so at 14 i’m able to get this stuff which is kinda of unheard of.
@@Jonathan_Camps been shooting fireworks for about 8 years. Haven't found shit. Guess I'll stick to canisters
@@HabeasJ you gotra go to the right places. Usually the small family owned places. Bigger places like TNT and Phantom won't have it
@@Jonathan_Camps the only places I buy from are small stands and stores on two different reservations; 5-6 "mom n pop shops" total. Not a phantom, tnt, or overloaded product in sight. Maybe I just havent noticed them, but I'm pretty sure Im looking in the right places
@@HabeasJ out of 5-6 mom and pop stores you shpuld be finding them. You might just not be looking at the right places. Next time ask the owners about them. If you ask they'll usually recognize that you know your way around fireworks. You'll usually find them in the form of rockets, roman candles, shells, and cakes. Very rarely will you find overloaded crackers but ifs possible.
Dave, you're going to have to redo this video now that we have 1.4 pro stuff on the market.
A neighbor of a friend of mine years ago used to have these salute rockets. On the fourth of july, he generally stayed inside, but would come out every 20 minutes or so and light one off and go back inside. He was an older gentleman, not someone you'd expect to have these.
I've been wanting to know where he got them for 10+ years. Maybe someday lol
Mightve just been a hobbyist who made his own to reminisce about the olden days, could explain the "every 20 minutes or so" deal.
I always love to hear my dad and his buddy talk about the "real" cherry bombs and firecrackers they were able to buy as kids and young adults . This was also a time when they sold dynamite at the hardware store sooo theres that
Shit 10 years! You gotta look a little harder haha you’ll definitely find some good items and definitely rockets, generally if you see them there 1.5 - 2 inches and will be pricier, just ask them about certain items or maybe if they have anything under the counter or anything else nice in the back.
I had a firecracker like that 2 years ago. No label or anything. We light it, red sparks for like 5 seconds then boom! We tried finding more last year but i guess the guy selling them went to prision for selling them the year before. Crazy how things work out. Be careful out there everyone and have a great 4th!!:)
really my local firework store sells tho's but that are bigger than my finger and he's been selling them for years as well a consumer salutes
Buyer beware. These products simply need a warning on them that says buyer beware. Anyone who wants to use them over the age of 18 should be allowed to.
I worked at phantom fireworks in the early 2000’s
They had an over loaded products in the store.
There was a salute like Roman candle called Thunder Stick. I think you you might be able to get them still. But then they had another Thunder Stick that was a pack of bottle rockets. (Rocket was like 4-6 inches) they came in a pack of six.
As a kid 18-20 I broke the stick off and put them in mail boxes and anything else I could think of. They would blow holes in the metal mail boxes.
We put one in an old microwave. It blew the door off the hinges and the door traveled about 15 feet.
I love knowing the “good stuff” to buy.
In 4th grade I learned what a pyrotechnic was and that was what I wanted to be as an adult. But I got into drugs and got felonys and now all that was dashed. But I still love the feeling of a crowd watching me light fireworks on the fourth.
Drugs are bad
Thunder Sticks were fun!!!
All the atf license holders have nightmares about 1.4g salutes. Why? Because then there would be no need for atf licensees.
if 4'' display shells were legal like most of the world... theyd be f'd.
This is how ALOT of business is run.
With all the present price hikes the1.4
Cost just about the same as the goodies. 24cans cost $180-$200!
500g cakes $49-80
200GRAMMRs into da 20s-30.😳😳
Just saying.
Getting your 1.3g license makes prices cheaper 😎
Came across a few boxes last year of 6 double break peanut shells a friend of mine was selling who needed money and they broke with nice peonies and really nice loud white flowers ... hung on to some for a special occasion 😌
I have seen the common black box artillery shells loaded hot right on the shelf next to other common shells. The only difference was 6 shells were $25 and the normal 6 was $10
Ha ha inflation sucks!! This posts from 4yrs ago that $25 dollar box of 6 are now $50 -$60 bucks. But if you have a license and could buy legally. You could buy a case of the same 1"3/4 Salutes of 12×12 144 pcs for $190
@@erickrohn2970this is because you shop at overpriced stores. The "HOT" D****n black box artillary shells, 6ct balls, still go for 30 in many places. The "normal" ones are 10-12$
I remember when I was younger going to a firework store in Michigan right at the Ohio border late 90s. They sold packs of one shot thunderkings. They were tiny little things that were basically a legit salute. Wish I could get my hands on something similar these days.
