Centre-Left Coalition Wins in Norway: Is LEFT-WING Politics on the Rise in Europe? - TLDR News
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Following the Norwegian Election on Monday, projections are suggesting that the formation of a Centre-Left coalition government is the most likely outcome. So in this video, we explain the election results, why the conservatives lost out, and whether this is all part of a wider socialist movement across Europe.
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For some perspective of the three parties in the likely coalition:
The largest party, Labour, is a social democratic party that favors a regulated market with an active government but also a strong private sector. It has a moderately environmentalist record, trying to balance the needs of industrial workers with the need to cut emissions. Their pro-industry stance explains their largely pro-European stance. In the 1990s the majority of the Labor Party wanted outright EU membership, but after the 1994 membership referendum ended in a "no" vote they have for the time being aquiesced to the EEA agreement.
The second largest party in the likely coalition, the Centre Party, is an agrarian party that considers itself centrist although it has drifted leftwards in the past decades. It is one of the less environmentalist parties in Norway because their base of support consists of farmers who fiercely oppose environmentalists' demands to cut livestock farming in order to reduce agricultural emissions. Their agrarian base also explains their opposition to EU policies because they want to protect the Norwegian food production from foreign competition.
The smallest party in the coalition is the Socialist Left who consider themselves "democratic socialist" with a large and active government with an active role in commerce and nationalising several industries, but they reject outright communism. They are the most environmentalist of the three likely coalition members, favoring an end to oil exploration and a winding down of oil production, but have no firm date. As with the Centre Party, the Socialist Left is anti-EU, but that is more due to an ideological rejection of the EU's capitalist agenda.
That seems quite heterogeneous
This helps a lot. Thanks for taking the time to enlighten us.
Thank you for the context
The difference is that Norway's not out of EU because of a bunch of right-wing wackos who want to hide their wealth and crash what remains of the UK's labour and human rights laws.
Quite the opposite, actually.
It’s important to note that the Socialist Left party is, on the matter of the EU and EEA, completely out of touch with their voters. Their voters are 71% for a continued EEA agreement.
"Socialists are rising in Europe."
Than you have Italy, whith 2 far right parties, each one over the 20% of the votes....
Economically everyone is on the left, though
And the first left-wing party that have 3% in the polls
@Luca Goodoer what did he say?
@Super Bad 😂😂😂😂, why did that make me laugh so hard😂😂
@Super Bad I'm quite positive he actually said tutti frutti spaghetti
In western and southern Europe, parties named stuff like "the socialist party" are rarely socialist. These are social democratic center-left parties. There isn't much of a socialist wave in Europe, there's a green and center-left wave, primarilly
Everything left of the centre that isn't communist is "socialist", by definition..
@@anonymousbloke1 eh, no... Socialism is not a spectrum, it's the question "should workers own the means of their production?" and only a handful of parties throughout Europe would answer yes to that, moderately left-of-centre parties would not, ergo, they're not socialist.
@@EusebiusAT Most social democratic parties of Europe call themselves socialist in their constitutions or programs (and some in their very name, such as French PS and Spanish PSOE), but they redefine it as ethical socialism (values-based socialism rather than means-based) and therefore retain social democracy's position as part of the socialist tradition, which I, as a social democrat, see it as belonging to (rather than the liberal one, even though our policies have gotten closer to social liberals - we have a different /perspective/, they're pro-capitalist but see some flaws, while we're anti-capitalist but believe we can reform it).
@@virbrevan4365 oh I 100% agree, I too am a social democrat and view myself as participating in a socialist tradition, because that's where social democracy has it's roots of course. But social democracy being part of the "socialist tradition" does not mean that social democrats are socialists. Socialism is about the relationship between labour and capital specifically, and the traditional socialist position has been abolition of this relationship, thus attaining social control of the means of production. Just like you cannot call yourself a vegan if you also consume dairy, you cannot call yourself socialist without believing in abolition of private property (capital ownership). Similarly, that doesn’t mean that vegetarianism and veganism aren't of the same tradition, like socialism and social democracy.
@@EusebiusAT «Socialist systems are divided into non-market and market forms. A non-market socialist system seeks to eliminate the supposed inefficiencies and crises that socialists traditionally associate with capital accumulation and the profit system in capitalism.
By contrast, market socialism retains the use of monetary prices, factor markets and in some cases the profit motive, with respect to the operation of socially owned enterprises and the allocation of capital goods between them.»
Social Democracy isn't "center" just because it is mostly Keynesian nowadays. It's still left-wing and therefore socialist. Big state, unions, rigid fiscal policy, opposition to privatisation, support for increase of national debts, wealth redistribution (via welfare, progressive taxes and whatnot) and so on and so forth. What's not socialist about social democracy? It not being a "planned economy"? Everyone has abandoned that bullshit system decades ago, because it doesn't work at all. And it's only associated with communism nowadays
Isn't Reuters pronounced as "roy-ters" since it's a German surname like Freud (as in Sigmund Freud)?
Yes exactly
confirmed
Indeed.
English speakers trying to pronounce foreign names. Sometimes even their own foreign names if their ancestors migrated.
Sigma Freud
Arbeiderpartiet are social democratic, absolutely not socialist!
I feel quite certain that many people there would not find an issue labelling themselves as socialists. Although their socialist policies are quite weak compared to the Socialist Left and Red party.
How is socialist defined? I have learned it is an ideology opposing private property and ownership. By that definition, most parties mentioned here are not socialist.
@@neodym5809 The problem with "Socialist" as a term is that depending on where you grew up it has meant everything from 'literally Stalin' to 'Free healthcare' and everything in between
@@neodym5809 socialism is a lot of things to a lot of people. But back in the day at least, the. Wanted to get ‘democracy to the workplace’ by making it so the worker could choose their boss.
