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- Sara Drew, a conservator at Center Art Studio in New York City, explains how she restored a 180-year-old painting. Henry Wilkin's portrait of English opera singer Madame Lucia Elizabeth Vestris has accumulated thick layers of dirt and tobacco smoke on the surface after hanging in a Manhattan social club for years. The painting also has paint loss due to overcleaning by the last person who restored it and has tears that need to be repaired. Sara walks us through the steps of the restoration and reveals the finished restoration.
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i wonder how the artist would feel knowing someone still takes care of their work all these years later
They must probably feel really happy cause they’re taking care of something that they are proud of!
They are dead so they wouldn’t know
two types of people ^
"ha simp"
payten davis it’s like the Mario and Luigi meme
Imagine being able to tell somebody that the the reason why you couldn’t go to the movies on Tuesday was because you were cleaning the Mona Lisa
That would be epic
I wish
power move
“Hey, yeah so I won’t be able to make it today..yeah so sorry I have to clean the Mona Lisa this time 🙄”
That would ve great and cool
I'm sure the artists from way back then would very much appreciate knowing their artwork is being preserved and delicately dealt with.
Some would be horrified with her harsh methods and mishandling.
@@roseivey7893 how was it mishandled?
@@dylanb2990 some famous paintings are mishandled, the mono lisa painting is for example. The mono lisa has damages you can notice if ya look close enoug
@@Pheonix-ix4ei kkiib
@@Pheonix-ix4ei isnt that because the mona lisa has been stolen or vandalized?
I love how the varnish makes these paintings look completely brand new.
This has got to be one of the coolest art jobs out there. Imagine restoring masterpieces and bringing them back to life the way they used. What an actual flex
This is honestly what i dream pf doing one day
You have to be really good at it though. There are horror stories of restoring paintings 😣
ᎶᎾLDᎽ Really? Where? I am easily scared but I want to listen to them.
i would never do this even if i got paid millions my anxiety would never
Alondra Sanchez, I agree. This would be a fabulous and fun job.
Dude imagine looking at the dust,like damn that dust is older then anyone currently alive
Fr
Most dust is older that anyone
you high?
@@ninjabunny101 who me
@@soursop8174 no
unless you are high
At the end when it's revealed how beautiful the painting looks after the restoration is complete, it really displays the beauty of the woman in the painting, and the way she smiling at the end, it's almost like she's saying "thank you". 😊
This was both calming and breathtaking at the same time. Imagine yourself saying, "I'm going to strip the varnish off this 200-year-old painting, and out it back together like new." She did this as just another day at the office, NBD. Just amazing.
imagine 180 years from now, this painting will be professionally restored again
No
Probably not unless we jack it up an abandon it
More like 20 years . . .
Probably with a machine by then
More like 500. I mean we have stuff we can out on it that will preserve it.. that's better then what was put in it when it was first drawn
1:23 “her skin was beautiful”
*happy ghost noises*
frr😭❤️
Why did this comment bring me serotonin
this makes me so unexplainably happy
😃😃😃😃
Yup😭💔💔
If anyone is curious, the music pieces were gymnopedie no. 1 by Eric Satie and Prelude in c Major by J. Bach😊 great video!
Thank you so much! I kept on searching but couldn't find the pieces.
this brings a tear to my eye. as an artist, the thought of someone restoring my work decades from now warms my heart.
The girl in the painting literally looks happier than before , it's kind of wholesome
ギ火ぁMocha this my favourite comment 🥺
Girl be getting a glow up
@@miaseaman8315 night of the museum is real :0
Edit:they deleted there comment so this looks wiered
It’s like if we clean our flaws, and become truly ourselves underneath everything, we can truly become happy...if that makes sense
@@touristygull2059 it ain't that deep
Holy shit, old paintings DON'T naturally look yellow? I always assumed that the paints of the time just had a yellow tint to them. Wow.
Same 🏃🏾♀️💨
Tbh same
Same lmao
same kinda
Same 😂😂😂😂
this is the video that ended up making me decided to study and major in Art Conservation in college ! obviously, things are always subject to change, but i find this so fascinating and i’d really like to do work similar to this !
