Ok. This does it for me! I'm nominating you for a Noble Prize! This might be your most helpful video. Keep up the GREAT work Max. You ARE the man! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Perfect Max. I changed my first air filter at 34,162 and it looked great like you said. I'm at 80,600 miles and I'll probably change it this winter while I have it apart to clean up some wiring. I ride year round so it's never down for "winter storage". Thanks for all you do Max.
Thanks, Max for providing this great insight about the air filter. Once again you have provided a great service to the Goldwing Community. This maintenance procedure seems a bit over my skill level after watching the videos on how to do it. What concerns me even more is having it done at the dealership by some tech that is not experienced at doing this. How can one be confident that all the parts get put back in the right places and even worse is that they do not all get put back? I'm sure the tech is not concerned if there are a few parts left over. I'm approaching 16,000 miles and was not looking forward to having this done, not because of the expense, but for the reasons I mentioned. You just did a great service to many people wondering the same thing.
I'm glad you did this video. I changed my air filter at 16K (as recommended) and it was barely dirty. No way am I changing it again that soon. I'll probably run this filter for at least another 50K before changing it again, unless I'm doing some other maintenance where I have the bike mostly disassembled, then I would consider changing it. I believe Honda's maintenance intervals of several things are way too short. Besides the air filter, I also think the mileage change recommendation for the spark plugs and the coolant are way too soon as well. I changed the plugs at the recommended interval and they were in perfect condition, as was the coolant...
That's very interesting, Max. In the UK, some Goldwings came with a 3 year free servicing offer...my 2020 Bagger did. Due to covid etc I only managed to put 1800 miles on my Goldwing in 3 years, yet the main dealer told me I should have the full 16000 mile service done at its third service, which included changing the air filter, spark plugs etc. I had a long debate with the dealer about whether all that needed doing after just 1800 miles, but they said it should be done so as to keep a full service history of the vehicle and to ensure that any extended Honda warranty I might take out would be OK. So I eventually agreed and they did all of that extensive service work. Of course they had to dismantle the bike and take off a lot of panels, and in doing so they caused multiple scratches to the black plastic panels, and some other damage. I then had to enter into difficult discussions with them about the damage that i knew they had caused, but which they denied. Long story short, after much to-ing and fro-ing they did eventually agree to replace most of the damaged panels. Now having seen your video, I know that all that work and hassle was completely unnecessary. I've since bought a newer bagger, again with the 3 year free servicing deal, but I definitely WON'T be having my air filter replaced after 3 years, which for me will be way less than 16000 miles.
I changed the air filter in my 2013 F6B at 34,000 miles. I bought the bike used, two years prior to changing the filter. I doubt it had been changed by the previous owner, since it had pretty low miles when I got it. Anyway, once I got to the filter and saw its condition, I felt I could have gotten a couple more seasons out of it. It’s definitely a job I wouldn’t want to do often. It took me about 6 hours. I’d be willing to bet that the majority of GoldWing owners spend most of their time riding in good weather and road conditions and fairly clean environments. I think the 16,000 mile intervals is a money grab by Honda, trusting that most owners are not going to do that job themselves. I now own a ‘21 Wing since new. It has about 24,000 miles on it. After seeing the condition of the filter on my F6B and now your video, reaffirming that these things will go a long way, even in less than ideal conditions, I will confidently leave it alone for at least a couple more seasons. Thanks for this.
I don’t have the newer Goldwing but I bought a used 2006 and the filter had not been changed in over 45,000 miles. It was my first time, so I went to a friends house up in Oregon, I live in Northern California, and when we got down to it, in about 45 minutes, It was barely dirty and had one leaf that had gotten in there. Of course since I was in there, I went ahead and changed it anyway using a K & N filter which will definitely extend the change interval by a whole lot. I have been using K&N filters since the ‘70’s with no issues. Thanks for bringing clarification to this issue. I have never adhered to Honda’s recommended change interval.
I am at just over 17k miles on my 22. I put a bore scope into mine and took some pictures. It has some dust on it but the whole filter is still a nice light yellow with zero black/dark areas. I decided to leave it. This was confirmed when I was at a dealer and showed the service advisor the pics and he said he wouldn't change it yet either. I'll send you a pic.
Thanks Max, great info for us GW owners. I have done three on the pre 2018 Goldwings, one for my self and then I did two of my friends, by the time I got to the third one I was pretty adept, and not really intimidated by it anymore. However that being said I was still not looking forward to doing my 2019 which now has 13K miles on it even though I would do it with Cruisman's maintenance videos and even though I have had most of the required plastic off already. It's really unfortunate that mother Honda even with all the technology we have today did not install a filter restriction gauge or some type of indicator to let us know when the filter really needed to be changed. Thanks again for your very important air filter video, keep up the great work!
Glad I found this one! I was about to change the filter on my 2012. Being a semi-pampered low mileage machine, I believe I will save myself the headache and wait for at least 32,000. Or maybe just pass it off to the next owner. Awesome.
Holy smokes this video is invaluable. Thank you so very much! I only have 11,000 on my 2018 but I was already dreading changing out the air filter. Now I won’t bother. By the way I received my Traxxion Dynamics full “tip over kit” this week and will get it installed maybe next week. I have a white “tour” just like “Cruisemans” Goldwing.
