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- Texas was once a fully independent country, and a growing number of Texans are hoping their state will become independent again - a movement known as "Texit." Indpendence advocates argue that secession would not just be fully legal, but a huge economic benefit to the people of Texas.
Notes, corrections (if needed), and sources are in the pinned comment.
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Music: V. V. Campos / A Burning Flame - courtesy of Epidemic Sound
Chapters
Could the Republic of Texas rise again? 00:00
The first Republic of Texas 00:36
Rick McClaren and the "Republic of Texas" movement 01:13
Rise of the Texas Nationalist Movement 01:33
Daniel Miller's book "Texit" 02:11
What Brexit can tell us about Texit 03:20
How the US would treat Texas after Texit 03:57
Texas' trouble with tariffs 04:33
Why Texas should not leave the Union 05:06
#texas #texit
NOTES AND SOURCES
When I made my video about independence movements in the US (czcams.com/video/jeEB4JYv5AE/video.html), I discounted the Texas Nationalist Movement as a legitimate, grassroots organization when I read that a TNM representative had attended the Kremlin-sponsored event for independence movements in Moscow in 2016 (abcnews.go.com/International/texas-california-separatists-attend-pro-kremlin-conference/). While I now think attending that event was a serious PR misjudgment, I no longer think this should disqualify the TNM from discussions. This video is meant to address this change in my thinking. While I don't support the TNM or its goals, it's my understanding that it is advocating for peaceful political change.
The most important source used to make the video is Daniel Miller's book Texit.
Other sources include:
Overview of Texas independence movement: www.courthousenews.com/inside-the-movement-for-texas-independence/
Republic of Texas movement history: www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/out-there/
Texas Independence Referendum Bill, 2023: capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/88R/billtext/pdf/HB03596I.pdf
Texas GOP platform calls for independence referendum: www.politifact.com/article/2022/jun/27/texas-republicans-want-vote-texas-independence-can/
Texas GOP won’t allow independence vote in primary election: www.expressnews.com/news/texas/article/texit-activists-threaten-lawsuit-against-state-gop-18577064.php
2022 Texas Republican Party Platform: Texas GOP platform: texasgop.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2022-RPT-Platform.pdf
Bloomberg article on cost of Brexit: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-31/brexit-is-costing-the-uk-100-billion-a-year-in-lost-output
Exports by US state in 2022: www.statista.com/statistics/258728/volume-of-us-exports-of-trade-goods-in-by-state/
I remember the event in Russia. It wasn’t all that bad. Daniel Miller in a recent Late night coffee talk went into detail. The media spun it in a negative light. The event itself was not organized well and TNM did due diligence before going. But one can never know until you actually get there. I support the TNM both as a volunteer and donating money. I read the Texit book. I believe it is right to have the vote and a union that is not voluntary is not a union. Matt Rinaldi of the RPT didn’t follow the Texas election code 172. However, we should not need to ask for a Texit proposition on primary ballot. It should already appear every four years without a big ordeal. (It’s a non binding opinion poll. There should be no issues with putting that on the ballot. It costs no extra money).
you are predictable and it's so funny. when it's an independent movement in a non western country, you are so all for it without explanation on the disadvantages to both qualities of life, economy, war etc but when it's a western or western friendly country I'm not even surprised you are all against it. 😂😂😂I'm waiting for your unbiased video on western friendly isreal and their Palestine occupation.
@@edwardsnowden8821 I don't know why presenting a consistent argument is funny to you. You should try it!
As I've explained in multiple videos, independnece poses huge economic risk for any country. The only time it should be contemplated, in my opinion, is when the risk of not breaking away has grown too large. For example, if a state engages in genocide against a minority within its borders, I think there's a potential justification for secession. Even then, I don't think the calculation should be automatic.
Regarding "Texit," rather than argue that the economic hit secession would create is worth the price, its proponents argue it would be a huge benefit to the economy. To me, this flies in the face of reality and undermines their position. That is really the only criticism I've levelled in this video.
Regarding some of the national movements from within Russia I've covered, I have seen these switch from wanting better protection from Moscow to wanting to escape Moscow's control. Since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, I think there is a growing case to be made that the economic risks of independence might be worth escaping an increasingly oppressive regime - I've also tried to document some of these movements and explain their case. If their case was primarly that independence would create an economic utopia like the one Texit's proponents describe, I suspect I would be very skeptical.
Whether a group has a good case or not, I don't think it is wrong for them to advocate for peaceful political change. The Texas National Movement is allowed to do without interferenece in the US. It is a shame that Russia, China, and many other countries do not extend the same rights to their citizens.
I suspect where you and I would most disagree is not so much about whether independence is good or bad, but whether or not some regimes are oppressive enough to tip the balance to make independence a good idea.
@@FredoRockwell I've seen your video on the Russian separatists living in the west. just a glance at their location in the center of Russia and their mixed population makeup would tell anyone not looking at these movements through a western imperialist lense that the separatists are delusional and not practical in the least. your inner Mongolia video is even the most ludicrous with you advocating "inner Mongolia" ethnic mongol separatism, (which apart from some western based fringe movements does not exist at All) not minding if that is even possible without a massive genocide of the native han, hui and manchus living in that province and that Mongolia the country is a poverty striken country that realistically relies on China and Russia for its very survival. A western equivalent will be advocating for ethnic Spanish speakers gaining independence in Texas, Oklahoma, California etc and then proceeding to kick out the majority white Americans and join poorer Mexico. Anyone watching your videos sees a clear bias hence why I know someone like you would be in full support of Kosovo, using arguments like genocide and what not, while in the same breath be against Palestine, abkhazai and north Cyprus. There is just one Consistent thing in your videos and it's this, if it's in the perceived interest of the west then it's legitimate or at least it should be, all consequences be damned Eg Inner Mongolia, Turkic Russians, Kosovo, Taiwan, South vietnam, Turkic Chinese, Tibetan Chinese, Muslim Russians. if it's against the Perceived interest of the west and its Allies then it's illegitimate even when genocide or repression was going on all consequences be damned Eg Palestine under apartheid isreal, North Cyprus, Kashmir, Khalistan, Hawaii, Texas, Abkhazai, South Ossetia, Transnistria, Chagos islands, Riyukku, Western Sahara etc.