But in America it just means free healthcare mostly.
Socialist policy is often demonized, but I personally find it very interesting.
@@neodym5809 that if you use Marxist terms. But socialism existed even before Marx joined the game
Maybe put in a corner of one of the initial slides a definition of socialism you are going by. To make sure we are all talking about the same thing.
Yeah. This video's definition of socialism seems more like social democracy than actual socialism.
The word socialist in the EU has kind of become synonymous with Social democracy at this point rather than traditional “hard” socialism. You can see it with party names like with the PS in France.
It's a legitimate concern, though in my admittedly biased view, there's little difference between a rose and a fist in the long term. Is fiscal discipline dead? What would it eventually take to cut spending to pre-pandemic levels, short of naïve populist right takeovers, which I also wouldn't want to see (again)?
@@eksortso Fiscal discipline will most likely return to the political agenda only after there is some severe consequence from a lack of fiscal discipline.
@@FeCyrineu so, Democratic Socialism?
Is this now a US channel or since when is social democracy socialism?
depending on the technical definition and historical roots, it is. Practically however the terms are mostly used differently of course.
this.
The distinction is blurred even in Europe. For example it is not uncommon for German Die Linke to be labelled as social democratic and socialist at the same time.
For US... Norway is Stalin and Mao combined 🤣
@@eruno_ then look at their politics. That’s social democracy.
As a Norwegian, I don’t think That This was The best presentation of this topic. The conservatives had not been able to form a government on a single poll for over three years. They had at The time Of The election rules in almost eight years, and their loss was almost certainly going to happen, as no conservative leader has stayed in office for as long as Solberg has. Her government has suffered the usual incumbent loss.
The red party has one line in its election program naming Marx, and that is that they want a classless society, what Marx called communism. What they do mention is socialism over 100 times.
The Socialist Left party is not pro of an absolute end date on oil production but wants us to stop seeking more oil. That is a huge difference, as the green party has said that by 2035 we have got to stop entirely.
The labor party is traditionally pro-EU but has in the last decades faded more into wanting to keep our trading deal without expansion or leaving the agreement.
The centre party has in their program that they want to leave our deal with EU, but has said throughout the election less about the deal, and haven't been able to answer entirely clearly on what they want to do. They have also in their program that they want a Labor/Centre government, leaving the Socialist Party on the outside.
The pandemic did give the conservatives the incumbents benefits through the pandemic, but they “stole” primary only voters on their side, from progress an Left (on the right side)
And lastly, the “right” side did get 68 MPs, while the “left” side did get 100. The last seat went to Patients Focus, a local party in the election region Finnmark, and their only goal is to get another hospital in the largest city, Alta
i usually translate venstre as liberal party, it's less ambiguous for people who don't know Norwegian politics
Thank you for clarifying.
Thank you for covering this important event!
"Social Democratic Wave" would be more accurate but I don't know if I mind.
you clearly do
Social Democrats are not socialists
Social democrats often refer to themselves as "socialists". Just look at French Socialist Party or Portuguese Socialist Party.
social democrats in the 19th century and early 20th century believed that they could reform their way into socialism. one of the first few socialist ideas to emerge.
@@eruno_ names dont always matter that much. in Denmark we have a right wing party called "venstre" which in danish literally means "the left"
Man, Idk if it’s fair to say an anti-oil green party is “extreme”
If anything, the ones who are pro oil are the extreme ones.
It's the amount of anti oil that is extreme.
When is come to oil production politic, there is no more extreme politic than ending oil production.
It is very fair, coming from a norwegian. The green party are 100% extremists and thats the reason why no one wants to work with them.
Also, ending norwegian oil production wouldnt even have a positive impact on the climate overall.
The extremity of the policy is shown in how much we use oil today. Yes, you can completely stop oil production and drilling in Norway. Any developed country for that matter. But, you will notice imports of oil or energy rise. You can't currently build solar panels and wind turbines as quickly as they are wanted if you don't have oil. It is as much naive as it is extreme. But it is important to aim for difficult to achieve goals so, you get closer to your target than if you just accepted it will take a while. Therefore, they are extreme but you can argue rightly so.
Let’s try to separate socialism, social democracy, and regular labor parties (or labour as it’s written in Europe and British English). I’d call it the New Left Movement or the New Progressive Movement. The former seems a bit more better
yeah, you could almost call it an anti-right wing populist wave...
@@gawkthimm6030 it’s basically left populism, it’s socialist to minor degrees though.
Not sure the far left parties desire a new title. By being grouped with the more moderate left groups, it makes them sound less extreme and more appealing.
This is a common tactic among many institutions.
Uhm, the right block got 68 seats. NOT 70. The Norwegian parliament has 169 seats, not 170. And the 1 seat left is for the Patient Focus Party, a one issue party to get a hospital in the northern town of Alta
Alta must really be lacking in hospital if you can get someone elected just for that
I thought it was weird reporting as well, but it might be due to the adjustments in seats by the "utjevningsmandat" and the recounting going on right now.
@@RoseSiames the region Alta belongs to gets like four representatives and Alta is both the largest city in the vicinity and where most of the people live in that region. About half of the people in Alta voted for the patient focus party and they then got a seat in the parliament. The difficult and long travel between cities in northern Norway makes it necessary to have a functioning hospital in the area. The people seem displeased with the current state of the hospital.
@@RoseSiames I mean, "I don't have access to a hospital" is something that people get understandably pissed off about. It's also worth noting that the party received less than 5000 votes
Brings up Keir Starmer's Labour as an example of socialist parties rising in Europe
In other videos also describes liberal parties as left wing.
Yikes.
Next they’ll call Biden a socialist, while he’s center right.
