The Truth About Our Issues With McLaren [S3, E18]
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- This is it, our long awaited McLaren special. Tony and I talk through our experience with the brand, where it 'went wrong', what Mclaren can do to fix their issues and if we would ever buy McLarens again.
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01:50 - The Behind The Glass Patreon
06:20 - 2021 Geneva Motor Show Cancelled
08:00 - Our First Memories of McLaren
11:30 - The start of the McLaren journey
18:00 - The problems with my 540C
19:30 - Tony's problems with his 570S
22:30 - McLaren's electrical glitches
26:00 - McLaren's brand value
30:00 - McLaren's financial problems
34:00 - How do McLaren fix their issues?
41:00 - What We still love about McLaren
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You should make special episodes about every brand of cars from time to time!!
+ Great idea
Shmee talking about his experiences with Mclaren is something I’d like to hear
I want to know why he is banned from the brand actually? He hasn't had access to any new McLarens from McLaren for awhile now, even with the Senna crash he dealt with the one place, not McLaren ever. He wasn't invited to any events with the GT or the 765LT so clearly something happened with him and them. My personal suspicion, he tried to shake them down for money to promote the brand and they got pissed.
venom5809 Maybe he was invited, but couldn’t attend. I’m sure he looks at the stats of what interests his audience, maybe the McLaren GT isn’t it.
True guys but shmee is a yes man in general you barely hear him criticize anything, not a good opinion to listen to if you really consider buying a car
Just want to hop in on this discussion. Shmee's ownership experience hasn't been always great. Recently he showed in one of his videos he had rust on the paint of his 675LT, and he told he had to go back to get it fixed several times. He might be biased, but he does not lie about the issues his McLarens have had.
@@liberi567 Indeed, just because he had a bunch of McLarens in the last 10 years doesn't mean he's "biased", but I guess kids don't even know what that means. Unlike Sam here, who remained silent for all this time concerning the issues with his 540C for his own sake and interest, Tim never hid anything about the issues he had during his ownership, nor does he need to. The overheating with the 675LT Spider down in France, the paint issues you mentioned along with others were addressed or even commented by him in videos. As for those who commented above: Tim was doing the USA road trip when the 765LT launched. He was there in Woking at the private launch "party" for the 720S Spider and also the press reviews for it and the 600LT Spider. Tony should have remained silent in the end of this video instead of insinuating low key that there could be any compromise or bias from Tim's part, a bit of an hypocritical behavior from his part.
I'd been browsing CZcams saying to myself there's nothing to watch, then I refresh the page and this pops up. My morning is saved 💪
When Ron Dennis was basically forced to leave McLaren, I predicted that this will be the beginning of the end of McLaren. He certainly is a controversial figure and his perfectionism and rather unforgiving/ ruthless approach used to be quite famous in F1, yet he was both respected and feared for that - also as a businessman outside F1 btw. When it comes to their cars, he shaped the approach McLaren had when it came to their take on cars (techy, big on aero etc) and his philosophy led their school of thought. Brands such as McLaren need this type of guy. I just checked the chronology of events when McLaren s problems started to arise - it coincides with the time when they had the row with Ron Dennis- and ever since he was forced out, things started to go downwards by the same pace they changed their business philo (frequency of new models, quick buck over long lasting growth, less innovation and the problems piling up). It s noteworthy that ever since Ron Dennis started losing his influence and then was ousted, it was the time McLaren lost its way and issues came up at all fronts.
Build quality issues already existed under Ron Dennis, however the new guy, Mike Fuckwitt, has made everything far worse. There were signs of a bright future during Dennis' tenure, however Mike Fuckwitt has done his best to destroy any goodwill the brand had.
Kaiser Cronik to be clear, Mike F was CEO at the same time Ron was a shareholder of the group
@@mercury6765 that is correct, however it would appear Dennis kept him in check while he still was there.
well said !