💀
I love how these jobs just exist, they are incredible and the experience must be beautiful.
The artist probably in heaven looking down on this lady restoring the painting like: :)
😇
Like,
You’ve done a good deed. You have earned my respect.
I bet they’re very happy 😌😊
It be like 😁😁
Or be lookin up
Imagine being a regular old vacuum that gets to suck up 2 centuries worth of dust.
What an honor that must be.
Except she probably has done it for tens or hundreds of paintings that could be way older.
Still, yea
imagine that vacuum getting all our dirt/acne all those things off of us. what a pleasure
👌
😂😂😂
I would love to be that vacuum rn
This process is just so beautiful. To think there are people out there who care so deeply about such historical pieces is so touching. Imagine what the artist would think. I’d be brought to tears.
There’s something incredibly satisfying about seeing this painting cleaned and restored in such a professional manner.
Imagine being the original artist and seeing that their art has been deemed so valuable and precious that there are people dedicated to keeping their paintings in prime condition. The care that goes into restoration seems so incredible and I would be so honored to know that a painting I made will stay just the way I painted it forever.
I am a smol young artist and i just teared because the whole idea is wholesome. Just imagine your art being protected because some people appreciate it and treasure it..
Me too!
@@JessoExists ☺️😊
OMG UR PROFILE PIC!!! IS IT FROM MSM or the other baby msm app?
Well they're already world renowned artists so they'd already know how valuable their art is.
No, nobody will bother restoring the art of a random self taught artist whose name people never even heard about.
Oof
"Retouching what the previous restorer over cleaned"
Shade thrown
What I’ve learned from watching hours and hours of Baumgartner: Restoration is basically doing what another person did wrong, but right. Also throwing shade at every chance haha.
Celeste Ibarra she didn’t even do it right
@@dilaisy_loone2846 how
@@dilaisy_loone2846 wait wha
he he
the background music:
0:00 gymnopedie no.1 - erik satie
6:47 prelude in c major - bach
Thank you so much
Thank you so much ❤️❤️❤️
The painstaking detail and passion for not only your work, but more importantly, the work of art is inspiring. Thank you for sharing.
Imagine the anxiety while restoring the Mona Lisa painting
Oh god lol
O shit
Mr.bean HAHAAHA
I’d faint half way painting her
Ayt shwit
All y’all that are complaining about “how bad she did” need to calm down. Art conservation is my major and she did just fine. Every conservator has to go through schooling and apprenticeship just to even start working on paintings. This lady knows what she’s doing and has gone to school for it. Watching some CZcams videos don’t make you an expert on a delicate job
Um she sliced through the original tacking edge...... And didn't even apply an isolation layer, Because of that her colour didn't match the final piece.
@@evamanral4016 cool beans
@@evamanral4016 thank you
@@evamanral4016 I agree - that is the first thing I noticed and cringed at. I think she did ok considering how many art conservators are trained and where. Everyone has their own way, better or worse. Baumgartner Restoration - now there is one to watch.
Yeah I have watched other conservation work done and I did cringe too. She definitely wasn't careful and her filling/painting work was mediocre at best.
So wonderfully done. The original painting has such beautiful light and her skin was so luminous. Thank you for sharing.
love how respectful and gentle she is when caring for the art .... so beautiful and wonderful i am tearing up
I'm mainly impressed that she can take her work home. You'd think this kind of procedure would be taking place in a secure facility, not in this woman's living room.
I imagine she was working at a facility prior to lockdown. Most videos you see of artwork restoration, they take place in a studio.
painting in private possession don´t have the restriction of keeping them in secure places. but im also kinda horrified that she is using health damaging chemicals in place intended for living.
Thats becuz of the how valuable the piece is, im pretty sure high value paintings are done elsewhere
@@blablah9938 she probably has the windows open lol
@@cez_is_typing we had windows open in every restoration studio that i worked in but the chemical fumes will seep into the fabrics and walls, even when i changed my clothing you could still smell it from my hair. i would compare it to cigarette smoke- when someone is smoking inside regularly even with windows open, the smell still remains.