Great info! I said all along that I have no plans to change the air filter until a minimum of 50k and then only if my bore scope says different. 80% of that scheduled maintenance guide is a farce IMO but it helps line the dealership pockets and kept them afloat. Glad you proven that point! I have a brand new filter I bought in 18 with the bike but at 5k per year it may never get used! lol.
Thanks for your view on this subject. I have been following Honda, and once I did my filter not too long ago, and definitely didn’t need too. And I never considered how a fuel injected engine runs.
Love, love, love this video. That's what I thought when I changed mine. I wished I hadn't bothered. So much risk of breakage of various fasteners and clips. Makes me think Honda knew it didn't need replacing that often.
100% agree. Plus the crank air ported in to the airbox coats the element with oil mist that makes it even more effective. I did my own at 25000 (2010 model) and I’m not going in there that deep again for at least 50k more!!
Great video Max I appreciate the info my buddy keeps telling me I got 16,000 miles I should be changing my filter and after watching the videos that we watched and all the plastic and body parts that have to come off I’ll keep it to 50,000 miles. Thanks again.
I only change when I have the bike apart for other maintenance. I usually have the bike apart each winter for maintenance and other inspections. I'll put a new air filter in. I agree, with your premise that it doesn't need it. Just doing it because I have the bike open for other reasons.
Great heads up Max! Had a 2010 Goldwing I purchased at 44000 kms (27324 miles) and road it till 107000 kms without changing the air filter. Didn't detect any issues. Got a 2020 now and will not be changing the air filter till 75000 kms. Do more videos to help us not get the old shake down so often.
Max thank's for this video, and you convinced me, I changed mine @ 20K and was planning to do it again @ 40K, I also had the same concerns about dismantling all those parts, cause those clips never hold as good as the first time not to mention keeping track of where they all go and the different sizes, in fact I had a few left over afterwards, but have not experienced any squeaking so I figured I would pay extra attention next time around. I have a 2021 and besides that seat, this is my biggest complaint about the engineering design of this amazing bike, this is my 7th bike, with the last two being harleys and I totally love it, except for those two items. Also I really like those cable upgrades your developed for the glove box and fuel door, I'm also a strong believer in analog systems, just less stuff to go wrong, simple is best. Javi G.
I have a 2018 that was purchased new in 2021. I brought it from the original owner 4 months ago with 7,400 miles. Absolutely mint condition for $19500 She now has over 12000 miles on her. After watching this video I think I’ll be changing my air around 100,000 miles. If I’m so blessed to live long enough to see those miles accumulate. Here’s for hoping. P.S. I will be purchasing your heal toe shifter soon. Thx
I agree that it's a fiddly job to change the air filter on a modern bike and the plugs too, but I'll continue to change (clean really as I use serviceable air filters on my bikes) mine every 10000 km, that's 6000 miles for those stuck in la la land. I don't change them after contaminants get through...it's too late by then, I don't change them when they become restrictions, like the ones shown in this video, I change them before they are an issue. It's called MAINTENANCE. I don't service my vehicles in order to repair them, I do it to prevent the need for repairs as much as possible.
I love the 1800 and the DCT and all that, but be realistic: I can change air filter, fuel filter, engine oil, coolant, driveshaft oil, timing belt and tensioners on my GL 1500 in the time it takes to change just the air filter on a GL 1800. I am 55, and my Goldwing will definitely survive me... 😏💖
You aren't worried about a "loose" valve, that hurts nothing. Tight valves are the problem. But I've never heard of one really. You can check them without pulling cams.
The only way to truly tell the status of an air filter is by a differential test which measures how much air can get through…a visual inspection doesn’t get there.
Since the motorcycle with 76,000 miles on the filter had no detectable loss of performance, and no evidence of any dust on the post side of the filter in the airbox, it appears that empirical evidence is sufficient to say that it isn't necessary to change the filter at 16,000 (or have it flow tested... But you can change yours if you want!
Max great video!!!!! Im thinking the money you saved every Goldwing owner for the cost of a needless air filter change, they should purchase your Tip Over Protection Kit!!!!! 👍👍
Thank you for your insight. It bolsters the general idea of most experienced GW owners that Honda’s recommendation for the air filter change is just that: a recommendation. Shame on Honda for burying the air filter in the heart of the bike.
Very nice to see the real try about the airfilter I ask the last time olso about the valves check and coils may you can also film it. Thanks grts from belgium
I agree with maybe pushing the miles out alot further but I've got the '07 with only 14k miles wiith the original factory filter still, I would think age itself requires more frequent changing vs just miles too. I feel gross with that thing still in there. I might change it next month just because 😅
Trouble engineering on the air filter thank for the information on this filter will save me money.i heard next year there going to change the location of the air filter 2025 thank max
good info, just to see a 76K air filter. while 16k is surely excessive, i would say that the cleanliness of the engine side of the air filter is not a good gauge. anything on that side is already in your engine.
The post side of the filter in the airbox itself is though, as it is coated in a fine mist of fuel residue that would definitely hold any dust... and I've never seen any.