I disagree because the majority of Mclaren’s current issues revolve around it’s awful dealer network and the service they provide to their customers. In the US dealer principals are literally walking away from franchises because it’s impossible to make money as a Mclaren dealership and although it’s something that has snowballed out of control it’s also something that I feel is out of Ron’s expertise and had he still been at the helm I don’t think he’d have done anything differently to resolve it ....I think he’d rather count tiles in the lobby to make sure there were an even number than to work on getting someone with real knowledge as far as how high end brands and dealership network properly work
I'm with Tony on this one tbh. How can a car be great if it never works, and you can never get to the right place to really use it because the minute you get close it stops working? That's objectively not a good car.
When it is working it’s a good car. The issues are flaws. Because the glitches don’t happen all the time, Tony just likes to embellish. They seem ok as long as you have a warranty and a spare fun daily. I agree with Sam
Because if you are a real car enthusiast then once you drive one you immediately realize it’s one of the greatest driving experiences you’ll ever have bar none, shame about the quality issues but doesn’t take away from fact it’s amazing road car
@@oscartejura4887 if that was really the case, Ferrari would have kept doing what they were doing instead of having to change their business model to produce more reliable cars when Honda introduced the NSX.
He termed it right: The IDEA is good. Not the actual car.
*I guess people at McLaren are starting to realize that the products they are making are DESTROYING this planet which in turn has an inevitable effect on morale. So hopefully the just continue to self sabotage at an increasingly higher speed until they're completely bankrupt and beyond saving. The FACT that they are effectively OWNED by a MILITARY DICTATORSHIP that oppresses women especially on an industrial scale of course also doesn't help.*
I Was one of the 3/10 that owned a McLaren 12c that had no issues. I owned it for two years. It’s still for sale at Aston Newcastle if someone wants a good example.
I also owned two Aston’s. I have a DB9 and Rapide S with no issues. I must be lucky.
Jumpinjackflash how many miles did you put on it
You must be one of the lucky ones...good luck with selling the 12C if its still for sale.....I will stick with buying Porsche cars
I feel that anyone that is planning to buy a McLaren needs to hear Tony’s story about getting locked in! That’s just crazy!
So basically they should option an axe to smash your way out if it catches on fire and the doors lock up...😉
Crazy right? Every car should come as standard with a manual door release from the inside - just dangerous.
kieran Blacker I’ve owned 2 McLarens and had them for 3 years and never had a single issue, many people I know with them too have also never experienced issues
Aaron Hussain it has an emergency release in the inside, I had the passenger door on my 570S not open and had to use it once but like just about every other Mclaren issue it was a one time thing and fixed itself
@@aaronhussain3873 The car Tony had did have a manual release, it didn't work. LOL
Would also like to hear about Tony’s views of Aston Martin...
Absolutely!
Aston Martin will be destroyed by the Mercedes GTR AMG sad but ture
There is a Podcast about that. He doesn’t like Aston Martin...
When Tony said "problems" and the tone of his voice changed I knew it was going to be bad, didn't think it was going to be locked in car, smash the window to get out bad. LOL. WTF McLaren 🤦♂️
There's something familiar about that title.... hmmmm....
Another interesting podcast gents
I've been watching STG videos since the very early days of the channel. But it was your McLaren video(s) that introduced me to yours (to which I've subscribed to btw). It's interesting to hear 'real world' views, and not those that just the manufacturer wants people to hear!
So this is why the CZcams algorithm gave me this video!
Pretty much sounds like the maintenance group you featured is the only way to own this car for people who can't do their own work. If McLaren worked with independent repair shops to make repairs easier, the resale value of these cars would go up because people wouldn't be so worried about them falling apart.
I know Geneva disappearing wont be bad for the media but for the rest of us, shows like these are sometimes our only opportunity to see some of these cars up close in person. My trip to Geneva in 2018 was my first time seeing a Pagani, Koenigsegg, and a Bugatti in the flesh so i really hope shows like Geneva dont disappear for good >.
I was supposed to go this year I really wanted to see the gemera in person 😭
@@jerronkumba8385 same -_- was meant to be at goodwood next week too >.
Fast forward to now, Geneva is dead
Loved that. Could listen to you guys chat for hours. A level of honesty you don’t get very often and Tony’s laugh every now & then. Perfect.
