Wacker ET65 vs Kubota KX057. Bucket Breakout Comparison with Pin Grabber Coupler.
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Are you actually getting the breakout force listed on the spec sheet? We put the Wacker ET65 to the test to see how adding the pin grabber coupler to this machine impacts the breakout force.
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Grinding Niels gears should be a weekly episode like TMT is.
I ground my gears just getting to work this morning
@@madtater5948 no shame in that, least you’re shifting gears and going to work. 👍
We all want bigger numbers. The truth is that for most the difference could be made up by being a better operator. Nice video Niel.
nailed that one :-)
Unfortunately you missed a opportunity to be transparent about this. Why didn't you do the same test with the kxo57 and compare the results with the glossy spec sheet? I'm a kubota fan!
According to CAT the numbers the list are accurate for pin grabbers within thier mini line.
So glad to see that load cell come back out!
Great video. I love tests like this which produce solid data. It would have been interesting to see the Kubota make a couple of pulls. 👍
All of your videos are great, Neil.
Good points. But I find most trenching and digging I am using dipper to load the bucket. Really only use bucket curl breakout for ripping up stumps.
Neil. first off, I have a lot of respect for you and your organization. Full disclosure, I own a dealership in Wisconsin. We sell Wacker, Krone and other brands. The video caught my attention by the title but then I recognized the actual machine you're testing because I bought it off auction. Small world. We should point out that it does have 1300 hours, and the question needs to be asked if it is 100% up to the pressure specs? I'll check it when I get a chance because I'm curious too. The other interesting fact is you can't buy an ET65 in the US without a hydraulic pin grabber. It's standard equipment.
Here's a practical example of breakout force. I used the ET65 on my own property to dig a trench thru the woods. Put a 12" bucket on it and sliced though roots and rocks like nothing. Popped the 24" bucket back on to backfill. All from the cab. Even that 24" bucket is too small for this machine in many conditions.
You really do need to do the same test on a Kubota machine. Inaccurate marketing claims grind my gears too so let's get to the bottom of this!
Funny. You're probably right that this is the machine, it went to auction from us. So if Wacker sells only the hydraulic couplers, why do a spec sheet using a configuration that is not even sold in this country?
@@MessicksEquip I agree. I'm also really curious where you got that load cell setup. I think I need one! 👍
@@roythorne4615 eBay. 10,000lb. About $300 I think, got it a few years ago. I use it a few times a year for videos.
Um, how is using a 1ft and 2ft bucket on that size machine indicative of coupler effectiveness? Hopefully it can also snap a toothpick...
Now try putting on a 3foot tooth bucket and dig over the side with the heavy coupler and hog it into a truck. Let us know which handles better is quicker And has more power. And what... 1300hrs is a lot to you? Really? Boy i see a Lot of machines for sale going into the many thousands of hours and none of them are becoming limp-wristed. You know if you think you can argue with basic Geometry, you're going to come up looking foolish indeed ~
Your reputation is on the line Neil,
Your saying the competition is bad because it has a pin grabber, but you do not say what your Kubota has for breakout force with an optional pin grabber.
You use a used machine to check the competitors specs? SERIOUSLY??
Yeah I'm calling this test BS too. There's a claim in here that geometry changes the force and then demonstrates that. Then a claim follows that the competitor's smaller machine will out dig this one. I don't seem to see any kind of testing done to either Kubota machines mentioned to back up those claims. To properly use breakout force you have to roll the heel of the bucket against the ground or the tree you're digging up anyway, so this method essentially just tests the pulling power of the arm under a specific set of circumstances.
Great topic for discussion, your demonstration hits on some truths, but it’s also a little misleading. You are correct that almost all excavator manufactures, have their bucket break out, force measured with a pin on bucket, but that still will be a useful measurement of bucket breakout force. For example, if you were to take two excavators of different brands that are in the same class and have approximately the same bucket breakout force, and you were add a pin grabber coupler to each one of them, the loss of power would roughly be the same. Another point to be made is that the stick force is more important than the bucket breakout force because the majority of Excavation is done with the stick force. You only really need the bucket force if you’re prying out a rock or trying to break through hard pan. If a operator is working for a main stream, underground construction or a grading company being able to reverse the bucket, and be able to attach two multi brands of buckets is essential to productivity.