It must be fascinating to be holding a piece of history in your hands.
I am now aware that the background music is not minecraft music.
Yes, I absolutely love going to antique stores.
And horrifying if you accidentally rip it
Oh 100% terrifying
Literally everyone had the same idea if you mess up
I'm used to it, I hold myself everyday
This is absolutely beautiful, its nice to see that we are able to fully restore our heritage art! Brava
This is just so calming. The whole process just makes me at peace
This job would be terrifying for me, I'd be so worried I would accidently cause a real life Mr Bean ultimate disaster movie type accident
foxxinaboxx LMFAO same, that's all I think about when I see art restoration.
You spoke my heart out😂
Sameeeee 😂
😂👌🏽
WHISTLERS MOTHER😂😂💀
This is wild. My 14 yo daughter has wanted to do this as a job for years. She is fascinated with the, behind the scenes part of museum work. Thank you for this. We could watch these all day long.
There's a channel called baumgartner restoration that she may like then
@@evertime123 Oh she is all over that channel. Thanks for the tip. She is so serious about art. I wish I could share her artwork here. So proud of her.💚 I hope you are healthy and safe 💚
@@silverhiker4549 you guys could start posting her art on Instagram and maybe film the process of making it on CZcams! There's people who will watch it.
Dream job!!
The baumgartner restoration channel is actually doing a really bad job at restoring art pieces, I'm at my last year in university studying maintenance of antiques and works of art, and that's not what it's supposed to be done 😅
Doing this takes utmost patience, extremely careful hands and even more skill to match the colors and beautify the painting. Well done!!
Wow, it must be really awesome to be the one restoring great paintings of talented artists.This is just wholesome!! ❤️
This seems incredibly hard. Imagine just accidentally doing the wrong thing, and the piece is messed up permanently.
you'd have to mess up hard for that.
considering that most of your mistakes should usually mean just more work
he does it correctly tho
and he is relaxing to watch actually
czcams.com/users/BaumgartnerRestoration
Mr Bean.
u saying mr bean has been ruined?
Not seen the film?
@@paulmaguire2714 it was beautiful
“Sorry can’t hang out tonight I’m just cleaning the starry night”
@Littlebigboy_ Crybaby
That actually sounds really beautiful. i know your talking about the painting but i-
@Vault-Man 101 kinda Lisa XD
I was the thousandth like....that felt nice.
Also lol
@@alyzzanicole needs an ice cream man that treats her
@ItzHana it is but the name is actually starry night by leonardo da vinci it is a famous painting
What a skillful conservator! This painting is just so mesmerising. They are so patience and it is a dream job for me
As a painter, thank you for your love and care. I hope that my paintings get someone as careful and talented as you, should it come to pass.
I could watch her restoring for hours, it's quite calming.
ikr
If you aren't already - go watch "Baumgartner Restoration", hours and hours of high quality content, with both narated and ASMR videos of restoring old paintings. And with great editing.
I could as well if not for vocal fry
@@llamaluna999 sameeeee
Agree
What if while cleaning it, it suddenly blinks.
Then you will fall on the painting and will regret life
oh god-
I’d just be like 😶 “want some water?”
Wait a minute-
i'd blink him again and say do you have a crush on me 👽🤙
It’s very satisfying how it makes it look flawless when you apply the varnish
this is so relaxing, and it makes me want to become an art conservator/restorer! their work is so cool! it must be nice for the artists to know(if they do somehow) that their work is being takeb care of
She’ll go to the museum one day with her friends or family and say, “Hey I restored that!”
Her family:
W h a t .
Ha, that's exactly what I do when I take friends or family to exhibitions :)
@@thegreatpestilence5143 Are you a painting restorer? If so, do you have anxiety ? 😅
@@maskeddragonfire8875 I restore books at one job and military objects at another. I do stress sometimes!
@@thegreatpestilence5143 May i ask how you got the jobs? Doesnt sound like a normal job where you just simply apply. There must be a story behind it.
