Ukraine War: Russia, the United States, and the Nature of Imperialism

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  • čas přidán 8. 03. 2022
  • As the world enters a new phase of major power conflict, it is crucial to understand the character of the Russian government and the role it plays on the world stage. Is Russia an imperialist power, equivalent to countries like the United States, France or the UK? How has the imperialist world system been set up - and is Russia in the club, or out?
    Brian is joined by Ben Norton. He is a journalist and editor of Multipolarista. You can find his work at BenNorton.com.
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  • @Walter-vi3vh
    @Walter-vi3vh Před 2 lety +38

    Ben Norton, the whole beast. Political education/science at its best.

  • @MrSardoz
    @MrSardoz Před 2 lety +9

    "Never be afraid to change your mind" (Tim Leary 1972). Yall changed my mind. Thanx for the imperialism lesson.

  • @nehrumotiram1941
    @nehrumotiram1941 Před 2 lety +31

    I think China played a more responsible role in handling the situation in Ukraine and Russia

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Před 2 lety +3

      Some statements felt a bit backstabby tbh, but I presume that's to buy plausible deniability, and that in coordination with their Russian allies. So...good!

  • @Mr13FNG
    @Mr13FNG Před 2 lety +19

    Gotta love Ben, God bless him. Just wind him up and watch him go. Brian got winded at the end it was hilarious

  • @holgol00
    @holgol00 Před 2 lety +14

    Ben Norton!!! Nice!

  • @SeaDrive300
    @SeaDrive300 Před 2 lety +72

    Ben Norton, 4:45 to 14:35: one of the most brilliant expositions I have ever heard on modern-day Russia and its place in the world. Definitely have to listen to that clip a few more times...

    • @rodgerasai
      @rodgerasai Před 2 lety +1

      Yes, but he needs to look up the definition of "briefly" and not sprinkle it about with reckless abandon. The lengthy discourses are very good, but are tarnished with what turn out to be false promises of "briefly".

    • @antediluvianatheist5262
      @antediluvianatheist5262 Před 2 lety +4

      @@rodgerasai Cope.

    • @DuncanMMcFarlane
      @DuncanMMcFarlane Před 2 lety

      @@rodgerasai Very true - he adds in lots of random stuff about "i'm going to write an article on this" etc making the video about 5 times as long as it needs to be - i gave up watching

    • @rodgerasai
      @rodgerasai Před 2 lety

      Not to be misunderstood (I'm a patron after all). I don't mind the length - just think one way to improve the listening experience is to not to prepare the listener for a short spiel when it won't be.

  • @TheFirstAnnuals
    @TheFirstAnnuals Před 2 lety +96

    What a great episode! I was so excited to hear Ben on the show and I appreciate the amount of work that went into putting this together. The analysis presented here is well needed and I can't wait to share it with my friends.

    • @robertburatt
      @robertburatt Před 2 lety +2

      An adult american population endlessly disappointed, endlessly frustrated, and endlessly (and easily) misled by unaccountable, hostile government administrations and corporate media for decades and decades~and they Never learn. This is an adult population far more suited to monsters holding high political office like the kind in government and business still in historical memory~BUT certainly NOT an adult population anywhere near fit for a real democracy!

    • @klauskinski5969
      @klauskinski5969 Před 2 lety

      @@robertburatt well see it that way. nazis now flock to ukraine to get trained/funded and fight and if they come back they will find usa and europe in economic circumstances similiar to 1920-1930 and repeat the same shit and if this time usa doesnt have a honest general it will turn completly turn right. after that the goverments will have the ideology and will to fight with russia and china no matter the cost.

    • @robertburatt
      @robertburatt Před 2 lety

      @@klauskinski5969
      And add in the likely mindless drift to the republican party in both the mid~term and 2024 presidential elections, and it appears like a "perfect storm"~unless there is brewing something not seen or underreported to counter this american totalitarian drift.

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Před 2 lety +2

      @@robertburatt You're still talking about US electoral politics like it matters, or rather, like the outcomes are actually left to chance by the capitalists? Oy vey.

    • @klauskinski5969
      @klauskinski5969 Před 2 lety

      @@robertburatt in theory if the war continues according to plans of usa and us-nazis fly over to fight the left has a small window of opportunity to siege the country back when the most extrem elements on the other side are gone.

  • @elgringorumbero
    @elgringorumbero Před 2 lety +43

    Holy crap this is an amazing interview! Lenin and the Patnaiks are definitely the keys to understanding the present moment. Bravo Ben and Brian!

    • @paulines4441
      @paulines4441 Před 2 lety

      It worries me greatly that people fall for the propaganda of America and Europe and now we should worry about how the US will target China after they e destroyed Russia economically and reduced The Ukraine to rubble!

