Ep #6: Mind Games - The Dark History of Lobotomy | Dark History Podcast
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- Hi friends, happy Thursday!
Welcome to the Dark History podcast. Today, we are going to talk about an insane chapter in medical history where a doctor sold a procedure, the lobotomy, as if it were an infomercial. For a low, low price, this idiot promised to solve all your mental illnesses. He just has to stick this ice pick in your brain.
I appreciate you for coming by, and tune in next week for more dark history.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
02:06 LOBOTOMIES & PATIENTS
05:11 ROSEMARY KENNEDY
10:39 DR.MONIZ
13:19 WALTER FREEMAN
15:12 ALICE HAMMATT
20:14 SURGERY OF THE SOUL
24:12 MAKING LOBOTOMIES SIMPLER
30:16 LOBOTOMY POPULARITY
31:13 HOWARD DULLY
35:15 THE DOWNFALL
39:06 THE APOLOGY TOUR
42:43 PUBLIC PERCEPTION
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Berlatsky, Noah. “The botched lobotomy of Gretchen Richards Reb.” A Beautiful Perspective, 1 Nov 2018, abeautifulperspective.com/2018/11/botched-lobotomy-gretchen-richards-reb/
Day, Elizabeth. “He was bad, so they put an ice pick in his brain…” The Guardian, 13 Jan 2008, www.theguardian.com/science/2008/jan/13/neuroscience.medicalscience
El-Hai, Jack. “Race and Gender in the Selection of Patients for Lobotomy.” Wonders & Marvels, 2016, www.wondersandmarvels.com/2016/12/race-gender-selection-patients-lobotomy.html
El-Hai, Jack. The Lobotomist: A Maverick Medical Genius and His Tragic Quest to Rid the World of Mental Illness. Wiley, 2005.
Faria, Miguel A. Jr. “Violence, mental illness, and the brain - A brief history of psychosurgery: Part 1 - From trephination to lobotomy.” US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health, vol. 4, no. 49, 5 Apr 2013, www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3640229/
Gallea, Michael A. “A BRIEF REFLECTION ON THE NOT-SO-BRIEF HISTORY OF THE LOBOTOMY.” BC Medical Journal, vol. 59, No. 6, July-Aug 2017, bcmj.org/mds-be/brief-reflection-not-so-brief-history-lobotomy
Godin, Simon, and Brett LeBlanc. “The History of Lobotomies: Examining its Impacts on Marginalized Groups and the Development of Psychosurgery.” Psychology from the Margins, vol. 2, no. 4, 2020, ideaexchange.uakron.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1007&context=psychologyfromthemargins
Hapsis, Emmanuel. “Rosemary Kennedy: The Tragic Story of Why JFK's Sister Disappeared from Public View.” KQED, 15 Aug 2016, www.kqed.org/pop/22432/rosemary-kennedy-the-tragic-story-of-why-jfks-sister-disappeared-from-public-view
Johnson, Jenell. American Lobotomy: A Rhetorical History. University of Michigan Press, 17 Oct 2014, p. 50. bit.ly/2TVaHd8
Kessler, Ronald. The Sins of the Father, Warner Books, 1996, p. 243.
Klaf, Franklin S., and Charles A. Davis. “HOMOSEXUALITY AND PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIA: A SURVEY OF 150 CASES AND CONTROLS.” The American Journal of Psychiatry, vol. 116, no. 12, June 1960, ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/abs/10.1176/ajp.116.12.1070?journalCode=ajp
Koziol, Mary. “Diagnosing Womanhood: Lessons Learned from Gender Bias in 20th Century Psychiatry.” McGill University Library, 2016, www.mcgill.ca/library/files/library/koziol_mary_2016.pdf
Lenz, Lyz. “The Secret Lobotomy of Rosemary Kennedy.” Marie Claire, 31 Mar 2017, www.marieclaire.com/celebrity/a26261/secret-lobotomy-rosemary-kennedy/
Tone, Andrea, and Mary Koziol. “(F)ailing women in psychiatry: lessons from a painful past.” US National Library of Medicine National Institutes of Health, vol. 190, no. 20, www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5962395/
“Walter Freeman’s Psychosurgery and Biological Psychiatry: A Cautionary Tale.” Neurology Today, vol. 5, no. 4, 2005, journals.lww.com/neurotodayonline/Fulltext/2005/04000/WALTER_FREEMAN_S_PSYCHOSURGERY_AND_BIOLOGICAL.20.aspx
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Dark History is an Audioboom Original
This podcast is Executive Produced by:
Chelsea Durgin from Slash Mgmt, Bailey Sarian, and Avi Gandhi from Wheelhouse DNA
Producer: Lexxi Kiven, Derrial Christon and Spencer Strasmore
Research provided by: Jed Bookout
Writers: Jed Bookout, Michael Oberst, Joey Scavuzzo and me - Bailey Sarian
I'm your host ----Princess of the Dark, Bailey Sarian
Historical Consultants: Jack El-Hai (Author of “The Lobotomist”) and Janell Johnson
Video Director: Trent Barboza and Eric Abell
Edited by: Ryan Philander & Jim Luci
Production Management: Marissa Barrrientos - Zábava
I love how we’re learning about history but feels like we’re gossiping
❤️❤️❤️
Yyyaaaaasssss!!!
