Grading is a Scam (and Motivation is a Myth) | A Professor Explains
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- Grading is a scam and motivation is a myth. Those sound like bold words, but today we're going to dive down the rabbit hole and prove, once and for all, that our current state of schooling (and of...well..._everything_) is rotten to its core.
...that's all a little dramatic, but that really is the goal of this video. Our schools are broken, our workplaces are broken, and our society is broken...and it's all because of bad psychology and bad economics.
00:00 - Maria's Story
03:22 - Intro
06:13 - Brief History of Grades
08:37 - Why are Grades a Scam?
13:13 - Assumptions About Motivation
16:17 - Why Is Motivation a Myth?
19:44 - Why Rewards Don't Work
25:50 - Fixing Our Schools
33:55 - Advice for Teachers
38:19 - Fixing Our Workplaces
42:52 - Conclusion
46:32 - Outro
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---Books
------Education: A Very Short Introduction - Gary Thomas
------Pedagogy of the Oppressed - Paulo Freire
------Punished By Rewards - Alfie Kohn
------Teaching to Transgress - bell hooks
------Ungrading: Why Rating Undermines Student Learning (And What to Do Instead) - edited by Susan D. Blum
---Articles
------"A Century of Grading Research: Meaning and Value in the Most
Common Educational Measure" - Brookhart et al.
------"A change to pass/fail grading in the first two years at one medical school results in improved psychological well-being" - Bloodgood et al.
------"Children's Task Interest and Performance: Immediate Versus Subsequent Effects of Rewards" - Fabes et al.
------"Do Material Rewards Enhance the Performance of Lower-Class Children?" - Janet T. Spence
------"The Effects of Contingent and Noncontingent Rewards and Controls on Intrinsic Motivation" - Edward L. Deci
------"The Impact of Anticipated Reward Upon Cross-age Tutoring" - James Garbarino
------"Motivation and Creativity: Effects of Motivational Orientation on Creative Writers" - Teresa M. Amabile
------"Problem Solving: Response Competition and the Influence of Drive" - Sam Glucksberg
------"Teaching More by Grading Less (or Differently)" - Schinske and Tanner
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My time in high school:
"How are you all falling behind? I only assign an hour of homework a night!"
"Probably because 6 of our 7 teachers assign an hour of homework a night"
they seem to always think that they're the center of our attention, ignoring the fact that many students have extracurriculars because society insists we have them, families they'd like to spend time with, and hobbies because they wanna enjoy stuff too.
Not only that, repeating mathematical operations over and over again is not going to make you understand mathematics neither learn it. It just makes you a human calculator... Does a calculator understand what it is behind fractions? what they represent or how they can be used? No, but they get them done...just like students.
“Alright I got everything done, can you please update my grades?”
“ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I’ve literally got 6 or 7 classes to grade do you really think YOU’RE my priority?”
The logic is always right there lol, but they really can never figure out that you are feeling the exact same way.
or when you don’t understand the 10 minute homework and it takes you an hour to complete
@@amiyahancock3056 especially when the homework has nothing to do with what you learned in class
"we're told failure is good yet we're punished for it" really made me rethink every single time i've ever been upset over failing a test
I also get confused.
“Failure’s okay, you just have things to improve on! Also your never getting into any university even if you didn’t want to, also your gonna end up on the streets. But like I said, failure’s good.”
It's so conflicting
@@davidkonevky7372 I don't understand why the school teaches us about something they get upset about.
grades determine what you get paid and therefore your future quality of life, YET we live in the double standard where you can only fail so many times before you think you'll end up homeless, poor, or a criminal because as much money has helped expand society it is the weak link that can doom us all. It's sad how experienced someone can be, but will be evaluated based on a piece of paper
My middle school teacher once told the class: "I hate the grading system, I feel that it's limiting student's creativity. So I became a teacher to teach students and telling them how much it sucks so maybe there's a chance one of them would grow up then change it." Honestly, the best teacher I've had.
@@DexterWallace57 She couldn't. She did try a few times though.
@@DexterWallace57Don't expect 1 person to change a policy or rule held by the government
@@DexterWallace57
Because one teacher with low pay can’t do diddle squat, but an entire generation that might go into the government could
What did DexterWallace say??
Yea
When I entered AP Art, I was shocked. My teacher told us we could draw when she was talking, we could read when a video was running, as long as we were inspired and willing to create. Why can’t more classes be like that? Drawing during class helps me focus, yet I felt like a criminal whenever I did it
Because in art it's a lot more subjective than math class. In math class you need an algorithm that will be consistently correct so you're not just guessing. Some teachers are a bit picky on what algorithm you choose, and of course they want to see your work because they're grading dozens of papers and they don't want to spend all their time at home trying to guess how you did stuff when they deserve a life outside of work too.
@@theboombody firstly: they never said anything about teachers, or maths teachers specifically, needing to be more lax in the actual results or presentation they expect. just that controlling how students learn isn't helpful. what matters should be exactly THAT students learn, not how. what matters is that you CAN show how you got there, and get to the right point, but as long as you can demonstrate that, it shouldn't matter what formula you used.
secondly: that it makes special sort of sense to teach this way in an arts program doesn't change the fact that a lot of arts and other creative programs will be taught in the exact same manner maths or physics would. which, as you note correctly, doesn't make sense. these subjects have a different character, different qualities benefit them, yet most teachers act like the only thing any subject needs is discipline. when most don't.
@@sourwitch2340 What you say is ideal but not practical. It assumes a teacher is an unlimited resource whose only pleasure in life is to serve the student. It's a unilateral contract where the teacher bears FAR more burden than the student. Not only do students need incentive to learn, but teachers need incentive to teach, and sometimes being able to do your job efficiently so you aren't spending 3 extra hours a day at your job figuring extra stuff out is nice. If you want to do something an inefficient and fun way, you can do it on your time and show your teacher later. That's what I did with my calculus teacher. I followed the algorithm he taught me on my assignments and showed him an algorithm I liked during his office hours.
Visual arts are not the same as typical academics… it’s much more subjective. There is no right or wrong in art (other than color theory or practical technical skills)… art requires thinking outside the box (as does writing) much more than the rudimentary academic studies of math, science, history, computer sciences you get in middle/high school… university math and science is a different animal where thinking outside the box gets you your PhD. I quit teaching visual arts after 8 years … the idea of grading an idea seemed counterproductive to the creative process.
My AP art class wasn't so lucky. Especially me. I always just did what I wanted to do, just following their rules just enough. Til this day, I hardly do commissions. Either someone is going to like my stuff for what it is or they can ask someone else who can.
"The purpose of school was to figure out what the teacher wanted and then give that to them."
This is the realest fucking thing and it makes me *furious*
LITERALLYYY
This is how a lot of people make big money. By figuring out what people want and then making it happen.
@@msi8311 time, context and purpose, my friend.
We are creatures with very strong pattern recognition... I'm not surprised whether we realize it or not, but God damn do I feel stifled in my education because of just feeling like I needed to pass rather than wanting to learn
That is pretty much how jobs work. That is the point of school to prepare you for jobs.
Schools: *learn from mistakes*
Also schools: *Don't allow students to retake tests or improve otherwise*
And no, that doesn't mean the school can just pile that on to everything else I do for the remainder of the semester, screw online school tbh.
*move onto the next subject before you can learn what you did wrong and how to fix it*
@@TrueHey thats goddamn awful
It's so funny...
Last year I wrote a D on my biology test, did every homework and handed in a small extra piece of work and got an A for that. I got a B at the end.
This year I wrota a D on my biology test, improved it to a C, wrote a B on the second test and overall did every homework I was asked to do. I got a C at the end.
How?!
@@TrueHey I believe many schools don't even have teachers who offer to explain what you did wrong in the test.
I've never seen a math teacher explain a student what the student did wrong. The same goes with English, Chemistry teachers and so on.
I believe most brush it off thinking students didn't study. That's one part many teachers fail at being teachers.
I actually don’t remember most of what I’ve learned in school because I was so obsessed with grades that I just studied really hard and spit it out in the test. That is what my teachers wanted me to do: not to learn, but to pass the test.
Truly though! Especially in my AP math classes (basically college-level classes that you can take in high school), the teachers always talk about "this is how you answer these problems on the _AP exam,_ and you HAVE to answer the problems THIS EXACT WAY on the _AP exam_ otherwise you'll _lose points"._ That's literally what they expect of us, if we forget to write "by the second derivative test" or something, then _we lose points!!!_
Truer words have never been spoken.
My friend said the same and I share the issue, although I never cared for grades as lomg as it passed. Barely passing was fine. I guess I didn't really keep a lot though, I just automatically memorized it for a while
Maybe Teachers are getting paid for every passed test
yeah, I don't really learn anything in history class because it's all lecture based and there's just a big test at the end of each chapter in the textbook so I hardly remember anything after we take the test.
One time my teacher in elementary told me- word for word- “this is too creative”. WHAT THE HELL? I was in elementary, let me use my damn imagination
I did everything the paper asked, but just with my own spin on it
I've never understood especially English teachers that seriously believe there's one right way to say a phrase
that was in elementary school jeez 😂
if anything this is a compliment- like who says "this is too creative" in this kind of way?
does this teacher want yall to be boring hiveminds that cant come up with something new or what
@@ControversialPricant oh it was not a joking tone, i had to redo the whole thing
That reminded me of a elementary teacher I had who once yelled at me for scribble instead of neatly coloring, pretty sure I had a kind of assignment that required coloring something and she had an entire fit on why I should restart cus I scribbled… this was in kindergarten. Yeah I still don’t know what the problem was, you have every right to be mad at that teacher.
“children grow up learning to walk and talk, but when they get older theyre told to sit down and shut up”
-some reddit comment i found
R/showerthoughts?
r/im14andthisisdeep
Important life lessons.
There is an appropriate time for each. When you have responsibilities, like rent/mortgage, kids if you want/them, there are some things that you just need to do, whether you like it or not. Most people don't *want* to get up and go to work everyday, but money doesn't grow on trees, so that's how we get it.
Pretty sure that was said in a captain underpants book
My middle school gave out "tickets" to kids who obeyed the rules. In actuality they only passed them out to the bullies who behaved once in a blue moon, because my constant upstanding performance is an "expectation" that doesn't necessitate reward.
EXACTLY
same thing with grades in my school, cause i get good grades 95% of the time that no one is actually surprised or proud of me, because it's how every student should be. but the second those with bad grades that couldn't care less actually put in some effort they got praised and given a good grade for the littlest task
that’s because a school wants everyone to behave and uses the least amount of resources to subjugate everyone in the classes. you do not matter, they could care less about you.
In Canada you have to take certain subjects like science and history in French and at my school if you spoke English during those classes you would have one ticket taken away for each word of English spoken by whoever caught you. All it did was create animosity between classmates and everyone was on edge trying to rat each other out.
My observation is that the awards go to the children whose parents are the most involved in the PTA or are rich enough to donate to extra curricular activities.
I had a music college professor who hated it so much, he said to us from the beginning: “If you attend three music concerts and write your papers with your genuine review of each of them, no matter what, I will pass you through this class.” We didn’t even have to pay for the concerts. The last one was a full on orchestra and he himself was playing violin. We need more professors like you, Dr. Walz.
A lot of older professors don’t like this system either.
The fact that his name was 'Walz' and he became a music teacher felt like it was destiny
My orchestra teacher is similar to that. He’s super chill, and he’s been teaching us since 7th grade. At our las concert of the year when the current seniors graduate, most people bring him something and people get awards and stuff, it’s really sweet. I’m glad that most music teachers actually take pride in their work, and have fun with it. It makes it better for the students too.
Unlike my music history teacher at the well-known arts school I attended, who said, "The only excuse for missing my class is death." I once sat in his class with 102 degree fever and chills because of that threat.
Oh, and I remember nothing from that music history class.
So, he just wanted to play and didn't want to teach. How is that good? You don't seem to grasp that he just didn't care about you. It's bizarre.
@@kj3d812it’s almost like forcing students to attend class _doesnt_ actually mean they’ll remember everything better, especially when they might have a literal fever.
My Psychology teacher said something that still sticks with me. He said "If you come to class every day with the assignment done, you get an A. If you come to class and don't do the assignment, you get an A. If you dont want to put in the effort, you won't get anything out of this class, but if you try to learn, you will grow by the end of this year.
now that is someone who is deserving of being called a teacher
My teachers did the same! I failed the advanced psycs midterm yesterday! (I was forced to be in that class by the councler) but my teacher gave us all 30 points so instead of a 50 I ended up with an 80! This semester I failed all my quizes for algebra and psysics but they always gave us bonus points and idk I forgot what my point was lol
@@sovietmusiclover8466seriously, teaching is such an important job and so many people who don’t care just end up as one…
@@HyperNova808 its weird how people who hate kids can go into a job where you do nothing but interact with kids
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"My teachers tell us to dream, but don't let me sleep"
That's one of the greatest quotes I've ever heard, did you make it?