Hi there i s a vid on you tube where they are changing the air filter on the last Goldwing model and they find a mouse has been in and trashed the filter. They are talking about putting a grill on the air intake duct to stop this. ????
I have seen this grill cover... you would have to be an idiot to put those on there while the MC is in use. I guess you could put them there for winter storage...
Well if I could find the actual intake area I would put a primary filter over that, then let the factory filter be secondary. Great video. I still need to do the steering and heli bar addition. The shaking at 40-50 mph is terrible
@@MrMindlink my front tire was in excellent shape. It started with the previous tire. I removed the centric balancers I had and went back to balancing with beads. However the new tie bar really seems to make a difference. Steering is much tighter and predictable
Recently i had my 20,000 km service which included the air filter change. Likely it was done as when they opened it a mouse had pulled in fabric in to build nest on top of filter through air intake. Have you seen this before or have a solution to prevent in future
There was a company that made grates for the intake on the 01-17 Wing for long term storage. You can't get to the snorkel on the new bike without disassembling it. Not sure how to stop the mouse thing! Maybe a borescope lots of people use... you would have to take the shelter off in the spring when you return to service and look in the air box.
Thanks for putting this video together. I’m not surprised at all as I have always seen similar results on previous bikes and cars. Max, did you ever get your cough checked by a doctor? All the Best, JH.
Max your 100% right. However there are times like if the bike is driven in dry dusty areas all the time, like Saudi Arabia, the 16000 mile interval might be right would you agree? Also when you look at the air filter position why didn't Honda either put a duct to the throttle bodies and place the air filter in a more convenient place, or fit a trap door system like a cabin filter type arrangement at the front of the bike, I've fitted a few previous 1800 goldwing filters and wondered why Honda have ver addressed this issue it makes the whole job expensive for the end user, I realise it's a premium product but not addressing this issue by fitting a service item where you have to strip the motorcycle down so much is a matter of common sence. Maybe they should have YOU involved in the next model as a consultant.
I would agree with you, only After I hear a response from Honda's engineer who was assigned to this design. My issue here is the warranty by Honda, either factory or extended. If something major goes wrong, and it can, how can you argue with mother Honda? I keep photos and videos of everything I do to this sweet thing. I don't want to fight the dealer or Honda for coverage. I did my filter, in my garage, at 17K. Yes, she was pretty clean and NO, it was not too bad to do. I took my time and it was done and on record. This bike cost me way too much to play with such claim. OOOOOOh and the filter is only around 50.00. I am good with that.
There is absolutely no way for Honda to know when your air filter was changed. As this video demonstrates, they all look the same. In my 40+ years in the motorcycle business, I have never heard of one single Goldwing that had the rings, pistons, and cylinders wear out, regardless of mileage or maintenance provided by the owner, and never heard of anyone placing a warranty claim for a new engine. Dirt just isn't getting past that filter. If it were, it would stuck all over the inside of the airbox, since it is always coated in a film of petroleum residue from the fuel.
@@Traxxion So, must be reason why Honda put in the manual 16K interval. It is pretty low interval, but why? Maybe the air flow/lungs is critical for that type of block? or, they had some challenges with the air duct work on this bike? Air restrictions?
@@alp3781 It sells service and parts. That's all. Just remember the filter in the War Horse had 76,000 miles on it, not a spec of dust in the airbox past the filter, and the top side looked exactly like any other filter I've ever seen at any other interval. He didn't loose any noticeable performance or fuel economy.
@@alp3781 In order for a Goldwing to have a "warranty claim" where Honda questioned the frequency the filter was changed, it would come from one single possibility: An engine where so much dirt had gotten past the air filter that it ground down the piston rings to the point where the engine lost enough compression to start and run. That will never, ever, happen. Period.
Those filters are disgusting. Amazing that the one you opened still functions. I’ll be dead before my filter needs to be changed based on the miles I put on in a year. Thanks Max.
How would it affect your warranty by not changing this filter? If there is mileage latitude for exceeding the 16,000 Mi, what are it's limits? Great as always Max, Good Rides.
Yes this is also my same very important question ! My gw 2021 needs a dealer intervention , because its over 24000km. I will ask him also this question here in Belgium.
It's against the law for an OEM to deny warranty because a dealer didn't perform all scheduled maintenance. You can just say it was changed every 16,000 by you. Looking at the 3 filters in the video, they all look the same. So who could tell? What if you lived on a gravel road in the country? They can't tell you how much mileage is on your filter.
Honda can't force you to have dealer performed maintenance to maintain the validity of your warranty. This video shows that no one could tell the mileage on a filter. You just need to tell them you changed it yourself. Having said that... the only thing "warranty" related to the air filter would be worn out piston rings and cylinder bores. I have never heard of that on any Goldwing made since 1975.
I have a scooe,use it to check my aircleaner,untill that thing is filthy it ain't coming out,by the way use factory airfilters and not k@n.you cant tell as easy.,put new one in at 36000 miles and it was like new.2003 1800.have 55,000 on now and scoped it looks like new.