@@ZachLDB I've followed the whole TLDR News group since 2018, so it's a bit disappointing to see stuff like this in 2021. While I hope they dont (pretty sure they havent called him one as of now) it honestly wouldnt surprise me, if Liberals (what Biden supposedly is) are "left wing", then soon enough they'll be calling him left wing too.
Labour historically has been a left wing party, even if their current leader is more centrist, so that's why they are lumped there
@@tomrogue13 Still, if we're talking about socialist and left wing parties IN 2021, there's no reason for Labour to be there.
@@ZachLDB you guys understand that left and right are not universal concept but very much dependant on the context?
Using Portugal in discussions about the European left is odd considering ‘Centre-Right’ in Portugal is comparable to Blue Labour
Well Portugal overall is fairly left leaning although the nationalist and economic right has seen some growth lately (Chega and Iniciativa Liberal respectively
No it isn't, the Social Democrats in Portugal support liberal and conservative parties, their name is misleading.
@@aidancollins1591 what they mean is that the Portuguese center right party has policies comparable to the centrist wing of Labour (debatable but you misunderstood them)
No, the centre-right in Portugal is comparable to other centre-right parties all over Europe, like the German CDU, the Spanish PP, or the French LR
@@truedarklander Debatable, the centrists in the Labour party do not seem to actually hold beliefs about policy. Regardless, I agree with Sandro.
In Spain the PSOE is getting weaker in the polls and most of them have them next to neck with the conservative People’s Party.
it might be better to title it "The resurgence of Social Democracy in Europe". Either way, this is excellent news!
@@joenzzzieswd6321 yes, yes and yes. And it's about time too. Embrace the social resurgence its finally time to move on from the centre right neoliberalism.
How is this excellent news ?
@@lba7362 What do you mean? This basically means that governments will be finally doing what they're supposed to do. Making the people's lives better, equal, secure, and prosperous.
@@karolczarlsrosario375 Haha sure thing lad. You are living in a fantasy world. There isn't a large enough population of young people to support those programs. If they enlarge those social programs most countries will default in 20 or 30 years. Also secure? How? You probably meant secure as financially secured not as in safety right? Because if you meant in safety those countries will be the most dangerous countries in the EU.
The left and the right are nearly the same everywhere. We change governments but both follow neoliberal economic policies and keep reducing taxes only for the rich... The line between left and right in USA and Europe is quite blur when it comes to economic policies...
i think calling it a socialist wave is too hyperbolic. i think 'left-wing revival' would be better because socialism is still a taboo phrase and it's mostly centrist and social democratic parties that seem to be growing. also, i think it's likely that this movement is going to continue for a long time, around the world, very slowly as the conservative and right-wing populist era that has dominated the last 40 years comes to an end.
Not to mention what Socialism is used as a buzzword and not representative what left orientated Democratic forces are working for.
Well, the red parties are still called socialist in Norway. Sosialistiske. And the right wing ones are called bourgeois. Borgerlige. And the non-red parties are called non-socialist. Ikke-sosialistiske. So it’s not that taboo
The Netherlands? Italy? UK? France?
@Luca Goodoer Theres a good reason to be scared of it
This was the second strongest performance for the left-of-Labour parties ever in Norway (Counting SV and the Red Party). So I wouldn't say it has no significance.
I hope so, but there are lots of examples that prove the difference. For example, the Netherlands and Belgium see stagnating left politics. Same for France I believe.
Was looking for this comment. The left is shrinking constantly in the Netherlands
Yes I can comfirm for France and it's sad to see
@@anelkia27 Sad? France is being destroyed by left wing politics. About time it was saved before it turns into an Islamic caliphate.
Same thing going on over here in Sweden, unfortunately.
@@colejones6312 if you think macron is left wing you are out of your mind
"Reuters" is prononouced "royters", not "rooters".
Calling the centre party "left" because is in a a left coalition is like define the nazi party as socialist because the full name is national socialist party
We call the Nazis socialists because their policy was socialist
@@singed54 bruh how the fuck we're nazis socialists?
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Major policy of full employment?
@@singed54 in which ways were they socialist? They disbanded free unions, increased working hours, forced the poorest of the society to unpaied labour.
Socialist ideology:
The metalworkers and the weavers in Germany, UK and Russia suffer under the same struggles and thus should work together to overcome these struggles.
That is why, socialists mostly are anti war and anti compulsory military service.
national socialist/fascist ideology:
The metalworkers and their bosses suffer the same under outside influence and thus should work together undermine outside influences and different ethnicities.
@@derorje2035 Hi. They were socialist in several senses - (1) individuals owing obligations to society (the state) rather than individualism (2) yes independent trade unions replaced with a single state trade union, exactly what the communists did, so that in itself not non-socialist, (3) state control of industry, so even where nominally still in private sector all large companies directed by government and all their profits had to be paid to the government as "loans" (not expected to be paid back) and not to shareholders. (4) universal free health care, pensions, paid holidays for workers etc (5) Nazis leaned on companies to meet worker demands as a way to defuse unofficial strikes. The Nazis were obsessed with being popular, because Hitler didn't want a repeat of social unrest that led to German defeat in First World War.
So Nazis were anti-capitalist but not full on state actually owning all property as in the Soviet Union - even though Nazi Germany looks like a mixed-market economy with public and private sectors the state was in de facto control of the economy and industry.