We had our hands on a hot case of Neon Rain cakes back in 2005. They were incredible.
17:15 and that is why you would also keep a few boxes of the "normal" ones ^_^
Thanks Dave! very helpful. Ive been looking to put more boom into my neighborhood show for a long time. Maybe my best bet would be to get an ATF license
Mitchell Crosby u dont have to its more work and cost more
They should just legalize flash broken breaks and salutes to an extent.
non-loadable aerial salutes should be legal because it'd be like any other cake/one time use tube. Just maybe a have a decibel limit?
@@thesprinklerguy2598 the decibel reading is always going to be very high. Flash powder burns 69 times faster than black powder....
I love the fact that we can still live in the city and get our hands on 1.3 fireworks because some of the stuff like Phantom is fairy garbage .. mom and pop stores are always the best why should they take away our freedom and the 4th of July and Pyro lovers everywhere because of certain mistakes that other people make should not be held responsible
big bob ...Thats not true. Phantom carries good cakes. You are just being closed minded
Phantom has some good products. But why pay their price. That place is a ripoff.
UPDATE!!!!!! Pro-Fireworks in Michigan now carries M25 Tannerite cakes. They are "200 Gram" cakes. Closest you will get to consumer salutes! (You will need to sign a release before purchasing, they pack a punch).
they are for "professional only" type and not for sale at retail because of the electric match attached even tho they are 1.4g dont ruin a good thing here....
big d Walked right in and bought some... these had both electric match and a fuse though.
yup they do i know ;)
Matt Barnett delete this comment lol the CPSC would love to find out more products to pull.
But they not even real salutes they a red wrap the real ver is orange so I dont kno why gota sign paper for fireworks
Really pisses me off when I see all these videos of people in California or on the west coast illegally possessing 1.3 product and they have no idea what they’re doing. Yet a person like me who’s actually educated on the workings and safety hazards of 1.3 product and would probably know how to use it properly can’t afford to get a license and invest in pro fireworks 🤷♂️
Me too bro, I'm.in the south and haven't found "the good stuff" since 2005 or so...
Im surprised Thunder Flash Roman candles are still around.
Picolo petes were always my favorite fireworks back home 😂🤷🏼♂️
Just the other day, CPSC busted like 49 different products for being overloaded! Raids of major importers, the works. Imo, these things had gotten a little TOO common. EVERYONE had them, they were ALL over youtube... Sooner or later the piper has to be paid.
Nice giving us some inside knowledge of whats going on in the states. thanks :)
I'm not out here trying to blow somebodies doors off,I'm here for a good time not a long time.
why is it that you can get 75g shells w/out a licence
I remember about 10 years back coming across some single shot 1.4g aerial salutes called Sammy Shots. Talk about an overload! Haven't seen anything like it since.
deepdixie1979 just got some
Like Thunder Stick rockets and there gone now. I have shoot a 1.3 cake that was rewraped as a 1.4. It's a famous one going around.
Surprised how long they lasted on the shelf’s before they were taken off.
This is the most comprehensive video regarding salutes. It's worth watching until the end. Salutes and overloads are easier to come by now, just be ready to pay out the ass if you want to purchase them. There is a legal way to get your hands on 1.3 g, but at the same time, there is no way to legally import or sell overloaded products. You said it perfect "sell people what they want, not what they need. Lots of serious pyros are out there who hunt these down every year.
Let's be honest, overloads have some of the most badass labels. Some appear to have no brand while other illegitimate brands put their logo on these items.
ShutUpNdFish209 thats not true people can get stuff for cheap as 14 bucks
About a dozen years they sold small silver salutes at some store in Indiana. You'd light them and they'd go up about a 100 feet or so and had a loud BOOM. They were sold 6 to a package and they were about the size of a regular 5" fountain. The next year they didn't have any (and were unable to get more). I haven't been able to get anything that loud since...
Yes, used to be everything good was in plain brown wrapper 1.3. Now a lot of what I see is labeled 1.4 with colorful packaging but they are absolutely 1.3
Laser blaster bottle rockets from many years ago were twice as loud as any other BR I have ever shot ever. Shot under ice they would pop holes in 2" thick ice. Only saw them for two years at an off the beaten path shop. If they were 1.3 that would explain a whole lot. Thanks for that revelation.