    • @kristJ25
      @kristJ25 Před 2 lety

      🤔🙈

  • @zolyguy
    @zolyguy Před 2 lety +19

    Dude I've loved Ben for ages but I've never heard him speak on something like this. He knows his sh*t. Describing such countries as Iraq, Iran, Syria, etc. as "resource nationalist capitalist countries" makes perfect sense. Compare that to America though, that don't even nationalize the basic resource necessities of life, they just let the people pay for it out of their pockets and starve.

  • @nedkelly8495
    @nedkelly8495 Před 2 lety +53

    Brilliant discussion. Illuminating - historical as well as current. Thankyou. Two points from my (arm chair) position: 1. IF Russia had not entered "the trap" then what? Well, then NATO/US would have continued to pile up missiles, threatening to 'invade' Russia 'sooner or later'. So, a 'win-win' situation for NATO/US. 2. You did not mention (Apartheid) Israel, the dominant imperialist in Middle East. And its role in promoting & protecting (white) western imperialist interests. (frm NZ)

    • @guy-sl3kr
      @guy-sl3kr Před 2 lety +11

      I agree with you that NATO was going to invade eventually. They had already overthrown Ukraine's government, started a civil war, propped up far-right terrorists, and repeatedly ignored diplomatic resolutions to the conflict they started. I can't imagine a timeline where NATO allows Ukraine to stay neutral, especially not after investing so much into them. I suspect that before the invasion, NATO was about to do something to further escalate tensions that western media is conveniently not telling us.

    • @vladnickul
      @vladnickul Před 2 lety +1

      @@guy-sl3kr :)))))))

    • @8520204
      @8520204 Před 2 lety

      Yes.

    • @Nerwesta
      @Nerwesta Před 2 lety

      He is at best I'll informed on the current Russia as of today.

    • @truthalwayswins3078
      @truthalwayswins3078 Před 2 lety +1

      Israel doesn't have apartheid, they have segregation. Apartheid was totally different.

  • @missl7382
    @missl7382 Před 2 lety +12

    This is so informative. Thanks for clarifying and educating everyone. I came here from Empire Files

  • @StraussBR
    @StraussBR Před 2 lety +14

    not only very interestingly layed out,
    but also very different and new perspectives compared to what we see elsewere

  • @EritreaHagerey
    @EritreaHagerey Před 2 lety +12

    Brilliant discussion! Thank you guys.

  • @jeffreyhiggins1943
    @jeffreyhiggins1943 Před 2 lety +23

    Excellent discussion of imperialism and why Russia isnt it! I agree that the US ruling class is pleased about Russias mil operation. I differ that they had a reasonable choice. They attempted to reach diplom agreements for yrs. Waiting longer, having knowledge of a mass nazi incursion into Donbass, the credible threat of staging nukes there, further growth of fascism in Ukraine aimed at Russia. Waiting longer wouuld have certainly resulted in WWIII w a NATO Ukraine.

    • @freemindrebel
      @freemindrebel Před 2 lety

      Russia is more "local imperialism", isn't it?

  • @anglo-irishbolshevik3425
    @anglo-irishbolshevik3425 Před 2 lety +57

    This discussion and analysis is brilliant as it clears up a lot of confusion about the nature of the conflict. I myself was confused and I made the mistake of categorising the conflict as purely inter-imperialist. Thank-you comrades for this detailed analysis.

    • @802Garage
      @802Garage Před 2 lety +3

      It is imperialist action, Russia's invasion is not justified, nor is it solely the fault of the West, and the explanations within this podcast merely distract from what Russia is doing rather than holding them accountable. None of the excuses made hold water for other countries taking similar actions. Why should we grant such cover of logical fallacy to Russia? It's very disheartening to me that people swallow whitewashing of horrendous actions like this.

    • @anglo-irishbolshevik3425
      @anglo-irishbolshevik3425 Před 2 lety +8

      @@802Garage Of course it is horrendous what's been happening to the Ukrainian civilian population just as it had been horrendous what was happening to the civilian population in those predominantly Russian speaking provinces in easten Ukraine. There's two important events that gave impetus to these tragic events. One was the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 and the other was the right-wing anti Russian coup in 2014. If NATO was disbanded and a collective security pact was established after the Soviet Union was dissolved we wouldn't be where we are today. Why didn't NATO (headed by US imperialism) do that. NATO was established to combat the influence of the Soviet Union so shouldn't it have been a case of no Soviet Union, no NATO? And then there was the 2014 coup which American Imperialism was in involved in. The question is who provoked all this?

    • @joeawk
      @joeawk Před 2 lety +3

      @@802Garage fully justified. Wake up. It is nit even between NATO and US against Russia and by extension China.
      The deep state of the US plus others among them from around the world. We are all fools after all these years of indoctrination.