Thanks for bringing this up, it warms my norwegian heart to see Norway in focus. However this is hardly a left wave swooping in. It was expected and for many a welcome change after 8 years of conservative-liberal rule. IF Solberg was granted a 3rd term it would be historical and unprecedented, as that would be the first time in Norwegian political history if that happened. But more of all this is neither a right or left wave as both labour and the conservatives lost mandates, this is a green wave. Voters have voted for more local democracy, more focus on the vunerable in society (Covid), and more focus on the enviroment and how we can save the planet. Both the right and the left particular (last year labour was under 20% which was a catastrophe and caused a major identity crisis for them) in Norway have struggled to catch this in time, and have completly changed their policies to align with the new general trend. So now we will have a left-centre government, with a heavy lean on the green parties getting what they want.
Is it really a green wave though? SV gained 2 seath, 11->13. MDG gained 2 seats, 1->3. And Venstre barely managed to keep their 8 seats. Out of 169 seats in the parliament, 4 isn't that many. And the percentage of voters were +0,7% to MDG and +1,7% to MDG (and a +0,2% to Venstre). Whilst on the other side, both FrP and SP gained many points from older voters being afraid of losing their/their local communities' income. I don't really see how people still can call 2021 a green revolution. In Germany it certainly is, although the socialists seem to won. The only consequences we will see in Norway is probably a dying KrF/christian party and MDG will probably cross the 4%-line in 2025, and get 8~ seats in total instead. Or we might see MDG at 10% and both Venstre and SV plumiting. Anyhow, the green votes "only" make up around 10% and they are divided on three parties and two sides of the political spectrum. So we are more dependent on pressure from outside of Norway, than inside, to face out our oil industry. And even *if* a government votes to face it out by idk, 2040, I am certain there will be many years in the court and back and fourth in the parliament to further delay this.
@@sofiaormbustad7467 Green parties are MDG, SV, V and SP. SP gained 9 mandates, SV gained 2 as you said, V status quo, MDG gained 2. MDG is failing because they are mostly a single issue party, whereas the other green parties are more established parties with a whole program to boot. AP lost 1 mandate, FrP lost 7 and H lost 9. So you can see from both political wings that they are failing, especially AP who "won" but actually lost a mandate instead of gaining any which does not signify a left wing turn. No, I say this is a green win, and a green rally. The only anomaly is Rødt who mostly youngsters voted for. However that is mostly thanks to Moxnes charisma and down to earth approach in various issues in the country.
@@sofiaormbustad7467 While you are right about the green voters being fragmented you're wrong about the estimated numbers.
There's green voters and party members for non-green parties too, like labour.
They try to work for a change *within* the labour party.
@@kennethstople3969 MDG is only seen as a one issue party, far more issues that they're covering then just the climate.
That said, the massive amounts of new voters and members are starting to have a impact on the policies of the party, changing them.
@@Luredreier Thats just the evolution of parties over time, and to be expected. No one these days sees AP as only being the party for workers, as the traditional sense of workers in the factories is an old and outdated concept (heck there way more white and blue collar jobs these days, than factory workers). The same goes for H. They no longer exhibit or preach the conservative values like they did during e.g Willochs time, and are far more liberal as V these days. As I see it, most parties adapt to the changing political landscape that most people are concerned about, that today being climate and identity politics.
Hello TLDR News, I would like to request to make a channel specially for Asian politics instead of the global one because even if it had make hightlights for the last few years, it just not enough in my opinion. Asian politics are honestly so lack of hightlight even though it's get many hightlights in the news for a few years now including my own country Malaysia which is literally islamic centre-right to closely right since Malaysia is an Islamic country. So, I hope you will consider my suggestion.
Perhaps TLDR News Australasia covering Australian and Asian News?
Yes! Thank you! I am horribly uneducated when it comes to the politics of Asia, and I'd like not to be.
Their team is still small for it. Tapi mungkin Ada channel yang lebih kecil tapi tidak mempunyai cukup recognition untuk algorithm
There is Azeri guy called Shirvan make videos about Asia. And compering to tldr they are not bias. Caspian report is the name of the channel.
@@voregse427 He doesn’t specifically make videos about Asia. He is more of a geopolitical analyst. He is biased sometimes.
In Spain the left-wing coallition is actually collapsing on the polls. Mostly due to the electricity high prices that has caused a political crisis on the goverment and the unpopularity of PM Pedros Sanchez.
The only party in Europe that truly became a socialist left party for a while was Germany’s SPD. In the 70s, Herbert Wehner, ex-Communist, was the leader of the SPD in Bundestag.
My mother (She’s German) told me she enjoyed the shouting matches between Franz Josef Strauss and Wehner...
“You don’t see that in Germany today. I miss those two.”
It’s probably too early to call for Spain. Presto Sanchez’s disapproval is pretty high.
Austria's SPÖ in the same period was very socialist too. Austrian society and legislature is still heavily influenced by the laws passed back then
The labour party in Norway was also socialist up to around that time, and socialist left was socialist untill about the late nineties. Now, the red party in Norway is actually socialist still. Socialist parties still exist, but they're just a lot smaller, and usually more for worker co-ops than more extreme measures like marxism-leninism
Well the SPD was founded as a socialist party tho
Norway's Red Party are more or less communists tbf.
This channel is great to learn what's happening in Europe
This was a video on the election results, with the parties going into coalition talks. Has there (not) been a follow-up video on what eventually (really, actually) happened? What government did they get? What is the gov's plan for the next years?
Labour and Centre Party formed a minority government, since Socialist Left refused to join a coalition. However, in January the support for the government have collapsed because of the rising energy prices and failed electoral promises: the Labour has now fallen from 26% to 22%, while the Centre Party - from 13.5% to below 9%. Interestingly enough the main winners from this Centre-Left collapce are not the Right, but the Left - the Red Party had its support more than doubled, and now polling at double digits, projected to be the 4th or even the 3rd largest party in the country.
Seems odd not to mention the rise of Sinn Fein in Ireland when discussing the rise of the left in Europe.