If you would like a comaprison of new vs several filters of various milage, contact Project Farm. He may devise a neat test for this if you supply the filters. He does not accept sponsorships.
(in war veteran voice) Hey Man... you haven't been in The Shit! You wouldn't know. When those boxes come creeping out of the woodwork you better be locked and loaded or you ain't gonna make it, Bro!
I think the only real test will be the air passage through the filter. When we say the filter is dirty it is not about the color or cleanness on the back. It is how much of the air passing capacity is lost. Nothing will happen to the engine if you do not replace the air filter at the 16K miles, but the fuel consumption will raise and the engine will be working on incorrect mixture that will affect the spark plugs and piston rings.
It is clear you don't have even a rudimentary understanding of how a modern motorcycle works. You should become more familiar with "fuel injection" which has been available on cars for 70 years and motorcycles for 30 years. The engine will never have an incorrect fuel mixture, and will always run exactly the same mixture at all temperatures and altitudes. Any restriction on the air filter due to dirt is inconsequential, and is far less of a factor than simply going up 5,000 feet in elevation. The "War Horse" air filter had 76,000 miles on it, and it was driven in all temperatures, weather, and road conditions, including dirt and gravel. The owner noticed no loss of power or fuel economy. If you have similar empirical data to present, please do.
@@Traxxion, yes, I am an old school and I might not have "rudimentary" knowledge of motorcycle injection systems, but the logic says it will be dependent on the input data for the CPU of the injection controller. If it gets the air resistance (or air amount passed) through the filter from a sensor, then a dirty filter should not affect the fuel consumption. I haven't seen that type of controller on the cars I have driven and the replacement of an old air filter did show a small difference in fuel consumption. For the bikes I do not have similar data as the Goldwing I bought last year is my first injected machine. My bike has now 90K and I am going to replace the filter and see what will happen. After that I will post my results. I hope you are right and I will not need to change my GL's filter for another time.
@@Traxxion In fact I do have some rudimentary understanding of fuel injection, but it was limited mostly to diesel and old cars that did not adjust the fuel mixture because they were very simple or mechanical. Your reply made me to do some research and yes, you are right, it does adjust the mixture in present systems, but the performance might diminish with dirty filters. So, should we drive till it comes to performance fall or change the filter before. I was also reading that there were times when the filter was sucked into the engine. From all my reading a question came up: if there are sensors that can measure air vacuum behind the filter (or air flaw), why not to have a warning light when that vacuum comes close to really dirty filter? I am still convinced that visual inspection can not tell you how bad the filter is clogged, because the dust is not black and you can not really see it unless there is too much of it. It seems more like gambling then science.
I figured out I am allergic to some medication they had me on for reflux. It's gotten better. Recently in GA, we have our spring pollen season (now). While "BAD" pollen counts for humans is something like 400ppm, we have pollen counts in GA over 8000ppm each year! There is so much pollen it makes yellow clouds on the ground and you leave tire tracks in it like snow!
Ok. This does it for me! I'm nominating you for a Noble Prize! This might be your most helpful video. Keep up the GREAT work Max. You ARE the man! 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
Thanks Taalib!
Perfect Max. I changed my first air filter at 34,162 and it looked great like you said. I'm at 80,600 miles and I'll probably change it this winter while I have it apart to clean up some wiring. I ride year round so it's never down for "winter storage". Thanks for all you do Max.
You got it.
Thanks, Max for providing this great insight about the air filter. Once again you have provided a great service to the Goldwing Community. This maintenance procedure seems a bit over my skill level after watching the videos on how to do it. What concerns me even more is having it done at the dealership by some tech that is not experienced at doing this. How can one be confident that all the parts get put back in the right places and even worse is that they do not all get put back? I'm sure the tech is not concerned if there are a few parts left over. I'm approaching 16,000 miles and was not looking forward to having this done, not because of the expense, but for the reasons I mentioned. You just did a great service to many people wondering the same thing.
Glad it helped, and saves money! and bikes!
Phenomenal video, Max!
I'm glad you did this video. I changed my air filter at 16K (as recommended) and it was barely dirty. No way am I changing it again that soon. I'll probably run this filter for at least another 50K before changing it again, unless I'm doing some other maintenance where I have the bike mostly disassembled, then I would consider changing it. I believe Honda's maintenance intervals of several things are way too short. Besides the air filter, I also think the mileage change recommendation for the spark plugs and the coolant are way too soon as well. I changed the plugs at the recommended interval and they were in perfect condition, as was the coolant...
Thank god. So crazy the depths you have to go to get this darn filter.
That's very interesting, Max. In the UK, some Goldwings came with a 3 year free servicing offer...my 2020 Bagger did.
Due to covid etc I only managed to put 1800 miles on my Goldwing in 3 years, yet the main dealer told me I should have the full 16000 mile service done at its third service, which included changing the air filter, spark plugs etc. I had a long debate with the dealer about whether all that needed doing after just 1800 miles, but they said it should be done so as to keep a full service history of the vehicle and to ensure that any extended Honda warranty I might take out would be OK.
So I eventually agreed and they did all of that extensive service work.