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Před 2 lety

      @@802Garage You have been duped. Have you no grasp that this war is already almost a decade old? And for land that was "Ukrainian" for less than 50 years, and only then because Khrushchev was Ukrainian and wielded immense power after the assassin...er, natural death of Cd. Stalin, so could muster the Politburo Russians needed to get the deal done.
      I hate to come off as thinking I know everything, but son, you are out to lunch on this. Please make a more concerted effort to unlearn all this capitalo-imperial bullshit. I have a ways to go yet on that front myself, so the more comrades, the better! Remember, principled self-crit is also a tool to practice doing principled criticism of others.
      Cheers from my squat on occupied Omamíwininí (a.k.a. Algonquin Anishinaabe) land, commonly known as Ottawa. ✊

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Před 2 lety

      @@joeawk "Deep state" is not a thing. Please don't perpetuate that crap, as it implies some kind of "shadow war" within the Amerikkkan government superstructure, which is nonsense. They are unified as ever, doing all they can to serve their capitalist 🐷 masters hand, foot and mouth...eww! Lol

  • @homapirzadeh3930
    @homapirzadeh3930 Před 2 lety +5

    Thanks You two amazing world affair analysis! It’s so rewarding listening to you inform analysts!🙏🙏👏👏👏👏

  • @emmanuelgetu6436
    @emmanuelgetu6436 Před 2 lety +3

    Thanks for rivaling the truth. Love and respect from Addis ababa Ethiopia

  • @spirochristlovers
    @spirochristlovers Před 2 lety +2

    Fantastic discussion. This should be shared widely among the left, academia, think tanks and truth seeking journalists.

  • @uglaegilsdottir
    @uglaegilsdottir Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you for this interesting discussion! I lived through the "shock therapy" in the 90s. It was horrible. I don't know how people survived it. Thank you for addressing this humanitarian catastrophe! The world needs to know about it.

  • @chagoriver7159
    @chagoriver7159 Před 2 lety +7

    Benito is always on point. Great analysis

  • @yeongw
    @yeongw Před 2 lety +15

    The media has been promoting Zelenskyy as hero and Zelenskyy has promote himself like influencer on social media. And so many people has a lot of sympathy for him and want to do something nice for him. So when Zelenskyy request for ‘no fly zone’…many are not interested to understand what it is… but just want to give him what he want…

    • @Koloviv48i
      @Koloviv48i Před 2 lety +1

      That tells you how brainwashed most people in the global north are , in addition to the propaganda media.

  • @julieannmyers8714
    @julieannmyers8714 Před 2 lety +5

    Great job, guys! Thank you... we need this.

  • @chrisclark9737
    @chrisclark9737 Před 2 lety +4

    Wonderful speaker who explains the true situation with aplomb. God bless you dude. You have restored my faith in the rational human race. Thankyou

  • @satalex2758
    @satalex2758 Před 2 lety +4

    BT, the only truth news in an ocean of misinformation, thanks for the great discussion 👍🏾

    • @samaval9920
      @samaval9920 Před 7 měsíci

      Fortunately, there are several dozens of similar viewpoint
      English language
      & other language
      critical video
      channels (not sure
      where to find on going
      list.)

  • @MsOceanstar
    @MsOceanstar Před 2 lety +1

    Whoa, am i getting educated on contemporary Imperialism! Great job Ben. Kudos to both gentlemen!

  • @edhenry5915
    @edhenry5915 Před 2 lety +4

    Brian, your voice brings some hope in a otherwise bleak existence

  • @nehrumotiram1941
    @nehrumotiram1941 Před 2 lety +8

    You guys gives a detailed breakdown of the new world order of socialism and the economy and the dominated class,very educational.

  • @ceciliaque5564
    @ceciliaque5564 Před 2 lety +5

    Great Analysis, notably the banks that handle the transactions for Gas for Europe are not included in the sanctions. What the US and Europe are doing is showing it's actually weak position. They've pushed China and Russia closer together and also facilitated for them to gain more independence.

  • @robertseaborne5758
    @robertseaborne5758 Před 2 lety +5

    Thank you BT, Brian and Ben for this excellent analysis cum political lesson.

  • @remisofola5703
    @remisofola5703 Před 2 lety +17

    Why is Russia's decision a bad one?, if Russia did nothing continue to negotiate with the West, the situation would be worse. US will set up the missile systems Ukraine would have become a NATO country and Russia would be vulnerable.

    • @phoneblaster
      @phoneblaster Před 2 lety +1

      ...not vulnerable. Raped more like.