Luca Goodoer populism isn’t strictly a right wing ideology. Leftist parties can be populists too
@@tempestosfugi9846 True. Left-wing populists were big in America and Europe in the late 1800s-early 1900s and especially during the Great Depression here in the US.
I just think people are realizing that we need to share more to get through the climate crisis.
Ireland has also seen its centre left party explode in strength recently
In Europe we still have some common sense, and want a *balance* in our real life politics that affect the common people. Not like the USA where there are two right side parties, and where GOP has become a supporter for insane conspiracies, voter supression and billionaires.
Thanks for making this video!
Watching this video and seeing how even a fairly open-minded and factual British news medium as TLDR totally misunderstands Norwegian politics, makes me wonder: how well do I as a Norwegian understand British politics?
Its funny just how little they seem to understand norwegian politics, both in terms of what the actual parties stand for, and what issues norwegians care about. If anything, it leads me to doubt all their coverage of other european countries.
You could talk about how all Nordic countries now have a left of center PM if you wanna talk trends in europe.
For now. Depends on what happens in Sweden lol
@@dzarko55 It will be an easy election for the red-greens, team blue will be busy tactical voting amongst themselves trying to ensure both L and KD stay above 4% they won't have time recruiting new voters. S will make some vague promises with regards to pensions for blue collar workers and convince enough voters to come back from SD such that V+MP+S+C maintain their majority.
@@axelnils I really hope ur right! Although im a socialist so I don't like the red-greens but there definetly better than the right wing.
Wow this new voiceover guy is amazing!
Can you all make a video about the coup in Guinea? I think it is interesting and not getting covered enough.
Still waiting for the video about the crisis in Romania.
I wish we could get a similar “Left-ward Push” in Sweden as well. I am so tired of these non-majority governments that can’t get anything done; and I don’t want anything else privatized because all that has been so far has gotten objectively worse.
Oh yes, that's what Sweden needs, a left wing push....
@Luca Goodoer is it, though? Is it better?
@Ihaab the EU as well as Sweden is 95%+ white, so that's all that matters here
@Ihaab Yes, Yes, No, and yes. I don't see your point.
Mentioning a few hubs of minorities doesn't change the fact that my numbers check out. The population with non-european origin is at around 3-5% (not counting Turks) out of 445 million (over 700 million if we take the whole of Europe). Sure, that might show disproportionately in a few hubs, mainly because that's how migration works. Groups tend to stick together, thus they won't ever be evenly spread, hence Paris and the likes.
Oh and in the case of the EU, they tend to gather where they get the most monetary benefits. You know, because they're "not" economic migrants....right.
You might think you've made an argument, but you only made a rookie mistake. Quelle surprise, coming from someone calling himself "Ihaab".
The government spending isn't as much a problem when spent, as much as it is when the interest charges accumulate.
When it was clear from polls that the conservative collision would have very low chance to win, many who normally voted the conservative party in Norway, voted tactically on the Labor party to make sure that there was a strong EU friendly party in charge of the government. My prediction: Nothing will change!
Two videos on the Norwegian election. That is fantastic.
Socialism: the worker's ownership of the means of production.
those are revolutionary socialist, these are democratic, regulated market centre-left, social democrats...
@@gawkthimm6030 The Red party is marxist.
I think everybody here is confusing, socialist dogma, with practical policies implemented in parliament, my nation has several leftwing parties; a hard-left eco-socialist, one thats "peoples socialist-humanist" party, that accepts market economies but want legislation that favors minority and workers rights, basic human rights abroad and they often work in coalition with the social democrats...
@@gawkthimm6030 Sounds a bit like SV in Norway.
The curse for the common people.. Price of petrol is now 10 USD per gallon in Norway, one of the richest countries in the world and a large producer and exporter of oil. The Norwegian people are suffering the very high prices, not only for the petrol and the twenty fold !! increase in the electricity price in one year, but for everything. People started to stop selling their houses, cause the technical documentation you are now required to obtain by new law for the sale of you home costs +20.000 USD. People cannot afford that, so housing market comes crashing down... And all the while the Norwegian government makes billions per month on the high oil prices and has 1,3 Trillion USD!!! in its oil fund... What a criminals these politicians..
I would say shutting down petroleum production would be a bad idea; petroleum isn’t used only for fuel, but also the creation of useful polymers and plastics. And I don’t mean the cheap super thin stuff that is used everywhere I mean thermoplastics that are recyclable and can be of pretty high quality and useful in everything from flame resistant electronics to high stress, replaceable parts.
0:35 lol that wave missed The Netherlands by a mile - they could make a far-right/right-wing government if you look at the seats.
I don't really think there's an actually resurgence of social democracy in Europe, but rather after the pandemic and lockdown measures people just hold a grudge to whoever was the rulling party in their country. It just happens that in Norway it was the center-right.
Agreed.
How does that explain Spain and Portugal?
Not really, people are very happy with how the government handled covid in Norway. We had one of the best covid responses in the world
Wow that new voiceover guy sounds great 👍
Thomas Love the narrator? Great Job!
To be sure, the Labour Party still holds a strong plurality, but it actually lost one seat this election. It's only due to the much larger loss suffered by the Conservative Party, and its coalition partner, the Christian Democrats, as well as the gain of Labour’s prospective partners, the Centre Party and Socialist Left Party that has led to this monumental shift. It is very much unknown how things might progress in the future, but perhaps the Labour Party’s grip on the Norwegian left may not be as monolithically-influential as it once was?
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Personally, even though the Red Party is likely excluded from the upcoming government, I am glad to see the Red Party gain much more political support. Hopefully, we will see the Red Party no longer be a fringe party, but rather one more accepted by the populace. I’m also glad to see some gains by the Socialist Left Party and Green Party.