@@prismaticguy DN made it
@@sorrychangedmyusername3594 DN is truly an inspirational person
Hmm
@@astralplains Daniel Novic is a truly amazing person, I could not agree more. DN is amazing.
I remember my dad told me once that when he was a student, he usually got pretty bad grades, so one time he decided he wants to change that, and he studied so much for a test, that he memorized the topic word for word. The teacher was convinced he cheated and gave him an F.
Ouch dude, sorry
That's the exact reason why alot of my siblings tried to just float through school since standing out in either direction, high average of low average, is a bad thing. Being known for a specific thing makes it hard to adapt to be something else in the eyes of others
Fuck school
What the f***
Perfect example of suffering from success
It's a no win situation for top students. My little sister is one. She got scolded for being noisy by simply asking what she misheard (her hearing isn't that good, but they wouldn't allow her to sit in front).
Then there's also the teachers who complained that top students are less sociable than average students and that they prefer to socialize with the latter. Who in the first place pressured top students to be quiet and behaved to the point of paralysis?
Teachers shouldn’t be socializing with any students. 😢😢
If she had a diagnosed disability that the school was aware of via a 504 plan (assuming you're in a US public school), you could fully sue the school through the ADA for not providing accommodations like preferential seating.
@@tobistein9831 yep! Preferential seating, repeated instructions, and visual supplements to lessons have all been helpful to me.
@@CheerfullyCynical829 maybe a bit too far there bud. I think it's normal for a teacher to casually interact socially with their students, like asking how their day is going or about their hobbies
I remember being in 10th grade, massively interested in history and mythology and everything along those lines. My teacher was very impressed with my knowledge, he told me as much. Near the end of the year he had to pull me aside and told me something along the lines of “I know you know pretty much everything I’ve taught in this class already, but your grade can’t be the one you deserve because of the amount of late assignments you’ve handed in.” I had proved that I learned all the material, that I knew everything that was being taught but because I was late on the assignments it looked like I knew and had learned nothing. After that point I had never tried in any class because I didn’t feel like it was worth it anymore, I did the bare minimum to pass and didn’t care about the grade because I would’ve just felt worse if I did. I was too sickly to do assignments on time all the time with all the assignment heavy classes.
The way grading works pisses me off
So you were always a lazy failure looking to blame others...got it.
School in generally sucks. From the start time to bullshit shit we learn that we definetly wont loose to grading which i dont get why it even exists
😢 Dude. I am sorry you lost your interest in history. I always interpreted my history teacher with facts I know and she one day told she told me to tell me what I want to shared my history facts I knew after lesson or she will call me into the office. I did but I still love history? How I handle my love for history? By me just doodling or just being super look hyper face during lesson when I learn something new..
for me, grades are an all round demotivator.
High grades = stops trying
Low grades = gives up
for me it's
High Grades - stop trying
Low Grades - Desperately try to bring grades back up to bare minimum, losing sleep in the process
I don't think that's much better either
No kidding!!!
High grades = I might've cheated
Low grades = Uh oh
High grades = when you accidentally get a lower grade, everyone says they're disappointed
Low grades = why should I even bother if all my work was for nothing? (stops trying)
@@triflest3542 I relate. I am a D/C average student, but am told I have the potential to get A+, even though I have never gotten that, even after studying for weeks. I am becoming a senior now.
I did my own little social experiment on my parents. They tell me if I get anything that isn’t of their expectations, that I don’t try hard enough, and demotivate me. I try my hardest, but I am not a very smart person, and I accept that.
The 3rd quarter, I decided to pull all nighters and try harder, breaking my mental state further than needed, and ended up with my grades being B+, B+, B, and a C+.
Their behavior and responses were the same. They told me I didn’t try hard enough and they expected more from me.
The next quarter, I let myself get down to a 23%. They allowed the D+ afterwards, which I raised myself to through more all nighters.
I’m not saying that they are bad parents, I know they want the best for me. But they need to try making that happen from a different angle.
What are your thoughts?
Good grades never made me feel "happy" or even good, they just felt neutral because they told me "That's what you're supposed to get" and every other bad grade just made me feel awful.
There was never a 'good' grade, it was just the grade you were supposed to have.
This
If I could like this twice, I would
Wanna know something ironic? Barely passing makes me happier than getting 100% on a test
@@ilvanasgobero8096
You just described like 93% of students.
Personnally i get 90% on almost every single test but i still stress a lot while taking the test, studying, or doing homework and im not smarter than anyone else, i just happen to be able to learn at school in the current system, wich i still think is trash because most of what i learned (especially in science) was by using the internet (sorry for the english mistakes)
It's crazy to me that when you started talking about avoiding risks, I basically had a flashback. My favorite teacher was teaching this technology class, and for one of the units we built robots. I loved it. I loved the actual building, the coding, and how when something didn't work I could change it. When finals came around, he said that anyone who didn't want to take a standard final could build a robot that could complete a simple challenge. I had the exact thought process you described of "That's too much effort and risk. I know I can ace the final, better just play it safe." It sucked because I really wanted to mess with the robots again, but I was already swamped with my other finals and I just made the calculation that taking the easy A would make the other finals easier. So there I was on finals day, trapped in a desk, filling out the little bubbles so fast that I had ample opportunity to stare at the wall and think about how much more fun I would be having if I had built a robot instead. No one else built a robot by the way
Oh this really drives the point home
It really is true that above all else, school teaches you to be quiet, obedient, and just like everyone else.
And remaining ignorant with the rest of the class about the rest of the world. 😢
I taught back in the 1980s and even then, and even in a suburban parochial school, many of the kids were not quiet or obedient. To all accounts it’s even worse today. So how come school can’t teach most people to be obedient? I would suggest that this is because children are sheltered by the adults to prevent them from harming themselves and that they all end up like Frank Zappa’s pajama people who with their “comfy little footies on the mind” cannot focus owing to all the warm fuzzies which are conferred upon them by all of the well meaning but plainly incompetent adults. It’s easier to focus and take things seriously when you’re being taught something potentially dangerous such as canoeing, where if you screw up you pretty much die.
That explained why classes aren't allowed to talk
Good luck getting ordinary kids today to not talk over the teacher in class. Ain’t gonna happen! There might be some discipline in military schools where they have license to mentally and physically brutalize the cadets but since there’s no selectivity or winnowing out of misfits in public school there’s virtually no discipline any more these days. And these days began back in the early 1970s not just with “Gen Z”.@@huyphamle159
@marcmeinzer8859 good teachers get the respect of there students without the need for discipline.
"We're told to learn from our mistakes, but how can we risk making mistakes when everything is on the line?" This just sent me to another dimension how do i get back
Don't focus on the getting back, see what you can learn while there, and if you find a way back, then good for you :D
I just died
I'm a natural risk taker and very confident so a lower than expected grade did not effect me. I liked learning and loved doing things the other students were not. I was a C student who was very good in math and English and was highly rated on test in my school and state, but only a C student because school was not built for me the way I am.
@@emanueljames7801 I mean, the whole concept is about not bringing competition in education and you do that indirectly by saying "i'm different from others, i'm built different". Good for you, imo everyone is built different but some fit more easily to the education system, that doesnt reduce them to sheep who are brainless. And if you say : "this is not what I meant", which is probably the case honestly, I have to say that it is what you communicate through your words, to me atleast.
@@dakys3660 No I agree but just like you can't throw "poor" students in the trash and forget about them. We can't forget that some people need challenge and competition to thrive. Just don't forget about those people, every needs something different.
you know, for a time when everyone tells you, “have fun these are the best years of you life!” I feel very contained and drained of anything good i used to have in life. I can’t wait to get old enough where i can get rid of school in my life. That’s not good.
Yes, school is a soul draining experience. I can really relate to this comment especially the part where you say you really want to graduate ASAP. I don't even feel like I'm being educated. I feel like school is just one giant 16 year old long homework to complete.
yeah, the best years of my live make me contemplate killing myself every day. The best years of my life make me hate every fiber of my being. Fuck these "best years of my life" bull shit.
I relate to this so much
You sound like me. Have fun with the recurring nightmares of not doing boring, soul sucking assignments for most of the school year and waking up thinking "Holy shit I've gotta actually do stuff or I'll fail to graduate" before realising that you're 27 and have been out of high school for years.
@@DragoonBoom Wait do you actually have such nightmares or even have _SLIGHTLY_ exaggerated the real situation
My 5th grade teacher straight up said she wishes she didn't have to give us assessments and tests. 10/10 teacher.
5th grade was the best, i got to stop being bullied from changing classes to A RIVAL CLASS AND I TOLD THEM NOT TO and guess what i got bullied for whole class. worst ways possible without them touching me. for the entire 5-8th grade stayed the same. but because of "YEA LETS DO EXAM THAT CHANGES TO HIGH SCHOOL SO EVERYONE SPLITS FROM HERE WHEN EVERYONE IS CLOSE" and i got to a class of a new school that doesn't care about me at all. hm where should i begin the only people there i cared about there left. it was just 2 people. one was a funny friend. he was, well, i didn't get to know him much. but he seemed like one. broke the teacher's table and they didn't even change it and he only left class because he wanted to go back to his country(ty him so much) and a girl that i could relate to. tried to help, but told me she wouldn't contact anyone from that class. yeah, i said 2. just two. why blame anyway? she was talked behind. but i couldn't even say goodbye practically. at first when i tried to cope with her leaving i thought "well at least that bully from other class won't talk to her" no, she did talk to him. no wait, don't misunderstand, by bully he hits her often, and by often i mean often. she usually sleeps and is relatable ever since she just left it felt empty also the first person i mentioned. man i wish i saw that table being broken pffftttt
i just wish this class was made online so i could find a way to troll and whatsoever. it'd be easier to talk as i can't just, like, texting may be easier or just while teacher is afk during zoom or something talking at that time was easiest as a feeling. you know, if it wasn't for me worrying about what people would think if i said something i'd be so talkative. i even tried. did my best. i was gonna talk to her ALWAYS but she was sleeping. do you know how hard is to just wake her up? dammit. i still don't get how she just returned to school to see that bully, say hi, then leave. and she also talks to the quiet kid i don't know why. i entered the class late due to being a short timed one before. if i entered before, maybe i'd know better. but there's plenty of things i wanna take back...maybe it's a great time to mention this part since i forgot to do so earlier.
i never was taught about how to have just a lover while not being awkward. there was this cheater i met in preschool and returned only to cheat on me and just make me colder person than ever. not in an edgy way, everything is turning me to a, no, i haven't accept that yet. it doesn't make sense though, i did nothing to deserve this, why?? i'm pretty sure everyone does something wrong at one point and i tried to redeem myself instead of using excuse even though that could be understood! i saved people from dying, being lonely and were there at their worst times. i'm gonna go to hell now over not choosing a religion? it was assigned from BIRTH. what will happen if i leave? i'll have a guranteed hell for one god, right? maybe it isn't for that religion but the fact that it could be. i haven't looked it up i'm not risking RNG for this matrix of a hell cooldown state. if god was moral and proven himself to me, i'd maybe die for that. to save the world? the world is full of people that believe religion over morals(not due to effort, some religions say "atheists will go to hell" yet they believe so they go to heaven, that's selfish. oh, don't worry, i don't see selfish as a whole. i'm selfish because i'm not grateful for having this stupid life before going to hell and burning for nothing. well hey, it required a spell. haha, good one. pfft what do i have to lose anyway i'll outlast every people i care about because i'm coward to let myself be gone. but i can't. it feels wrong. but i don't wanna ruin at the same time either. this, "chance", or whatever, blessing in some way...maybe god is trying to force my way to heaven as it just applies to me for this morality sense, but. no, stop saying it's main character syndrome i'm just trying to understand everything if you have a problem understanding that go away. i can't take this anymore. maybe i'd go along with one of these of what i could do but i can't get myself to not be lazy. or other way around, skip the trouble of life.
"i can't fight my own nature"
now some pyschos are just laughing because its "popular game quote haha", they still didnt leave well good for them. but i don't care. like what do i have to lose? i hate this, i wanna timeskip...
I think a good way to conduct a class would be like a D&D campaign. The teacher(s) have the information and general guidelines of what students need to know, and then they work together to figure out what they want to learn and how to best achieve it.
This would be so fun, having other kids wanting to learn what we do and doing it together (or alone) instead of the same exact thing that has existed since 1990 and has barley been changed except for major things that have been proven wrong
My school curriculum hasn’t even bothered to change the current date from 2008 to 2023
I think this is how Sudbury schools already work, look it up, it's fascinating and great!
So it’s basically like getting up to get the dishes because you wanted to and then not wanting to do them once your mom tells you to do it.
There's clearly more then that tho
No. Not at all.
YES.
it's more like you get up to do the dishes because you want to be cleaner, then your mom says she'll give you 10$ to do the dishes. it says that doing dishes is bad because otherwise you wouldn't need an incentive to do it, and it makes it about the reward for doing the dishes rather than the reason for doing the dishes
but also, that's happened to me before
@@Andrew-zi3iw I feel like it's more like this: You're planning on doing the dishes later this morning. However, your mom comes into your room chastising you because the dishes are all dirty and have yet to be clean. There is no reward for doing them, only the consequences of not doing them (same with school work and grades, no reward, just punishment), and now you're unmotivated to do it. You're just being forced to perform a certain way.