  • @cloudmane4159
    @cloudmane4159 Před 2 lety +4

    I think the confusing notion is Lenin’s marxian concept of imperialism and its qualifier of “exporting finance capital” to other countries i.e. transnational loans. Russia is capitalist, no one doubts that, and they loan some countries money. Does that make a country imperialist?
    I do not think so. Imperialism requires a hegemonic international bourgeoisie, and Russia’s bourgeoisie in reality have a stunted influence over the global economy and politics.

  • @andrewbrindle1422
    @andrewbrindle1422 Před 2 lety +5

    The definition is indeed hard to pin down. IMO, for now, unless Russia establishes military bases or other presence to control the extraction of economic wealth from Ukraine for its own benefit while bullying other to stay out... I don't think what has happened thus far can be deemed as "imperialism."

  • @karen7683
    @karen7683 Před 2 lety +3

    Thanks again guys for sharing your insights with us. Great work as always.

  • @paulzenev4346
    @paulzenev4346 Před 2 lety +3

    I heard the USA is getting some static about how it is handling the crisis.. Moreover, I am glad Putin intervened in Syria and helped keep Assad in power..

  • @gerritrikkers2631
    @gerritrikkers2631 Před 2 lety +4

    Thanks a lot for this very educational information!!!

  • @owencharles7809
    @owencharles7809 Před 2 lety

    You’re Guest is Good!!!! “Thank you”

  • @REDTEK161
    @REDTEK161 Před 2 lety +1

    Amazing discussion. Thank you for getting these perspectives out there, they are so sorely needed.

  • @david_w.5971
    @david_w.5971 Před 2 lety +2

    By the way, thank you both to share these information to understand the ‘never told story’ side of the news.

  • @alexitselentis7904
    @alexitselentis7904 Před 2 lety +3

    Nope .. On time when Russia invaded a foreign country has been when it's been and felt threatened Afghanistan, Chechnya, Ukraine all directly threatened Russia.

    • @SLVBULL
      @SLVBULL Před 2 lety

      But they were also funded by the USA

  • @veronicaancrum4871
    @veronicaancrum4871 Před 2 lety +1

    Brian you made an excellent point. I’m so sick and tired of the equivalency argument.

  • @sejnb1
    @sejnb1 Před 2 lety +1

    Thank you. This is by far the most informative analysis available.

  • @therevolutionwill23
    @therevolutionwill23 Před 2 lety +31

    I think Brian's theory that Russia saw what the next move of the US was and that Russia then decided to preempt that move makes sense. I also think that the military part of the war is essentially over because the entire Ukraine Army is in a cauldron. None of the Ukrainian Government actions speaks to confidence or strength, but rather to impending defeat.

    • @sabinereynaudsf
      @sabinereynaudsf Před 2 lety +1

      But what is Putin's plan of governance in Ukraine after defeat of the Ukrainian military? Who is he going to install?

    • @antoniac1234
      @antoniac1234 Před 2 lety +1

      @sabine reynaud it looks like Russia will be putting nukes in Belarus to preemptively act against NATO. I assume this will keep the US away. We also have seen the US weaken its dollar position in the long term. That is going to be a problem in the next few years.

    • @guy-sl3kr
      @guy-sl3kr Před 2 lety

      @@sabinereynaudsf I'm wondering that too. If we take Putin's word for it, his plan is to leave just it alone after demilitarizing and denazifying it. What that means exactly, I'm not sure.

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Před 2 lety +1

      @@sabinereynaudsf Anyone he could install is better than the garden variety Nazis of late. There is obviously a question of acceptability to Ukrainians, particularly in the west, but surely FSB has a handle on that. And if they're wrong, then it will enable another CIA "revolution". Let's hope instead that they're right.

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Před 2 lety +1

      @@guy-sl3kr You can't actually denazify Ukraine as such. They'll do the uppermost portions of the government, military and business, using them to gain support from fence-sitters and to isolate the most ardent hardcore Nazis. I hope they don't skimp on the extrajudicial killings of Nazis, either!

  • @mandinka323
    @mandinka323 Před 2 lety +1

    Excellent analyses. I really appreciate your work. Thank you.

  • @oneeritrea
    @oneeritrea Před 2 lety +1

    Hello breakthroughnews, you should have the habit of dropping the mentioned books links in the description. This will help the viewer to easily find the books and help the channel continuing buying through affiliated links. Thank you for these great discussion though.

  • @ecosophy32
    @ecosophy32 Před 2 lety

    Ben is so well-educated on this issue. I absolutely loved this episode!

  • @philipganchev2306
    @philipganchev2306 Před 2 lety

    Super revealing, awesome interview!! (as usual!!)

  • @mariah2966
    @mariah2966 Před 2 lety

    Awesome work. Recommending to everyone i know!!

