DRIVING THE LAS VEGAS STRIP! Panasonic HC-VX870K vs. Sony HDR-CX405 Daylight & Low-light tests.
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Panasonic HC-VX870K vs. Sony HDR-CX405 Daylight & Low-light side-by-side comparison.
I have a Sony HDR-CX405 that I use for product videos, unboxing videos, etc (I'm a Photographer). I am marginally happy with it as it does produce nice videos in proper lighting, but it does not fair well in low light....too much noise (grain) for my needs.
I am going to keep it as a backup/2nd camera when I start creating my Filminutes, but for now, I am sold on the Panasonic HC-VX870K.
As I expected (and some of you may have already known), I see a huge difference in the Panasonic over the Sony. Again, I do like the Sony and will continue using it alongside my Panasonic, but overall, I think the Panasonic gets the win.
I am not doing this to bash the Sony...I am a Sony fan, and some of you may find it perfect for your needs...especially price wise...but for my professional video needs, I needed a bit more.
Hopefully my video gave you what you may have been looking for, and I hope I was able to help you make a decision.
I look forward to hearing from you.
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Great comparison, your commentary really helped. Thank you!
Thank you so much! Glad you liked the video. It was one of my firsts.
This video sold me on the Panasonic. You should get a commission! Excellent comparison
Thanks so much. I sold my Sony after recording this 😉
While the Panasonic has a little better picture, the Sony is about $700 cheaper.
Absolutely true! The Sony was my first camcorder purchase in years, and I fell for the okie-doke and bought into the hype, instead of the actual camera features.
I love my Panasonic and use it all the time, and even my Canon G50.
I sold the Sony weeks after I made this video ;-)
Great job! Thank you!
Thank you for the kind words, and for watching. I hope you'll subscribe for more.
A more fair comparison would have been the Panasonic HC-180k vs. the Canon CX405 as they are much more closely priced cameras.
I wish I had access to both to give it a try.
The Sony looks surprisingly good despite its tiny sensor. It's not a surprise that Panny beat Sony out of the park with a much bigger sensor. Bigger sensors tend to capture more light and have better dynamic range. The 1/2.3 sensor can be found in prosumer cameras
I'd take the Panny for the mic jack
Being that it was my first camcorder, I was pleasantly surprised...until I messed around and tried the Panny. After that, the Sony had to go.
im surprised so many people say sony. if you look at the left at night all the lttering is alot crisp and clear and not blurry. also the fact you can go into 4k if u want will make the image even better. i just purchased the panasonic for 600, after tax and memory card came to 700.
Yeah, I'm blown away at how they can't see the highlights are blown out with no details. I love my Panasonic and use it weekly. I hope you enjoy yours the same.
Trying to upgrade to panasonic! Been wanting one for awhile!
I love mine! I use it for all of my b- roll, unboxing and cooking channel videos.
I believe the seven seventy has a larger sensor as well
Whatd you use for the sony settings at night? My autos look have amounts of noise at night
I actually had them both on auto. The Strip is pretty brightly lit, so it made all the difference. When I would use it at night, away from the strip... under regular street lights, the noise made the footage unusable. Unfortunate down side of the Sony.
this is very good for me considering i have the sony hdr cx405 and trying to upgrade to the hc vx870k
I think you'll love the detail the VX870K brings.
What do you think about sharpness and ibis?
405 is full hd and 870 is a 4k handycam...
I was honestly so disappointed in the Sony 405 that I sold it. I now use the Panasonic mainly as my B-Camera and my Canon G50 as my main...and I love them both. The ONLY issue I have with the Panasonic would be the manual controls. If I choose IRIS, I can control the aperture, but when I select shutter speed, it tends to override the IRIS I previously set.
I have to set the shutter speed first, then the IRIS, which I don't have to do with my Canon G50.
Maybe it's still user-error on my part, but it is a little annoying.
panasonic is better in low-light, but thank you for this review. Glad to see some night-time footage!
Thank you! Surprisingly, I am getting a lot of comments saying the Sony is better, but to me it's obvious in the highlights.
I feel this is out of balance with the price and specifications
I agree, but it was more for me to see a difference, plus I saw so many saying the Sony was so great....I had to compare side by side so hopefully others wouldn't make my mistake. I shoulda just bought the Panasonic, but my Sony is now used for B roll.
What Camcorder is good for online live videos?
I'd imagine any camcorder or DSLR that has wifi capabilities... or a port for a wifi dongle. That way, you can "go live" in your CZcams channel directly. You can even use your smartphone, depending upon the camera quality. There are lots of people who livestream on CZcams using their phones.