Absolutely love my 570S, I like it significantly more than any other super car i've owned or driven. Had it for a bit over a year and absolutely don't want to sell it. Yes some small issues and minor "quirks" (which you learn to deal with quite easily), overall so far more reliable than the two Porsche's (997 GT3 and Turbo) I owned previously for the same period and milage. Test drove the new Ferrari F8 and I would honestly not want to trade for one, the 570 is so much more communicative and integrated with the driver than anything else I've ever driven.
I feel what Sam was trying to say is that the driving experience is brilliant. The build quality, reliability and ownership experience is where it falls down.
Yes, but Tony has a point in that regard too: The lag is horrendous. It's not often addressed this open but they do have very big turbo lag.
Let’s see the Porsche special 😂 I want to hear Tony’s hour long rant about how great they are
I once went into the McLaren dealership in Glasgow (Hamilton) with a friend who wanted to test drive and was seriously considering a 570GT. We got completely ignored by the staff and then they shut us and our car in the dealership and went home while we were browsing the used stock. Luckily the guys at BMW next door managed to shift some of their cars and we drove through and out of their dealership. Worst dealership experience I’ve ever had and my friend bought a R8 V10 Plus.
I went into the same dealership and had a similar experience. I parked up and a salesman actually asked me to move my car because he wanted to park there, (it was a customer parking area i think) anyway who gets a customer to move for them. Totally opposite experience from Aston Martin dealerships where you are welcomed with open arms even if youre not buying.
Have to say guys that’s absolutely appalling experience you’ve had.
You sure you weren’t at Ferrari?
jameswillard1 Positive.
Snobbism.
Not that i can afford a McLaren currently but my experience and visiting a showroom to see them and being told that real clients come here and don't want me here looking at the cars turned me off the brand completely.
So awesome to see how you’re building. I remember when you just started it and had no true idea where you wanted to go with it. Save to say it has been a success. Love the dynamic with Tony and the natural conversations you guys have.
I worked at McLaren for 4months and left, because everyday we had a break down. Cars would come back hours after hand over, and we had cars there for weeks before even started work on them. We even had Shmee’s car in for a long period of time with multiple faults but it’s not something he like to talk about.
I’ve never experienced anything like it in over ten years in the motor trade.
" but it’s not something he like to talk about." And that's exactly what me as a potential owner/buyer of these cars keeping away from Shmee and such. They are influencers not reviewers.
I'm sorry the guys have had such a bad time with Mclaren. I've owned a 12C from new for 8 years now - my one and only supercar. I must be one of the 3 out of 10 who have been lucky enough not to have any serious problems. In 8 years and 30000 miles I've had a windscreen wiper motor fail and a sensor disconnect from the gearbox. I've used the car on track and as a GT with 4 major driving holidays through Europe and I've loved every minute of it. When Mclaren started they were only making the 12C so maybe they are better put together than the cars that followed. Who knows. All I can say is I feel privileged to own one and I still admire it today as much as the day I picked it up (7th July 2012).
I just think about Hoovy’s 12-C where it has more repair costs than the car was worth.
The day the guarantee ends the car is basically worthless. If McL goes bust, guarantess go bust and resale prices skydive.
Yeah but Hoovy is an idiot, he's never had a car that didn't have every possible problem under the sun. That's the drama queen's format.
You guys are a couple of planks. I don't watch podcasts but I religiously tune in weekly (when you can produce them) The chemistry between you is effing brilliant. Keep up the great work 👍👌
@@AmadeusPosavec0202 as a kiwi with british parents, I too was a little confused for a second there, so I wouldn't feel too bad!
I was confused with the first sentence. The word plank, when applied to humans is not really a positive one.
Don’t make things too fancy. I like this show because it’s simply two relatively energetic (@Carmudgeon lol) dudes talking about cars. No fancy stuff.
I'm confused. Are you claiming ze carmudgeons are low energy?Obviously Hyphen is a 95 year old but I usually think of discount Sandler as having a lot of excitement/zest.
At last. I've been looking forward to this.
Best thing about this podcast is Tony saying "yeah, yeah, yeah".