Imagine cleaning an old picture and after you walk out of the room you heard a muffled “AhEHM” or “why thank you”
Lol imagine this as a movie it'd be great
Don’t be rude, say you’re welcome!
@@thepatterofrain7948 hmmm.... Conjuring 2 has a similar scene 🏃♀️
@@user-mt1ig9jt5q ok I'll watch it then
@@thepatterofrain7948 💀
As much as I love drawing and making art come to life I dont want that as a full job but in do want to be apart of that world.This seems nice,peaceful and just amazing
We restore statues (mostly in Canada and the US) and love watching your precision work! Thank you and Congratulations!
I think the most cruel joke you can play against the restorer is the: “you missed a spot” joke
czcams.com/video/wtbcaWnybzs/video.html
Lol
Allabouts Boyzz its a joke ok?
Those people saying that are just Karens
The fact that they make their toutchups reversible is brilliant.
yeah but the paint they use for that is not for actual painting.
at least what this guy uses
czcams.com/users/BaumgartnerRestoration
it dries up almost instantly
it's like the analog version of ctrl+z in paint lol
Gotta help out the people checking It out In the future!
This is such an interesting process! The painting is very beautiful as well
Thanks for the showing this Wonderfull process I'm a painter too but I have not idea how that worked .the reveal left me without comments It's a beautiful painting!!!
Imagine being an artist ghost, and watching someone clean and restore your finest paintings with such care and precision :)
😌😌
😊😊😊😊😊😊
Im going to cry for that
And then see some idiot try to get closer to photo it and ultimately he just breaks it
@@Gusenichka925 omg
Absolutely astonishing. You are a true talent. You must have such an intense, yet so rewarding job.
My grandmother was a painter and midwife and all the paintings in her house are her work. I hope that if they go to a museum, that someone as careful as Sara Drew restores them
hanni pham
Great thought you put there tbh.
Reanimation Jitsu on its way
Oooo chilling
THAT is interesting.
Deep
"And the restoration is complete." I love how she makes it sound really easy, when in reality the job is extremely technical. Thanks for all your hard work.
You
Wow that was amazing watching the transformation. Beautiful 😍 👏
Hadn't heard of Wilkin...he was awesome. The subtle color variations in those flesh tones are beautiful...it's great that we can see them once again.
When you've watched too much Baumgartner Restoration & recognize all the steps :).
yaaaaaaasss!
After removing the tacks she messed up the lining and cut the painting itself! She was supposed to take the lining out from the canvas, in whatever condition it was...
@@faizahlubaba1645 I saw that too. Confident if it was Baumgartner he would have definitely tried to save/conserve as much of the original lining as possible and reinforced it w/ Belgian linen & the adhesive strip lining.
At 0:59 she cleans between two color groups
Haha so true
“Her skin was beautiful”
Madame Vestris:😊😊
@@rui2173 Genuinely confused, how does calling her skin beautiful mean youre the only one who knows who she was😅
yeees
@@rui2173 but didn't it show her name??
@@will0wtr335 it said her name lol
@@rui2173 She said her name in the beginning of the video? I’m confused?
how wonderfull of a job to make these old things come back to life. Props on you!
wow, this was just so beautiful and fulfilling to see!
Top 10 scariest jobs in the world
Number 1:
True
Number 2: an influencer
@@iminalotoffandomslol4340 but why?
@@iminalotoffandomslol4340 not offended just curious
@@iminalotoffandomslol4340 bc the joke mustve missed me completely
I love how she’s doing this from her house. I’m a rare book archivist and I’m in the same boat. Literally hundreds of years old objects just chilling in my home office. Wild!
Ooooooo
Liz Hopkins have you considered or do share your work? That’s so interesting I’ve never heard of that job before (I only found out abt painting restoration last year when I wanted to know more abt art)
cult leader thank you! I share my work often on Instagram! mushroom.maiden
czcams.com/video/_4qiCvD-k38/video.html
Liz Hopkins alright tysm!
absolutely beautiful job
Looking at the old paintings, you felt that you thrown back at the time like it's a nostalgic for something..
imagine actually destroying any old paintings
*that would be a pain in the ass*
Not that much for me, Making a single line (thin or thick)by an accident alr painful for me xD
That woukd also lead to a lawsuit
You couldve said paint instead of pain but ok.
giorgio vencel hkdlfsvlr
A woman actually did that once!
imagine having a historical painting that's been around for decades and decades. and placing it on your IKEA coffee table
Omg 😭😭😭
Then where else is she gonna put the thing ??