Thanks for that video, the Sony is the clear winner, much more dynamic range and low light sensitivity, especially at low light, the Sony uses shorter shutter at night, so less blur.!
You didn't find that the Sony highlights were overblown? The white cube building was completely washed out with hardly any detail, where the Panasonic maintained balanced brightness and detail. Almost every white sign was blown out on the Sony.
@@Ahm-Creative I think that it is less of a problem, as long as the detail is there which it looks like in the Sony footage and is just a question of exposure. I agree that the Panasonic has less cranked up colors, but both of these issues are fixable in post. Could be the CZcams recreatioon that doesn't do the Panasonic justice?
@@Tore_Lund even with CZcams doing its thing, I still feel the Sony was a tad overblown. Not enough to destroy the footage, but I guess I'm more interested in having better footage out of camera. With both cameras being set to Auto, I still feel the Panasonic held the advantage.
@@Ahm-Creative I have a confession: I am a sucker for the Exmore R sensor, I adore its color rendering, However, with a sensor this small, it is more like a cell phone or action cam with a zoom lens, and I suspect Sony are cutting corners, by not putting a bigger CMOS sensor in there?
@@Tore_Lund agreed... I've been a Sony fan in most everything they produce, but yes this sensor might be too small.... which is why I went with the Panasonic and Canon G50
Did you try adjusting the white balance?
To keep things as even as possible, I set both camcorders to Auto.
Great comparison and helps me make a decision towards getting my next camcorder. I am also looking to change my video job to a dedicated camcorder to simplify the on-site work. I know that you got a Canon G50. How do you feel the vx870 compares to the G50?
Thank you for the kind words Darren, and I'm glad my video helped you.
Yes, I did get a Canon G50 and just in case you haven't seen my latest review in bright sunlight, indoor low light and another trip down the Vegas strip at night, but I'll add the link at the bottom.
As for the VX870K, I still have it and use it often. I mostly use it on my other channel (I have a just for fun cooking channel called I Really Can Cook) and it's great for me there...but don't judge it's performance based on that channel...I barely put any effort into lighting...but it serves me well....AND, I use it exclusively for my unboxing videos on this channel, BUT ONLY IN THE BEGINNING AND ACTUAL UNBOXING OVER THE DARK KITCHEN TABLE, then I switch to the G50 for the rest of the review.
Why, because I find the G50 to be better in low light, better using studio lights and it seems to give me a more realistic recording of my skin, and background colors. Not that the 870 is bad in any way...I just feel the G50 is better.
If I had never heard of the G50, I wouldn't have considered anything else, but when I did find it, I couldn't resist.
So, ultimately, I use the G50 for my paid work, and the VX870K for all other purposes.
Here is the link to my latest G50 full review. If you haven't seen it, I think/hope you'll enjoy it:
czcams.com/video/EVofc6GYp7k/video.html
@@Ahm-Creative excellent! I did see your g50 video. I'm considering going to the g50 personally as I am going to do some documentary work. I'll be following both of your channels.
Keep up the good stuff sir!
@@darrenodden7814 thank you so much, and I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and I think you'll really really enjoy the G50.
If you can find a 870 at Best Buy, I'd say give it a try, and if you don't like it, return it for the G50. I did that with the 980 Panasonic (I think that was the model number).
@@Ahm-Creative I'm also looking at the vx981k
@@darrenodden7814 I tried a few other Panasonic camcorders (can't remember the model numbers) but I think it was a 980 or 981, and maybe a 600 series, but I still found the G50 to be better on all accounts.
I still use and enjoy my 870K, but that G50 is a cut above in my opinion.
I mean there is like a 600 dollar price difference, so I mean I think a little lower quality for the Sony is to be expected.
You're absolutely right, but when I was searching for a camcorder, the Sony was pretty popular... and I don't know why...I wasn't a fan, which is why I moved to the Panasonic, and now Canon G50
Will the sony hdr-cx405 work for indoor dark rides at Disneyland?
Possibly, but with the sensitivity so high in dark areas, you might end up with a lot of noise/grain in your footage.
Even with the Canon G50 or Panasonic Hc-vx870k, you'll still get noise in the footage, and those are both larger sensor 4K cameras.
@@Ahm-Creative Noise is probably the least of my worries, as long as it works. I wanna make sure i'm not spending money on that camera for nothing lol.
@@A07Nick lol if that's the case, all it needs is a tiny bit of light to focus, and you're all set.
You know Sony lands it with the crisper image and stable shot but the 50x optial zoom and the amazing night time quality honestly kinda knock it out of the park.