  • @cressi777
    @cressi777 Před 2 lety +2

    Thanks 👍👍👍👍🖐

  • @josephdogbe2641
    @josephdogbe2641 Před 2 lety

    We as a people, need to understand that war is not a solution to any problem that a dialog could solve to avoid the lost of human life and property.

  • @mecha37000fighter
    @mecha37000fighter Před 2 lety +4

    Ben Norton supremely based

  • @alphonsineaguillon7
    @alphonsineaguillon7 Před 2 lety +2

    NO!

  • @DinoCism
    @DinoCism Před 2 lety +24

    I have a lot more respect for Ben after this episode. I had no idea he was that well-read in marxist theory. I actually have some reading to do because besides Lenin and Luxemburg I haven't actually read most of the works he mentioned. The claim that Russia is an imperial power really doesn't seem to hold up, as it doesn't for China (and the people who claim that for one often claim it about the other). Of course, as they said: they would like to be. A lot of well-meaning leftists just use the word imperialism the way liberals do: as a synonym for "bad thing." That might be good enough for sloppy, moralistic liberal 'analysis,' but it really doesn't cut it for a scientific socialist material analysis. The fact that the global south and socialist countries of the world are alining themselves with Russia is an important material consideration to take into account even if the invasion itself is rash, costly in human lives and morally dubious. I'm glad Ben and BT made clear that they don't support the invasion and know Putin is a right-wing anticommunist, which basically takes the legs out of the inevitable criticism they will get for stating the obvious but inconvenient.

    • @larshofler8298
      @larshofler8298 Před 2 lety

      Yes, I agree with everything you say. I might still disagree with Ben's takes, but now I can clearly see where he's coming from and he's actually said things I have/would have said. I do respect him, and it's so rare to see such calm analysis from somebody who's actually read Marx (instead of liberals who just quote Marx to appear cool) in the English world at least.

  • @ruslanrin4416
    @ruslanrin4416 Před 2 lety

    Great show, really enjoyed different perspective

  • @_AutoCoder
    @_AutoCoder Před 2 lety +2

    Great discussion

  • @platosbeard4449
    @platosbeard4449 Před 2 lety

    Enjoyed Ben and your analyses. Your deep socialist theoretical understanding and Ben’s theoretical depth and current affairs insight are invaluable. Thank you 👏👏

  • @sarachiba6012
    @sarachiba6012 Před 4 měsíci

    Great Episode 🏵🦋 Important 🐌🍂 Keep Up the Greatness 🐞🌸

  • @EliDecker
    @EliDecker Před 2 lety +1

    Damn this was a good listen

  • @deborahkrol6152
    @deborahkrol6152 Před 2 lety

    Go Ben, you are amazing.

  • @PC42190
    @PC42190 Před 2 lety +3

    Excellent analysis

  • @marioslrzn
    @marioslrzn Před 2 lety +18

    Let's not forget that Ukraine has Neo Nazi special forces name AZOV

    • @802Garage
      @802Garage Před 2 lety +1

      Firstly, they are just a unit of soldiers not special forces.
      Second, before this conflict it was an incredibly small unit, in the hundreds of men not even thousands if I'm not mistaken.
      Third, there is evidence that their goals are primarily to be against Russian meddling in Ukraine, not racial supremacy.
      Fourth, most countries have Nazis and if not they have some other extremist elements, including Russia.
      Fifth, a Nazi unit which is an extreme minority within an entire nation does not justify an invasion and it is not in any honest way a reason that Russia has invaded.
      Sixth, the Azov unit now has more member and more weapons than ever thanks to Russia, though most new members joined only to fight Russia and not out of ideology.
      Seventh, if anywhere with Nazis needs attacking, then the world better unite and invade the USA soon.

    • @guy-sl3kr
      @guy-sl3kr Před 2 lety +2

      @@802Garage Get out of here with this Nazi apologia. How did you even find this channel?

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Před 2 lety +2

      @@802Garage Guy has you pegged, pig. Total mask-off moment. Oops!

    • @802Garage
      @802Garage Před 2 lety

      ​@@guy-sl3kr Not apologizing for any Nazis. I abhor anyone who accepts any Nazi ideology. What I am expressing, which may be a bit too nuanced for you, is that simply using the label "Nazi" may not be pointing a full picture. Let me be clear, anyone using symbols from Hitler's Nazi military is clearly at the least misguided and at worst a complete enemy of the people of the world. However, it is just as important to acknowledge that a Nazi element within a nation does not condemn the whole nation or all of its people. I hope I don't have to further explain that. Additionally, there are interviews and pieces which cover the Azov unit specifically suggesting the members do not believe in Nazi racial ideology, but instead adopted the symbols specifically to be anti-Russian. Now I would be inclined to believe it is a mix of both and depends on the individual. I have no doubts the leadership is likely racist and extremist. I am simply pointing out taking the most simplistic view from the outside is not actually helpful nor necessarily accurate. To claim someone is a Nazi sympathizer simply for trying to share a mix of information is unhelpful and dishonest. I will fully admit I am no expert on Azov. That is literally part of why I share info and do not state is at concrete but as an open idea which can be corrected. I found this channel because I thought it would be a good source for principled independent leftist coverage. Instead I have found favoritism towards certain nations, whitewashing of their abhorrent behaviors, and hypocrisy against principled stances I cannot stand for. The people in the comments sections have often been alarmingly worse, perhaps because they don't cage their words as much as the presenters.