Seriously 😂😂😂😂😂
Can someone tell me where’s episode 2?!!!!
I have some kind of OCD I won’t watch the series unless I find it lol
When you think about it, talking history is essentially gossip. She said/he said/they said, a whole mix of opinions and ideas, ripe for us to tear apart and discuss. That's what makes history awesome.
"women who needed therapy, people with homosexual tendencies, and animals! Those are like all my friends"
SAME!
Lol same.
SAME.
Same!!!!!
Me too oh and those who love makeup and think 4 themselves yes dont leave out the woke lol!
Same!
I'm so glad you are covering this. I fell down the Rosemary Kennedy rabbit hole a few years ago and I can't believe how badly she was treated by her own family and how little it is known.
Me too
This is actually the first time I've heard all this. Friggin scarey. Money talks....that's America for you.
My husband's grandmother had a frontal lobotomy done. These people are left a shell of their former selves. I cannot describe how unbelievably sad the situations was. It's heartbreaking.
Bailey doesn’t get the recognition she deserves! SHE IS A LITERAL CZcams PIONEER! She has literally started a whole new “Commentary Genre” on CZcams. Now everyone is doing makeup story telling. She took the top 2 genres on CZcams and clashed them together. PLEASE GIVE HER, HER ROSES NOW!!
Period!
Yes! So true!🙂🤗
Simply genius isn't it!!! 💜💜💜her.
Perioddddd
I’ll send her a Christmas card. Lol jk (sorry I had to)
speaking of Kennedy, her life started in tragedy. Her mother went into labor, and she tried to deliver the baby, but the nurses in the hospital told her to close her legs because a doctor wasn't available to help with the birth. So the poor baby was in the birth canal for 2 hours before a doctor arrived, and had severe brain damage due to oxygen depletion. The reason she was a "rebel" in the first place...brain damage
It's tragic 😰😰 For info her birth was at home. 🙂
Sadly this still happens
Yes I was going to comment this as well! So tragic
That's f***ed up!?
Seriously like it was a miracle she survives and then they go and do this to her 😞
Do one on shock therapy! My great grandmother had to have shock therapy treatments while she was pregnant. Everyone thought she was schizophrenic when really she had 5 kids at home and my great grandfather walked out with another woman, while she was 6 months pregnant. She then was put into a psych unit for her postpartum. She was basically told she was insane
Believe it or not they still use a shock type treatment called e.c.t.
My mother was pregnant with me when she received numerous ECT's back in the 1950's. Most of my life I have struggled with emotional regulation and quirky tics but managed to control them eventually, except when I am profoundly stressed out. I have often wondered if my prenatal ECT caused these problems.
I love seeing how far you’ve come, Bailey! Joey can respectfully stick to lighting-quietly lol. His vibe doesn’t match the whole wonderful atmosphere you’ve created.
Respectfully 😊
“Women, homosexuals and animals… that’s like all my friends” I laughed so hard!! 😂😂 I love you Bailey! We need to besties.
That was hilarious!!!
5:03
Absolutely perfect!
Exactly 🤣
Women who need therapy* which makes it even more accurate 😂
As a dude, I know absolutely nothing about makeup beyond watching my mom apply it when I was a kid, watching girls I have dated do their makeup, and now my daughter do hers... I have always enjoyed the conversations with them as they did their makeup, as the distraction seems to allow for a more open and honest dialog...
I don't know anything about makeup, but I can appreciate the talent and artistry, the amazing transformations created...
I recently found your channel and watched because of the "mysteries", enjoying the delivery of the stories you present in your own unique way, your relaxed, sassy, playful personality, but found myself enjoying the makeup portion as well, as it takes me back to a time of meaningful conversations with the women in my life that I love....