Your spot on for a larger class excavator. In our experience, in a mini-ex the bucket breakout is far more important than a larger machine. In these small machines with their limited weight you rely on the stronger bucket circuit a lot more often. Also in the smaller class machines is the fact that the pin-grabber is not the ubiquitous option that it is in a higher weight class. There is a lot more coupler variety.
I have a kubota and went for a pin grabber, i would rather have the flexibility and tight fitting bucket over the tiny breakout loss, i have run a machtin machine with the oem kubota hitch and I did not notice any difference in performance, but I did notice a less optimal curl and reach compared to my pin grabber.
Fortunately, if that spec sheet breakout force number is uber important to you and you still want all the convenience of the pin grabber coupler (or similar) you can always get a custom bucket or 2 made shorter, so the geometry from the end of the stick pin to the tip of the bucket teeth matches a standard bucket, when using the coupler (then it wouldn't be 8" further out to the teeth in this case). Problem solved, course you will have less capacity in the bucket, unless the rear of the bucket is setup like a high capacity bucket... Personally, I think the convenience and versatility of the Hydraulic pin grabber coupler is way more important than the ultimate bucket breakout force number..... but that is just my opinion, yours may vary (& be wrong:) but anyways, have a good one!!
your custom bucket is a fun idea. I'd be worried it would not clean out because of its shape.
Theres is also the option to go to the wedge coupler like the kubota has wacker might not offer it but i am sure the dealer you are going through has an aftermarket option that will be priced similarly as or less then the pin grabber
But you didn't do the same test with kabota to back up the same numbers..? Was Especially interested in you doing it with the KX57 as I just traded in a wacker newson 50Z3 for KX57. Lmao the title even says vs KX57 and didn't even do that part. Come on let's see it!
Very interesting. Great video!
Great job. I have always appreciated your honest approach when discussing equipment across the board.
Not very honest if it's not replicated with a test from the kabota..?
@@crashb62 the channels past videos have established a level of integrity that developed into trust for me. I wish I had a dealer of this caliber near me. Have a good one
@@andydsimmons haha love how they reply a like to your comment and just totally negates mine. No response Is the best to let you know when your in the right. What I said wasn't really even a negative comment. Just illustrating how bias of a test this was...
Your reputation is on the line Neil,
Your saying the competition is bad because it has a pin grabber, but you do not say what your Kubota has for breakout force with an optional pin grabber.
You use a used machine to check the competitors specs? SERIOUSLY??
You should check the numbers in a brand new Kubota to prove the test. Also how many hours on that wacker?
You gonna test that revved up or just idle it when you dig too?? They say that shouldn't matter but if you've never ran a machine at idle vs revved up you know it actually does.
Your right that a machine recovers and hits relief faster when digging with the rev's up. Adding rev's though would not change anything I did here.
Interesting test, thanks for the info
My neighbor has a pin on. The arm is bent near the pin and replacing the bucket would be very expensive. He would love to have a quick coupler.
Neil would be a fun guy to drink with😂
So, if i am not mistaken, that style pin on coupler for the Kubota suffers loss in performance also which means the specs would also be wrong on the spec sheet. But if the couple has the same pin locations on a different manufacturer as most are on the Kubota, then the specs would be correct on the spec sheet for the other manufacturer. Correct me if I have misunderstood, thanks.
I've always considered you a wacker Neil.
Yanmar will post the breakout force for both quick coupler and pinned bucket
Good for them. That should be the norm.
But why is there the "bucketpin-assembly" still in place? Shouldn't the quick-coupler be welded straight to the bucket?
In my eyes that looks like a ordinary bucket (to be attached with pins) with some more steel added...
That's how a pin grabber coupler works. It grabs the pins.
@@MessicksEquip
It deservs a Rototilt R2 with a S-45 coupler. It transforms the excavator from a "machine showel" to a really nice multitool 👍🏼😋. Ain't cheap buying, but boosts productivity and resale value.
That's my opinion, others may have another... Chears!
When is Kubota going to offer the hydraulic coupler for the KX057-5/U55-5?
There is a pin-grabber now. Not sure when they will bring over the hydraulic coupler for the Kubota buckets from the KX040.
8 inches is a lot! 🤔
Lying marketing departments, is that something new? Paul