    • @802Garage
      @802Garage Před 2 lety

      @@fun_ghoul Please see above comment. Even a cursory glance through my history of comments on any number of channels and social media would lay bare that I do not support or endorse any form of Nazi ideology, including that of the Azov unit. I do, however, firmly stand on the ground that the existence of said unit did not justify the invasion of Ukraine and that Russia is using it as an excuse akin to the USA invading Middle Eastern nations to target extremism. It is not the real reason for the invasion and to believe it is ignores the larger issues at play.

  • @berhanugetahun2140
    @berhanugetahun2140 Před 2 lety

    What a brilliant researcher to tell the warring parties' intention and historical background.

  • @adoogie2876
    @adoogie2876 Před 2 lety

    Ben Ben Ben,always on point

  • @braddockbrawler
    @braddockbrawler Před 2 lety

    Excellent talk. All keys to solving this situation have been brilliantly addressed with logic and and calm. Unfortunately the military industrail complex doesn't care, as they exist and function with way different value sets. Thanks for contributing anyways, for all what was said will be online for someone to see.

  • @oxvendivil442
    @oxvendivil442 Před 2 lety

    Fantastic show!

  • @duranimusprime5989
    @duranimusprime5989 Před 2 lety

    The other elephant in the room that's not talked about is Germany. The fear of German and Russian moving closer toward each other would upend US influence on Europe and will be a direct threat to any justification for NATO. Sphere of influence would directly challenge US hegemony. It's ALWAYS been a huge fear. Some great articles about how much of this is also about keeping Germany down even more so than the other European countries.

  • @conscious_being
    @conscious_being Před 2 lety +11

    NATO is an alliance of bandits.
    I support Russian action to prevent the swelling of the ranks of bandits.
    What is happening in Ukraine is a _tragedy_ , not a crime or aggression by Russia.
    Those of you living in the West and benefitting from the banditry may take "moral" positions, but for the rest of us, it is an existential issue.
    If you condemn the Russian action, you are with the bandits and banditry, whatever your proclaimed "ism".

    • @sabinereynaudsf
      @sabinereynaudsf Před 2 lety +1

      Explain that to the Ukrainians or even the Russians. Neither Russia nor China are in true solidarity with the global South. Chinese is building toll bridges, buys lands and owns mayor resource extraction enterprises in Africa. It's win-win development might be more benevolent, but nevertheless, more capital gains flow back to China than do flow to the global south.

    • @conscious_being
      @conscious_being Před 2 lety

      @@sabinereynaudsfAm I preventing Russians and Ukrainians from reading my explanation posted on CZcams comments?
      Russia and China pursuing their interests does _not_ conflict with our interests, where as bandits pursuing their interests does. We don't expect charity from anyone, but if others pursuing their interests puts a check on the bandits, we can only be grateful to them.
      It is not "capitalism" that turned Westerners into bandits. They have been bandits before "capitalism" and will continue to be bandits even if they adopt some other "ism".

  • @markjohnson7254
    @markjohnson7254 Před 2 lety

    Very intelligent very informative conversation -am in School-I am learning

  • @Kuasarakyat2
    @Kuasarakyat2 Před 2 lety

    Admire Ben

  • @davidmancic9080
    @davidmancic9080 Před 2 lety

    Great Video my New One of the Favorites Channel

  • @_BhagavadGita
    @_BhagavadGita Před 2 lety +2

    There is NO Left in major American politics. It always makes me laugh when Americans associate Democrats with the Left.

  • @cloudmane4159
    @cloudmane4159 Před 2 lety +1

    Holy shit two of my favorite socialist journalists on one video ❤️💪🥲

  • @CannabinatedFantasy
    @CannabinatedFantasy Před 2 lety +2

    IT SAID I COULDNT SHARE TO FACEBOOK CAUSE ITS ABUSIVE

  • @username19237
    @username19237 Před 2 lety +1

    Love Ben’s post-GZ arc

  • @Cnupoc
    @Cnupoc Před 2 lety +3

    watch Revealing Ukraine 2019 investigative documentary by Oliver Stone.