🥺❤️
Awww
💕
Aww 😩 so wholesome
So cutee 🥺💙
I heard Rosemary’s mother didn’t even know about the surgery until after it happened. She was out of town and came back to her daughter like this.
Was anyone else disappointed when Bailey didn’t say “You know what would make Walter feel so much better? A lobotomy” 😅
Yesssssssssss I thought this 🤣🤣🤣🤣
If anyone deserved one it was him
A lobotomy would make me feel better
I agree lol
“Women, animals and homosexuals..” that’s basically all my friends 😂 Bailey you make my day with all the funny sentences you slide in such a terrifying story.
"women who needs therapy" 😂
Literally every story Bailey tell, will sound like a gossip and it's the most entertaining thing ever
This. I would listen to any story she told!
This is so true!
Yeah, you’re the first one to point this gossip/tea/friend-like thing out!
Honestly!
True
My best friend of 10 plus years just passed in a car accident and honestly Bailey your vids are the only way I can get my mind off my own trauma so thank you for all you do
awwww:(
"They have bears as pets in Russia" gives the same energy as "They have lions as pets in Africa". Btw only the really well off have lions, most of us have zebras.
I cannot with this, made my day. 🤣
Haha this is so funny 😅🤣
Some people will think its true 🤣😂🤣😂
I thought she said "bears in pits", as in Bearpit, as for entertainment.
😂😂
I know trying the interruptions were an experiment but to be honest it was really jarring and broke the flow of the episode. I really prefer when it's just Bailey.
like who this weird loud man and why he interrupting my queen with a mouthful of food 😤
me too
Agreed, if it was supposed to be funny & entertaining, it was neither to me.
I agree. It's dark here and I was listening while chilling in bed then all of a sudden this loud man is interrupting the relaxation. Probably a lovely guy but it was a bit jarring.
I like it, just don't think it should be a frequent bit. Like he should be used for examples or weirdly insightful comments and quips.
Still waiting for Bailey to have her own show on Netflix
I need to be able to add more than one like to this lol
Yes tbh she does need a Netflix show
Yeeeesss
Fr
@netflix, are you listening?!?
"Lou being a bottom" I can't she's so funny oml
i did laugh out loud
This got me laughing outside too
I SWEAR TO LIFE THE LIGHTING GUY'S ENERGY JUST SCARES ME 😭😭😭
“Don’t you want to live an anxiety free life like Alice? Alice died 5 years later. Anyways” 😂😂💀
Righttt I was dying how she said that 😂
Do we know Alice’s cause of death? 👀
@@paigejenika1485 I'll try to find out more information from my mom... Alice Hammatt was our cousin; I just found that out from my mom when I mentioned her name. 💜
I know I shouldn't have laughed, but I did 😅
5 years or 5 days?
“I don’t know why he’s here” girl me too , tf get him ouuuttt 🤢🤢🤢
Lol 😂
Okay so I worked at a state hospital in Warren, PA and they had this room in a building on the grounds where they would do crazy things to these patients that were "crazy” and there were student desks all around the table for students to observe these procedures. They closed the building down, but I've gone up there and the floors are still stained red from the blood. They had jars of body parts and baby fetuses in formaldehyde in another room...I can't imagine the things some of the patients went through back in the day. And you could literally just get dropped off there for a lifetime stay if your family or husband didn't want to deal with you and you weren't truly crazy either. They would slam these people with meds that turned them into completely different people with adverse effects that are just horrible.
Is today really better though? Now these people, instead of being cared for in a hospital, are left to be homeless and die in the gutter. The pendulum has swung too far.
I listened to the podcast and couldn’t tell if this was real or planned interruptions like a prank. If the guy is contracted to be there for lighting (I understand he needs a job and probably has obligations to fill) he can fulfill the contract by setting up the lights and standing outside of the recording sesh. Please.
love how bailey sarian can be the most "girly girl" and the most "tomboyish girl". i love this woman and i respect her work. i like her how her mind works and her accent. i like how she continues to be a better idol
Aw thank you so much that really means more than you know 🥲❤️
She has an accent?! What kind? Lol
Maybe I have the same kind if I can’t hear it 🤣
What accent???
@@trexellence reminder that CZcams is a global platform lol
She KIND of has an accent to us from the Midwest but that’s because she sounds like she’s from Cali or something but people from other counties will hear it as an accent to them
In many cases lobotomy's were used control how specifically women acted. A lot of people who were forced into them weren't sick, just not the "ideal" wife.