You think so!? I thought the Sony blew all the highlights out, while the Panasonic compensated perfectly, still maintaining great low-light balance. I sold the Sony and kept, and currently use the Panasonic for all my outdoor car audio videos.
1. Wording was a bit off. I meant to say Panasonic does it best for the optical zoom and low light performance.
2. I thought this was the V180K at the time. My mistake.
Thank you, very well done and informative video. I'll take the Sony any day .... visually maybe a bit hotter than the Panasonic, but much crisper and, at night, I'll take all the brightness I can get. Thanks again, very helpful!
Glad you liked the video and found it helpful. I've actually found the Sony to have more noise... even when using studio lights. I'm new to video so it might be me, but I've found the Sony to blow out the highlights along the strip, vs the Panasonic retaining detail.
@@Ahm-Creative I'll cede your point about details for sure. That said, looking at it again, the Panasonic looks muddy while the the Sony looks crisp, has snap. Given my work, the flames, the lights, etc., I think it's the extremes that matter to me. The subtle details not so much. Just subscribed, thanks again for some really nice, informative work.
@@news603redux I'm surprised you see it that way.... I'm really disappointed in the Sony in anything other than bright outside daylight, but again I'm new... and I totally understand how it varies by need. Thanks for subscribing... I'll try to keep the videos coming.
@@Ahm-Creative Really no different than Stevie Ray Vaughan versus Eric Clapton, lol. Whether eyes or ears, at the end of the day it's all subjective, all just taste.
@@news603redux lol true. I was asked to make an ambient light video, and am in the process as we type. I should have the short comparison up in an hour or so.
nice work. i want the panasonic for filming UFO's. i saw the v785 for 300$ it has the same sensor as the vx870 $600 open box condition . brand new the cameras are $600 for v785 and $900 for the vx870. DSLR's cannot zoom in past 4x with autofocus unless you buy a $2000 lense. im still trying to decide
I love my VX870K....it does everything I need it to do, but I'm not sure about the tracking speed. I don't film fast things often, but when I tried to film my dog running, it was ok, but not UFO tracking fast.
I also have a Canon G50 and I used it to record my dog running, and it tracked faster than the VX870K. Not by a whole lot, but that extra speed matters.
Dude is there a lot of noise on the panasonic in low light? Im thinking of getting this. I liked this video, how about some more? Thanks
I've actually found the Panasonic to be much better in low light. I think the Sony overcompensated too much, causing it to blow out the lights in the signs. I'm new to video and still learning, but I'm liking it much better than the Sony which has become my backup camera.
I just uploaded a couple of short videos to my channel using the Panasonic, but nothing low light. I'll do another soon now that I'm becoming more familiar with the cameras ;-)
@@Ahm-Creative Thanks dude. It would benefit people to see what its like vlogging indoors too with low ambient light, like at night for example (with no sunlight coming through the windows, just electric lights). That way we can see if its a grainy image or not. That would really be beneficial for people because not many videos do it (panasonic 4k wise anyway) Anyway, loving your channel dude. keep it up
@@TheyCallMeJesse thank you. I'll definitely give it a shot. I'm new to learning video lighting... similar but different compared to photography, but I'm up for it. I'll probably give it a try tonight, or tomorrow. Stay tuned.
@@TheyCallMeJesse I just posted an ambient light comparison video. Not the best, but I wanted to show you what it's like indoors. Hope you enjoy. I think the video I did here shows better performance, but this was filmed using video lighting, and ambient. czcams.com/video/32A_5PviO48/video.html
@@Ahm-Creative Oh thanks I'll check it out now....
exactly what im looking for, Gonna sell the A7iii for this (hope not regretting it)
It all comes down to your intended usage. I love my camcorders, and will not look back.
My main is my Cannon G50, with my VX870K as my "B" and backup camera.
@@Ahm-Creative I like the workflow, straight forward night shooting, the zoom, the mobility, with handycam, but the depth of slr is more lively. Cant afford to carry and care for them both. Gonna be a big output change to ditch the mirrorless. Still cant decide though😅
@@MALBACHinc I completely understand your position. I like to use my DSLR for still photos and nothing more, which is why I got the camcorders, but both produce great video
@@Ahm-Creative thankyou for youe feedback. I guess a cheaoer crop sized mirrorless for backup is
Good enough. Thanks again
I've been using the Sony FDR-AX33. I damaged it. I purchased the Panasonic HC-VX870K as a replacement. I hope it does as good, if not better, in low light. I was impressed with the FDR-AX33's low-light capability.
I never got a change to play with any other Sony cameras, but from what I've seen, they seemed to blow out highlights in low light, but that could just be me.