"If I don't grade attendance, my students won't come to class"
"That means your class isn't engaging"
That reminds me of some storytelling advice I once got:
"If your audience is cheering for the villain, it doesn't mean the villain isn't evil enough, it means your hero is boring"
If you're encountering a problem, it might very well be that your approach to the situation is the real issue.
Yes for real though. I had a really cool teacher back in college. He never once did a role-call, yet everyone still showed up at his class because we enjoyed his teaching.
Attendance is hella ableist too. Why should I be punished for being chronically ill?
the She-ra reboot being an exception
there’s also the point of motive. if a villain motive is morally better than the hero motive, people are gonna support it. the actions of the villains vs the heroes are important too
I agree with your comment in principle, but the implication that teachers must entertain their students is problematic. The motivation of students depends on the way the material is presented, yes, but it is ultimately their own responsibility to show up. As a teacher, I am in no way able to control what it is students want. So sure, perhaps students might not be excited to take remedial English, but they need the skills nevertheless.
god, the motivation bit hit home for me. i used to draw so much, back when my only reward was the joy of the process. nowadays i barely draw and when i do i am extremely slow and i struggle. i'm crippled by perfectionism and my reward being "you did it"-points, approval from peers and maybe some more popularity so i can use art to earn money on the side. the process has become agonizing instead of fun. it is so hardwired that i can't get rid of it, no matter how aware i am.
When I was 7 my parents bought my mom an old upright piano. There was a beginning piano book in the bench. I pulled it out and taught myself to play the piano and read music. Then my parents had me take formal lessons. There were graded recitals with report cards given after each recital. Many of my marks were “C”s. So I thought I was just very average.
Fast forward to my early 30’s. I was cleaning out an old chest and found my recital cards. In very tiny print at the bottom was a legend. Turns out a C meant “excels at”. So all those years I thought I wasn’t good enough to pursue music for a career, which is what I wanted to do. It’s taken a long time to believe in myself as a musician, and some days I have doubts, but I am finally doing what I love.
Good for you dude ❤
i mean good fucking shit my guy
but also thats a _really_ stupid grading system,
What kind of asshole gives kids grades for music lessons?
"Failure is good"
"The grade doesn't matter "
Then why do I still have nightmares about failing tests when I'm 42?
Because you are immature.
@@coldeed because he was traumatized
@@legiovictorum that's pathetic and overdramatic, like a crying child.
Edit: this is overly harsh way of putting it, so I understand if you hate the way I said it. I do believe it to be true, and i will not hide from my own poor choice of words.
@@coldeed you should be a Microsoft browser, because that was Edge-y as hell
@@lone_stick it's called honesty. It doesn't make you an edgelord just because someone will cry over it.
I love the Carl Sagan quote “My experience is, you go talk to kindergarten kids or first-grade kids, you find a class full of science enthusiasts. And they ask deep questions. “What is a dream, why do we have toes, why is the moon round, what is the birthday of the world, why is grass green?” These are profound, important questions. They just bubble right out of them. You go talk to 12th grade students and there’s none of that. They’ve become leaden and incurious. Something terrible has happened between kindergarten and 12th grade and it’s not just puberty.”
Parents shut up us for being annoying with these questions. We get afraid of asking again and so the critical thinking dies.
They learn how to use Google
There are always high level questions to ask, the kindergarteners will ask questions about the nature of the world they know (what the sky is, why colors are like how they are,etc) but older kids, in middle childhood, have budding moral systems, they’ll ask about death, purpose, and more. Google isn’t the solution. Also, Google is often an answer given to a kid, by a parent, who doesn’t want to answer them. They learn to shut up and Google, not debate and engage their ideas with adults.
people are curious for sure, but they dont want to work for the knowledge they say they want
Kids say a lot of philosophical questions, yes. But ask them to perform surgery, drive a car, do calculus, cure diseases, develop new energy sources...all garnered through success, failures, determination, and motivation to not roll over and give up.
After years of being an ADHDer in the school system, I have had to relearn how to fail. For so much of my life I was punished by the school system for thinking out of the box and getting things wrong but I have learned that that is the only way to gain a true understanding of the world around us. Failure is the greatest thing that can happen to us because that is where we truly learn and yet that's not how we are graded. Especially when it comes to homework assignments. Homework assignments are take home quizzes that are graded based on correctness, not how much the student engaged with the material. It's a terrible sentiment and is so genuinely harmful to students creativity and problem solving. You can't be a problem solver if you aren't willing to fail. You can only solve cookie cutter problems that you have crammed into your head a million times through rote memorization. I hope one day this can change but I am not confident of it.
Unless you want to hear someone vent a general amount of their experience in high school so far while having ADHD, I don't recommend reading this comment. However I wanted to type it since, this is the most genuine explanation of my bum fuckery journey through trying to be a knowledge enjoyer. If you do read this, thank you , I appreciate you read on this random stranger.
I'm currently drowning as a Junior with adhd, my mom won't allow me to be assessed by a psychologist so I can't get a 504-b accommodation, and she keeps bugging me here and there on why I'm not able to do anything school related or focus on anything school related when I don't have any REAL SUPPORT. I'm just in a pocket of awfulness I can't get out of no matter the corner I look at. I find any and all creative and artistical work more rewarding than anything I do about school, it's just depressing, especially knowing that learning is something that creates enjoyment, the learning process has just been so muddied and put out of reach the more I'm unable to do anything. And I have been like this for the past 3 years, it's great
@@flouglemireindustries4335 oh wow, i’m going through something very similar rn lol. it sucks. a lot. i’m sorry that your mom won’t let you see a psychologist, that’s horrible (and makes no sense either). honestly, if you can, lean further into that creative work that you do at home, or if your teachers let you, try to incorporate some of it into your work (though i doubt they will unfortunately). your point about learning is something that i also really agree with. learning almost feels like it has become a chore in my life because of hs. i remember vividly wanting to learn all that i could when i was younger, but now i just feel burnt out. the school system sucks. at the very least, there’s only 2 more years of hs.
@@defaultdan7923 After reading this I felt like dabbing you up and then hand shaking, thanks a lot for your comment bro. I hope we either get through this or spark some change, or both. I don't know what giving up really means at this point, but whatever it is it might not be what I'm going for. Just a few more years of this, and hopefully something spiritually fulfilling
@@flouglemireindustries4335 I'm in college right now and I feel this on a fundamental level 😭 I have autism too so add that to the pile lol. I really hate being forced to pay for garbage I not only dont want to learn, but isn't even helping me reach my goals. I'm going for computer science and I have to take algebra, college writing, and speech. The algebra I'm doing isn't at all even closely related to anything I would be doing while coding 😭 I'm so uninterested in these topics and its really killing me. My motivation is low, I'm burnt out and hateing life honestly. I'd be excelling if they would just teach me the things I cared for. Or at least teach me stuff I'm going to need. But no I have to pay for garbage classes I won't remember. Grr. Its all so annoying. I had the same issues in highschool said I wasn't going to college and somehow got convinced that it would be different. Its literally highschool but I had to pay for it. Them everyone goes oh but it gets better later, like I shouldn't have to wait. It should teach me what I'm paying them for now. Sorry for the mini rant lol. I could go on and on and on honestly. I do at least like my college writing teacher so that makes it slightly better. He does actually care so it helps a tiny bit.
Hooray for deciding that fear and punishment are problematic sources of motivation and for some of us choosing not to pass along generational trauma. "iT hApPeNeD tO mE aNd I tUrNeD oUt AlRiGhT"
Man I hate when people say that. Especialy when you realize it is actually a lie. They say it because they are trying to convince themselves and you that it is the right way.
"It HaPpEnD tO Me AnD I TuRnEd OuT AlRiGhT"
No my lad you did not
@@funnychannel5068 exactly, functioning and functioning well are two different things. yes people who are taught like this can function, but not in way people should be able to.
@@funnychannel5068 i think its also because they don't want to accept that all the pain they went through was wrong and not necessary, that they were wronged or wronged themselves
@@sarah12232 I agree. I might now understand them a bit. It is kinda hard to admit that you suffered for nothing and to deal with it. Thx for letting me know man 👍
It's weird that people assume garbage collection is an inherently "shitty job". Yes, you're going to smell really bad at the end of the day but so will the guys who work at the morgue.
The garbage collector keeps human living space clean and comfortable. He improves the functioning of the community and helps with public hygiene. This is honorable, dignified work that shouldn't be looked down upon because it's "unskilled" or "dirty".
Edit: By "shitty" I mean it's somehow a "shameful" or "failure" job. I am fully aware that it's exhausting and not at all good for the person in the long term.
I work as a maintenance worker in a large retail chain.
Its easily seen as the bottom of the barrel almost a shameful job.
I thought i didnt want to do a job like that but took it because its what was available to me at the time.
Ive worked several dept and a couple different stores through my years and ive never been happier and have decided ill be doing this work into the future until i can establish my career after school.
@@splash6267 And then some of the people judging this type of work are doing nothing but scrolling through twitter behind their desk, being useless. As a maintenance worker, everyone will know if you screw up your job, so you can take pride when it is done well. If you can scroll trough twitter and nobody notices, your job is probably rather useless, self-worth probably drops, hence the need to look down on people. My hypothesis anyway. But I do hope people slap me if I ever degrade these base level jobs.
By the way, what would you consider a proper name for this category? Low-skill or low-level doesn't seem right to me, base level points at the fact that a lot of people are relying on them, but don't know if there's better words
@wannes ceulemans oo interesting theory and question.
Honestly i agree, because it is relied on and people who scroll through twitters arent as easily noticed.
If i had to change the title i would call it safety worker and hygein management. Sounds fancier lmao! But in reality that is what we are doing, my job isnt only taking out the trash or cleaning the toilettes. Its cleaning the floors to make sure its clean and presentable so no one trips, its cleaning up hazardous spills one shouldnt clean up without training or protective gear. Its disinfecting through a time like corona and having safe and comfortable spaces for associates and managers to have breaks or work in.
I would call it low skilled entry level but it doesnt mean its easy work or even not alot of work.
I work with someone who doesnt care about his job, who refuses to do what he is asked even by store management. And im left managing most of the store by myself, not necessarily anyones fault but the coworker and if we were fully staffed it would certainly be easier, however attention to detail and being mindful of dirty and germ gathering places is a necessity in a job like mine.
I feel happy i can provide a clean and safe space for both customers and associates alike
@@splash6267 tnx for the reply, I'd call it 'simple' but not easy maybe. Considering the video, I think it would be really interesting how these types of jobs/this type of work would be dealt with in a different system. I've worked a student job in a supermarket filling shelves and for free in a student bar filling the fridges etc. and in my experience, fact that in the student bar there is no 'boss' and hourly wage, but a group of equals relying on each other to keep the bar running makes everyone much more involved and motivated, even without any pay.
Fun I found out the local garbage collector makes 30/hour in my local houses
"Without grades, how will students know how well they're doing?"
Short answer: You talk to them
Short answer ya watch them do it. Scouts in this example watch the adults the whole time let them free and they will copy you 100% of the time is flattering and horrifying when you thing you wasn't being watched at the moment and make a mistake.
long answer: you tell them
you help them understand how to assess themselves
One of the critiques of grading was that some teachers grade harder than others, so grades are only partly objective with a subjective component. Of course, in this video, that imperfection is treated as completely discrediting all grading.
I find it hard to simply trust that teachers whose grading is untrustworthy are going to be really great at giving accurate verbal feedback, where there is even more room for subjectivity (on the part of the teacher as well as in how it's actually *heard* by a student).
@@zephsmith3499 this is a good point. While I like the idea she was pushing, my thought was how can you know for sure that students are all being taught the same material?
“In her place was an anxious teenager who saw school as a barrier to her future; or just a means to an end. And who had missed all of the learning that was supposed to be happening there. School it seems had gotten in the way of her education.”
Although I am a few years older than a teenager, this phrase describes how I feel about school as I attempt to slug through my last 6 college courses.
Despite being good at English and not doing any studying for midterms, I passed all my English classes, though physics was low, at that point my parents said it was fine because I was absent for a majority of school thanks to illness, they never got mad at me for failing Chinese mathematics or Chinese history, so far the latter is doing good but Im still struggling with the former, and I can barely get my mind off of anything, stop listening to anything without being fearful and anxious of failing, to the point that I want to just stop going to school, to just stop going outside, and I just want to curl up in a ball and disappear, I just want it to stop
Im in university and I feel like this. I had deans list last semester, but now I can’t even get sleep on most weekends and this ultimately lead to me getting burnout.
Gotta love how we're forced to spend the most important parts of our lives being emotionally abused for the sake of learning in a way that is awful for learning.
honestly there is no drive for learning when the systems like this which is different when you find something you want to do and worse is that we cant change a goddamn thing about this system even though we know whats the flaws and the parents dont give a shit other than we get full grades or not and go as far as abusing their children or even worse in India
@@yourself_and_i_music There is no “good way” of learning if the student does not care for the subject in the first place! You can’t just make yourself like things.