Stepford wives was my first thought too.
Hysteria *sigh*
Humans are so annoying 🙄
Yupp! Which was also depicted on AHS: Asylum at the end
She looked so irritated by Joey's interruption. I mean really, the look on her face IS Dark History 😂
When she opened the book and the pages were blank I died laughing but I loved it😂
Who else thinks Bailey Sarian needs some kind of award for getting us through the 1st part of every week???
ORORORORO!!! I spend half of my day sleeping! ORORORO!!! Then I sometimes get up and tell you that I am a famous content creatorORORORORO!!! Please don't sleep while driving, dear kim
@@AxxLAfriku oooooooook???.........
She makes me look forward to mondays then excited to end me week with another video u know because mondays weren't enough!! I use my husbands account because he has no ads but I only have notifications on for Bailey :)
the Monday award!
I know. Her shoulders must be strong from carrying all our mondays.
I know why they put Joey in, they want someone to “lighten the mood” something to break it up and not be so sad or scary. But not gonna lie it’s not my favorite 😅
bailey does that herself already!! they dont need joey
He made me feel uneasy
..so better bring another guy in.
OOOOOOOH I get it now..
Yeah, could really live without his interruptions.
i hate it
I really want you to do one on the “Father of Gynecology” 😳
I love dark history! I just hope Joey's pop in aren't going to become the norm.
Done. Gone
I agree- it messes with the flow
I feel like Joey suddenly jumping in and speaking loudly killed the immersion of the podcast unfortunately. I play this as I paint and find it calming and fascinating. Whenever he would appear I would zoom to the screen and lose my head space, only for comments that don't really add to whatever you were saying. I understand it was possibly for comic relief but personally did not find it funny and feel like this podcast already has a perfect balance of seriousness and lightheartedness with just Bailey alone.
I completely agree
yea I agree
Yeah I was falling asleep and it happened and abrupt noises especially when I’m going asleep terrify me. Like I can’t do jump stuff my heart literally can’t take it. The address breaks alone are abrupt for me sometimes 😂😭
I agree
Definitely agree. Like I get enough mansplaining irl I don't need it in my escapism means 😅
*I still can’t get used to two Bailey's videos per week, this feels like christmas* 😂😍💕
literally
LITERALLY though, Mondays and Thursdays are my favorite days of the week. 🥰
She actually always did two videos a week for a while she would do just makeup videos on Saturdays. They were pretty fun too she would just do her makeup and talk about random stuff.
Ikr!
it does I love it
What's up with this other guy? I enjoy the energy Bailey brings to her stories, not this guy so much... Anyway, cheers from South Africa!
I agreee I listen to her to sleep and he keeps waking me up
Take that back 😂
Cheers
"you know when you see a guy who has like four hairs...." LOL I love her analogies. and she's just the best story teller!
Rosemary Kennedy is the reason her brother Ted was a huge advocate for kids with disabilities. I remember meeting him when my son with dyslexia were in DC advocating for kids. The nicest, caring man
This is awesome Something so pure that should have made the papers instead of a lot of gossip they usually post today
I was told all my life that my dyslexia isnt a disability or anything in that form with glasses n alot of after school classes i learned how to control it cursive was really bad but when i went to school they didnt make me write like that so to this day i still cant do cursive the right way but other then that reading i still do it every once in a while when im really into a book but i didnt know it was classified as that
Yah she was in a home wasn't she? I remember hearing about her
Nvm I commented before that came up lol
You should read into the whole Chappaquiddick car accident. Ted was a sketchy dude.
Rose Kennedy(mother) did not want Rose to have the surgery. Joe Kennedy (father) had it done without her consent.. Rose and Joe Kennedy's relationship was never the same. She said she never forgave him. The children were her responsibility, she said she gave birth to them. Joe was to take care of the family financially. Back then men had total control over these kinds of decisions.
Whoa
Yes that's true about Rose Kennedy. She loved her kids so much, she also wanted them out of politics.
Has anyone else been inspired/motivated to actually WEAR makeup due solely to Bailey?
I actually went to the Colourpop website and bought certain palettes because I had seen her videos with her using them and they looked amazing. I did not regret buying them for myself.
Yes!!
Yes I have she's so pretty and inspiring
Significantly motivated? Yes.
Motherhood and other life stress made me forget that I genuinely enjoy applying cosmetics to my face.
Edited to add that I have remembered that and tried new makeup things and received compliments on them
Yes, hers is just perfect.