As for the Panasonic, I love it in low light. It is bright enough to capture the scene, while also keeping the highlights detailed, and for that reason, I think/hope you'll love it.
The panasonic looks more synthetic than the sony. It's got this shade of light purple to its imagery. I was not sure of the clear winner until the last scenery of your apartment complex with low light. The sony is clearer and crisp. The Panasonic was crisper while you were driving but had this tad of purple to it. So for low light SONY, for close to reality SONY but for crispy looks I will give the Panasonic esp. when you were driving. Have you used the canon vixia r800 and can you make a comparism if you have? Thanks
Wow! I really thought the Panasonic beat the Sony in all areas, except maybe my apartment complex, but even then I think the Sony had more noise. And maybe the Panasonic had a more synthetic look at the time because I possibly shot in HD 60fps (was totally new to using the camera)...so I'm not even sure they were shot in the same format.
I was considering the Vixia R800 but ended up with the Vixia G50...and have been in love with it since.
I actually made a video of the Strip with the G50, but lost the footage (rookie mistake)....but the G50 performed very well on the strip...even better than the Panasonic, but honestly, not by much. It is a great camera though.
@@Ahm-Creative I was shocked that the Sony beat Panasonic in the last test. The colors weren't washed out and seemed more vibrant. Previously, a 3 chip would retain that much color
@@video2000ification the Sony seemed to blow out the highlights to me, and the blues seemed more cyan to me at times.
sony for low light...i bought a panasonic and had alot of difficulty in low light
I will say the Panasonic does bring in some noise in low light, but the Sony blew all of the detail out of the highlights, so I had to let it go.
it is not an Apple to apple comparisson.. Panasonic has a higher price and specs than Sony..
Very true. But for someone who was brand new to the video game, this type of comparison could be helpful.
Yeah he should put sony camcorder on that same price level of panasonic.... And you will find out Sony will destroy panasonic
My Sony is horrible and low light. And it's very grainy most the time. I am thinking about trading it in for the 770.
I actually returned my Sony shortly after filming this video for that exact reason. I kept the Panasonic and use it for most of my CZcams videos.
@@Ahm-Creative I just got the Panasonic 785.
This is not my main channel I will be using. On thebrettmizer channel Kind of anxious about starting a channel, but my channel will be knock your socks off. I'll be covering everything from finances. Gig jobs, lifestyles, random skits. Some light comedy. Since finances and gig jobs can get a little bit boring so I want to mix it with some fun entertainment.
@@BrettsCorner92 Congrats bro! That sounds awesome! I look forward to it, and I wish you much success. And don't feel anxious...just dive right in. You'll never know how successful it'll be until you start.
@@Ahm-Creative I have a few sample videos and there are nowhere near the quality of a Mr. Beast. I think I'm holding the mark too Bar too high for myself.
$648 vs. $198, I really can't understand the point of this comparison.
The point of the comparison was to see if the Sony lived up to all the hype, and aside from the obvious that the Panasonic SHOULD win hands down, there are a few folks commenting that the liked the Sony better...
@@Ahm-Creative Interesting. May i ask what movie format was used with the Sony? XAVC or AVCHD? Thank you.
@@rinoldix I want to say it was XAVC... which I believe is the highest setting possible. And I had both cameras set to their "Scene" modes, to keep them as "equal" as possible.
But, like you, I agree the Panasonic is way better... which is why I sold the Sony... but these were my first modern camcorders, and I read so much more positivity for the Sony, I didn't hesitate... but when matched up against the Panasonic, the Sony had to go... lol.
Maybe it was me... user error, but I didn't feel the same excitement for the Sony that so many have had.
@@Ahm-Creative I am not an expert but at first i was using AVCHD since the card i had then was SDHC which doesn't allow to record XAVC, but when I purchased an SDXC card and switched to XAVC...wow, the difference was amazing, specially in low light conditions...that's why I asked :)
@@rinoldix you think my footage may have been taken in the wrong quality setting? I would have to find the footage when I have time, but I swear I had it at its highest quality... lol.
I don't think the Sony is trash by no means, but even you go side by side with a 4K camera, you can usually easily see the difference.
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What a terrible comparison between a camera (panasonic at about $900) and a sony at about $200. Really? Of course the more expensive camera will get a better overall rating. Waste of time watching this one. In my opinion the Sony won hands down for offering a budget camera with great features for the price...
Haha first you say it's a terrible comparison.....$900 to $200, then you say it was a waste of time, yet you watched it, then after all that, you chose the SONY!? C'mon brotha.... wrong decision for such an "obvious" difference.