What the most "Cheaty" way to Paint Miniatures?
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- Some miniature painting techniques and products yield such great results they almost feel like cheating. We chat through some of our favourites and rank them in order of how "cheatey" they feel. Do you have a favourite painting hack that feels a bit naughty when you do it? Let us know!
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
03:50 - Drybrushing
10:23 - Panel Liner
18:35 - Dirty Down Rust
24:38 - Airbrushing
35:59 - Contrast Paints
51:27 - Zenithal
01:02:30 - Slapchop
01:11:31 - Dipwash
01:21:24 - NMM
01:25:08 - Glazing
01:29:43 - Wet Blending
01:38:10 - Quick winge about WH+
01:43:27 - 'Eavy Metal - Zábava
"There's no cheating in minipainting"
Bloody hell, you can't just end Vince's career like that!
😄
Airbrushing contrast paint is the ultimate rage bait.
It's so good!
Why wouldn’t you?! It’s thin enough already!
For painting my imperial fists, I did have a crack airbrushing imperial fist contrast paint but it gunked up my brush quick smart, and I got a very similar result spraying Vallejo game yellow ink over the underpainting without all the hassle with the brush.
Who would rage against that? It's just like airbrushing with inks.
Over a metallic undercoat. 🤩
Using slapchop is so dirty that after doing it I have a cigarette
😂😂😂🚬
What feels like cheating? Paying a professional to do it for you
I’m a figure painter who enjoys all the communities enthusiasm around painting. I suggest the community to look outside the arena model painting. For example, at the “feminine settings” of a nail salon they use something called a Jelly Stamp. It functions in part with a template engravings. Any symbol you want is engraved into a sheet of metal. The artist applies a dapple of paint then with a card spreads the pigment over the engraved surface. The artist then takes a Jelly Stamper which is crystal clear onto the readied paint. The Gelly Stamper can then apply that paint PERFECTLY onto the convex surface of your choice.
From the same nail salon arena of painting, they have metallic paints suspended in uv resin . These paints can be manipulated with magnets to achieve INSANE effects. One such effect involves lenticular holographic stickers painted over with translucent metallic uv resin paints , imagine a firecracker hologram exploding and the metallic paint shimmering like the fire dissolving into smoke.
Image transference, an acrylic polymer emulsion like a high gloss medium will take colored laser printer images and apply them to any surface hence you can print a flesh tone apply the medium to the figure allow to dry and remove paper with water and through a chemical process the printed flesh tone will go where ever you wish and look like perfect stippled flesh. The primer base of the model ought to be white so light can pass through the laser printer paint to bounce off the white primer and illuminate the skin.
I wish you all the best
Brilliant comment, thanks so much.
Ok, I’m about to do a deep dive on nail art. This all sounds amazing, even if I never used it on a model.
I learned a bunch of new techniques from this haaha
My Golden Demon Silver winner in 2006 had drybrushing on it ;)
Nice one man!
My peronal "should be illegal" tier would be enamels (streaking grime) and oil washes
If you do a follow-up, may I suggest -
1. Precision masking tape (or other masking techniques like blu tac)
2. Using Air paints with a regular brush so you don't have to bother thinning them.
3. Not painting the bottom of vehicles, or only priming them.
4. Buying second hand minis that have been decently base coated then just adding shades and highlights.
5. Slapping 3 colours on and calling them "battle ready".
6. Paying for someone else to paint them.
7. Not painting or assembling your minis and leaving them stacked in boxes in an ever-growing monument to your lack of executive function.
Nice Alien t-shirt❤ and the old wargamers used to put the models in a jig at the end of a power drill to spinn them around after the quick shade so it removed the excess. Ben Comets invented loaded brush and is the master at it
Jumping in on "Translucent paints", I'd call them stain and shade paints. Inks don't darken as they pool, they saturate, which can actually BRIGHTEN recesses. Contrast and speed paints however act as shade in the recesses and stain the flat areas.