“3 hours and 13 dollars later…” bahahahahaha
Also…
Bailey: “you know what would make Walter feel better?”
Me: “a lobotomy!!”
Bailey: “checking in on his former patients.”
Me: “that too!!”
People don’t need to personally attack Joey. Totally unnecessary. He was instructed to do the things he’s doing. It’s fine if you don’t like it but don’t attack his character and be mean about it. Totally uncalled for.
i agree. not a fan of what he did, but Joey seems like a nice guy.
Literally, people are acting like this show isn’t scripted-which btw isn’t a bad thing!! (And it doesn’t have to be word for word but a play by play and general ideas thing to help the episode flow) ORRR that it’s not edited, which if she truly didn’t like those bits- she could have it edited out!
Uhhh This Is My Other Account I believe That Bailey added those little skits of him interrupting to sort of lighten the mood on such a dark topic.
I found it refreshing honestly. Such a Adam Ruins Everything vibe. A comic relief 😅
Great comment! You're right about not attacking him personally. The idea itself -- I don't agree with. I feel like it's taking away from Bailey, the skit idea itself seems disrespectful to her but I am talking specifically about the idea of inserting another person. She's a powerhouse on her own. It's too much and takes away from her.
Something about this episode made me realize we don't need lights for this show anymore
Omfg 😂
I just, can't put my finger on it.... something about the lights....
😂😂 same
NAILED IT!!!
Yup!!
What I learned that, even as Bailey said, “the lengths society will go to fit it”….is still an issue to this day. Lobotomy was “it” before side affects were made well known to society. Just scary. Know what your getting into before you’re pressured into it.
The lobotomy is a subject I never tire of. I know i would have been lonotomized with my neuro divergent brain of mine.
“You know what would make Walters feel better!”
Me: *a lobotomy*
Bailey: an apology tour!
😄
Lol same frickin thought. I was waiting for her to say..A LOBOTOMY!!
Same!
Wow you wrote almost word for word the same comment I did! 🤯🤣
Great minds & all of that! 😉
Yeah, in a different circumstance I think I'd love Joey. Unfortunately I feel like his interjections just don't make sense in the context of what Bailey is talking about.
Thank you! I found them really distracting and didn't enjoy it at all. I hope she either integrates him into the show properly, or leaves him out altogether.
Yeah, my opinion is that Joey needs to be voted off the island with a quickness. He's super annoying.
Agreed. Its giving late night television not dark history
Bailey's annoyance with him seems genuine too. He's got to go.
@@caitiecunningham872 she could’ve edited him out of the video if she really didn’t like him interrupting she would’ve edited his parts out
“Thank you Joey for your constant commentary no one asked for.” Lol, is that not just men in general? 😂
Im so glad you talked about rosemary and what they did to her. It breaks my heart.
What was with the Joey character? That was so weird. I’m with the other commenters who offered feedback that we didn’t like that. Otherwise I enjoyed this video. Thank you for educating us.
He’s one of the writers I think
I didn’t like him either it kinda ruined the story
I enjoy how intimate it feels with just Bailey. Having a dude show up occasionally to say nothing really took me out of it.
@@amandanance3805 that's perfect wording! it's very intimate. watching bailey feels like chatting with a best friend and then her annoying little brother shows up. 🙄
If history was taught like this I wouldn’t get bored
It's not, because they don't want you to know this stuff.
I always find the way you tell the information great. it makes me think we are sitting around gossiping but in reality we are learning something. Just like your other videos I just love watching. It also reminds me why I love learning history even the dark moments so much.
Bailey is perfect, Joey is not necessary.
oooof, rough😬, it was probably scripted
Joey needs to go
I just feel like “HYSTERECTOMY” should be a follow up after this particular topic
YESSSS
That's clever, and unsettling.
Hysterectomy would be great I think it's that many men had their testicles removed it would be an epidemic
Thnx for mentioning it
I am curious about that history.
I am obsessed with these dark history!! Bailey makes anything interesting im currently binge watching them all 👀
Very interesting. Keep Joey behind the scenes, too disruptive to the story. You’re funny enough ❤️
Oh no. Joey needs to go. I don't even know what that was. Don't do that.
Agreed
Put so eloquently! You nailed it!
You put what everyone felt during his appearance into words perfectly
Agreed!!!
i thought it was a joke... i’m pretty sure it was
I really don't want to be a buzzkill, you and your crew all deserve to have a great time shooting your vids. But his interjections were really unpleasant. They blew out my eardrums and didn't add anything to your presentation.