@@gummy5862 well im pretty sure alot of students don't 'like the subject cause of how its presented to them like how some people hate greens but if they go well with something else they might like it. its how the subject is presented and delivered to us and there are people who don't like that too then they should jut be given more options.
We spend 20% of our entire life in school and 33% just by sleeping.
Knowing the fact that students are creatures who don't sleep we can add the percentages together and we get: 53%
This means that we only get 47% of our entire life remaining, and that is 37.6 years.
Out of the promised 80 years of life we only get 38 years to actually enjoy 💀
Edit: I did more accurate calculations by throwing in factors like chores, traffic jam, actually assuming students get sleep, eating etc. And I now arrive at the conclusion that we only have 46.4100596380125% of our life left, about 0.6% decrease than the one I calculated originally. So we finally find that we spend (cue the drum roll):
37.12804771041 years of our life left.
Out of the promised 80 years of life we only get 37 years to enjoy 💀
Edit 2: Added in college since you want a job and not starve to death and we have 38.91% left.
That's 31 years
Edit 3: We actually spend 7% in school (or 13.2% with homework) that means that 38.91% goes up to 45%, which is 36 years.
Edit 4: 85% of people hate their jobs so it's most likely you will join them too. 30% of life is spent in job which reduces us to 15% like holy shi-
Edit: I did more accurate calculations and got 9.43%
@@78anurag You also have to do homework, hygiene, chores, etc. you get much less than 37.6 years when you factor in all the crap you have to do in life.
POV: It's the end of semester and your grades and motivation drops
can't drop harder if it has already hit rock bottom. *Think smart*
literally me right now.
yeah literally 2 more school days left and here I am at 4am
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@@anjalitenshi3625 just hit 4 for me now, and yes i have 1 week left
I’m 15 right now, and wow this hits so close to home. I used to be such a curious kid, and I’ve watched my work steadily get worse as I start pulling crap out of my ass, instead of putting everything into projects I used to care about.
I’m 13, and I think the same thing might be happening to me.
im 14, and I completely relate. Hell, in kindergarten i was excited to do work, to the point I demanded more to do (this pissed my teacher off and my mom got called like twice). Now i'm here, 14 and can barely make myself do anything. The only class I'm doing great in is Digital Design. Not only does it apply to me because I want to persue art as a career, but I'm given freedom. Recently we made a cereal box design, we could do anything we wanted to, we just had to use what we learned. I made a cereal brand called King Parahna-nas. It was dumb and played on tropes of man eating pahranas so i pretended it was made out of people. I'm still so happy about that project.
I can't say the same thing about my other classes. I started Biology Honors this year and I was shocked when it was nothing that I needed in that class. I'm not doing the best in it now, despite my passion for biology.
Yeah. There’s a final AP presentation I’m gearing up for in Seminar, but idk if I should take the risk of carefully considering the research question that interests me because it’s atypical for the class.
Also 15 here! Yeah idk where my passion went. I used to put real effort into projects, but now I have so much stuff to do, the goal quickly became do everything as fast as possible.
yeah i dont want to learn anymore i just want to pass
Now imagine all of this but for someone who is neurodivergent. I have Autism and ADHD. With Autism, everything you need to learn is incredibly overwhelming, not to mention the loud environments, the cramped rooms, the smells of odours, the cafeteria food texture, the social anxiety you feel and how lonely it is to not have any friends. Though the majority of these problems can be solved with a quiet room for just you, and people like you. However, ADHD is an absolute beast...
Here's Jonathan. He's 14 years old and he has ADHD. His current hyperfixation is The Legend of Zelda.
Jonathan has to write about the civil war, but his brain is so incredibly messy, and he has no motivation to learn about something he has zero interest in. Because he has ADHD, rewards do not make him more motivated to work, that is not how it works.
When would I ever need to use this infHow long is the master sword actually?o. It's... It's- uh..How many Links have there been so far? Wind waker...Hero of Time...hm... oh right Link, the hero that fights wars, that reminds me of my assignment... uhh.. I was gonna write about iDoes Link and Zelda like each other? Which generation of the-t they.. Uhm, oh sorry what was I saying? I should write about the civil war right... but it's so boring, I really really really really really reallu realluy realelrly realylyl realylymlm realvc reALlY reallLY REAALYLlyg don't want to search about it... it's so much work... I just.I'm gonna open youtube, I can't... I just can't...I can't do this...Ooh a tears of the kingdom playlist!!
Here’s Clover:
Oooh okay interesting bio wo- lights are too bright- WHY IS YOUR VOICE YELLOW? SHUSH- math? Math? Okay, math- oh yayyyy Minecraft son- nope. Too loud. Now more work- but fun? Nope. Running out of idea- YES! now i wait- …wait, what was it?
ADHD and SPD is an annoying combo in school 😅
As silly as this must sound... This totally explains why I can write 10k words in a language that is not even my own of a silly little fan fiction, but will procrastinate until the last seconds to write a single one page essay for a grade.
exactly, is the passion and interest, school doesnt feed them, it rewards memorization and timed questions/projects which pressure us to do well but not feel well about the product we arent invested bc its not our interest
I wrote 10000 of fanfiction in an hour and 100 of my homework...
As a non english speaking person who likes writing characters AND is a big procrastinator, this is so true
Pls show story idk english not two strong 💪🏻
I never thou about it that way, but now that I do i see why I do the same thing.
It appears i am not the only one who has once questioned why they put more effort into their own stuff over school.
You know something’s messed up when students are EXCITED to be sick and stay home.
true
we weren't suppose to be? ._.
I was so excited when my math teacher got hit by a car because it meant she couldn't check my test and give me a bad grade.
@@annikaukkonen ngl that actually sounds relatable
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It’s even worse at the corporate level. I worked for a company that had a push where it said ‘INNOVATE, DON’T FEAR MISTAKES!’. Of course there was no budget earmarked for ‘innovation’ (everyone had to make their numbers) and, wow, if you were a penny short the hammer came down. One of the good things about school is that if one learns the right lessons it can prepare one for how the world actually works and the scams that support it.
I had a class where the teacher graded us entirely on participation and effort. We were all encouraged to ask questions and go on deep dives. It is still my favorite class of all time.
The scariest part of getting constant A's isn't that they don't feel earned, it's that they lose their luster and become the norm for the student. When I got straight A's for the first time, I was ecstatic; That was in middle school. In college, getting all A's feels like an "oh, good job, you passed" moment.
For me I just try to keep my final grades above a 95 so I can get a scholarship to one of the better colleges in my area
I started getting frustrated when I only got the highest scores in uni, because I was putting less and less work into it, and yet the results were still the same, so I realised I didn't have to try to do anything at all, because clearly it did not matter. And I used to actually be interested in these things, I used to be passionate about them - but I had to quit this course to actually regain my interest in the topic.
In addition, at least in my experience, if you started getting straight A's and it has become the norm, there is an immense feeling of failure associated with anything that's not an A, while getting A's has no positive feeligns associated with it as you described.
I just graduated high school a month ago; I crashed and burned out super hard because I was the Prodigy Child (TM) of the family and instead of a positive "you did great" type thing, getting an A in every class became almost a requirement for me at home, and by the end of the year I felt like i wasn't doing much of anything for myself rather than other people.
I was a straight C/D student and I needed an A to get into maths A level. I worked really hard to get an A in my GCSE two or three months before they started. I was in set 3 so they only taught foundation maths which baisically meant I was on my own to learn the higher stuff. GCSE results came and I was 4 marks off an A. I told all the maths teachers my circumstances and how I had improved from a level 4 to almost a level 7 within the span of 2-3 months whilst only being taught foundation math at school, but they were all adamant that I was unfit to do maths A level because of some made-up grading system. I come to find out that next year they had dropped the A level math requirements from 7 to 6. Dumbass school bruh 😒
The one meaningful that thing school taught me is how to succeed at something by putting in the least amount of effort possible
Efficiency?
@@yu_cp8978 if you consider efficiency as doing everything in the last minute and not actually learning anything, so yes, efficiency
@@brenosilvamorais2510 No, but doing tasks succesfully with the least amount of effort is.
@@yu_cp8978 it would if you consider school as a business instead of a place to learn and develop
@@brenosilvamorais2510 Efficiency is a skill useful for so much things in life. Anyways, I don't want to insist with this since my 1st comment was to show the weakness of OP's argument rather than defending schools.
I hated school. I was very unhappy until I got into college. I just don't think grades are the problem.
I could get an F, I could get an A, it doesn’t ever phase me because I spend my time in classes teaching myself useful skills like coding. Crazy to think how even if I failed all my classes I’d have a leg up on all my peers because I’ve built up real skills for the world. Shows how useless our education system is.
That skill might enable you to live comfortably for some period of time, but with the uprise of artificial intelligence your skill just wont be important anymore, sorry.
@@DoneWithOtherPeople that can be said about everything, your ignorant to think otherwise
@@DoneWithOtherPeopleno, it will not. Ai code is terrible because it isn’t tested; who knows if it will break sometime in the future? It could be a day, month, year whatever and will break. I’m not saying that code made by humans will never break (that also will happen whether you like it or not), but code written by humans is better and tested a lot, whereas ai code isn’t really tested.
@@dragoneater2008_ ehh we'll see what future brings us
@@feixin_duke No, not really. Jobs that require basic human traits such as caring and empathy won't be overtaken by AI, it seems you're the one that's ignorant in here ☺️.
I’ve hated school the way it is for a while. I’ve always loved learning, but school isn’t learning when the focus is put on the idea that if you don’t meet a certain standard, you’re a failure. You’re worthless. You don’t deserve a good place in the world. I used to love reading, and it’s not like I hate it now, but there was this dynamic put on it. “Read this amount of books by the end of the quarter or else”. If something is threatened to be taken away from you, or even given to you for a certain task’s completion, it diminishes your resolve and compassion for that task. But no matter how much I preach, everyone seems to just think I’m losing my passion for learning.
For me, getting a bad grade just screams at me "Your life is over. Your not going to succeed in life, nobody's gonna want to accept you into their school, you're just dumb, hopeless, and sad."
And getting a good grade just makes me feel temporarily relieved.
I hate being able to relate to this
At this point I've becaome totally numb to good grades because it's so rare and feels so not worth it, like just yesterday I wasted my whole fucking day me and my aunt repeating over and over all the arguments that were explained until now and today I got like a 4 (I live in italy, this is a shit grade) because I "Did not answer to all questions" because the professor's idea of knowledge is answering awfully but to all questions
I wrote two paragraphs about why i hate myself. why? i missed one question on an assignment
@@MG-05 I live in Italy too and i feel you my friend. School really doesn't give a fuck about the effort you put in your studies, just the final grade :/
Ikr. I’ve actually become somewhat of a perfectionist. One bad grade gets me down for days, since I’ve always been told that bad grades = bad gcse = a terrible life with little money
This video is like every shower thought I had as a crying teenager.
@@devonrichardson44 well its on you to manage your stress, you shouldn't have relied on energy drinks knowing the consequences
@@acceptable1514 What are you talking about?
@@mir1999 i guess the comment was deleted, it was about a guy relying on energy drinks to focus in class and now he has a habit of drinking them often
@@acceptable1514
To be fair to the deleted comment, if the school wasnt putting so much stress on the student, the student wouldnt rely on energy drinks just to stay motivated. Its like blaming yourself of a coffee addiction when your company has absurd deadlines that are unreasonably stressful.
@@seraphywang4638 true, I started to drink coffee since quarantine since it's readily available here, and I ended up I craving for it more and more :((
I was 17, getting ready to go to a state college when a college rep. told me they didn’t even open HS transcripts. The bubble popped; my parents and teachers had been lying to my face for 17 years straight. Grades were less than meaningless, they were in fact insidious. Designed to measure sucking-up points and keep teachers feel validated.
I went never did another piece of homework Junior year through Senior year, my folks would start screaming about grades and I would rip the assignments to pieces in front of their eyes. Teachers learned to stop talking to me because I would be completely honest in my apathy towards their powerlessness.
I went from near 4.0 to like a 1.8 GPA. I graduated on time with the rest of the top students (could have finished a semester early but decided to take AP exams) and no one has ever seen my transcipts even through my BA.
Everyone lies. It didn't take 17 years for me to learn that 😂
Average internet comment. I find the comment much more beneficial and interesting than how ignorant you are to put it.@@richardscathouse
Reminded of how my foster parents took my trumpet away and I was forced to drop out of band class because my math grade was low despite the fact I've historically been bad at math. Like I have report cards from 1st grade that have stated that I'm not doing well and that I need extra help.
Being forced to drop band did not improve my grade, but it sure as fuck made me into a very resentful, angry, and very depressed teenager that turned into a bitter adult. I also never received any extra help in math.
I am also now an adult who has a gotdamn anxiety attack over being asked unexpected math questions that are fairly simple.