  • @epicmissadventureiii423
    @epicmissadventureiii423 Před 2 lety +1

    Viewer here in the Philippines as well, I am sad because none of the people I know has real knowledge of what is and what is not. So they were lead to believe the western or corporate narrative.

  • @kristJ25
    @kristJ25 Před 2 lety

    Interesting indeed

  • @_AutoCoder
    @_AutoCoder Před 2 lety +5

    Damn Ben.. amazing point about stamping out state run, or democratized resources at the end. That's 💯 what's going on.

    • @_AutoCoder
      @_AutoCoder Před 2 lety

      As with Bolivia, Venezuela, everything

  • @tonycaine5930
    @tonycaine5930 Před 2 lety +1

    How many countries has the U.S. invaded within the past 20-50 years compared to Russia and China combined?

  • @truthalwayswins3078
    @truthalwayswins3078 Před 2 lety

    So, what I got from this conversation is that Israel is also an imperialist country, taking into consideration their land grabs. Russia not, they only want to safeguard their own country and have ethnical Russians to have autonomous rule.

  • @freeparsons7115
    @freeparsons7115 Před 2 lety +1

    Thanks for a great talk.
    I'd like to object to a point made at about 45 min. I think Ben sometimes (rightly) uses the fact of US coups to explain why a coup'd people should not be subject to odious debt. I contend that a similar dynamic is going on, here. I guess there is a contradiction causing confusion regarding "sovereign".
    How much outside manipulation does it take to shift a govt from "sovereign" to "puppet"?
    I think we found our next discussion topic. Thanks again, c0merades

  • @ACF159
    @ACF159 Před 2 lety +2

    The (capitalistically) differentiated notion of empire that they discuss is important to highlight. However, as assessed against the generic notions of empire* and imperialism* (of which the notions discussed in this video are differentiations), this invasion is an imperial war of aggression perpetrated by the Russian state (even though it is not an instance of the capitalistically differentiated form of imperialism, and even though it was preceded by indefensible provocations that nevertheless in no way, shape, or form excuse the invasion itself, particularly (but not exclusively) because of the scale of the invasion).
    * A hierarchical society whose ruling and other higher-power classes accumulate power from both a core base of people and other resources immediately associated with that society and a peripheral base of people and other resources only mediately associated with that society. (Here "classes" are differentiated by differing degrees of socially conditioned power, but the narrower Marxist distinction between the class that controls capital and the class that does not is of course implicit in and deeply relevant to that broad characterization of classes.)
    ** The ideology that advocates, and the praxis that aims at, the establishment, maintenance, strengthening, and expansion of empire.

  • @kevinthegreat3572
    @kevinthegreat3572 Před 2 lety

    The world should stand up & demand; NO NATO ZON & US Imperialist.

  • @maxmercor5772
    @maxmercor5772 Před 2 lety +3

    Weird how he started with calling Russia imperialist, in order for that word to have its impact it musn't be used loosely. Geopolitical analysts know there is only one true imperialist power today, as there mostly is one in every era.

    • @DinoCism
      @DinoCism Před 2 lety +1

      Like they said: it depends which definition you are using.

    • @WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut
      @WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut Před 2 lety

      @@DinoCism There is imperialism with lowercase i and then there is Imperialism with capital I. Lenin was using the latter definition when talking about it.

  • @zamora46
    @zamora46 Před 2 lety

    Read President Eisenhower's last address concerning "The Industrial Military Complex "...

  • @paulzenev4346
    @paulzenev4346 Před 2 lety +1

    Excellent discussion. I hope these Western entities never get their hands on what is inside Russia..

    • @samaval9920
      @samaval9920 Před 7 měsíci

      WvEuropeans have invaded Russia since early medieval times!!
      Vikings, French under
      Napoleon I, Germans
      under Teutonic Knights
      Kaiser Wilhelm II, Adolf
      Hitler, French & English
      (Crimean War), US England France Japan etc. (Russian Civil War)
      Rissia &!its resources
      have been targets of
      Western empires for
      centuries.

  • @MRMRCEE75
    @MRMRCEE75 Před 2 lety

    This kind of economic warfare started with Haiti after its independence in 1804 and it worked. The difference is Russia is nuclear power country, this may not end well. It's a crazy world.

  • @firoze4308
    @firoze4308 Před 2 lety

    Table talk is the only solution of give and take conclusions.

  • @whaikuratuhaka7029
    @whaikuratuhaka7029 Před 2 lety +10

    Yes, Yes yes, God bless Russia

  • @MrMSalexanderMK
    @MrMSalexanderMK Před 2 lety +2

    Creating an enemy was a must to fo Us Nato's existence as an offensive organization

  • @ronnysmobilephone
    @ronnysmobilephone Před 2 lety

    Trotsky theorized the break up of the USSR back if the working class didn't reclaim power from the Stalinist bureaucracy. So yeah, that.