It fit in fine. He was acting like someone who needed a lobotomy!
@@gentrykoda lolol ironically he'd be one of the last ones to get a lobotomy since he's a white man 😅
@@cessy514 lol
We love hanging with Bailey. So chilled and real.
Girl you're a trip! You've made my day so much better 😊 thank you for the history lesson and the laughs! ❤️
I'm sure joey is a great guy, but if we're trying to go comedic relief vibes his mic needs to be turned down, and maybe just do that thing where the "producer" cracks jokes behind the camera, that's a little less jarring esp for the vibe this show has
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Joey was awesome
Agreed
@@makah.19x89 tf girl? The emoji is for her saying something in a nice way unlike the other comments trashing the poor dude
@@pistashleyo5897 I feel asleep while listening to the story. It must have accidentally typed and sent it. I don't have any negativity towards anyone.
Bailey is literally the girl that every girl wants as a bestie! She's that one friend that seems to get along with everyone! How?! U know, u hate that u love her so much, because there's nothing to hate her about? The kind of girl that you're intimidated to talk to, but when you finally do, you realize what REAL friendship is supposed to be like... In other words, she's such the HOMIE! 😎💜
Exactly 💯 right!!!!!
Yeah, but once she’s your friend, I wouldn’t wanna share her with anyone. SHES ALL MINE!!!! 🙀💙😻
I support her, but the monetization is a little excessive ngl.
She's great at what she does,she sells herself very well, we all know what we yearn for in a person,she serves it up wonderfully, worthy of watching,
I'm fine with the ads. It's her job, and the videos are all free to us.
Right! Bailey is such a great story teller!! And stories that need to be told. I love how she’s able to add video clips & pics. some channels don’t. Love her personality & I’ve become better with my mascara.
The classic movie “One Flew Over The Cookoos Nest” with Jack Nicholson ends with this horrible surgery.
I'm LOVING the makeup free ad breaks. Girl knows how to go glam no doubt but I love her confidence in her bare face. Which is beautiful.
Come on she still has makeup on just not as much
@@jemimahkendall6579 the first ad she has zero makeup on. I've watched enough of her videos to see that she has nothing on in the first ad. Haven't gotten through the rest
I had a history professor who would insert his own comments just like Bailey. Best professor I've ever had. Kudos to you Bailey for informing and educating people about the darkest parts of our history.
Probably the most entertaining professor for sure bc I was bored to death by all of my history instructors
Yes one of my history teachers taught like this and I loved her
Love this ! I did a project on lobotomies for my class in medical school and the Info Bailey has in here is basically what I had ! Sooo love that for the both us ❤️🔥
Absolutely love Bailey's eyebrows. She's really done a fantastic job! Love Bailey Sarian. Shame that she's NOT a history teacher, i hated history at school. But id definitely be attending every day with great enthusiasm and excitement if Bailey Sarian was my history teacher. She's so, so much better at teaching history than a whole lot of these history teachers that we've got today in our education.
Love you Bailey. Always never miss Bailey's dark history. ❤️😊👍🏾
Bailey: thank you Joey for the unnecessary commentary no one asked for
Me: SAMEEEE
Is this the marshmellow eating bloke?
I don’t want Joey to come back. Bailey serves the comedic relief enough , don’t let him come back
@@23rainbowroses13 I didn’t even think he was funny his little sexist jokes that were thrown in killed my vibe! 🙄Bailey is funnier alone.
@Death Omen it's still annoying, and way too abrupt
My great uncle had a botched lobotomy when he was just a child. They did it to cure his seizures but all it did was left him disfigured and forever stuck in the mind of a small child. He was the sweetest person though.
That's so sad but unfortunately you cant even be upset or blame the parents, they trusted the doctors and what they felt would work best, they were dishonest about the statistics of the possible outcome and only showed those that were successful so parents of course wanted to help their children anyway they could and trust doctors to be honest about all the possible outcomes. I'm sure parents that opted to have it done on their kids ended up carrying a ton of guilt and sadness after seeing the bad outcome then later discovering the doctors lied and hid things, I'd feel awful for trusting a doctor and destroying my child.
@@rightburst71 absolutely agree. It’s just so heartbreaking to think that all of these people were just experiments against their own will.
I am loving these Dark History series. Will you be interested in doing an episode of Rosemary Kennedy who was forced have a lobotomy.