It's funny. I never had any trouble with math in home ec or shop. Only the meaningless papers covered with meaningless numbers I froze up on. 😅
Hey man, math isn't everything. We have calculators right?
Not when you're expected to do mental math
@@amyrenee1361
Don't worry bro/sis, half the stuff we learn in math at school ain't gonna be asked in real life unless you have kids that need help or smth.(like seriously who is gonna ask me what x-27=147 is???). Besides, even if you do need that stuff ever, you can always ask others for help! 🙂
@@Sarah_34210Buddy, I'm a couple years shy of 30. I know.
But that wasn't what I was talking about.
I'm talking about the fact that nobody cared to see what deep rooted problem I had when it came to math and why I historically have always been bad with it because all I needed to get a passing grade was short term memory, a few notes, and a calculator.
Grading is what dictated the quality of my school and home life and if my grades sucked, then I was punished and it made my mental state worse. My depression got worse. I also developed anxiety and perfectionist streak thats been wreaking havoc for years now. Because of fucking grades.
The danger of grading:
My brother very quickly determined that if he got good grades, he'd be expected to keep getting good grades and then his friends would make fun of him.
So, his scholastic history would be him getting barely passing grades and then slowly climbing until he was getting actively _good_ grades at which point he'd realize he was gaining achievements at his actual level, and his grades would immediately tank to start the process over again.
Not only did he not want to be mocked for getting good grades and being seen as a nerd, but he realized that if he stayed mediocre, he would be expected to be mediocre and there would be no risk he could disappoint anyone because they didn't expect anything out of him, so he made sure that he never achieved beyond that level.
My school life was different, but similar in result.
I skipped most of school (what americans would call highschool)
but after a couple weeks i showed to write an A.
So most of my grades were A's, but the infrequent attendance made my final grades C's.
I just couldn't handle school, i was quick to learn, but none of the topics made me stay for longer than 2 days. It felt like a dictatorship i had to flee from constantly, not a place where i could develop myself
I USED TO DO THIS TOO!!! I had big fights with my parents through middle school because I once made the mistake of telling them "If I get bad grades, people won't keep holding me to an impossible standard." For the rest of my K-12 career they threw that comment in my face as proof that I was lazy, when I was just trying to survive.
I sometimes wish I had done this. Being a smart and straight A's student came with it's perks but those perks weren't worth losing my creativity and my ability to learn the things I want to learn.
Is this attitude still common? Seems like a thing of the last century. Students with good grades are admired or grudgingly respected here. Seldom bullied unless they're weak/awkward/ugly. Grades are not the determining factor.
@@IshtarNike depends on the class, and their *class*
School: mistakes make us smarter
Also school: Oh no, you've failed your final test, now you must lose a year of your life seeing what you already know to finally complete your final test again
If mistakes made school smarter, then it would be an awesome school
It's like the worst game tutorial, you get thrown in and the tutorial lasts for about 20% of the entire game and then for the most of the tutorial they teach you useless stuff and then throw you out after it but now you have no idea how the game actually works.
@@78anurag And then you're constantly having to keep your head above water 24/7 because if you don't you'll fail or worse -get a game over. And this holds true even when you think you're safe on land too, enemies could come out at any time and attack you, chip away at your HP and cleave through your defenses until you're barely hanging on by a thread. And if you're lucky enough to pick yourself back up than congratulations, you've survived! For now. Because what the game essentially does is prevent you from growing and actually exploring the world around you. Now I bet after all of this that you're probably exhausted, sick and tired from being attacked on all fronts every second of every day so I'll let you in on a little secret -there's a tiny island not too far from the game's start where the tutorial took place and you can heal + rest there free of charge without having to worry about any enemies. Better yet, you can stay here indefinitely for as long as you want. But therein lies the problem. What this does is heavily discourage you from going anywhere and succeeding in the world beyond. Out there it's vast, highly risky and scary but it's also rife with new people, lands, cultures and animals you've never seen before. It's hard and challenging sure and you have to give it your all but that's what makes you strong, mentally or otherwise. But if you stay on that island -stay in your comfort zone where it's safe- you'll never get to grow or improve. This place has everything you've ever needed. Why would you want to leave? And even on that island it's still hard to feel safe since you still have to be on gaurd for enemies around the island. You have to be on guard constantly even then. What this does is cause you to coast and lounge about throughout your time in the game. It kills your motivation and spirit. Soon what was once a nice little Haven becomes... almost bland. Near lifeless even. That's why you have to leave and take risks little by little. Don't stay on that island forever. It might seem nice on the outside, but it's one of the strongest prisons ever build should you make the mistake of choosing to stay.
@@anamariaramirez9341 Very good 👏
@@78anurag Thank you! 😄
“Everything was a calculation, everything was a decision. Everything was based on what is my teacher looking for. What is the right answer and what is the path of least resistance that will get me there. The purpose of school was to figure out what your teacher wanted, and then give it to them.”
The moment I heard that and my gut reaction was “well yeah, duh, of course that’s all school was.” Before realizing how messed up that is was a life changing moment for me I think.
Here’s what grades meant to be
i basically barely passed everything in school, right on the line
Passing for me, meant not getting the consequences for not passing
It meant not needing to suffer more under a system i hate
It wasn’t a joyous moment of accomplishment, it was a moment of relief, a moment of avoiding consequences
When I was 14 I once got an automatic F on a math test because the teacher was 100% convinced I cheated. Why? Because I did long division in my head without jotting down the steps. Wouldn't give me the chance to prove myself either. :/
The hell?
Now that's some bs right there
I remember math classes in middle school taking 10 pts off my test grades for not showing work. So what did that motivate me to do? Spitefully refuse to show my work. Good motivation.
@@jzyjewski lmao gottem
well if the instructions told you to write down the steps, thats on you. But otherwise, you should've just called them out, dont be afraid to yell either because teachers won't be afraid to cut you off while you're making your point
This is why kids love video games... they are systems that reward you for curiosity and taking on challenges, kids can't get enough of fortnite because they are not getting that fulfillment irl
Not to mention, it's voulentary so you get to take on the (kind of) challenges that you want to.
This honestly, school is sooo suffocating
Video games reward you for doing something right or playing well. Your reward is that you win, or get closer to winning, or you get some kind of prize.
Your reward for getting a good grade in school is a letter A on your paper and the promise your parents wont get mad at you along with some nebulous promise of something you probably don't give a fuck about.
And besides you can fail and try again. Every single time you fail, you have the opportunity to learn and try until you succeed. Meanwhile in school, you fail an exam and all your academic career is going downhill
@@jackbright2125 ahh but people play a lot of times regardless if they lose
Or not to really win but just enjoy themselves
The reward is there but it isn't all there is
I have not looked at my grades in two months. Compared to when i constantly checked my grades, i noticed multiple things
1. My overall mood has increased.
2. I've been paying attention to smaller things in class a lot more, learning more in general
3. Ive been focusing a lot more due to my better mood, and I've been much more talkative and interested in what im learning in class, feeling more excited when walking into school
i wish i also do that but i'm in hs already
I don’t really think that’s a good idea
So what do you want to do for a career? Which college do you want to go to?
For me, school has always been determining what the teacher wants. I've said objectively true facts and been physically yelled at for it. Every time one of my friends got something wrong when they were right, I told them school isn't about whats true, its about what people want to hear. I used to ask all of the questions, I was the kid who spouted out-of-nowhere facts somehow pertaining to the topic. That has only gotten me into trouble and hostile situations with other students or even teachers. I've had many a teacher ask why their students aren't learning anything. The answer, the teachers aren't teaching. They give us lists of facts to memorize and them forget after exams or tests. We don't have debates, because in these arguments there is a right and a wrong. That's why my favorite subject in middle school was math. There was a right and a wrong answer, but the further you go with math the less absolute the answers are until its just as dubious as all of the other subjects. School doesn't work how its supposed to and the students are the people getting blamed for it.
fun fact: my high school was actually designed by an architect who was known for designing prisons! and I can wholeheartedly confirm that it felt like one too!
lol
Mine was originally a military base. It too, felt like that.
Visiting a prison and a military base is cool but staying there for years certainly is not
imo yes
SMNW was aswell i believe
My school was originally a prison 😂 I felt this
It's crazy to me that there are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of videos, essays, articles, etc. about this, and yet nothing has changed
Proof that talking about it doesn't get it done. Have to lead by example, like Stone Cold Steve Austin did in 2001.
Because money. Also, it's a lot of work to change the education system. If 1 local school changes their education system, then a college may not see the school as legitimate, or the students from 1 school might overall do worse/better than other schools. Then it would have to be uniform for every state/province, and then it would have to be uniform for every country so that stuff like "US students are usually worse at math than Chinese students" does not occur. It's impractical considering the required scope.
@@ShinyTillDawn lmao no they're just lazy and they dont care. The more uneducated drop-outs who are forced to take on part-time or full time jobs that pay next to nothing and hardly complain or have the privilege to rise above this, the better. Welcome to capitalism
@@PoptartParasol I simplified all of this in the 1st sentence of the previous reply. The rest of my reply was sort of explaining why a solution would be difficult to execute.
@@ShinyTillDawn Gotta agree with that
Last year we had to write about our favorite season of the year. Fall is my favorite season, so I got really into this paper. Over the course of a day, I wrote the perfect paper. Spending the most time on it as possible, going through many iterations. It captured everything I loved about fall, and I was so proud of it.
When I actually care about something I am writing about, my true style of writing shows though and it becomes very descriptive and elaborate. I can admit the way I write is odd. In a way, it reminds me of how lovecraft described everything. My admiration for his work has rubbed off on me.
Maybe it just wasn't what the teacher was looking for, maybe they were looking for an essay. It would have been a typical essay I would have written nonchalantly because it wasn't interesting or didn't align with my writing style. Whatever it was, my perfect showing of my feelings on fall, was marked with a C.
I have not written in my style since, and for some screwed up reason, my grades are better.
Here's what I wrote, because this is still one of the best things I have written.
"The waft assists the cool breath of Autumn, distributing its mellow circumstances unbridled far and wide across the lushness of crimson woodland. Following the chant of rustling, leaves plucked from the tree's foliage.
While the wind drifts, it seems they become animate, dancing their own particular steps. No two leaves perform the same motion. They each display individuality in an entirely different manner, and with time they stagger down until they join the hoard throughout the underbrush.
The breeze propels the fragrant Maple deriving from the secretion of trees. A trace of wood smoke from chimney tops; then the outlying growl of thunder as though emanating from depths of the loch. Haze rests on the gloss of the rippling water; reflecting a wash from the orange radiance of a setting sun. This is what I mean by beauty.
A long-tailed bird has presented itself to leisure upon a bough, serenading its rendition of Autumn. The song is a symphony. The symphony is a composition. With Fall's symphony surrounding me, I can view its elegance. There is not at all one aspect that I do not adore. My sentiments carried onwards along the leaves.
Autumn is the season of beauty, I declare, but only complete after it ends. Completion must be achieved only when the last leaf dances away. The symphony will cease, leaving behind the memory of Autumn's music. But who knows if the memory of this beauty may not linger even beyond?"
I notice when I get a reaally, really good feeling about a piece of my writing its usually more manic energy puffing me up. especially when I feel the piece is above criticism.
You paint a very fitting and unique fall image. However, I see you've got multiple descriptors that mean the same thing in the same sentence. Some adjectives here are very ambiguous, like "lushness". The ending repeats itself multiple times, is very introspective, and use of a question can seem trite. I can see why someone would score it low, even if it gets a 10/10 in the feeling category, especially if the submission ignored assignment instructions and learning objectives. Did the teacher not leave any commentary?
Sometimes its better not to pick as work a subject that is close to you. Or just do what you want and forget grades. It'll maybe average out high if you have passion and keep improving. Give them hell and they'll see you; a few might even learn to understand you.
What the hell how could your teacher mark this C. It's a piece of art.
Damn brother you’re the new William Shakespeare
I was afraid to watch this video for a long time because my self-worth was fully tied up in my high grades.
I think that sentence speaks for itself for how necessary this video was
Same here. I have always been heralded as an incredibly smart child from an early age because I watched and figured out how to operate things like the tv younger than most kids my age and at some point watched how my mother started up the car and tried to mimic it. I also learned how to play video games that other kids my age struggled to to figure out like the infamously gimmicky Donkey Kong Country 3 for the Super Nintendo (and got 103% complete too without a guide book). When I got good grades in school, especially in a private Christian middle school, I was basically hailed as the family savant. My self worth had become tied to my school success and the praise I got from it from my family. Then public school happened, and what followed was a sharp tailspin into depression from many things going on in my life once my sheltered bubble was unceremoniously burst that I am still dealing with a decade later after graduating from high school finally. My self esteem had effectively been shot and drug out into the street to be shot again just to make sure it was dead. I only very recently found out that I had untreated ADHD my whole life which I realized explains a lot of my behavior and thinking processes now.
When I went to school I hated it. When my mum would ask "How was school today?" I'd answer "Bad" pretty much every time, I had several friends whom I still miss today, I wasn't bullied or anything, I was pretty good in class, good grades and behavior and all that, but there was never any joy.