Of course she’s not going to buy a new table just so that she could put the painting on it.
I can’t tell if you guys are missing the joke or not.
@@grimwashere4104 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I throughly enjoyed this! Absolutely amazing!
Thank you so much Art Insider for teaching us about this thing 👍✌️❤️
To anyone wanting to know, the background Piano is called Gymnopedie by Erik Satie
No. 1
no, minecraft music
@@rosy-goldmoth2637 no it's not
THANK YOU SO MUCH
@@rosy-goldmoth2637 no
Imagine the pressure of filling in the damaged parts of a historic painting.
The hard work they do on this is super awsome!
i love how much life is painted into these old pieces
This job spells out
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I accually thought it seemed quite soothing...idk that's just me lol
Sally Nathalia “R.I.P. good art”... litterally lol
;-; yup
Not at all (for me)😠🙁
@Sally Nathalia why do i see you everywhere..
I thought the music was from Minecraft in the beginning.
@Avantika number 3 gymnopedie right?
Ahh same
Akshay Gowrishankar gymnopedie number 1. You can scroll to the bottom of the description and see the title of the song.
vehement Aficionado same lol
@@bens7855 *piece, not a song... A piece, please
Art is such a beautiful thing I’m so glad that we have the tools to restore these beautiful pieces
This was very calm and satisfying to watch. If I had a job like this I would be panicking so bad!
People comparing her to Baumgartner and screaming about the "isolation later" obviously did not listen well to her and finish the video. The isolation layer is a method of preference. And is more practical in paintings with damage that covers a large area. In paintings with minor damage in smaller areas, it is not practical. Don't fix what isn't broken. As much as possible do not layer over any areas that do not need work. And since she is is already using conservator specific material, which is REVERSIBLE, the isolation layer isn't necessary.
Restoration/Conservation isn't a one track science. Different restorers use different methods and different preferences. You see people complaining about her working in her living room and not in a proper studio with lighting and ventilation? Well you guys have never experienced working on 16 saint statues in a make shift studio in a musty old convent because we cannot transport fragile 150 yr old wooden statues in risk of damaging them. Everything in the environment will ofc have to be adjusted and controlled, especially the temperature and humidity. But any space, as long as it meets the restoration needs, can be used. Baumgartner has his extensive work studio. Good for him. This lady has her living room studio. Good for her. Artists work with what they have and what they're comfortable with.
Please don't act like uppity art critics when your comments show how narrow your exposure is.
Thank you for this comment 🍻
Thanks for this comment. Honeslty these people thinking they know more than her because they watched a few restoration videos need to shut up.
@@sara_daria2 They think that watching a few videos make them experts 🙄
Ugh thank you. I was so amazed by this video. This seems like such an underrated skill. I've never given much thought to how the paintings in museums look so clear and clean. It's incredibly disappointing to see so many comments criticizing her methods of doing a craft they know very little about as if watching the CZcamsr they keep mentioning earned them their art restoration certifications 🙄
I love Julian’s channel, but a lot of people are being really harsh to this woman. If it’s her job, she’s obviously good at it, and everything is reversible anyways.
I wonder how the people in old paintings would feel if they knew that their painting still exist years later
It's the same as the feeling you get when you see an old picture of yours taken a long time ago
A R M Y
Edit: this was rude sorry didn't think it would be bad but it is so stop spamming me saying its rude 🙃
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yall better not spam army smh
Vanhmingliani Tochhawng ARMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY did it
Honestly if i had this job i would feel so honored knowing that i am restoring a beautiful art piece from the past
I would really like to do this job but I'm very clumsy and I'm afraid that I would screw up...I feel like while restoring an old painting, emotions, senses, images, sounds smells and other things that the painter experienced would pop up to my head! Art is beautiful in it's own unique way and I love when people respect and adore it. :)
i’m going to study art conservation in college so that i can hopefully end up doing things similar to this, and yea it seems so scary! but to me, it would mean even more if i managed to overcome those anxious feelings towards doing something that requieres being so delicate n focused. i’d feel proud to say that my career is something so interesting and underrated.