Panel liner - clean up with white spirit, won't remoce acrylic paint. Also try running white spirit in the panel lines then follow up with the panel liner.
Completely agree. I'd add that making your own oil wash with oil paints and white spirits is better than panel liner.
I've tried both with similar results, just practice I guess. Good shout about running spirits in first!
Nice one blokes. That was an interesting insight of a lot of what goes on with styles and terminology ... cheers 😄👍
Yh I'm a beginner when it comes to airbrushing, originally I bought it to paint my scale model cars then cars and gundam, now I only use it for priming
Here are my favourite cheats you haven't already mentioned:
- rattlecan a blue or purple shadow colour under contrast paints
- beyond nuln oil -> oil washes
- oil paint blending
Good shout.
Every time I listen to your show while hobbying it applies to something I’m doing at that moment. This time it’s the peeling of airbrushed acrylic paint after applying oil/mineral spirits wash on some terrain. The paint was coming off so easy it was frustrating! Definitely putting a gloss varnish down to protect layers as I go. Especially for terrain that gets handled more.
“Can we fix it NO ITS FU#%ED!” Fav quote of the show love it, keep up the good work. You keep me going 4am painting session.❤️❤️❤️
Another great show guys 👍
I haven't used the tin or dip method in a long time but I've been using Quickshade as my wash/shade for over a decade now (basically since it came out I think?) and I'm so used to it that I wouldn't really bother with anything else's. Learning it definitely involved some very shiny and overly browned Napoleonics that look rougher in hindsight every day, though.
Dirty Down rust - straight to jail
I am at the airbrush section of the video, but I found a tiny airbrush kit on amazon that has a small compressor (like, two hard drive stacks on each other big) because I have no space either. I love it, have a lot of fun with!
For the technique, I thik stippling is my "should be illegal" : I tried it on my tanks after seeing Richard Grey video on a Death Guard tank, and a technique that make me feel like I am as good as him should not existe ! ^^ otherwise, I just tried painting with acrylic ink too, and that feels like a aughty trick ! always a pleasure to listen to you guys!
Very good point ☝️ we'll add stippling to the list. Glad you're enjoying the airbrush!
I've done metallic zenithal. With colored glazes over it and working from a colored paint mixed with metallic to pure silver.
"We haven't got much time so this will be a short one"
2 hours later.... :)
Yeah that’s us.
How about the old school cheat of just leaving the metal bare for metallics, not quite as effective today though lol
2 brush blend is - one colour - go in with 2nd clean damp brush and feather the one colour out over a surface
What was so telling to me is that you started with what the technique or tool is then had to explain that to do it really well it took a lot more. I am in the camp that nothing is cheating (which I suspect you three are as well) and it’s a journey of discovery how a tool, product, or technique can enrich your hobby. Really enjoyed the breakdown!
Thanks great comment.
Anyone complaining about techical mini paint products had better been mixing all their own colors from Cyan Magenta and Yellow with white and black.
It's all about using different tools to achieve a desired result. And as you said, as people practice with the tool it feels less cheaty.
Are decals are cheating and where would you rank designing and producing your own decals?
Great question, we’re gonna circle back to this subject soon. We’ll try and talk about decals.
Glazing? More like _TINTING_ . Coz you’re adding a tint. A glaze is more like what you do in baking - but now I have a sudden knack for Krispy Kreme…
Pat, regarding your pale and insipid Kroot - are you priming in a cool colour like white/light grey? I think they look better with a warmer basecoat like Wraithbone applied in a wider zenithal over a darker primer, and then a regular zenithal of white on top.
Considering buying some Posco pens and getting my daughter to colour in the details on my sprayed terrain pieces!
I plan to do Necrons by just spraying a magnesium all over, then spray a silver from above, then spray white ink for lights and then a green clear over the white.
Sounds like a good recipe!