So my mum would say "Well you might not like lessons and work but at least you get to see your friends!" and I'd say "I'd rather not have to go to school just to see my friends."
Otherwise she might say "It's the weekend soon!" or "It's the holiday soon!" (we're British, so you guys might call it vacation). I didn't know how to express it at the time, but I hated the idea of spending 5 days out of 7 just waiting for a weekend, and then you don't even get to enjoy the weekend because you have to spend it recovering from the previous week, and preparing for the next. (Having to do homework on weekends certainly didn't help with this calculation.)
The thing that made me stop complaining was when she said "Wait until you're in secondary school, it's much more fun and you'll enjoy it."
I told myself "I'm just a kid, I guess they must be right, everyone goes to school I suppose it's just a fact of life..."
So secondary school comes around and guess what. It's just as bad and I still hate it...
The same discussion happens again "The holidays are soon" "You can spend time with your friends" etc. etc...
I told myself a second time "I'm just a kid, they must be right, everyone else seems to be enjoying school, I just got unlucky..."
At some point I started to lie, she would ask "Did you have a good time at school today?" and I'd say "Yep". I was sick of hearing the same things every time I said I didn't like it, part of me hoped that if I lied to myself I might start to believe it, part of me knew that my mum worried about these things so I didn't want to upset her.
So eventually secondary school comes to an end too. I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who didn't attend the achievement ceremony (of the people who passed, that is) [I don't want to call it a graduation ceremony because I'm pretty sure that's an American college thing, this was for a European baccalaureate if anyone knows the proper word for it].
I can't deny they did a good job of teaching me, I am pretty good at maths, physics, chemistry, I speak a couple extra languages, I can read a map, I'm slightly more musically educated than the norm...
University comes, my teachers had been telling me that university was the place for me, I was looking forward to it. Living away from home for the first time was great, making new friends was great, being responsible for my own timetable and daily routine was great. This lasted about six months until I realised I was just doing more of what I had been hating my whole life, but this time I'm taking on student debt for it. So I dropped out.
My parents encouraged me to try university again, so I took a gap year to chill out and tried again. I dropped out a second time. "You've just got to find the right course" someone told me... so I tried a third time and dropped out a third time.
The problem was that I was looking for the dream I had been promised when I was in primary school. The "You'll enjoy it when you're in secondary school" promise that had overlapped onto university. I was told I would enjoy it and I didn't. Every assignment I completed was a chore. My dad told me "But you find it fulfilling don't you?" I didn't. When I was 19 years old answering maths questions about chemical reactions and quantum mechanics, it annoyed me just as much as when I was 9 years old and answering maths questions about counting boxes, or trigonometry problems. It was more of the same.
At this stage I wasn't able to say "I'm just a kid" any more. I had to do something, and listening to what people were telling me to do wasn't going to work any longer, they obviously weren't right, and hadn't been right all along.
I'm now 24 years old, I'm still living with my parents, I've still never had a job, I've dropped out of university 3 times.
In the last couple of years of me trying to find something else to do I've taken up hobbies.
I gave Duolingo a try after a friend showed it to me. I found that learning languages is actually pretty fun, which makes me wonder why I hated doing it at school so much.
I have been making things, board games, models and so on, using my 3d printer. When designing the geometries of the things I print, I need to do a certain amount of trigonometry and I've learned that doing those calculations is actually quite enjoyable also, which makes me wonder why I hated doing it at school so much.
Even the simple act of running I've found to be fun... I sometimes wish I had more opportunities to be late for a train so that I'm forced to run and catch it, because running is fun, which makes me wonder why I hated doing it at school so much.
Looking back, I see all the things I was made to do as a child, things that I might have enjoyed doing if I hadn't been made to do them... it just makes me sad.
Lots of people my age are coming to the "I wish I had listened" stage, where they realise how much of their education they missed out on by misbehaving in class and not doing any work. I like to think I didn't miss out on my education and the only thing I can say about it is that I wish I hadn't listened.
Thanks if you've read the whole comment. I don't know how many people are going to read this, but I wrote it just to get it off my shoulders as much as anything else.
So, how do you earn Money if you don't have a Job?
@@cakeisyummy5755 let me know if you find out...
Thanks for sharing this
even as a student still in highschool, I hate learning in school. It sucks. Learning outside of school is fun. I watched videos learning about advanced calculus on youtube for fun. Later the same year I learned that same stuff in school. Learning on your own and finding what you enjoy is so much better than learning as a part of school. fuck school.
Thank you for sharing this, it is a really nice story
Hmm, this is probably why videogames are a happy place for a lot of people. No one forces them upon you, the reward most of the time is just getting to experience it and they're actually interesting/engaging, and if you don't like it you can just move on. Which is pretty much the exact opposite of school or most work.
But what if I like playing video games with grading systems?>
@@dudere you're a masochist. /j
@@thecommenter2711 As you should, games >>>> school
Yeah but modern games demand that you treat them like you do a second job. You feel so much pressure to do Ranked in World of Warships, or buy lootcrates in FIFA, or pay attention to your K/D ratio in Call of Duty, etc. because they have become the new grades. Without those numbers or figures you don't feel good about yourself.
@@xmlthegreat but to be honest isn't that the things most people complain about stuff in games? And I only play those kinda games for a few days before I give up on them. If I stay it's usually inspite of those mechanics than because of them
I am autistic. As an autist, I can't just go along with whatever. I am curious, and I can't just stop that. My autism protects me from conformity, and so I've never stopped asking questions that my teachers didn't always like. But, honestly, I like that. I enjoy considering questions that the rest of the class simply won't. I feel smart when my AP calculus teacher doesn't answer my question about complex derivatives or roots of unity-- I can always find answers online.
I hate school because I love learning, not dealing with people. I can't wait to go to college, it'll be easeir than this; it has to be-- college is more focused, more academi, more in-depth, etcetera: I won't be bored becasue the classes that call themselves "Calculus" can't teach more than a single formula a month; I won't be quite as bogged down with paperwork from six differet classes that only hint at what you're actually trying to learn; and I won't be quite as exhausted by meaningless nonsense.
I want to cure ageing, learn 日本語 to fluency, do Quantum Physics and Vector Calculus, learn to code in Linux and C++, understand all the math there is to understand, and not be bogged down by stupidity.
I went through the same thing as you, sort of; I didn't do AP Calculus but in high school I learned Multivariable calculus, ODEs and PDEs on my own; in grades 9 to 11 i did a lot of programming, specifically on gnu/linux with C and assembly and I learned a lot about how computers worked too during that time. During my grade 11 and 12 years I learned a lot of classical electrodynamics, and I never was very good at school because I would just spend all my time learning stuff that I wanted to. I am now in university, and it is not better. I have to redo a lot of things that I already know and are not interesting to me.
You can take challenge exams but those aren't perfect. If i took a challenge exam at the time that I learned the things, I would've done well, but at this point i'm happy with just knowing the general idea of how to solve integrals, for example, and I don't need to think about solving them fast or solving them with different methods -- integral calculators exist for a reason.
TL;DR I learned things too and university is really boring, and as a result I am not going to do acedemia.
You can not cure ageing. Everything grows older over time, and you can't stop the circle of life.
College is better!! I promise as a fellow person with autism, keep up the work! Get the full scholarship ride and make sure to get any accommodations you can get your hands on, good luck ✨
The "classes that only hint of what you're actually trying to learn" part hits so close to home, especially considering my terrible luck with physics and history teachers.
Funny how two very different subjects can be faulty of the same teaching mistakes
I'm going through the same thing but in college lol. I have autism and ADHD. Funnily enough I'm extremely interested in Linux and coding!! Absolutely love it and can't get enough of it. Hasn't been the focus in school tho so I've been struggling to maintain interest 😭 I am glad to hear college has been better for fellow autists tho 🙂 keep up the good work guys!!! Stay curious 😊
The more I learn about how messed up our education system is, the stronger my passion for teaching grows. If I can't make a change myself, I will inspire our youth to do it. I will bring hope to the world, and it's all because of the teachers and role models who inspire me to make the world a better place.
Children deserve as much respect as an adult, that is when you actually start learning from both ways.
This comment is so true. I hear a lot of people give children crap and say that kids aren't as hard working as adults are. But when the children actually worked hard and gave it their all, people say that "You're just trying to act mature." or "Why are you acting like an adult? You're still so young yet." When in life, maturing is one of the best things for a human. So why is it so weird when a 9-14 year old is mature? It's totally normal to be more serious about things, not every kid and teen is going to be cheerful and outgoing and people NEED to understand that. Parents want their children to act and be mature. But when they are, parents always wonder why they aren't hanging out with people as much and always focusing on schoolwork or other important things, or being happy all the time. Sorry if this was going off-topic, but it is very frustrating to watch this kind of stuff happen.
Adulthood: we don't fo that here
I agree
Yeah okay but you can’t act like children are mature enough to make the same decisions as adults
@@SizzlingVibe yeah, but everyone is different and society just does things TOO much
I dreaded grades. I was an undiagnosed autistic until 27, so my school years were hard. My old Boomer parents believed that grades marked your worth as a child - bad grades meant disobedience, which meant brutal verbal abuse. School was my own personal hell for 12 years. Never understood people who are nostalgic for their childhoods.
I'm nostalgic for my elementary years.
@@Maw0 im nostalgic for half of mine
Pretty good until they changed the food it then went sideways this new school for a couple of weeks didn’t have proper trays so they just put it in paper plates so I am pretty glad my old school was better
@@thatamericangamer7230 Yeah. Sorry that school sucked.
I had friends like you... We are the best of friends and really blended close for the same thoughts. Only thing is that we told our parents that we didn't care since we really don't learn a single thing after the year ended anyways so I'd stay dumb. I proved this by getting good grades then let them test me at the end of the school year. Man was i glad that we forgot everything 😃, made life a bit ezr
@@junioryoung9662 My science teacher always gives us reminders of our Chemistry and Biology classes, and nobody knows anything because nobody retained anything.
i am currently 13 and i am in a private school. whenever i ask too many questions or have to go to the restroom way too many times (i have excessive peeing). i get punished. in class, i always answer the easiest questions because i am scared of my successful friends's picture of me. sometimes whenever i get a question wrong i feel more scared of doing it. sometimes i just feel like i dont want to answer questions or do a project and that fear just keeps making me have worse grades. i cry every time i get bad grades on a test and my teachers dont care if i dont understand the class. there's that one time where my teacher saw me crying because i got a C- on a test and he just stared at me and left.
I remember recently I failed my 10th grade shop class midterm. However I was shocked that my grade didn’t really go down, and my teacher even seemed to blame himself. I realized then that I actually showed interest in that class and wanted to grow my abilities. My teacher noticed this and called me a good student because of what I wanted to learn, not from what I didn’t learn. We need that kind of mindset in every class.
"The moment you take away the reward, they have no reason to keep doing it."
At the end of every school year, I got an award for perfect attendance. Until one year when I was disqualified, because I had to leave class early so I could seek medical attention after being injured. It made me realize the school didn't care about rewarding effort, only results. My attendance dropped signifi after that.
@@ronanzwa3443 excused absence still disqualifies you from perfect attendance
Damn
@Callum Smith why do i imagine lemongrab saying that UNACCEPTABLE in his signature way?
Whoever thought of giving rewards for attendance in class is super dumb
In what world would people be rewarded for simply having better luck than others by not being sick, injured or understandably not being aware of school functioning during a day because say, lessons were moved to a certain hour and something mixed up and they're apparently earlier or it wasn't just really announced?
@@aloe7794 I grew up in a poor family background & can agree my parents didn't always have the money so I could travel into school so my attendance was never perfect
this year my grades are the highest they've ever been, but simultaneously my mental health is at its lowest
haha this year my grades are the lowest ( b's and a's which is decent i guess) but yet my mental health is at its lowest too
@@9.b_javaspradiparamadhani382 i failed freshman year and a’s and b’s are bad? no offense, i was a straight a student up until now but still.
I’m failing everything and I’m the happiest I’ve ever been
Not worth. I never cared about my GPA and just did my average best while living normally and got like a 3.6 something. I'm not super smart either and don't claim to be. I did always get my stuff done as quickly and early as possible tho so I could have free time later. But I never really spent my time going above and beyond. I did the work and then chilled.
Just remember that it ain’t over yet though, you can always choose today to turn things around, or pursue your passion
Great stuff! I’ve been teaching for ten years, and I’m just starting to figure this out, especially the power shift and student freedom.
We have to stop blaming students for not being engaged by boring, lifeless learning experiences!
As someone who is currently in middle school, I can confirm that grades shouldn't exist along with saying that my African mother's expectations are too high, sitting through class ( even though I'm homeschooled ) still feels just as much like a chore as washing dishes does. ALMOST EVERY SINGLE WEEK I GET ATLEAST ONE ASSIGNMENT THAT IS SO ANNOYING TO DO THAT EVEN I HAVE TO CHEAT and also I'm an A B student, imagine that for someone who gets C's D's or F's.