Of course they had to dismantle the bike and take off a lot of panels, and in doing so they caused multiple scratches to the black plastic panels, and some other damage. I then had to enter into difficult discussions with them about the damage that i knew they had caused, but which they denied. Long story short, after much to-ing and fro-ing they did eventually agree to replace most of the damaged panels.
Now having seen your video, I know that all that work and hassle was completely unnecessary. I've since bought a newer bagger, again with the 3 year free servicing deal, but I definitely WON'T be having my air filter replaced after 3 years, which for me will be way less than 16000 miles.
I guess I saved you a lot of money!!!
I've been saying this for years and years. Good show Max!
This is the best video I've seen in some time. Great news. Thanks Max.
Glad you liked it!
I changed the air filter in my 2013 F6B at 34,000 miles. I bought the bike used, two years prior to changing the filter. I doubt it had been changed by the previous owner, since it had pretty low miles when I got it.
Anyway, once I got to the filter and saw its condition, I felt I could have gotten a couple more seasons out of it. It’s definitely a job I wouldn’t want to do often. It took me about 6 hours.
I’d be willing to bet that the majority of GoldWing owners spend most of their time riding in good weather and road conditions and fairly clean environments.
I think the 16,000 mile intervals is a money grab by Honda, trusting that most owners are not going to do that job themselves.
I now own a ‘21 Wing since new. It has about 24,000 miles on it.
After seeing the condition of the filter on my F6B and now your video, reaffirming that these things will go a long way, even in less than ideal conditions, I will confidently leave it alone for at least a couple more seasons. Thanks for this.
What an awesome, practical look at this subject! Thanks Max!
My pleasure!
Good stuff, Max! Probably the most useful info, we could get!
Glad it was helpful!
Another practical, informative, and useful video post Max. Thank You!
Glad it was helpful!
I don’t have the newer Goldwing but I bought a used 2006 and the filter had not been changed in over 45,000 miles. It was my first time, so I went to a friends house up in Oregon, I live in Northern California, and when we got down to it, in about 45 minutes, It was barely dirty and had one leaf that had gotten in there. Of course since I was in there, I went ahead and changed it anyway using a
K & N filter which will definitely extend the change interval by a whole lot. I have been using K&N filters since the ‘70’s with no issues.
Thanks for bringing clarification to this issue. I have never adhered to Honda’s recommended change interval.
As always an honest stright forwad approach. Great video. Great information! Thanks
You got it!
Thanks Max, great subject and video!👊
Glad you liked it!
I am at just over 17k miles on my 22. I put a bore scope into mine and took some pictures. It has some dust on it but the whole filter is still a nice light yellow with zero black/dark areas. I decided to leave it. This was confirmed when I was at a dealer and showed the service advisor the pics and he said he wouldn't change it yet either. I'll send you a pic.
Thanks Max, great info for us GW owners. I have done three on the pre 2018 Goldwings, one for my self and then I did two of my friends, by the time I got to the third one I was pretty adept, and not really intimidated by it anymore. However that being said I was still not looking forward to doing my 2019 which now has 13K miles on it even though I would do it with Cruisman's maintenance videos and even though I have had most of the required plastic off already. It's really unfortunate that mother Honda even with all the technology we have today did not install a filter restriction gauge or some type of indicator to let us know when the filter really needed to be changed. Thanks again for your very important air filter video, keep up the great work!
You got it!
Thanks Max. Saved me some cash and time
Glad I found this one!
I was about to change the filter on my 2012. Being a semi-pampered low mileage machine, I believe I will save myself the headache and wait for at least 32,000. Or maybe just pass it off to the next owner. Awesome.
Glad it helped!
Always informative, thanks!😊
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Holy smokes this video is invaluable. Thank you so very much! I only have 11,000 on my 2018 but I was already dreading changing out the air filter. Now I won’t bother. By the way I received my Traxxion Dynamics full “tip over kit” this week and will get it installed maybe next week. I have a white “tour” just like “Cruisemans” Goldwing.
Glad it helped! Thanks for the order!
Great info! I said all along that I have no plans to change the air filter until a minimum of 50k and then only if my bore scope says different. 80% of that scheduled maintenance guide is a farce IMO but it helps line the dealership pockets and kept them afloat. Glad you proven that point! I have a brand new filter I bought in 18 with the bike but at 5k per year it may never get used! lol.
Glad to help!
Thanks for your view on this subject. I have been following Honda, and once I did my filter not too long ago, and definitely didn’t need too. And I never considered how a fuel injected engine runs.
Glad to help!
It's great that you did this video because I will keep mine the same for a while.
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Fantastic ! Bravo !!! 😃
Thank you! Cheers!
Love, love, love this video. That's what I thought when I changed mine. I wished I hadn't bothered. So much risk of breakage of various fasteners and clips. Makes me think Honda knew it didn't need replacing that often.
You are so welcome!
Excellent, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
This is fantastic news Thank you Max you just saved me a fortune. I'll change mine every 64k whether in needs it or not 🙂
100% agree. Plus the crank air ported in to the airbox coats the element with oil mist that makes it even more effective. I did my own at 25000 (2010 model) and I’m not going in there that deep again for at least 50k more!!