I will always be a bit disappointed that you didn't share the problems with your 540c when you owned it, even though I understand why you didn't
Its called being in a manufacturers pocket. As soon as all the discounts where pulled the knifes came out.
well I think at the time he did mention there ware a few issues. I think only looking back he realized how much crap it was since the selling experience also wasnt great at all.
@@dagnut discounts, I suspect there wasn't a dime of McLaren's money invested in Sam's purchase/repair price. Just different dealer attitude
@@Wouter-van-der-Molen repairs would have been covered under warranty? I'm not defending McLaren btw but if you think these guys didn't get significant discounts for promoting the brand you are very naive.
Love these videos guys. The main channel is brilliant also but the insights into the industry kindly given by Tony really make it a must watch for me, hence why I Tune in religiously for every episode. Brilliant guys. All the best. Conor.
Looking forward to the merch coming out! you should make a ringtone of Tony laughing, that would be a hit!
Love you guys! Thanks so much for all your hard work!!!
Watching this is the best thing of my entire Sunday. Sit back and relax
A great podcast, never thought I'd sit thru 50 mins but it flew past. Helps that you basically confirmed what I feared. You touched on the issue that I think is a major reason for the cars not holding their value, the fact that every car has the same basic tub and engine and they look very similar as well. Sooner or later the public are going to realise that they're being taken for a ride. The lack of quality control is mind blowing. How can you have body parts falling off a brand new car and I've seen other cars with appalling body panel fit. How does that even happen? Don't they have set fixing points and who they hell signs off on these cars? For the company to take an issue like being locked inside a car so lightly is frankly disgraceful especially with the history of fires, etc. What if someone's kid got locked in! For that reason alone this company DOES NOT deserve to succeed. Someone else here sums it up perfectly, Ron Dennis would never have allowed this. McLaren ditched a perfectionist and replaced him with a bunch of corporate arseholes whose only interest was maximising profit over a relatively short period so they could cash in on their bonuses.
The P1 GTR & the P1 are still my favorite recent McLaren cars. Hope they can bring something as stylish and exiting back in the future!
Great episode. Love the honesty.
I have just subscribed after viewing some of your "back catalogue" and am glad you and Tony have some serious talks;
more-so as he was making a prat of himself hanging around with those youtubers who's videos are more like QVC with the 'win a car' etc adverts.
I'm surprised you don't have more subs for this channel - I sincerely hope that changes in the near future.
I love this open and frank discussion - this is why I follow you on social media Sam and Tony. I agree that it would be great to observe you both have a discussion with Tim about is experience - it took forever for his Senna to be repaired!
Like how they recommend other motoring channels in the the description. Keep up the good work guys! 👍
Bangin'
fast uploads again WOOHOO
What McLaren need to do IMO is to do what Ferrari did. Get their QC together, slap a 7 year warranty on their cars and apply a generous retroactive warranty for the newish cars. Will cost them an absolute fortune probably but will hopefully get them back on track.
Ferraris dont have 7 years warranty its only 7 years free servicing.
Lamborghini has better QC than Ferrari.
Good to get some real talk. One of your best episodes - thanks!
Finally a new one.
Hope someone pics up the Geneva Motorshow so it continues in a way.
Next you should make a Alfa Romeo special.
Both of you have had one.
You had the 4C and Tony had a Giulia QV.
Keep up the good work.
Coming from a massive petrol head straight out of uni, I can safely say I’ve never heard of this mclaren problem other than salomondrin. Thanks for brining this to the attention of the general public guys! Maybe this will force them to speak out about it, this secret has been kept to a minority for too long in my opinion.
Great video guys and well done for being honest about all of the issues McLaren have. I think another element to the McLaren ownership problem is the fact that no one would dare to own one without a warranty, which significantly increases the annual ownership costs. This in turn means the typical 2nd or 3rd owner of this type of car won't touch one and the resale values will continue to fall. I honestly think we could see them at £50k and at that price people might take a punt on them and if they go wrong you literally write them off.
Such a shame as i love the concept of their cars
Take the F1 out of the equation and their brand image would be if not less than equivalent of TVR! The F1 still carries the Mclaren brand and image on its shoulders!!
Bruce from New Zealand started a racing team not a car company. There is no taking out the racing part.