I've only seen two episodes and I love this series. Definitely can't listen to it in the background when doing something that requires undivided attention without breaking and snickering.
love that the kennedys were concerned about their single daughter sleeping around but not about their married son doing it *eyeroll x10000*. Also, i believe her father requested rosemary get the lobotomy without the mother knowing until afterwards.:(
I’d have been a widow within hours if my hubs did that.
Joe Kennedy was well know for his womanizing to put it mildly and encouraged his boys to do likewise and praised them for it. Trying to maintain a sterling image and reputation because they were Kennedy's is laughable and absurd.
I had no idea about poor Rosemary though. I knew she was disabled but never knew the Dark History behind it! Talk about not being allowed to join the boys club! Smh 😒
So sad 😞!
That is true. Joseph Kennedy had Rosemary lobotomized when his wife was out of town. She came home to that shitshow.
Ugh. The Kennedys were/are toxic
Walter sounds like he needed a Lobotomy for his delusions.
Classic narcissist
He does haha 😂
This is an awesome comment lol
@@kerrimunday5170 thank you 💞
I just love you Bailey lol so much fun and so informative enjoyed this vid immensely thank you for all you do!!❤️
I so glad I stumbled on you on fb years ago. Really enjoy your shows. Gets my mind off of life. Thanks
something that was left out was that Rosemary’s mother didn’t know the surgery was occurring! she didn’t find out until after the procedure :(
I was actually looking to see if anyone had pointed that out before I commented on it.
So true, I guess she was very upset when she found out about it.
They, the Kennedy's have ties to the Special Olympics due to the lobotomy 'incident'. Keep in mind that it was the Father of the Kennedy Family that did this to his OWN daughter.
I was wondering how could a mother do this to her daughter
Omfg if someone did something like that to my kids they would be unalive. That’s sickening.
Could that Joey guy not come like that again. I literally felt the lobotomy on me with his sudden voice as I was on headset 😅
I love how it feels like gossip no one is supposed to know but in reality everybody should watch this series!
Also, I love how Joey just pops in with random comments and food! 😁
Watching videos on terrifying subjects and nothing scares me as much as much as Joey the lighting guy popping up 😂 I literally jump when he pops up. So used to it being like gossiping with just Bailey it's odd.
What's the point of Joey? Bailey is enjoyable all on her own.
1000% agreed ✨
@@Lbaz623 577t
He is like the commercial
Yeah, he's rather annoying. Someone order that man a lobotomy, pronto.
@The Maelström YESSS!!!! Thank you !
“Couldn’t even make a salad without have a complete meltdown…” I felt that lol!
Quick edit. I’m sure Joey is a nice guy… but I’m going to have to go w the rest of Baileys cult and say Joeys interventions need to not. 🤷🏻♀️ It ruined it for me. I just felt myself getting irritated AF. I’ve always loved Bailey and she doesn’t need help. Her face. Was my face. Every time he showed up.
Perfectly put - he was really irritating AF. But yeah. As a person he’s probably a nice guy.
YES!
I'm sure he's nice, but yeah I agree. I actually had to check my phone to make sure youtube didn't glitch out and send me to another video the first time he appeared.
Yeah after the first time I had an inkling it wouldn’t be the last so I was on edge and couldn’t concentrate properly incase he popped up again.. which he did 🤦♀️
@@MikeyGryder same 🤣🙌
Please add the podcast to Spotify!!! I’m obsessed!! 😍😍😍😍
I found your page when I became pregnant & I’ve never looked back since. I get so excited to learn about history (my worst subject in school).
I don’t want no one to ever lose their job but Joey just isn’t it. Especially if you’re only listening to the podcast. It’s just not the vibe.
I think most people watch because of Bailey’s energy. There’s a reason she built this huge following and it wasn’t because of a producer making these types of suggestions. And I got the feeling she wasn’t sure about it either.
I agree. The podcast just doesn’t have the same feel as Monday episodes. It feels so… not Bailey. It’s like she’s being used as a puppet, made to say and do what the producers think the audience wants. I prefer pure Bailey. 💜
You said what I was thinking
10,000% this! At first I was thinking it was a play on mansplaining... But now I'm wondering if it was an attempt to cast a wider net. But there's a reason niches work the way they do.
100000% I was literally like why is this guy trying to hard to be funny??? It makes me cringe and I really love this and I don’t want to be complaining but if this can be removed I think it would be perfect
@@Deee45 that's what me and my husband said too..