Nice job, great information.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video Max I appreciate the info my buddy keeps telling me I got 16,000 miles I should be changing my filter and after watching the videos that we watched and all the plastic and body parts that have to come off I’ll keep it to 50,000 miles. Thanks again.
You got it.
I only change when I have the bike apart for other maintenance. I usually have the bike apart each winter for maintenance and other inspections. I'll put a new air filter in. I agree, with your premise that it doesn't need it. Just doing it because I have the bike open for other reasons.
Great vid, so important to know. Thanx
Glad it was helpful!
Great heads up Max! Had a 2010 Goldwing I purchased at 44000 kms (27324 miles) and road it till 107000 kms without changing the air filter. Didn't detect any issues. Got a 2020 now and will not be changing the air filter till 75000 kms. Do more videos to help us not get the old shake down so often.
Will do!
Max thank's for this video, and you convinced me, I changed mine @ 20K and was planning to do it again @ 40K, I also had the same concerns about dismantling all those parts, cause those clips never hold as good as the first time not to mention keeping track of where they all go and the different sizes, in fact I had a few left over afterwards, but have not experienced any squeaking so I figured I would pay extra attention next time around. I have a 2021 and besides that seat, this is my biggest complaint about the engineering design of this amazing bike, this is my 7th bike, with the last two being harleys and I totally love it, except for those two items. Also I really like those cable upgrades your developed for the glove box and fuel door, I'm also a strong believer in analog systems, just less stuff to go wrong, simple is best. Javi G.
The seat is unbelievable.
I have a 2018 that was purchased new in 2021. I brought it from the original owner 4 months ago with 7,400 miles. Absolutely mint condition for $19500
She now has over 12000 miles on her. After watching this video I think I’ll be changing my air around 100,000 miles. If I’m so blessed to live long enough to see those miles accumulate. Here’s for hoping.
P.S.
I will be purchasing your heal toe shifter soon. Thx
I'd probably do it sooner than that... hahaha! People LOVE the shifter...
I just purchased a filter to replace the original on my 2018 but I might just put it off a while longer as my bike only has 72000 on it.
I agree that it's a fiddly job to change the air filter on a modern bike and the plugs too, but I'll continue to change (clean really as I use serviceable air filters on my bikes) mine every 10000 km, that's 6000 miles for those stuck in la la land. I don't change them after contaminants get through...it's too late by then, I don't change them when they become restrictions, like the ones shown in this video, I change them before they are an issue. It's called MAINTENANCE. I don't service my vehicles in order to repair them, I do it to prevent the need for repairs as much as possible.
I love the 1800 and the DCT and all that, but be realistic: I can change air filter, fuel filter, engine oil, coolant, driveshaft oil, timing belt and tensioners on my GL 1500 in the time it takes to change just the air filter on a GL 1800. I am 55, and my Goldwing will definitely survive me... 😏💖
Amazing data 👌😎 plus I only ride during Clean Air Days 😬
Smart!
Great job max thank you again what about valve adjust someone told me do touch it till 40k
You aren't worried about a "loose" valve, that hurts nothing. Tight valves are the problem. But I've never heard of one really. You can check them without pulling cams.
The only way to truly tell the status of an air filter is by a differential test which measures how much air can get through…a visual inspection doesn’t get there.
Since the motorcycle with 76,000 miles on the filter had no detectable loss of performance, and no evidence of any dust on the post side of the filter in the airbox, it appears that empirical evidence is sufficient to say that it isn't necessary to change the filter at 16,000 (or have it flow tested... But you can change yours if you want!
Max great video!!!!!
Im thinking the money you saved every Goldwing owner for the cost of a needless air filter change, they should purchase your Tip Over Protection Kit!!!!! 👍👍
Good call! I like your thinking! Tell them about the "Super Thanks Button" where you can kick a few bucks into my invention bucket... :)
Thank you for your insight. It bolsters the general idea of most experienced GW owners that Honda’s recommendation for the air filter change is just that: a recommendation. Shame on Honda for burying the air filter in the heart of the bike.
Well said!
Very nice to see the real try about the airfilter I ask the last time olso about the valves check and coils may you can also film it. Thanks grts from belgium
You are welcome!
I am going to run mines to 75k before I change Thanks Max👍🏿💯
Good luck!
Awesome. No air filter change on my 2022 wing for at least 50k.
I would trust Max over any Honda tech. (Most of them came from MMI.)
Now you tell me. I’ve done it twice on my 40,000 mile 21 bagger. Well I’m thinking 100,000 for my next. Thanks Max!
You got it!
I agree with maybe pushing the miles out alot further but I've got the '07 with only 14k miles wiith the original factory filter still, I would think age itself requires more frequent changing vs just miles too. I feel gross with that thing still in there. I might change it next month just because 😅
I agree as long as you don't get a mouse building a nest in there,,,or ride in unusually dusty conditions......
Definitely... you know if you are riding your bike in adverse conditions. Then it is wise to change sooner.
I agree 50k minimal. I have a cheap boroscope that I go down into the air box every 5k just to check for rodent nest or large debris like leaves
Easy enough!