Hell. I’ve skipped grades, and love literature and argument but my teacher is so bad at not assigning way too much half the time I just lie so I don’t have to do the work because it’s miserable to do
@@absoultethings4213 Damn
I'm currently an F student, former A 7-8 years running, and fucked up during the pandemic in 8th grade, never truly recovered because I have adhd and my mom won't facilitate me any assessment or help that could make school easier for me. I make art and I think I'm reaching a depressive episode very soon, I'm a junior in high school right now. Trying my best. School is just a nightmare that I wake up to every day, and I just have to talk to as many people that can remind me that it can be a good dream if I want it to be one. Still everything is forced on to me anyways that I forget that I should be happy, learning, and having fun while learning.@@ReiAyanami69420
School Guy: "Hey, do you think we should ask the students what they think of the grading system?"
Other School Guy: "Students can think?"
"School guy"
@@sifilo I think he meant education board members
"What I thought that anyone under the age of 18 years is either narcissistic, going through his/her emo phase and also have a mental disability to use their brain"
Adults: Students are dumb, lazy pricks, who don't know anything, and we are always right.
@@ShinyTillDawn I think sometimes they forget that they were also students once 😐 and if students bring it up they say that they were not like that
The main thing that stands out to me:
Sure, *let* students work together, but do not *make* students work together. I always hated group assignments and that was a quick way to sap all the life out of an otherwise interesting assignment.
yuh and end up doing all the work yourself cuz everyone else is busy doing nothing
@@skullchimes That didn't happen to me too often, and I think I preferred that to what happened more often, which was my classmates giving me orders that I considered stupid and not accepting any suggestions.
I absolutely loathe group assignments because I have some social anxiety and it takes me a long time to feel comfortable around new people so I just feel awkward and unwanted the whole time. I hate choosing a partner and nobody chooses me unless they're forced to. When I get comfortable around someone I know I'm likable, friendly, and funny, but I just don't have enough time in class. It kinda gets to why I don't agree with some of the points made in this video. "Interesting" is an extremely subjective thing and what is fun and interesting for one student may be pure psychological torture for another. Also, no matter how "interesting" you make a class there's going to be some students who skip the class. There's understandably going to be teens who would rather skip class and have sex, smoke weed, do just about anything else than see some corny teacher be cringe trying to modernize Plato.
My friend has a project in her robotics class that is late because it was a group project and her partner did no work. And you can’t bring the thing home, it’s one of those school only things.
Most of the time one smart kid did most of the team's job. If you didn't have got one, the situation was on fire
As a student, I repeatedly try to make my teachers enjoy teaching, but the problem with my highschool is that they teach you, but they don't try to have you learn
The funniest thing to me is that I was just like Maria in the beginning of her story.
And I stayed like her in the beginning. Only because I was an undiagnosed Autistic kid with horrible ADHD. Teachers wanted me to be quiet and do things like every other kid and I sometimes did, but when you have ADHD and you LOVE a topic the teacher is teaching, and you can't keep your inside thoughts to stay for long enough, you can never shut up for very long. I could be a good student but was framed as a bad one because I never did my work the way teachers wanted. I also would sometimes just not do the work at all because of my autistic driven perfectionism (If I can't do it right, I won't do it at all, or I'll do it MONTHS late, and it'll be amazing). Not only that, but I had/have horrible grades, I'm not/was not in class often, and genuinely would be deemed a lot of teacher's WORST nightmare. But I've come to appreciate it.
Sucking at the system has made me actually understand topics deeper than a lot of my classmates. It's also really made me love learning and learning to ignore grades because they really don't matter (the only reason I say this is that my uncle went to Harvard and works at Costco. Tells me how much that education really mattered). I learned to embrace failure and really enjoy it. A lot of teachers actually really enjoyed me and made me their "fav student" because though I never showed it completely in my work, I loved the topics they would teach, and I would never write a paper for a grade. I remember Freshman year of high school, my ethnic study's teacher wanted us to create a piece of multimedia or hand drawn art to reflect what we were learning in class. A month after this was due, I turned in 2 hand drawings I spent weeks on, and a painting that I was so proud of. He oddly enough ACCEPTED IT!!! And my god, he loved it. He couldn't give me an A or B, but he did give me a really nice C and asked if he could keep one. I said sure, and he apparently had it on his wall for a bit after I left his class. That alone felt better than an A ever could. And I've had A's weirdly enough. I worked hard for one but felt nothing from it. My parents were proud, but I sure as hell wasn't. I almost got a 4.0 once, and it felt like shit. After that, I just focused on learning and doing what I enjoyed. Even if that meant my grades were shit. I'm in college at the moment and taking a jumble of a mess of classes, but they are all things I want to learn about and enjoy! I'm doing what makes me happy! And oddly enough, I've had 2 of my friends follow me down this path. My friend's mom even gave some incredible advice to me and her daughter, which I live by: "A grade does not define your intelligence or your understanding of the subject. A grade does not determine your value." And I stand by this.
I had a long history of doing poorly in school mainly because I'm a perfectionist, I have ADHD (which causes me to procrastinate and do things waaaayyyy later than normal along with forgetting things), I have trouble with deadlines (ADHD), and because I never seem to be able to do my homework exactly how they want it (I'm always too detailed, I sometimes ramble, I provide too much research?? And sometimes I overanalyze XD). Oddly enough, this is quite common for my dad's family. Yet, all became scientists or engineers XD
What I've learned over time, though, is that sometimes being a "bad student" helps you learn more. Along with helping you do things in a way that works for you.
My best friend of over a decade killed himself because his grades were dropping in college and he honestly thought he would never be able to succeed in life because school never taught him that learning from your mistakes is the most important part of education.
im sorry for your loss
I'm sorry for that. I hope you're okay.
I know his feelings extremely well. He wasn't strong enough mentally to survive the experience. A pity. May he rest in peace.
As the 69th like to this comment I say rest in peace
May he rest in peace.
A grade is just product quality. You learn to memorize and replicate. That's pretty much how modern schooling is. The grade just shows how well you're able to perform rather than really learn. Hence the reason why most parents can't really help their children with their school homework, because they forgot. You're taught to only know and memorize the important stuff needed to pass the test at the end, but you end up walking out with a grade and losing that knowledge because it is no longer needed.
100% I would absolutely bomb even a basic chemistry test, and it’s only been 4 years
I think this boils down to how someone values what they are being taught. I operated many of undergraduate and some masters classes with this framework of learning, but only under the rationalized expectation that given what I planned on doing would not justify the need for it. My mode of learning for things that I did value and plan on using was very different..... Also, I think mode of teaching is very different depending on educational level. Try telling a PhD in a experimental science background that everything they wrote and researched was just memorizing papers and spitting it back into a thesis....
@@justanothereconomist198 It pretty much does yes. Schooling in general forces students to learn core subjects when they're typically the ones that are less desirable, compared to the non-core classes/electives that students are free to choose. It's fair that basic knowledge in reading, writing, and arithmetic is important, but when a student doesn't like a particular subject, they'd tend to either do the bare minimum to pass the class, or memorize what they can to get them a grade they aspire to get. But each student is different. They all learn differently and like different subjects/classes. A lot of factors go in to the education of a student. There are cases where students do well in a subject they despite, but it was because they liked the teacher that was teaching it.
Yeah, the only thing people memorize in school is math because it actually may be useful, same with basic English and some other languages.
I know, my best friend Orla shoved all the adjectives, big words, noun phrases and all other things she could into her work, and it was the most cringeworthy and hard-to-read paper I've ever read. I prefer to go more minimalist style, instead of "The amazing lovely bright blue sky shined as my glowing beautiful amber eyes shone in the lovely sky" I write more like " The sapphire sky glowed as my ethereal amber eyes stared longingly into the sun", using more sophisticated words to fuse that wordy sentence together.
(lol i just realized this sounds like a grammarly ad)
I agree with you almost entirely.
But also: My son is in a school that became gradeless and also homework-less school two years before he started school (our local district school).
While it has caused him less stress, it has also caused him to not really care about school or learning.
Teachers would teach according to the concept, but they didn't seem to be educated enough about it, and not understand fully how it influences everything about school and teaching.
It just became school as usual, but asking less of students.
He and I also found it hard to understand his level and where/if he needed help. Because the assessments were always so vague.
Now in the last years (year 8 and 9) he is on another school in the district with the same system.
And they quickly discovered glaring holes in his knowledge and skills. And are working to help him improve.
So it matters a lot that the school, the teachers, don't think that the gradeless and homework school mean that they can just chill, and students will automatically want to learn, and do learn what they need to.
And. This school grades two times a year in grade 8 and 9. It is required for further education.
And him getting grades for the first time, was a wake-up call for him: What they do and learn in school has a purpose, and he needs to have learned certain things to be able to progress in the higher school system.
So at least for him, it did provide something of value.
It could have been provided in a different way, by teaching students more about how their school skills are necessary in adulthood.
How certain effort is needed in order to, well live.
And that in order to able to choose what to work with, and in the way you want (say a cosy desk job, and not having to do manual labour), you have to have learned certain knowledge and skills.
And they, and I, apparently didn't do that enough. But that set of grades woke him up. It became real to him.
Im currently in what would be high school in the us, and that example in the start saddens me, because thats just straight up bad teaching. In my class i ask alot of questions and i always try my best to understand everything and all my teachers have been understanding and excited about it
I was a choir teacher for 5 years and only graded based on whether or not students acted respectfully toward the learning process. I.e. if they were disruptive to the learning/rehearsal. Long story short, everyone got an A and almost all of them learned to or improved their ability to read music without pressure. One principal did not like this approach so he asked me to include more statistics based off of collected dated (testing and assignments). My solution to this was to make up assignments and tests in my grade book and cook the books. Everyone still got an A if they were respectful in the room. I didn’t even force anyone to sing who didn’t want to, because I knew eventually they’d get into it, and they all did. I was blessed to be teaching choir,which let’s face it, no one cares about your choir grade.
@@dueldu70 there's also just how school can make you hate things. School made me hate literature. It wasn't till I had a teacher who basically let the class do whatever I wanted that I got engaged with it and enjoyed it because I was allowed to enjoy and find what I loved in the content itself. If we wanted to the entire class could have been a second recess. Infact sometimes the teacher wasn't just standing by with the off rails discussions and chatter but at times engaged with it and was like screw teaching hows fallout 4?
You may call him bad but when we wanted to learn he was there. It was then on I understood what I liked about literature was and why school always made me dislike it. And now it's actually fun and enjoyable for me.
Holy shit a teacher that teaches correctly??? We need mor people like you in the world!!
@@tbc1880 I used to love math thanks to how my previous math teachers handled math. Even the tougher ones were endearing to say the least (or had something happen that I'm like karma baby). Whenever my other grades were lacking, Math would usually be crowned as by best grade. Until I went to college where it instantly became this force feeding mountain of a roadblock that no matter how much help I received or how hard I studied those grades in the end prevented me from getting a lick of what I initially wanted as a career choice. The second one of my math professors admittedly said that the math system there was poor to all of her students, I broke and the worst thing was that she wasn't even a horrible teacher. and I pretty much gave up on that career path.
Goodness to say I grew to hate math.
@@trickstercj4366 yeah that kinda sucks. I have a similar thing with college math except the classes that blocked me were made of primarily content my field wouldn't used and was a pre requisite to a course that didn't need anything from said class. Didn't help that the going online was more helpful than the tutors. Legit was forced to go there after one exam. Asked for clarification on how I'd do a problem (Wanted a method to figure out how to find something for comparison type tests) and was told I just have to know. Yeah that was a lot of help.
Even my major which was in CS killed my love for it and roadblocked me on stuff related to the course not the content. First time the teacher backloaded content at the very end and I figuring 3 weeks wouldn't make up the whole final decided to take the hit there (I wasn't up to it do to extraneous circumstances) and polish what I did very well in the past. Which is how I screwed up the first time with that assignment alone. (Teacher also didn't emphasize the point of the class being optimization and data structures so I missed another assignment based on the knight's journey. Subsequent classes taught better so I'm glad I failed in a way but also had worse assignments where I fought the code the teacher gave more than the questions itself. From the way they gave to read files not working to methods they gave and told me not to change giving errors on some compilers than others it was just a mess. I could take a similar course but in C++ instead of Java but it would change my major. But honestly if I was doing it for myself it would still be a pain but I could have rewrote the code to work for me, wouldn't have had the pressure to try and figure it out so I could take more breaks and do other things and it just would be less of a I'm struggling to solve an issue within a time limit vs I'm struggling to figure something out but I got time and more options. Yeah sometimes you can't just rewrite what your working on if an issue happens but if it never worked in the first place you kinda got to. Weird thing is a lot of the time the stuff should work and worse is the teacher can't exactly do a lot especially with online courses. People try and give their solutions but sometimes it just doesn't work. 3 compilers and updated Java, and issues still occur. It just makes me never want to touch the language again.
@@tbc1880 funny because CS was what I was trying to persue in the first place
One of the best kinds of teachers to have is the one that doesn't teach like a teacher, but explains like a passionate scientist.