I'm now only a few gundam off 80 in my collection, my intention was to build and paint them all so far I've only painted 3 😂
I think panel lining bleeds out more after glossing as gloss fills in the lines. I build gundam and should be panel lining them but just enjoy building the next
Coat D'arms still do a dip wash equivalent. Dark and light brown
Ross try some of the 1/100 scale gunpla kits. They are super fun to put together. My personal recommendation would be the Barbatos Lupus Rex?(I think I'm remember that correctly) it's from Iron Blooded Orphans and has a very robust skeleton that should give you good fun when building.
Or cool gundam kit in general is the Master Grade Dynames Kit
I'm using contrast over a metallic base but having to do three layers to get the effect / colour I want, so Geoff, challenge accepted!
Excellent-Geoff
Drinking game for this video: Drink every time Ross flips the bird. 🤣
Without learning how to use my airbrush (H&S Ultra) I would not be able to paint the chapter I chose without losing the will to live (Celebrant chapter).
NMM is batman tier, along with traditional painting. slap chop and og contrast is opposite end. and airbrush is middle ground
If they invent a paint gun that paints a mini to tts in one shot I’d get one for rank and file minis leaving characters etc to paint manually, as I like painting but have far too many 😊
Love Ross’ attention to detail, but lord almighty he argued every definition in this 😂 As I write this he just spoke about glazing, then straight in to wet blending and all the different definitions. Maybe nail down the definitions prior to filming or just use the terms in the commonly acceptable definitions? 😂
Great vid. Thanks.
sorry, it was intentional. I was playing this part for the sake of exposition so we avoided comments like "what do you mean by that" or "that's not glazing, this is glazing". Maybe I played the role too hard.
So glazing is like homeopathic painting?
Hahahahaha, amazing 😂
Ben Komets uses loaded brush a lot
Layering - adding layers of paint that are progressively a different shade to give a blend.
Glaze - thin/transparent layers, added in a way to concentrate paint progressively so that you have a blend.
The best definition I read so far... To be honest I had to read it two times before it made sense, but after that it sounds trivial to describe them so.
I've never used Dirtydown Rust, but when others have it always looks out of scale to me.
I’m glad you said that, cause it something I’ve thought from time to time but couldn’t quite nail my opinion down - Geoff
@@thepaintingphaseit was originally formulated for movie props and it comes in much bigger pots for the film industry which might explain why it doesn’t look as right at 28/32mm.
I would love to see you guys get some pro’s in to do these techniques with you now!
It sounds like you aren’t using dips correctly. You are supposed to shake most of the dip wash off (I actually use a drill to whip it off). Could be wrong.
Great vid gents.
Ross is cheating his way to likes with that t-shirt #AlgorithmCheatingAttire
The worlds most confusing tier list. But Zenithal the first time you do it it definitely feels like you have cheated.
We love a convoluted tier.
I think it's great for just being able to see the models details with my poor vision haha
we love being a bit naughty
Metal space marines with a zenithal. I'm not sure it'll be quite what Geoff is thinking, but there's a video of Marco's where he based some bladeguard with either chrome or silver, then uses a (iirc) a magenta ink from a low angle and tamiya clear red from a high angle.
Re Dipping, if you have ever tried to paint 200-400 15/18mm miniatures to assemble an army the week before a tourney, Dipping was an absolute cheat. It doesn't work for 28mm-32mm modern minis, but for the less frenetically detailed metal minis of the 70s, 80s and 90s, block colours followed by a dip allowed you to get an army on the table that at least didn't look two dimensional.
Dipping and even slapping on a wash was very much a quick and easy way of getting minis finished to tabletop standard
I also think you used your current skill level and accumulated experience of painting as the POV for the ratings, whereas the majority of painters are at a level where the advanced techniques are not within grasp - so perhaps a bit of over-thinking the question came about. I did enjoy the podcast though. I remember the original articles by John Blanche where he talked about using Inks as glazes rather than as washes and lining. I always thought of glazing like a pottery glaze where it enhanced the depth of colour and layering was more using triad like systems without wet blending.