Trouble engineering on the air filter thank for the information on this filter will save me money.i heard next year there going to change the location of the air filter 2025 thank max
They will definitely never change the location of the air filter until they make a completely new bike.
good info, just to see a 76K air filter. while 16k is surely excessive, i would say that the cleanliness of the engine side of the air filter is not a good gauge. anything on that side is already in your engine.
The post side of the filter in the airbox itself is though, as it is coated in a fine mist of fuel residue that would definitely hold any dust... and I've never seen any.
Did chuck try to complete the 10 trueX again this year? How many miles does he have on the bike now?
I have not heard from him in some time. I have contacted him several times.
Hi there i s a vid on you tube where they are changing the air filter on
the last Goldwing model and they find a mouse has been in and trashed
the filter.
They are talking about putting a grill on the air intake duct to stop this.
????
I have seen this grill cover... you would have to be an idiot to put those on there while the MC is in use. I guess you could put them there for winter storage...
Well if I could find the actual intake area I would put a primary filter over that, then let the factory filter be secondary. Great video. I still need to do the steering and heli bar addition. The shaking at 40-50 mph is terrible
The only 2018+ Wings we have ever seen do that have a bad front tire.
Had the same shaking at the same ~speed, replaced the front tire due to wear, and the shaking completely went away... YMMV
@@MrMindlink my front tire was in excellent shape. It started with the previous tire. I removed the centric balancers I had and went back to balancing with beads. However the new tie bar really seems to make a difference. Steering is much tighter and predictable
@@Doc832 Copy all and good to know. If the shaking comes back, I will look into the tie-bar.
Recently i had my 20,000 km service which included the air filter change. Likely it was done as when they opened it a mouse had pulled in fabric in to build nest on top of filter through air intake. Have you seen this before or have a solution to prevent in future
There was a company that made grates for the intake on the 01-17 Wing for long term storage. You can't get to the snorkel on the new bike without disassembling it. Not sure how to stop the mouse thing! Maybe a borescope lots of people use... you would have to take the shelter off in the spring when you return to service and look in the air box.
Thanks for putting this video together. I’m not surprised at all as I have always seen similar results on previous bikes and cars. Max, did you ever get your cough checked by a doctor? All the Best, JH.
Many doctors... I have acid reflux and some mild asthma. It sucks.
@@Traxxion Max, sorry to read this, but glad you’ve seen some doctors. Hopefully, they’re helping your symptoms with some treatment. All the Best.
@@jameshales6958 Thank you.
Max your 100% right. However there are times like if the bike is driven in dry dusty areas all the time, like Saudi Arabia, the 16000 mile interval might be right would you agree?
Also when you look at the air filter position why didn't Honda either put a duct to the throttle bodies and place the air filter in a more convenient place, or fit a trap door system like a cabin filter type arrangement at the front of the bike, I've fitted a few previous 1800 goldwing filters and wondered why Honda have ver addressed this issue it makes the whole job expensive for the end user, I realise it's a premium product but not addressing this issue by fitting a service item where you have to strip the motorcycle down so much is a matter of common sence. Maybe they should have YOU involved in the next model as a consultant.
I agree completely... for harsh environments I would "more closely" follow the recommended interval.
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I would agree with you, only After I hear a response from Honda's engineer who was assigned to this design. My issue here is the warranty by Honda, either factory or extended. If something major goes wrong, and it can, how can you argue with mother Honda? I keep photos and videos of everything I do to this sweet thing. I don't want to fight the dealer or Honda for coverage. I did my filter, in my garage, at 17K. Yes, she was pretty clean and NO, it was not too bad to do. I took my time and it was done and on record. This bike cost me way too much to play with such claim. OOOOOOh and the filter is only around 50.00. I am good with that.
There is absolutely no way for Honda to know when your air filter was changed. As this video demonstrates, they all look the same.
In my 40+ years in the motorcycle business, I have never heard of one single Goldwing that had the rings, pistons, and cylinders wear out, regardless of mileage or maintenance provided by the owner, and never heard of anyone placing a warranty claim for a new engine.
Dirt just isn't getting past that filter. If it were, it would stuck all over the inside of the airbox, since it is always coated in a film of petroleum residue from the fuel.
@@Traxxion So, must be reason why Honda put in the manual 16K interval. It is pretty low interval, but why? Maybe the air flow/lungs is critical for that type of block? or, they had some challenges with the air duct work on this bike? Air restrictions?
@@alp3781 It sells service and parts. That's all. Just remember the filter in the War Horse had 76,000 miles on it, not a spec of dust in the airbox past the filter, and the top side looked exactly like any other filter I've ever seen at any other interval. He didn't loose any noticeable performance or fuel economy.
@@Traxxion Very helpful. Well, when I open my air box at 17K, not even one tinny dust in it. It was shinny like new and no oil residue as well.
@@alp3781 In order for a Goldwing to have a "warranty claim" where Honda questioned the frequency the filter was changed, it would come from one single possibility: An engine where so much dirt had gotten past the air filter that it ground down the piston rings to the point where the engine lost enough compression to start and run. That will never, ever, happen. Period.
Those filters are disgusting. Amazing that the one you opened still functions. I’ll be dead before my filter needs to be changed based on the miles I put on in a year.