This really really resonates with me.I think it's the reason I'll gladly watch lessons on CZcams about history, economics, physics, chemistry, writing, literature, computer science, and honestly just about anything just to learn, but I only enjoy the teachers who have fun with their own class and clearly love what they're teaching. One of the reasons I think is because a lot of people making videos on CZcams do so because it is their passion project, and even if it's their job they're mostly judged on how much the audience enjoys and feels like they learned from the videos but teachers are judged and payed based on the grades their students receive.
There is a trap in that. Someone on a high level might not be able to grasp where someone on the low level might have issues. Since for the scientist it might be obvious that from A stems D, but for someone seeing this first time and not having experience or not being good at this kind of thinking they do need to go from A to B then to B1 to C etc.
Honestly, when it comes to explaining something to someone new, someone who had trouble learning the matter but in the end did figure it out is probably much better at teaching another than someone who grasped it intuitively.
"Tell me, and I'll forget. Teach me, and I'll remember. Involve me, and I'll learn."
@HulloTheLoser That might be a bit non practical due to number of students and needs for certain level of respect requires a certain level of separation. Not a wall, teacher should still be there and hold 1v1 conversations, but he still needs to be a teacher.
@@Blazo_Djurovic you be friends with a lot of people, friends can still teach each other, and friends still respect each other. In fact, I think that's kind of what it's about: if the teacher treats you with respect, then you'll likely treat them with respect back and even learn better.
As someone with possible ADHD, I've been working on school a lot and doing good, but everyone says I've gotten much quieter. TBH I can relate to maria. I used to be happy and talkitive and all that but now, no. Because in my school, you cant talk during lunch, in between classes, even at hometime or in the bus. Interaction is a big no. And also, homework and tests. We have tests every other day, and complete things like algebra and ratios within one or two days. Our teachers just write problems on the board and if we do badly in tests, we're idiots who know nothing. Parents dont do much either, You're on your own here. Nobody dares ask a question. Half term is over and people must have asked like 3 questions in all subjects (7 subjects) combined until now.
Another thing, This is how it is in the 6th grade.
It's appalling how a photographic memory will get you way ahead in most schools and colleges than actual intelligence. Every time I do an exam, especially for SST, I get marks cut because of "improper framing of the answer" which is to say that I lose marks because I couldn't quote the school book.
That phrasing sounds... really dystopian. Like, I expect to hear that as the explanation given to a student who loses points for not toeing the party line in China.
fr tho i got a ''pity mark'' from my tech teacher cause i didn't answer the question ''why do we need to cook food?'' correctly Like the way the book said ig
Also schools: **expel people for copy-pasting answers because it's "plagiarism"**
I've had a similar thing. I moved from Canada to the states and the way I was taught math was different. My grade plummeted because I didn't do it right. And the correct answer was not counted because the work was wrong or not shown.
@@brandonpeterson3434 I remember getting docked points on math tests because I was able to do the math in my head, and didn't bother writing the work down. This was so discouraging that now I don't do math anymore, ever.
It always baffled me that there's litteraly a field of science called "science of education" and that experts in those subjects are *never* consulted for anything regarding school or teacher's training
This is untrue, at least in the US. Every teacher is educated on these. It's just some don't follow it
I thought more of using science of education for the global organization of the school system, not on a per teacher basis
Calling something a science doesn't make it one. In the physical world, abstract science is translated into practical effects through engineering, and engineering is highly informed by feedback from the real world. Plane designs that crash cannot be argued into irrelevance as social bias or something otherwise vague.
If the "science of education" is reliably producing substantial positive outcomes when it IS being applied, then I believe that it will over time take over education. If it's output is abstract social theory which get applauded for conforming to the current academic fads, but fails to produce substantive benefits in the real world, then it's best if confined to the halls of academia.
That step of translating abstract science into pragmatic real world methods and results, and being guided by those results in terms of which scientists to trust, is crucial. The fuzzier the asserted "science" is, the more critical it becomes that users of the science filter their acceptance through real world feedback. In the fuzzy sciences, think of the theorist as a competing vendor of ideas of what ought to work, and be a smart consumer rather than just blindly trusting one given school of thought within an asserted science - because they tell you they are being sciency about it.
They are constantly consulted, actually way too much. People, who never taught a class of kids, shouting down at the teachers from their ivory tower.
They should be forced to teach a bunch of "socially disadvantaged" kids to solve simple equations until their lofty ideas come back to the ground of reality.
@@zephsmith3499
The first thing a teacher friend of mine learned in uni is that essentially all of educational science until very recently was complete rubbish.
In my country it's way to common that "scientists" make grand proclamations from their ivory tower, while never really having taught kids.
The only reason we are hard working in school is because of the grades, not knowledge. That's what the education system turned us into
About a year ago, I went to a three week summer course about Latin and Roman history. I really love the subject and was excited to go, and one of the best parts was that none of the classes had grades. The only teacher who had any kind of reward would give us "tests" (literally 5 questions after the class) and if you got them all right, you got a cute little sticker. Those stickers were more motivation than any grade has ever given me. And in the classes where there were no rewards at all, I still remember a whole bunch of what I learned, because I was enthusiastic about the material and the teachers were there because they actually wanted to teach us the subjects that they themselves loved. Shoutout to the GLA, probably the best summer I've had yet (and I'm going to college this year).
For me my biggest pet peeve was teachers who "don't believe in giving A's." If a teacher wants me to give them A grade work, then they better be giving out A's, otherwise why should I bother with dedicating my time and effort to their class?
this reminds me of how learning is an intrinsic motivation but schools replace it with extrinsic motivation and then torture you with that.
"nothing deserves a perfect score" is the most bs thing I've ever heard from a teacher
Mine was when teachers couldn't accept when they were wrong. For example that whole myth that your tongue has 5 separate areas for taste, and I knew it was demonstrably wrong, and got sent to the principle's office for telling the teacher he was wrong and "lying" when I said I could indeed taste salt on the supposed sweet area.
Edit: At least my Eco teacher was willing to listen to me when I told her shrews were in fact mildly venomous (she had been saying Platypuses were the only venomous mammal).
@@rocketship3396 That's a myth? My god the school system is failing.
@@Zextranet well, she didn't exactly say that. She said that we still have to do our best, however, we don't need to be confined to a working space that isn't enjoyable and that there isn't a way to do it "our" way. We are humans. We are supposed to solve problems in different ways, not in a specific and boring one. Also she talks about grades as if you're a small kid and you're offered a treat (say for example chocolate) if you manage to work hard on a lesson. However, as she points out, if you work hard AND you don't get the chocolate you wanted (It's another brand that you don't really like) then YOU are confused and anxious as to why you didn't get the specific chocolate you wanted, and so you try harder, and harder, until it all loses meaning and you aren't happy anymore.
So, to prevent ALL of this, she believes that THE LESSONS SHOULD BE DONE, but without the prizes and with more creativity.
"if she got an A, her parents gave her 10$"
If I got an A, my parents gave me a little bit of consideration.
If I got an A I got literally nothing
I just had to make sure I didn’t get any F’s, but D’s and even C’s still didn’t really feel that great on my fragile soul
If I got an A, it meant my parents had poured alphabet soup into my cage!
If I got an A I got a “cool” from my dad and then never thinking about it again
I was so confused when an aunt saw my report card and gave me money. I never got money for grades. Usually my parents would only point out that something had gone from a A+ to an A- and they would ask questions about it.
If I got an A I still got belittled for not getting an A+ 😂🤦🏼♀️👎
this my friends is exactly why public school is absolutely horrifying. its almost like its directly made to beat you down and strip away any form of curiosity and genuine interest in subjects. i will always hate public school with all my heart, especially for how it made me personally feel as its so unaccommodating and outright cruel for neurodivergent kids. i feel so, so sorry for the genuinely good intentioned teachers who get forced into being - in some aspects - bad.
I know this video has been out for a long time, but I only recently discovered this channel and have been working my way through the catalog. Thank you for this.
I was like Maria as a little girl. Teacher's pet, read everything I could get my hands on, excelled in every subject, tons of diverse interests. My test scores were always high, advanced for three grades above me all the way through high school. But I still barely graduated high school with a 2.5 GPA. I burnt out in HS. I learned the material in school, and I had a teacher that taught me how to use logic to increase my multiple choice test scores on things I didn't remember. I refused to do homework because it made no sense to me. I hated not being able to understand the concepts I was being taught, disillusioned with how interesting these subjects could be but hating the way it was taught.
Once I was an adult, I took my education into my own hands. I read books, I read papers, I sought out educational content on YT, and I taught myself all those concepts I failed to learn in school. I regained my curiosity, my love of learning, all the interests I had bypassed in my literal childish disillusionment. I knit and am learning to sew, so I needed to re-learn more complex math skills I dumped out of my brain when I left HS. I write novels, so I've had to learn media literacy, how to do research, how to critically analyze material, how to recognize patterns, dissect dense text. And that's before the nitty gritty of learning to actually write technically. I've been educating myself on politics, history, culture, debate and discourse, critical thinking skills. I have the luxury of being a stay at home parent for almost a decade and I recognize that, but I have never been more happy of more fulfilled being able to spend my days learning about things that make me happy, chasing my interests and creativity, falling down rabbit holes of research or finding new things to love. The public school system failed me, and I am proof the arguments you're making are very real and valid.
Everyone: highschool is the best part of your life
Me in highschool: wtf is wrong with people this bs
me in middle school with sensory shit bc autism: f u c c i n g k i l l m e a a a a lul
The second I went back to high school after digital learning I wanted to die.
Also I see you're an MandJtv fan
@@williamgeorge3111 of course I am
Dude, i said you, high school was the best part of my life, because at the end i started to... I just didn't care about it, got in some troubles and somehow passed the thing but... It was when i didn't care about the school when i was truly happy, pretty funny
@@M0mazosMissy Godzilla just had a stroke trying to read this
I went to an elementary school that didn't have grades or tests and I had an amazing experience and learned a lot. Do recommend.
I went to a Montessori school which was like that! So sad they didn't do highschool
Bro wait elementary schools usually have grades?? Like, there’d be like oh you got 8/12 on your test but it would never be tracked (to my knowledge)
(At the school I went to)
@@AN-ou6qu my schools had letter grading since 1st grade, kindergarten had grading but in a different way
@@AN-ou6qu tracked not, it's such a final thing for a child to see. Maybe they'll not care,maybe they won't. Both outcomes can lead to problems apathy and hyper vigilance respectively being some of the possible outcomes.
i’m one of the people who does well at grades, but i’m still barely hanging on because of this new “well-rounded student” everyone is looking for. i’m autistic, i’m the opposite of well-rounded. i don’t participate much in extracurriculars on paper, because most of it is by myself and/or too niche to have a club. i do well in class because i learn well but i struggle with homework and projects. and i can only get A’s or zeros. i have to learn a subject to A level to feel like i’ve learned it at all, and i’ve never figured out how to do anything at half-level. so my grades often look like: C+ (8 As and 1 missing assignment). which is super frustrating
they say that mistakes are proof that you are learning but say you dont learn anything if you make mistakes
I think it's, you don't learn anything if you keep making *the same* mistakes. Still very dumb way of thinking, you're still correct, it should be that you don't learn anything if you maintain only 1 approach to what you're doing, you have to use any and all different angles.
Schools were designed to produce factory workers educated enough to function in factories. The grading system was a mechanism to determine which one of their "products" was adequate enough for the workforce. It was never set up for the sake of learning and exploration. School systems definitely have to change for this new economy, we're not working in factories anymore.
Nobody’s up for the challenge unfortunately
@@sissa8216 Admins and teachers are products of the system and admins tend to focus on numbers over people. Most have more advanced degrees which just further kills their creativity because they become Masters at writing the kinds of papers their Masters programs demanded of them. I’ve been chewed up and spit out of the system on both ends (teacher and student, simultaneously in a masters program) and I say it all needs to collapse and the wealth of knowledge available on the Internet could be the catalyst for change we need. But we have to starve the beast by calling the system on its shit and not pushing college on everyone like it’s anything other than a racket run by people who have spent the extra time to become the machine.
@@sissa8216
It's not that nobody is up for the challenge, it's that those in power profit too much from the current system. They themselves function off of external 'objective' rewards, so unless we can somehow convince them that they will get more 'rewards' they won't do a damn thing.
I agree something needs to change if we want students to learn and explore. Currently the system seems to be setup in way that makes the population cohesive. Same thinking, same actions, same behaviors. Unfortunately, I disagree that we aren’t working in factories anymore. We still have factories and still need people to work on products. If you think we move to robotics to do this, well, we still need people to build all those robots and to mine the materials for the robots. No escape from factory like work. Even if we move to a society of less stuff, we need people to produce food, also in factories. If you want cheap food, that’s what you get. The flip side would be people who work outside with food and enjoy their work, but you’ll have to be willing to pay them more. So perhaps some things need to change outside of schools to give reasons for the education system to change.
what do you mean we're not working in factories anymore? what do you mean? is this double meaning? cuz i am working in a factory.