And while I am not a huge fan ideologically of the Centre Party, I am sympathetic to their Eurosceptic message.
1. The labour party did manage to pull itself from I think 17-18% at the lowest in pollings, to +10% in half a year. So I would still call it a big victory for their party leadership, which has been VERY unpopular ever since Jens Stoltenberg left in 2014 tbh. And also, both SV and Red grew by alot compared to the latest election, so that just strenthens the claim even more. Many countries only have one, or two, socialist parties, like some countries have like 10.
2. I doubt we will ever see a party in Norway rise to get a single majority in the near future, then something drasitic would happen like Jeff Bezos declaring the world Anarcho Capitalist or some totally sci fi shit. Tbh I see Labour being eaten up by Red and SV by 2050, the only people I know which vote Labour are either my parents' or grandparents' generations or immigrants, so yeah.
3. My mum still fears that Red will turn Norway into a stalinistic North Korea dictatorship and is very much, well, into the Red scare. So that sucks.
@@sofiaormbustad7467 I mean, looking up the Red party. Yeah, I'd ve scared too, most of their members are legit Trotskysts and Marxist-Leninists, and if you know what that ideology did to Russia, yeah it is reasonable to assume the same can happen to Norway.
genuine question, why is Norway so anti-EU? i really wish you'd be in the EU and help us drag it left. the culture, politics, and thought are very similar to the EU.
to me, it feels like Norway was traumatized by its history, so it now fetishizes "independence" and "sovereignty" ( not without some degree of arrogance too, mind you ), when it could be a team player and work with the rest of us for the future of the world.
@@scasino9358 our left parties that are anti-EU are strongly against many of the more right wing policies in the EU. Already, many despise the policies we have imported from the EU such as ACER, privatising our railways and so on.
Many want to even go out of our current agreement with the EU.
It’s not that easy to become a member, many dislike the idea of our sovereignity being stepped on in Brussel.
@@stormofmagic9358 fair enough, but we vote for our representatives in Brussels, you could help change Brussels.
As corporate capitalism continues to devastate humanity and the environment people depend on, people are beginning to wise up about a need to seriously reform/regulate it, if not abolish it.
lol, @Britboy 94!
WW2 was exactly the consequence of more than the usual amount of collusion between corporate capitalists and (authoritarian) govts, which is the exact def of "fascism"...
So only a (mental) "boy"child such as yourself would use that very inaccurate comparison! ..
@@fredkrissman6527 WW2 was the fault of a treaty, don’t change history to fit your narrative.
Some treaty,@@jahbrenpanvilla... It led to tens of millions of deaths, including the death camps of the Germans and the Japanese (the latter having nothing to do with the Versailles Treaty that I assume you're foolishly blaming for the war in Europe). Talking about changing history to fit a narrative!
Great video!
Would be nice if you could do an video on the politics of Lithuania
With that title, it's as if you've forgotten about Sinn Féin, who are apart of the Left-NordicGreenLeft pan euro party.
Would that we could all forget about them lol
Social democraty and democratic socialism yes it is going up. But I doubt that any socialist party will get any power
isn't democratic socialism still socialism, just more pragmatic
@@eruno_ the difference is that democratic socialist think democraty is just as inportant as socialism while socialism is accepting of athoritarian leaderships. democratic socialist also reject the centralized planed economy.
@@readisgooddewaterkant7890 how can you believe socialism but not authoritism? Its the whole point power of the people throu goverment.
@@kelvindoang1228 Yes a goverment is gonna exist but that is the same with other systems. How centralised it is gonna be is another matter. for example having strong state goverment will reduce the power of the national goverment. goverments come is many shapes and sizes.
@@readisgooddewaterkant7890 No no no. Proper socialism is democratic. Collective ownership of the means of production means nothing if you've no say over the means of production. True socialist would expand democracy, not shrink it.
In Hungary we will also have an election next year and finally after 10 years I feel like there is a chance to defeat Orbán. Lets pray.
Orban is amazing. The fact that all your other parties need to group together shows that you don't care about pushing the country forward, you just care about power.
If any americans are confused liberal in Norway is the same as right-wing in USA, less tax, stricter immigration laws, etc. All of these policies considered conservative in the US is liberal in Norway
actually about Spain is wrong, PP+Vox would gain a majority since the madrid election
@B. Céin which ways is the PP so close to the PSOE?
@B. Cé As a non spanish person I would say it would be logical for PP and Vox cooperating since vox provide support for the pp in several legislatures.
I think this is a great thing, and hardly a “socialist take over”
Socialist takeover would be a great thing though.
I hope you will cover Iceland’s election on the 25th.
Norway has renewable energy which can be stored for years, switched on and switched off for use within a second. I hope that relationship with Europe remains well such that all renewable energy can be shared (on sunny and windy days and on rainy and quiet days).
In Belgium its extreme right thats on the rise 😂
Good , there was a rally in the past In Belgium that asked for sharia law
@@karankapoor2701 yes a lot of these members are in prison and the organization is now illegal in Belgium because it was linked with terrorism.
In Belgium right now the 2 biggest parties are right wing and extreme right wing, next elections those 2 alone will probably have majority and will rule :))
@@diablo5028 maybe that's good , Sweden is full of no go zones and same with france
@@karankapoor2701 true
If only true socialism was on the rise lol. It's better to clarify that this is more a wave of social democracy
@@ishaannag4545 No, British
Socialisim will faill like always
@@poglavnikjoebidenovic3408 lol you memed me with your profile pic I though you were an anarchist for a second
Let’s hope Socialism is NOT on the rise thankyou
yea we havnt had true socialism for a whyle. Why not killing millions again with those ideas?
What significantly more refreshing political questions going on there.
According to some polls the Icelandic conservative party may suffer a major loss in the upcoming election, 6 days from now.