@@blegi1245 I'm unsure but I read his comment as in the McLaren F1 road car from the 90s... and to some extent he's right I guess. It's a proper car. The P1 in my eyes also does it's fair share of carrying.
Please do something on jaguar. Would love to hear your thoughts. I have got an XE V6s and love it. Be great to hear what you think they should do to be great again
Love to listen to the podcasts. Hope you can keep it running.
This is actually crazy, really enjoyed listening to this especially Tony’s story with the car they lent him, crazy!
Hello one and all and welcome to behind the glARSE
Best podcast on CZcams look forward to tuning in every week keep up the good work
Really hope that Goodwood will still go on forever... It is such a unique place to be!
Shmee just had parts of his 675LT spider painted due to issues with the paint.
The only nice McLaren he had was the blue 675LT...the rest have been awfully specced and that Senna looks horrific..
Really good episode. Tony was far nicer about McLaren than I thought he was going to be.
I am on my second McLaren and couldn't be happier - so many people with an agenda want to hit McLaren -funny how no one wants to talk about all the problems Ferrari and Lamborghini owners have had over the years!
When you think about how long mclaren as a car company have been operating and how long the others have been going for it’s like give them a chance. Plus the customs want their cars yesterday putting pressure on them to nock these things out. Plus they are on their own. They can’t rely on vw group for the sat nav software & other stuff. 🙄
On my first (720s), with over 2500 miles on it so far, and absolutely loving it. I've driven a few other cars (Lamborghini Murcielago, Ferrari 488 GTS, 488 GTB, and Porsche GT3), and can say that the 720s is clearly one notch above them all.
At the risk of being controversial what really annoys me is that these exact same bloggers all rushed out and bought Maccas, raved on manically about their virtues, squealed like a girl when driving them, happily enjoyed cheap finance deals in order to acquire them and indeed encouraged us all to also buy them... but as soon as they finished their wank videos flogged theirs and now are slagging them off. Feckin hypocrisy of click baiters. Still loving my 570 spider
Good point. The guy said ‘when I’d just spent £130,000 on a car’. Nope, the finance company owns the car, you are effectively leasing it until the bubble payment, which nobody ever pays.
GREAT TO HEAR ABOUT THE MCLAREN OWNERSHIP EXPERIENCE FROM THOSE WHO ACTUALLY HAVE EXPERIENCE!
Good job both
Great podcast helped me through work 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 please can you do a video on Tony’s BMW 1M please Sam and a BMW special podcast with tony
Really enjoyed this episode keep it up lads 👍
I have a 2012 Mclaren MP4-12C, I had it about 4years now. I've had cars from an AC 427 Cobra to a Porshe 935, that I traded in to buy my Mclaren MP4-12C. In my opinion, the Mclaren is by FAR and AWAY, in looks, it's really the most beautiful car I've ever seen and the FASTEST. I have to admit, that because there are very few shops that know how to service that car, that the Mclaren Dealer loves to see me drive in my car for the yearly service, very expensive. I've had no serious problems with it, and it never left me stranded. If I could choose only one car to own, it would be my 1983 Porsche 944 just because it's a sports car that I can use as a station wagon. The hatchback makes that car worthwhile. But for JUST the most exciting, great looking car, which you 'guys' call soulless, I would say that my car the Mclaren is the BEST car in the world. Really.
These podcasts help expand my knowledge. Since I can’t drive yet because of COVID I can’t experience some cars for myself.
This is hilarious, the ‘locked in the car’ story is straight out of the late 90’s TVR handbook!
We love British cars and go on about ‘best of British’ etc, but if they go wrong at all, we push them out of business.
My TVR is the least reliable car I have, but it will be the last to go, because it’s a hand-built British car with way more character than anything German!