Thanks Max.
thanks for the analysis... no way i'm going into that depth every 16k
Glad to help!
Would love to see the difference of the 16k and the 76k opened up
The 16K was the photo, I didn't have that filter.
Was it you asking for a heel toe shifter somewhere?
How would it affect your warranty by not changing this filter? If there is mileage latitude for exceeding the 16,000 Mi, what are it's limits?
Great as always Max, Good Rides.
Yes this is also my same very important question ! My gw 2021 needs a dealer intervention , because its over 24000km. I will ask him also this question here in Belgium.
It's against the law for an OEM to deny warranty because a dealer didn't perform all scheduled maintenance. You can just say it was changed every 16,000 by you. Looking at the 3 filters in the video, they all look the same. So who could tell? What if you lived on a gravel road in the country? They can't tell you how much mileage is on your filter.
Max the Great! Many Thanks, Good Rides.@@Traxxion
Max, Not changing your air filter, would that screw you're warranty with Honda?
Honda can't force you to have dealer performed maintenance to maintain the validity of your warranty. This video shows that no one could tell the mileage on a filter. You just need to tell them you changed it yourself.
Having said that... the only thing "warranty" related to the air filter would be worn out piston rings and cylinder bores. I have never heard of that on any Goldwing made since 1975.
Thanks Max!@@Traxxion
I have a scooe,use it to check my aircleaner,untill that thing is filthy it ain't coming out,by the way use factory airfilters and not k@n.you cant tell as easy.,put new one in at 36000 miles and it was like new.2003 1800.have 55,000 on now and scoped it looks like new.
There's almost no real reason to ever change it. You couldn't measure 1hp on a dyno.
If you would like a comaprison of new vs several filters of various milage, contact Project Farm. He may devise a neat test for this if you supply the filters. He does not accept sponsorships.
can you use all 5 tape guns at one time ? lol
(in war veteran voice) Hey Man... you haven't been in The Shit! You wouldn't know. When those boxes come creeping out of the woodwork you better be locked and loaded or you ain't gonna make it, Bro!
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You need to get the cough checked out it's been years you have it.😷
Been to so many doctors, so many tests. I have acid reflux and mild asthma. It sucks.
@@Traxxion hope you get better man
I think the only real test will be the air passage through the filter. When we say the filter is dirty it is not about the color or cleanness on the back. It is how much of the air passing capacity is lost. Nothing will happen to the engine if you do not replace the air filter at the 16K miles, but the fuel consumption will raise and the engine will be working on incorrect mixture that will affect the spark plugs and piston rings.
It is clear you don't have even a rudimentary understanding of how a modern motorcycle works. You should become more familiar with "fuel injection" which has been available on cars for 70 years and motorcycles for 30 years. The engine will never have an incorrect fuel mixture, and will always run exactly the same mixture at all temperatures and altitudes. Any restriction on the air filter due to dirt is inconsequential, and is far less of a factor than simply going up 5,000 feet in elevation.
The "War Horse" air filter had 76,000 miles on it, and it was driven in all temperatures, weather, and road conditions, including dirt and gravel. The owner noticed no loss of power or fuel economy.
If you have similar empirical data to present, please do.
@@Traxxion, yes, I am an old school and I might not have "rudimentary" knowledge of motorcycle injection systems, but the logic says it will be dependent on the input data for the CPU of the injection controller. If it gets the air resistance (or air amount passed) through the filter from a sensor, then a dirty filter should not affect the fuel consumption. I haven't seen that type of controller on the cars I have driven and the replacement of an old air filter did show a small difference in fuel consumption. For the bikes I do not have similar data as the Goldwing I bought last year is my first injected machine. My bike has now 90K and I am going to replace the filter and see what will happen. After that I will post my results. I hope you are right and I will not need to change my GL's filter for another time.
@@Traxxion In fact I do have some rudimentary understanding of fuel injection, but it was limited mostly to diesel and old cars that did not adjust the fuel mixture because they were very simple or mechanical. Your reply made me to do some research and yes, you are right, it does adjust the mixture in present systems, but the performance might diminish with dirty filters. So, should we drive till it comes to performance fall or change the filter before. I was also reading that there were times when the filter was sucked into the engine. From all my reading a question came up: if there are sensors that can measure air vacuum behind the filter (or air flaw), why not to have a warning light when that vacuum comes close to really dirty filter? I am still convinced that visual inspection can not tell you how bad the filter is clogged, because the dust is not black and you can not really see it unless there is too much of it. It seems more like gambling then science.
My man.... what's in your throat? Every single video, you clear hour throat like 50 times. Are you good?
I figured out I am allergic to some medication they had me on for reflux. It's gotten better. Recently in GA, we have our spring pollen season (now). While "BAD" pollen counts for humans is something like 400ppm, we have pollen counts in GA over 8000ppm each year! There is so much pollen it makes yellow clouds on the ground and you leave tire tracks in it like snow!
@@Traxxion I grew up in Bama. I remember washing my truck and it being yellow 10 minutes later lol.
"I am sure there are some old goldwingers that probably just jump of the bridge if the fuel economy drops by 2 miles " hahahaha