  • @UFOcomputers
    @UFOcomputers Před 2 lety

    Ben /Hudson have it backwards. The buying of US Treasuries is done w/money ALREADY spent into the economy.
    The “debt” = savings accounts at the Fed in the form of interest bearing treasuries. The bonds were bought w/$ already spent into the economy via deficit spending. Bond sales are not borrowing operations; they are a tool of monetary policy so Fed can hit its overnight rate target

  • @erikeparsels
    @erikeparsels Před 2 lety +1

    Okay, I have to respond to Ben's characterization of socialism as the dictatorship of the working class and capitalism as the dictatorship of the capitalist class. We must distinguish between economic systems and political movements. Capitalism is an economic system based on relations of production that divide ownership of capital from labor. A small group of owners that does a tiny fraction of the labor of production, if that, controls all the production and distribution decisions in society. Communism is also an economic system with different relations of production and different property rights and laws, etc. where the workers both carry out the labor of production AND own the capital and make the production and distribution decisions. Socialism, in contrast, is NOT an economic system but a political movement based on trying to mitigate or reverse the ill effects of class society, specifically capitalism. That is why socialism is such a big-tent term, referring to Bernie Sanders' "Scandinavian model" welfare-state new-deal capitalism, to the state capitalism of the Soviet Union and China, to the hybrid participatory democratic state-capitalism and cooperative communism of countries like Cuba, as well as to the as-yet unrealized goal of total workplace democracy and communal democratic ownership of capital.

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Před 2 lety +1

      Hush, Yankee. Your anti-Leninist pedantry is unwelcome.

  • @patricelauverjon3177
    @patricelauverjon3177 Před 2 lety

    What we see is holding a grief for decades!

  • @Solipse123
    @Solipse123 Před rokem

    Greetings from Russia! Thanks for the analytics! It is very interesting to see the views of like-minded people from the outside.
    In Russia, many leftists just take the position that "vanguard battles" are taking place in Ukraine between two blocs of imperialist predators, one of which is headed by the United States, and the second by China. As for my vision of the situation, I do not think that China pushed Putin to decide to conduct a special operation in Ukraine, rather, on the contrary, the Biden administration, guided by the strategy of "controlled chaos", pushed Russia into the arms of China.

  • @bundleofperceptions1397
    @bundleofperceptions1397 Před 2 lety +5

    How can Becker be so familiar with the 2008 decision to bring Georgia and Ukraine into NATO without being aware of Zbigniew Brzezinski's book The Grand Chessboard, which laid out this same scenario which was all about destabilizing Russia to force regime change, and leading to breaking Russia up into three parts?

    • @debralegorreta1375
      @debralegorreta1375 Před 2 lety

      He doesn't read Brzezinsky, . . not sure why that's a bad thing. Because it's evidence of imperialist intent?

    • @wnklee6878
      @wnklee6878 Před 2 lety

      @@debralegorreta1375 Because ignorance is strength.

    • @cathalb2007
      @cathalb2007 Před 2 lety +2

      When does Becker say he wasn't aware of 'The Grand Chessboard'?

    • @fun_ghoul
      @fun_ghoul Před 2 lety +1

      @@wnklee6878 For once, I agree with Debra. Knowledge /= wisdom. I've had to scrape vomit from a pub urinal with a gloved hand for minwage, so I know of what I speak.

  • @robertseaborne5758
    @robertseaborne5758 Před 2 lety +1

    If indeed Putin is an 'anti communist' (26:00), what does this mean about the relationship between Russia and China, a state being successfully led by the largest and most influential communist party of all time (the CPC) ?

    • @JRS716
      @JRS716 Před 2 lety +1

      putin is only anti-communist in words, what he practices is very close to what china practices. resource nationalist countries are the midwives of the new socialist economic mode.

    • @ryanmitchell5614
      @ryanmitchell5614 Před 2 lety +1

      Two authoritarian capitalist countries allying against a common imperial/geopolitical rival. I see nothing contradictory about that.

  • @LegendNinja41
    @LegendNinja41 Před 2 lety +1

    4 the algo!

  • @StopBaizuo
    @StopBaizuo Před 2 lety +1

    What is the relationship of Mr. Becker with Fabianism?

  • @firoze4308
    @firoze4308 Před 2 lety

    Study on KGB in Cyberia and how they punished people for minor disobedience.

  • @Hikesoup
    @Hikesoup Před 2 lety

    Answer is yes.

    • @WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut
      @WorldGovernmentGeoInstitut Před 2 lety

      In the common sense of the word, it is imperialistic, in Lenin's sense of the word, it isn't. US/NATO is both though.
      No, socialists shouldn't support either.