We bought a box of consumer salute artillery shells a few years ago. Came in a small 6 pack box with a tube. Real picture of Army guys on the box . The name was Artillery Fire or Artillery shells. Super loud.
Got some of those 5 years ago or so.
The short answer is yes
Very good video. I have a prime example in my stash video-salutes labeled as 1.4 torpedo shells haha. And in Hawaii, 3" titanium salutes are labeled "titanium crackers" or "dragon eggs", i guess to make it easier to import, illegaly, like you said.
Hey shhhhh noooooo names plz
I remember being back in the CZcams game about 6 years ago,back when there were only a few pyro accounts. Now a days kids ruin every good item because they like to post the damn picture and names of the item when they shoot it. That's why when u have these items you keep them to yourself.Not ask every swinging dick on CZcams what the name of it is and where did u get them from,because they will more than likely tell you. ATF makes accounts to get this info. Bam thanks a lot guys
I love your videos and they make so much sense
You can buy 1.3 salutes at almost every gun show down here in FL. I saw a 1.3 salute cake (100 shot) for $200
in england back in 2003 we add a rocket called a shock rockets bye spook fireworks and it held 70g of flash in each rocket a massive salute and u could bye them in shops ..all air bombs are band in england anything in england now that goes off with out colour and bangs is class as a air bom and are band now.... but u can bye 1.3 g in england in shops with out a licence...but in last few years weve bin getting European brands like klasek and other brands that av made fireworks like the olds days witch we can bye now
I understand now why you don't name the products I am a novice and it's all a new to me.
Mike B. Pyro it will take time.
Very informational love it thank you!
Looking at the videos coming out of Europe, especially from Eastern Europe.
As I recall from my childhood memories from New York City in the early 1970's.
These large modern day common European salutes seem to have more of a bang; appear more powerful then the old American; M80's, Super M80's, "Block Busters".
Great video Dave, very informational
I wish i could get these in the uk :(
Nice video, here in the UK we can have huge rockets, I have one at the moment called the "death star" by cosmic fireworks with I think 160g of NEC
They came from Wayne's World fireworks but I bought them from a friend who will remain anonymous I don't have a pyrotechnic license wouldn't even tell u if u were the fbi threatening to put me on the terrorist watch list all 3 inch morters come in boxes of 72 (12 6packs I get all types of shit u can't buy in the store unless u have a license however been thinking about getting my license but I have a storage problem they want u to have special storage containers which I'd have to invest in
Yes they do
I remember years ago I bought some canister shells called echo in the ear. Man those things were super over loaded. I was kinda pissed that it only came with 6 shells.
I love those shells. I lit off my last box of em this year.
Surprisingly they are legal!
Everyone is dirty in the business but someone with a record that's been clean for 15 years can't get a license and go straight.
It's a dumb world.
Redo video we need it
never had an issue consuming salute shells 1.4 or salute rockets!! there everywhere!!
Moretti Outdoors can u email where they are i live in Wisconsin
@@cityconference5130 lol
Dave I'm from PA and was thinking of getting my ATF&E license. With that license can I buy 1.4 here in PA with that license or am I screwed. Cause there r some nice 1.4 stuff you can put in a big show to add depth.
+Jesse weaver the Type 54 is only for 1.3.... Though some stores will sell to you becuase u have it, but no just because you have the Type 54 doesnt mean 1.4 is open for you automatically
And 8 years later.. lookie look.. ha
Yes there is I have bought a few cases of 3inch salutes in my time and there louder then the 2 inch salutes not by much but there louder
Where do you get em?
3" is alot louder than a 2". Difference is 3" goes way higher in the sky which cits down a little on the noise. Light them sidr by side on the ground and the difference is huge
Good subject! Also something to bring up is the people making or importing this stuff are only thinking about money, Not peoples safety. They make them cheep and sell them for lots of money.
Ya but remember we can't just go into the store and pick them up they have to be mislabeled or remark for us to get them secretly and that's why they cost so much they're not thinking about safety but remember we can't just go and get them that's why they have to be secretly remarked yes they are thinking about money but if a customer consumer salute shells already hard to get so the Chinese are trying to make it easier
It's true that these mislabeled items are not safe, I knowingly bought a single shot salute that was labeled as a fountain and in the fountain isle. The fuse in fountains is supposed to come out the top yet the fuse was on the bottom and literally said thunder King. Anyways some kid who thinks its a fountain will be close by these. Also the shells only went up about 20 feet and really packed a punch.