I think the issue I have is that some of the terminology is the same but applied to a different technique, so for someone who was painting minis in the 70s and 80s, glazing and layering might be different techniques compared to those used today with the same names. From my perspective, after about 10 years away from painting, and very much new to modern miniature sculpts and the size of 28mm/32mm figures, a lot of this is stuff I'm having to learn from scratch.
One final point: the context of what your end-goal of painting detrmines how involved any technique can be: Are you painting for the Camera lens/painting competition or for the three foot rule? That will determine what techniques are viable.
Good comment, thanks for your input - Geoff
No such thing!
Heres a conversation I'd love to have been part of
Using "Damn right" instead of "Downright" *should* be illegal!
😂🤣😂
Freehand & transfer sheets
Most cheaty.for 3 color
Double rattle can, one dark one light
pick out metallic detals
Single color eyes.
Super bonus effort - paint the pouches brown.
Nah brah that is amateur levels of cheating. Master class.
Pay a professional.
😂🤣😂
13:47 - 14:15 👀
Need more power points.
No talk of decals?
We had so many options (that included decals), we may need to do another show on the subject.
Hmmmmm.......sacrilicious
Is “Jeff” joining you permanently?
Do you mean Ross? Jeff is OG.
Zenithal highlighting is a CON!!
In defence of "Dip Wash" I live in scotland. The grimy wet look effect is very realistic for what i see outside the window...
😂🤣😂
I know this is all supposed to be a bit of a lark. Not to the hosts, but others who don't hold these views as a joke: If you think there is a "cheat" way to paint, you are thinking about this entire thing all wrong. There are no painting police or painting laws. The idea that you need to work super hard with old techniques or expensive equipment to "deserve" a good looking painted model is - not just wrong, but rather idiotic. Just a strong demonstration of "not getting it".
Edited to clear up my hastily typed comment
I think you may inadvertently discovered what this episode was, in the first 13 words of your comment. The grading system alone, leans into the tongue in cheek nature and Pat said in the first 2 mins that ‘no technique is cheating’. I hope that explains our thinking behind this light hearted video. Have a great day!
I think when they say a technique is “cheaty” they mean it gives good results and is relatively quick. The idea being to get the same or similar effect you previously had to do tedious techniques. Therefore the newer and quicker techniques feel like cheating compared to the previous standard way.
Not that these techniques are actually cheating and you should feel bad for doing them or should go out of your way to not do them.
I hope that cleared things up a bit. Cause I really did not get the same impression that you did
@@TheBugB I see that as usual tone does not carry well in text. Yes, I am aware as I said - It's a lark. A joke. A laugh. The hosts are not being serious.
However as we live in modern in times, with the lovely concept of "Schrodinger's ..." jerk lets say. There are in fact people who play the the concept of this very video for serious. Folks who talk of needing to "bully" other players into painting their models for example (their choice of words, not mine), and occasionally make comments very much like in this video but not in jest.
If you find that hard to believe, I suggest you read up on dark souls "fans" and the lengths they will tell people the correct way to play their own single player game. There are absolutely people who extend that behavior to the warmini hobby.
It's to those folks that the after the lark bits I said were addressed but I can see that that bit was not made clear enough to you, or the hosts. The hosts who yes, quite clearly state that they are just joking around in the beginning of the video, and then made the effort to make a clarifying reply to me just to be sure. My error in communication, perhaps for being to short, quick, and imprecise with my statements I typed out. Hopefully my intent is now more clear. Apologies to hosts if they took my comment as accusing them of not caring. I will be editing the comment to make it more clear (since many random people will not always read these replies).
@@jamiehuebsch that's fair it's incredibly hard to portray tone or any nuance really over text. I think your totally right though that those people exist (and are not fun to be around). I mean they exist in the gaming side of miniature gaming, makes sense “that guy” exist in the hobby side too.
@@thepaintingphase BugB's comments made it clear how you likely read my initial comment, so as I hope you can see in the following replies I apologize for the accidental accusation as it were if that was how you read it. I just recently saw how sloppily I wrote it.
Streaking grime is cheating