More like the rise of the right-wing of left-leaning parties
Tbh, more like "Right wing parties have been on the rise since the 1980s- With the exception of the aftermath of 9/11 and Covid-19". Is my take of it atleast, idk how good it goes in Italy, Spain, Czechia, the Netherlands etc.
The two biggest parties on the right, The Conservative Party and the Progress Party, who also happen to be the two parties (out of the 9 parliamentary parties going into the election) both had severe losses, going back 4.7% and 3.6% respectively, and thus losing 15 MPs in total. The centre right Christian People's Party only lost 0.4% but ended up butchered, losing 5 out of 8 MPs. Meanwhile the centre-right Liberal Party was the only party going up, gaining 0.2% and 0 new MPs. In total no right-leaning parties gained any MPs.
Meanwhile the centre-left Centre-Party went up 3.2% gaining 9 more MPs, the Socialist Left gained +2 MPs and The Red Party gained +7 MPs, entering parliament with more than 1 MP for the first time. The Green Party flopped, landing on 3.9%, just shy of breaking the 4% needed to get 7-8 MPs, but still went up from 1 to 3 MPs.
Arghh, it's pronounced "ROY-TERS"
People in the comment who confuse social-democracy with socialism...
They are americans... XD For them we are all socialists.
Muricans…
Once Scotland gets independence, will be interesting to see what party’s pop up and where about on the spectrum we will sit.
Norway’s left: wins
TLDR: now this is what I call a major shift to leftism across Europe
I had the same thought my brother in name
Is this the rise of Socialism in Europe?
Me, a German: * Looks at all 3 left of center party * not even the one founded by members of the GDR Communists wants to do anything but social democratic politics... i mean ok the most left party (Die Linke) doesn't like NATO but I'm sure that can be discussed somehow
Or Germany could look at france and not completely open their border
Communists are not left. I tell this as a russian, just look at the policies of our modern communist party, lol (I still will vote for it, cause I have no other choice)
are u complaining? Are u thinking about voting for one of those 3?
Bro die linke ist der knbegriff von abstrusem sozialismus. Sie lehnen die Nato ab, sie wollen den verfassungschutz abschaffen, sie wollen den spitzensteuersatz von reichen massiv erhöhen, haben bis heute nicht die DDR verurteilt und sie haben noch weitere komische Ansichten. Ich versteh nicht wieso immer alle von ,,wahrem sozialismusˋˋ sprechen den es nie gab. Ein bündnis mit den linken will niemand sehen
@@user-yx3zk5qq5h They're not real communists.
The world of politics is like many others, goes through cycles. In the case of western democracies, they have a clear tendency to cycle between liberal/socialist political consensus and conservative/capitalist political consensus in ~10-20 years cycles. It's always the case that the incumbents get complacent and sloppy, while the opposition gets angry and motivated, along with the public getting board of the incumbents or their mistakes start adding up like a toxic marriage. The political consensus we've been living under since the 80s or 90s has been one of loony conservatives and a neoliberal economic policies.
Centre-left and other left-wing parties have often been popular in Norway with the odd right-wing and centre party here and then.
A wave of well meaning left parties would be a saving grace for this continent, but it needs to be the right one.
No extremism praying on social envy to rally up the masses but also no superficial performative center left parties that aren't ready to tackle issues in a decisive manner.
Been hoping for something like that a long time
Define extremism? Because left parties that want equal rights for minorities and democracy back in the workplace with worker owned coops are being called radical.
No thank you, keep your liberalism for yourself
@@philipp7036 using the term liberalism to describe leftist ideology is the easiest way to know a person is either a conservative, an idiot, or has no idea what they're talking about. Unfortunately, odds are you're all three.
@@wile123456 In my view, nothing you said here is radical at all. No leftist party, even center-left, should exist without holding onto these beliefs.
More is needed tho, these are just the basics.
@@philipp7036 liberalism is inherently capitalist. So yes. Keep that to yourself.
Well Germany could confirm this
add democratic before or after then it is correct
hopefully not...
Well, democratic Germany could confirm this democratically.
Did you leave capslock on when you wrote LEFT-WING? or did you write it that way to scare people?
This video aged like milk. The centre-left Labour Party of Norway is now polling at 14%. It’s worst result since the early 1900s
I don't really get these green parties in very wealthy countries advocating for quitting oil exports altogether (Scotland's does it as well). I mean, I understand if the concern is with the environmental damage drilling causes to their own coasts, but it's usually a matter of climate change.
However, it's not like if their buyers will stop using oil - they'll simply buy from someone else. If they used their own oil revenues to finance clean energy elsewhere it'd be more efficient, I guess.
Supply and demand.
Reduce supply and costs will go up, reducing usage till supply can catch up, a lot of the people financing industry is also quitting the oil industry, so there's less investment in new exploration and exploitation.
And there's a lot of political and diplomatic pressure towards putting an end to oil too.
It *will* happen, the question is just when, and how big the climate impact on the world will be.
Green movements are attacking the fossile fuel industries on all fronts, not just the supply side.
The idea is to transition the country into not relying on these exports and to stop a hypocrisy if and when transitions to clean energy occur.
@@Luredreier - not every country has the luxury of replacing fossil fuel for something else even partially, let alone in the whole chain. China, for instance, is Norway's largest buyer - of course they'd simply buy oil from someone else.
So if other oil producers don't get on board, this policy would only shift oil revenues to another oil-producing country. Oil-dependent countries will still use fossil fuel even if the cost is higher. We're not talking about a superfluous commodity, after all.
That said, if the intention is to show the world a good example, well, Norway is the one country that can afford it, doubtlessly.
Just got to hope some person entered Art school.
And fail it.