Ryan Durante they not more dangerous then regular stuff any firework u get away from
Gotta speak the lingo and prove that you know your stuff... There's always a box in the backroom or behind the counter... Every year they ban something I liked and then its back with a different package later... I'm waiting for my 54 to get mailed out.... I've found four 1.3G distributors near me... Not including ace and wolverine... They are kinda far for contingency any ways.. Thanks for suggesting that I get my permit
The atfe has flash powder classified as a high explosive, flash powder does detonate,those people under the impression it's not a high explosive should not be messing with it,that's why you can't buy serious salutes anymore,unless you know someone that makes them and knows wtf there doing,take 3g of 70/30 flash powder and 3g of dynomite and shoot them side by side,flash powder wins every time
he is rite yes and no they even have 2 inch i don't think that is 1.4 class i think its 1.3 some one correct me if im wrong also i have 1.75 salutes it is smaller. both boxes are mixed in with few color display shells to get past the check points you may get all salutes you may get few more color it dose vary with boxes
I heard you could get these imported fireworks from native American reservations out west
I have had those cones that blow. The little red one was called a happy cone and it was fuckin loud and scared the crap out of me.
If you want knowledge about fireworks laws in Skandinavian and Europe, I have some knowledge in the area especially Scandinavia. For example, we in Europe have a large illegal market online that you do not see in the US. Besides good information about how the laws in the United States works. Greetings from Sweden!
I believe our second amendment should protect all fireworks. Just don’t be foolish with them! 💪🇺🇸
Laser Ranger Roman Candles are bad boys
in 2012 i bought a box of kick ass donkey 1.1/4 shells Super loud.
I don't give a damn, if I find it I'm buying it..... damn this Government......
flashing thunder remeber them
I dont see a prob with it people buyin it we should be aloud to buy 1.75-3 inches no higher then that but i do understand the reason they ban the higher inchers
Thug life "500g" cake, has image of tupac on it. made in china. Huge salutes and sold as 1.4... i didnt weigh the powder buuuut....
In Canada we don't have firecracker, Rockets with sticks, missiles, reloadable shells and other stuff but we are allowed 800mg of flash or 2g of black powder in our air salutes. www.nrcan.gc.ca/explosives/publications/guidelines/9945#AB17
This is our guidelines for fireworks if you are interested
That pyro Canadian Canadian fireworks SUCK!
You don't have to answer but what I'm wondering is, would a 1.75 inch ball shell salute be more powerful than you everyday 60 gram canister such as Excalibur? Thanks and great video
You know the answer sir
Now there is lol
I just hope people practice safety and don't go crazy when doing them...I've seen even the super legal ones hurt people; not because they were overcharged or made poorly, but because kids do them who should not even be near aerials. Others act like jackasses when lighting them putting , usually putting mortar shells upside down purposely. """Asking for trouble""" Always use leather gloves and eye protection... good safety glasses pleeez ---! Be smart ;be safe ;be with hands and fingers? I have only been burned once by itty bitty screamer missle and good have put my eye out but hit arm left tiny scar ....
Even though I am a Christian, I do believe in the "theory" of Karma. Meaning, what goes around, comes around. The Bible states, you reap what you sow.
You go and tell on someone that is really none of your business, then sure enough someone is gonna tell on you for something also. Might not be right then, but it will be. Maybe it is something you have no idea you are even breaking the law (we all break laws each day unaware that we are).
Just my opinion. Thanks for the video
The firecrackers they plugged with drywall those are legal under EU law but not in all EU countries
Belgium, Spain Poland Czech Republic Italy(cobra6 look it up) its oke I'm from the Netherlands suck here I think this year banned firecrackers and only blackpowder was legal
Believe you and Me The Chains that can't Stand Metals in Pyro know this and will try every Way they Can to Regulate Competition out of Existence, so much Regulated Freedom just feels Like Control for your own good of Course, i want to cross the Tracks, send in those Fireworks they sound too Good, we are here to Ensure Crappy Fireworks, That's Freedom
Dave I have bought these "1.4 salutes" at a NON chain store. They look rewrapped. And they are disguised well. They're called N1000 noisy
Why comment the names of these items????