Hi Tony and Sam ( or is it Sam n Tony)! Great content as always and look forward to the podcasts each week from you (both) I watch them on CZcams. I enjoy the weekly content very much so keep up the great work 👍 Interested to hear about Aston Martin, (as another british(ish) brand) and why you feel these are so bad. Would Tim Shmee be as open about his McLaren experiences, I’m not so sure. Glad lockdown has eased so you both can continue getting out n about and keeping your ventures thriving. Keep up the great content guys, look forwards to next weeks episode. 👍👍
YES I've been waiting for this! As a broke boy it's hard to understand why Mclaren gets hate but after seeing countless stories of shitty reliability AND terrible service from certain dealerships... yeah it's pretty clear why
One of the best episodes. thank you
Man as a McLaren fan it's painful to listen to this podcast! Please McLaren get it together.
"I'm a machine ain't I" - that needs to be on a T shirt under tony's face. Merch gold IMO.
Still wondering if you could do a “tuning” episode, discussing if it make sense, costs, does it increase car value.......
Best episode yet. McLaren needs to reorganize and restructure the brand
For years the trip to Geneva was a fixed item on my agenda. It was the place where all the industry honchos got together and chatted, often over lunch at Alpina, and looked over some of the specialists like Ruf. One day I was there when they were still setting up and I sat in the Pininfarina W-12 Nardo protype, looking down the aisle and the entrance doors were open. The car smelt of oil and sweat, not only were the keys in it, but the ignition worked . . . at this point a lovely Italian bloke asked me, ever so politely, to get out . . . if only I had noticed the car was live earlier ;-[]
Haven’t supported anyone on patreon before. But you are doing a cracking job chabs. So I’m in
Sam !! . . My girlfriend waved at you on rhe A3 towards London at New Malden, a few years back, you were in your khaki green wrapped Mclaren 540, you waved back politely but looked bemused, she was in an AA DRIVING SCHOOL Fiesta !! . . Great channel, great content !!
Love *love* LOVE that you guys speak honestly about car brands - very few people on social media do that! It's essentially you, and The Car Guys, from what I can see. I wish "car influencers" in general realised that the relentless fake positivity is a real turn-off. Even when they're trying to make negative points, most car CZcamsrs are super fake about it e.g. "One thing I have to say I really hate about this car is... it's just TOO GOOD! And I want to emphasise that I'm not being negative about the brand in this video - I love this brand!"
What puts me off about McLaren, aside from all the points you mentioned, is that the company is so thin-skinned and petty-minded. That Sam wouldn't be invited to press events because he's been critical of the company is beyond weak; and the fact they block customers who criticise them on social media is truly pathetic. It's laughable really. If the company can't cope with a bit of criticism, they can't cope with anything. IMO, they'll be out of business before long unless someone with deep pockets buys them, and sorts the company out.
Love this podcast!
40:41: I don't understand Sam's position. You can't say that Mclarens are "good" cars, if the ownership experience, faults and everything in between is crap. It's a part of the package.
Mysterious Laptop it’s a bit of an oxymoron on his part.
Love your podcast guys. Hope to see both of you on Nurburg.
Really interesting to watch this as I was considering getting a 570s but think as I need something more reliable I will go the R8 route.
Why didn’t you tape the window and tap the corner with a spark plug or use a centre punch?
Probably didn't have tape and a centre punch in his pockets when locked inside the car.
Really enjoy this podcast!
just look at their glass door reviews it shows that these issues stem from management issues in the business which causes shody work. a far deeper problem than just dodgy cars
Straight after watching your podcast I put Mischa's video of a lap in a Senna. In the first minute of the video the car struggled to go into race mode and threw up a parking system fault. It doesnt even have a parking system!
Should've gotten JayEmm for this
I'd love to see him and Shmee added to this discussion!
At least you can’t do your little excitement shuffle sat down 😂😉
Tony saving us money, as always thank you
I am enjoying every single minute!
It starts at 8:00
As always, great entertainment 👏🏼 and defo think a series on all brands would be ace! Personally I’d still have one if I had the money, just like playing the lottery “gotta be in it to win it” you might get lucky and have a working rocket ship
Thanks for the content - Porsche fan from Canada 🇨🇦
Jayemm on cars has done videos on Mclaren. Its very informative.