So therapeutic, I wish she could restore like this my soul.
damn-
i am hoping the soul is everlasting and whole.
Sorry. Only your Creator can do that
@@kingdomrunt :"")
@@kingdomrunt Btw I know this is off topic but I just wanted to say that you are so pretty and that you have such a lovely smile ♡
Anyone else can’t find the mean comments everyone’s talking about?
😂same man
Sort the comments by newest first
No can do XD
Yah
Me too
I couldn't appreciate the Vibrancy of the cleaned Painting, until I used the same Techniques on my Computer Screen !
Seriously though; nice Work !
I wish i had something I felt this dedicated to that even restoring it would feel like art. To take pride in that skill. My respect to the restorer.
This is an amazing project
Jeez you really are everywhere
Hi, again
Your everywhere wtf
Xd why your here
Lmao why are you here
“Aye bro sorry i wasn’t able to come to that party i needed to clean the girl with the pearl earring”
ADWADWADAD
@@rosewhite3870 are u ok
@@thineevee7345 no
@@rosewhite3870 are u ok now
@@thineevee7345 Rose didnt reply bro i dont think she good
I want artists to be able to time travel and see what their paintings turned into, and how someone cares enough to restore it. ❤
I can't tell whether I'm extremely relaxed or anxious watching this
Maybe anxilaxed?
Imagine being the person who does the touch up painting on the Mona Lisa
And being able to say you painted a little bit of Mona Lisa
So many likes but no comments? Sus
@@thisladyisavamp0828 Amogus
@@thisladyisavamp0828 amogus
@@mist3325 amogus
@@spooki5556 amogus
I couldn’t stop staring at the painting she’s so pretty and man, I love centuries year old artwork
ummm, what is the music at the start of the vid ? Its sound so calm + the fun information about art in this vid = *chef kiss*
Erik Satie gymnopedie no.1
@@bonzoboboexperience7752 ty
Fun fact: The background music used in this video is actually the inspiration for the Minecraft OST
Edit: the original piece is called gymnopedie no.1 by Erik Satie
So that's why it sounded familiar
@@kaiserkane5770 yeah I find this to be really cool especially since Erik Satie is one of my favorite composers
I remember that music is old LPS CZcams videos
That’s why it’s so familiar yet so new to me
i thought the beggining was from Melancholy of suzumiya, oops
Everybody gangsta until the color was intended to be like that
ikr
they be like oop-
what
that's exactly what I was thinking
😂
I would love to elevate my skills to this level. Thank you for posting!
She made it soo beautiful✨❤
Girl is literally blessed she was able to clean that great painting
Seriously, what an amazing job
Hey, in case you wanna see more paintings restored (with amazing narration), check out "Baumgartner Fine Art Restauration".
Or maybe she worked and practiced very hard to get where she is
The painting is blessed that it was able to be cleaned by her*
Just because we watch Julien doesn’t mean we enough knowledge to critique this lady. I’m just glad Julien brought us here together to enjoy art restoration together so don’t compare the two plz
Big Yeetus people can compare of they want to, your comment will not stop anyone from having an opinion so might as well not read the comments at all of you’re so bothered
also the fact that you’re assuming some of the people here dont have enough “knowledge” to criticize is just- you’re acting like criticism is bad
R Øšëś can you chill their comment was absolutely right. it is insanely rude to compare others
@@booboes0141 watching baumgartner doesn't give you the years of knowledge that these professional restorers have
Ponderer Of Pointless Dreams i didnt say by just watching someone gives you knowledge, i said that there is a chance people actually have experience
•briî• I know it is, and its very annoying to have all the comments being just comparing but this one comment definitely wont stop any anything lol