Carolina Pyro really brandon???
Lol why not? Btw that's not what it says on the label...
Alex Dry there's still some out there with that name. I'm not saying anymore about OL on here
Alex Dry I've had them in the past. that's an old labeling
i think every two generations should be given a chance to have air fireworks there will always be dumb ass people they just need to educate people about fireworks
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I just don't like u have to buy 72 of them who needs that meny
Jay Boss where u get that from
I had a string of fireworks tents and recall three produts that were overloads. Asschopper helicopters we're basically flying m-80s. Island of fire and man of fire we're cakes with a plywood she'll and base. They would jump 18inches of the ground with every shot. All gone the next year.
Im loving this "asschopper hellicopter" comment hahahah
YES if you put your own flash powder in them....lol.
You all are funny , they sell the white flash salute artillery shells . We got a box of them a few years ago.
Tony O'Shea yes there out there. you just have to find them.
I need to be legit legal an get some
Type of pyro license and how much they cost and how long does it take and
.@Whoop!
Actually sir! In this country the answer is no! But elsewhere yes! Learn what you are telling people!
bigdaddyboomboom He is in the United States, therefor the information would apply to said country. Your point is null.
Megaton..👍
Yeah...👍
Yes there were the Black Cat 1.4 silver salutes. Very comparable to the egg shaped 1.3g 3" titanium salutes with electric and viscous fuses that people get there hands on. People were throwing the 1.4g shells at each other and blowing stuff up with them so many injuries and lawsuits occurred and I heard they stopped shipping them to America all together now. Same thing with a rocket that just whistled loud and had a two inch ball salute on it. Haven't seen that since 2004.
My firework guy who guys to China yearly taught me how he chooses brands and how he orders manufacturing processes which was very cool. Your right about people adding a little somethin' somethin' to there items or using higher grade powder to give them more pop. It's done legally, illegally and that sometimes in that gray area..
I can make two 1 1/2" firecrackers using the same weight of flash powder to the micron and make one twice as loud as the other using a few techniques. The first is all in how the firecracker is rolled and the process used to assemble it. Tightly rolled firecrackers using more paper, or, using a type of paper that helps the powder ignite quicker will yield a higher sounding product. Second is looking at the flash powder itself. Is it old/moist/impure? Was it made using high quality precursors and how much O2 is available at time of detonation. I can drone on over the chemistry for hours but even before college he taught me how to spot good fireworks class a and b and how to get the crowd on their feet just using 1.4g fireworks and good old Visco and of course Quickmatch if it's available to you.
In my opinion and my experience buying and seeing folks selling a class above fireworks, and being asked if I want something the police can see and hear from miles away! It's bad experiences that upset me on why they would sell a guy smoking a cigarette something that could destroy the place and maybe more and ignore me. That changed when they saw me there spending a few hundred bucks and bringing different friends each trip starting after January when the new cakes would arrive. I got a lot of finale pieces that were "Indiana Unapproved" that were reasonable priced and made everyone in the neighborhood jealous! We had competitions and it was all in good fun.
It got to the point were I had a 50 percent discount on these items problem was there were usually not many in stock and many people were selling what's now 1.1g explosives like Block-Busters and true M-1000's. Homemade I was sure so I never messed with them. That 1.1g crap is nothing but trouble excluding 16 inch motors properly set up by pros with proper equipment also having the F.D. on stand by should be common sense at that level. That's what scares me about people and fireworks. A guy handed me a very large titanium salute and had now idea why it had two fuses going into one he couldn't see. He lit the plastic piece and threw it just as the charge went off. Luckily there was a second delay between the charge and the salute shell exploding and blowing a hole in his neighbors yard. We all yelled not to light it and take it somewhere safe but he didn't listen. He was drunk.
Those fireworks are what get a lot of people hurt or worse and caused a lot of damage and ruin it for the rest of us.To anyone buying 1.3g fireworks illegally or not following the rules even if you have a license (Yea some states are brutal I know!) just know not only can you end up in court facing fines/prison/jail even if you give up the guy who sold them to you and coroperate fully. That's no fun for anyone.
A small spark can set a forest on fire. Even a small ember can hide from you in a gutter and slowly catch fire when your back inside and can't see the smoke. Don't throw them into fires for crying out loud. Fire+motor=blue or red coals and pieces of wood on fire into the crowd!
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