Let's make sure we're actually talking about forms of socialism or socialist adjacent policy rather than wHEn ThE gUbeMeNT dOeS sTuFf First.
I like how here in eastern europe we are going towards the right but we still keep more left or centrist economy
@Luca Goodoeri know that should change we should be going further, to secure our future
Well i'm going to vote for LEFT-WING
'extremist parties... this includes the green which are anti-oil'
Since when is the green party an extreme party? or the Marxist party for that matter?
Extremism according to TLDR: Make the teeth part of the body, non-profit welfare services and tax the rich.
@Luca Goodoer TLDR is clearly a liberal-oriented channel. Indirect statements like these every single video are not a surprise.
Will say that green parties are a bit less popular in West Norway due to how much the oil contributes to our economy, as well as jobs.
without oil we cant drive cars and those ww2 vehicles used in tank shows need fuel how are they suppsoed to drive them withoput fuel? we are not modifying them with that EV crap cause thats rewriting history
@@bludeuce3855 Who gives a shit about tank shows?
love that the greens are named extreme, because they are against oil. Lots of people are extremists then :D
The problem is not oil
Yes u end with oil
And then? Our world is still full mobilized by oil
That's a childish view, that we can switch to oil in a matter of months
Wrll in Spain Psoe is now for several months been under pp and UP is almost on their worst results
Have been waiting for a long time for this! So happy we get a new government!!
TLDR folks: the word socialism actually does have a meaning? So no, there is no socialism on the rise.
It has several usages, such as:
- Social Democracy
- Increase in democratic control over the economy
- State ownership (to a larger extent)
- Co-ops
And many others, including the Leninist redefinition of "Transition stage between Capitalism and Communism".
A more general definition is that "Socialism is when the workers and/or the people own and/or control the (basic) means of production" - That definition covers everyone, from the Social Democrats, who only want the key industries/essentials owned collectively, to communism - but this is all a large ideological family with different definitions and benchmarks pending on language, country, ideology, etc.
TLDR could you do a video on if its possible to replace all the fossil fuel using transport to use batteries instead and if their is enough materials to make the batteries
why does the eu channel voice sounds so deep compared to the usa one lol
dutch elections were mostly right wing, so we weren't mentioned ;P
Not realy, its framed that way and depends on how you view center partys like D66 and CDA
left is more 45% right is 55%
Its more like the decline of right-wing parties.
Thank you America for showing us the result of right wingers in power.
What? No it's the decline of centrist parties. The right is rising all over Europe while the center is being destroyed.
@@ThePanMan11 Trump wasn't exactly right wing and still he was a pretty good president, A lot better than the one they have now anyway
@@memetopia5130 yeah... No
@@ThePanMan11 You really are not up to date on European politics are you?
Im seeing the intro and are confused where the left wing wave is
At least that angry little guy with the stumpy moustache, isn't making a comeback.
(2:00) Wow, how extreme, they are against oil 😯😫
It's Norway lol. Oil is 20% of their GDP.
It was Støre who called them "extreme", which is a blatant falsehood. Extremism is about using terror and violence to achieve political ends, none of which remotely describes Rødt or MdG. The parties are "radical", not "extreme". Støre meanwhile defends radical liberalism when he pretends as if green politics can wait. The change has to happen NOW, or better yet YESTERDAY, while Støre lives in an anti-scientific fantasy world pretending that we aren't contributing to a destruction and pollution of the planet we all live on.
Let's call it anti-capitalist wave, shall we?
and the lefts socialist ideas will starve millions to death and send us back to the dark ages due to renewables
@@bludeuce3855 Sure... We are coming to eat your babys ;)
'Is it even right to call it a socialist wave'...
Remembers image of Starmer from earlier in the video.
"Is left wing politics on the rise in Europe? ".... Ask it to the bataclan victims.
Did he seriously read Reuters as "rooters"
Illiteracy is on the rise in this smart-phone world.
Surely having people in charge who don't throw money around like confetti is what you'd want after a pandemic.
That’s why a leftist government is not the best now…
1. The Left does not throw money around like confetti, that is usually the right - throwing money to companies to keep them afloat, while not expecting it back
2. Stimulation of the economy after economic difficulties is demonstrated to be the best way to get people back to work - thoughit should come with demands
3. Norway is filthy rich, with an enormous oil fund, of which we usually only use the interest to stimulate the state budgets
@@Kraisedion The right is not the side known for increased government spending.
The funds sent to companies are used to save as many jobs as possible.
@@sigurddaehli In Norway the Left/Right divide is usually based on how much of the economy should be owned by the state, with the left wanting to gain funds through directly running key companies, while the right wants to privatise and tax instead.
The second divide is on welfare, where the left wants to own and run it, while the right wants to outsource large portions of it and pay companies a lot of money to take the tasks on.
The right parties are also generally in favour of paying parents to stay home with their children, while the left wants to cut this expenditure.
The left wants somewhat higher taxes on the rich, but most are left unaffected and wants slightly better welfare offers - some parties for instance wanting to subsidise dental, glasses, etc. to a higher extent - but these are just things that benefit the general population.
@@Kraisedion The right is definitely not for having parents get paid for staying at home with their children.
I myself am a right-wing politician in Norway.
On welfare, both sides agree that we should keep the welfare-state, but disagree on how much outsourcing. The intention of the right is that the same spending should be decided by the citizen, in private or public institutions, while the spending will stay the same.
The right, as you said, believe that privatization of companies is better than them being state-owned. This is to increase profit which results in higher tax income and better quality, because of the free market. The same can be said for the welfare state paying for private healthcare institutions.
If they are against oil and gas and want to reduce their dependence, then why do they hate the greens
Dear all very super smart gentle
very super politics and human behaviour.
Thank you very much.