I’ve had a 570GT and currently own a 720S. Aside from a couple of issues with trim pieces that needed to be reattached and some software bugs that resolve themselves when restarting the cars (or rebooting the Iris system), they’ve been mechanically solid for me. In terms of performance, both cars have been great, but the 720S in particular is amazing. It’s insanely fast, it’s super comfortable, and the handling feel is much better than modern super cars with electric steering. I’d wouldn’t be concerned buying another one.
why do the windscreens keep cracking VV has had his 600LT's replaced twice also if you watch Tavarish's 675LT video the panels are basically glued on.
Really enjoy you and tony with your chats. Sam is that a can of Trip on the table?
Great, honest discussion. Thanks
I think that you guys Gould talk to Thorney Motorsports in brackley. They sell their own 3rd party warranty for McLarens and I feel like it would be good hearing from a different perspective
I just bought one and then you do this pod cast 😱😱😱 I am finding it amazing at the moment but time will tell
Tony is the kind of mate every one needs :). .........
I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on the DBX and whether it can turn around Aston’s fortunes..?
As I understand it the electrical glitches in McLarens road cars appear to be caused by the lithium battery not being fully (and I mean fully) charged (at least that's what I've read on the few owners forums out there from 'keeper' owners.
Since 90% of issues spoken about tend to err on the electrical side keeping the battery topped up would fix 90% of issues (Key not found, flat battery etc. Not sure what to do about the engine blowing up but then that appears to be only when driven incredibly hard around a track.
An equally good watch is the 5,000,000 miles in a McLaren video by Thorney Motorsport whom specialise in running and repairing these cars. They have hard evidence that long term ownership is nowhere near as bad as you're led to believe by people whom are privileged to be able to jump in and out of a new car every few months or weeks if they're journos or super rich.
One thing that's agreed on by everyone is the lack of support from the dealerships and/or head office around these issues that is really letting the brand down and they will certainly fold if they don't get their act together.
However, their attitude toward customers is systematic across a market that is only interested in taking your money from you. I owned my BMW for 2 years and had a failed injector strand me on my driveway for a week while I wondered why the car wouldn't start. BMW wanted to charge me £1800 to change all 6 injectors.
Long story short I 'obtained' their software online which told me exactly which injector was failing. I replaced it myself saving £1600. That was back in 2014.
That diagnostic software started me on a journey and my car hasn't seen a BMW garage ever since, for anything outside of wear and tear items. It has been tuned to over 500 dynoed horse power at the wheels running for the past 20000 miles (over 400bhp for the previous 30000) and runs better than the day I bought it off of them.
If you're not afraid of doing your own maintenance, are planning to keep the car and can afford the £80,000 - £100,000 on a supercar which, as it turns out is pretty maintenance friendly and once cost north of 200,000 you should be snapping these up.
I'm not a McLaren fan boy and didn't even consider buying one until very recently while looking for my dream car which was and still is a Porsche 911 turbo. I heard about McLaren prices bombing and started investigating, thoroughly.
I'm pretty sure that the Porsche can wait for now :)
I've had 4: 650 Spider, 570s, 720 Spider and now 600LT. I've had problem with one car but was quickly made happy by the dealer/McLaren. The bigger concern to me is of depreciation which probably arises from overproduction and rapid release of new models. I am sure McLaren is aware that long term value of the brand is tied to value retention of late model cars on the used market. If there are 100 720s models for sale at any one time and they aren't selling for 6-8 months, that is a problem when trying to sell new ones. I've had mulitple models and iterations of all the others Lambo, Ferrari, Aston, Porshe, Audi, etc and can honesty say that when a McLaren is running right, the driving experience is better than all of them. Every drive reinforces the engineering quality and legacy of the brand. Thanks for the video. Very enjoyable to hear other opinions.
Best episode yet!!
McLaren needs someone like Ron Dennis to run the company again. They also need real model separation and each model needs its own character.
Another great show fellas 👏👏
Tony travelling the country selling whips, does he do a line in leather masks and undies as well 😂
Hahaha very good
Seriously, the only point for those sound effects buttons on the interface is to record variants of Tony's laugh for the episodes when he's not around! :D
Tony is on point - a car priced at 250k that may not start is not a good car, simples. Everything else is just noise until they sort out the most basic requirements of a car.
Interesting topic!! Lets watch it#!