“Thank you Joey for your constant commentary that nobody asked for” Bailey gets it right yet again. He’s too much for this show
agree, I actually think he is one of the writers, at the end they listed the writers , and one of the writers has the first name Joey. But idk for sure
@@catmomlavender3036 it really wouldn’t surprise me if he was tbh.
GET THIS PERSON TO SHUYT UP
I love dark history- honestly the best way to learn is with sass,honesty and gossip
The serotonin that hits me watching Bailey sarians content 😌
I don't know who's idea "Joey" is but his interrupting ruins the show. Please keep what works and that is: Bailey Sarian only!
Who is he exactly? I know it said "lighting guy." Is he really the "lighting guy?"
Agreed 💯!
I'm in the comment section to see if anyone else thought the same thing.
@@kristengrimm7340 One of the writers far as I can tell
@@cheepymcpeepy ahh, thank you 😊
@@kristengrimm7340 I actually think he is one of the writers, at the end they listed the writers , and one of the writers has the first name Joey. But idk for sure
Have considered Joeys presence as maybe a point of lightening up since the topics can be very dark ( but super interesting) but it kinda pulls ppl ( and me) out of the immersion of the story - but judging from Baileys face when he showed up such as At 24:12 tells me she didn’t expect / like it that much either
She could’ve edited all his parts out so i don’t think she really mind🤷🏽♀️
@@Thehighestindaroom223 Bailey doesn't edit Dark History. She's a host, and she posts the ones she does, but she's not the only host and they have their own editor.
I believe she still edits her own videos, but even looking at the videos. You can tell that DH is professionally done
@@tairamcbride7536 ohhh I didn’t know that, but than she could’ve told the editors to edit that part out for her if she thought it was unnecessary and irritating. Idk tho🤷🏽♀️
@@tairamcbride7536 and I’m sure if she didn’t like him popping up in the video she would’ve made her editors edit it out tbh
Everyone must have short attention spans… LOBOTOMY! LOBOTOMIES FOR YOU ALL! 😂
This is the most comfortable place to be when it comes to worm holes of a history lesson that tells the truth ❤
Loving this Dark History backdrop, Bailey!
1 year old has been crying & teething all day, soon as she hears baileys voice she’s calm again 😂 saviour
Try giving her frozen waffles to chew on.or a frozen wash cloth.clean,obviously.
Meee too 😁. I just need her to come to my house and show me how to do my eye makeup LOL
@@nonnalove🤣🤣🤣 Same girl same. Because I'm a hot mess over.
Teething rings help as well
I'm gunna try this with my 5 month old 🤣
Melancholia is another word for depression. My grandad's mother had severe anxiety her entire life and ended up having to have electroshock treatment for years. Having gone through regular therapy myself, part of me always wonders how she would have been had someone actually taken the time to listen to her.
What is interesting electroshock therapy i now very safe and painless it is actually helping people with severe depression now, there is a form of treatment kinda similar which includs some form of electricity (TMS therap) I did it myself for my depression and it helped a lot
@@agataandrysiak951 Helped a friend's husband great too. He was practically comatose - paralyzed with clinical depression. He "came back to life" after ECT.
ECT literally saved my life.
My Great Aunt had electro shock therapy and was diagnosed with Dementia and lived a long life but wasn't here and now. Makes me wonder if she had a Labotomy now...😳
I learn way more from this channel alone than school.
WOW!!! Quite the DARK history lesson!!! I am loving this show! Thank You Bailey!!! 💞
As a relative of a lady who was labotomised in the uk, I'd like to thank you for dealing with this subject in a respectful way. She also received electric shock treatment. Horrific! I didn't realise as a child but looking at her photo now breaks my heart to see the huge dents in her temples
this is heartbreaking. i feel so lonely just listening to this story i can’t even imagine poor rosemary
I feel like that is just 1 of the many reasons for the Kennedy curse
It brought tears to my eyes that they treated her this way
*scoff at "agreeable"
Imagine if I was living in that time they would treat me the same way
It's honestly mind-blowing to hear how many awful things happen in history
I would like to think I'm thankful to live in THESE times
@@rosynessrose6556 iiiu
Thank you for doing this one. I have been wanting to learn about lobotomy.
I love how bailey calls herself the princess of the dark
My husbands grandmother had a lobotomy for Schizophrenia. She was functioning, but never quite ‘right’.
May I know never quite “right” as in?
@@iamkels5297
I would think its like...
Just pick someone you know for years...
After this procedure you notice...
"not quite the same"
my curiosity needs to know more if you’re comfy