@@FredoRockwell your ideology boils down to. western interest benefits=moral and legitimate. western interest suffers= immoral and illegitimate, as you give time to explain why it's so and how they should stay with western interest and benefit. someone like you would be against kicking out the Jewish illegal settler's from the West Bank, White settler's in Texas, Oklahoma, California, Hawaii, Chagos etc while you would without thinking advocate independence in a perceived enemy of the west knowing full well the genocide of other ethnicities that would happen, all the while judging from your high horse. this is the reason I feel I and many people don't take you seriously.
Viva Texas!
Texas has the most oil in the United States, but it was taken away by the central government. #texit !
texas independence❤
1. It is literally impossible for states to succeed. They’re in the United States for eternity.
2. Texas is one of the least self-sufficient states in the Union.
3. A fuckton of their population would flee to the U.S. and their economy would collapse.
4. Without the federal government, the state would quickly go through its resources and pollute its aquifers. All it would take is one major ice storm and ERCOT goes down for good.
Damn, can’t believe you really like destroying your land like this..
No
#TEXIT !!!!!!
Texas has the most oil in the United States, but it was taken away by the central government. #texit !
Texas should and will be patient, as soon as America collapses we can do our own thing. #texit #statesrights.
I guess in theory American must collapse some day, but the idea that this collapse is coming soon sounds a bit far-fetched. If you want it to happen, I'm sure there are lots of things you could point to as proof. But I can assure you, people have been pointing to things and claiming it is a sign of America's coming collapse for much longer than either of us has been alive.
@@FredoRockwellit's gonna collapse soon lol the United States already hit the debt ceiling plus if another global war begins which it will that will pretty much collapse the United States Texas is better off its own nation so even if the US tried to economically hurt Texas all Texas would have to do is back their currency by gold and silver which in turn would hurt the US economy because the US dollar is backed by anything
0:42 you forgot to add that Mexico offered land if they follow certain rules, then European Americans stayed and came illegally to Texas.
Not so much "forgot," but removed. In earlier drafts my script had a lot more detail about Mexican Texas, including the number of illegal immigrants from the US. I ended up taking these facts out in order to have more time to talk about the current indepenence movement since that was the real focus of the video. But I do think the context you mention is important. It was a difficult decision, but I think if I'd left it in it would have had to have been a 6 minute guide!
Thanks for your comment. I'm glad to hear other people know about this!
Then we'd have to add that Texas only seceded after the Mexican government overturned the 1824 constitution under which those rules were agreed to, and then installed an autocracy.
No one is alive from 1845 who voted to join the union. It’s time to vote again.
One of the serious drawbacks about referendums is they don't generally offer do-overs. Something like 20% of the voters from the UK's Brexit Referendum in 2016 are already dead - which means if it referendum was run again Brexit could easily lose (as Brexit voters tended to be older). There's no prospect of another vote on EU membership, however.
TEXIT 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Using the UK as an example is such a crazy fallacy. The UK has virtually 0 natural resources and produces almost nothing. Texas could impose taxes, not the other way round. When you have thousands of miles of coast, oil reserves, and billions of acres of land for agriculture you will do more than simply survive.
Thanks for your comment. The person who introduced a comparison between Brexit and Texit is Daniel Miller. If you don't like the comparison, take it up with him. The UK is, nevertheless, the sixth largest economy in the world, and was already a sovereign nation before Brexit - and yet is suffering because of that choice. Canada is also a country in North America that is rich in natural resources - richer even than Texas perhaps, and has an economy slightly larger than an independent Texas' would theoretically be. And yet, in trade talks, Canada is totally subservient to US trade policy. If you followed Trump's sudden decision to renegotiate NAFTA from the Canadian media perspective you would have been shocked at how quickly Trudeau's government leaped to do whatever US Trade officials said. That would be the future of Texas - just a third medium-sized economy in the shadow of the world's largest economy, taking orders from Washington, but no longer with representation in Washington.
It’s not ok to prevent the vote. Time to vote. No more IRS is fine by me.
As far as I know, the main institution that has prevented the Texit referendum so far is the Texas House of Representatives. If you are unhappy with this democratically elected legislature, don't you worry about giving it more substantially more power over your life? Texit will make the Texas Legislature MUCH more powerful than it is today.
I'm Gaúcho, my contry Rio Grande do Sul exist Between 1935-1945, We are called the "south american cowboys".
I hope see one day my Rio Grande do Sul and Texas independent again!
Thanks to alerting me to this! Is there an independence movement today for the Rio Grande do Sul?
I will fight for Texas.
why
@@coolboysocool1 because i hate this satanic empire 🇺🇸
on which side?
@@park1776 the Texas nationalist side
Good video. Thank you for taking about the likely economic outcome from this scenario. As a Texan in my 20’s I would not expect any economic benefit. But I am still supportive of the movement primarily as a form a cultural protection. Over my life my home has changed drastically and the Americans who have moved here over the past decade are not the same as the Americans from the previous decade. Many of them no longer respect my home or people. Litter has suddenly become prevalent despite a decade ago it was a rare sight. I have seen and experienced open hostility towards Texans and our culture by people have moved here. I do not really care if I am better off economically. I just don’t want our culture to be overwhelmed, fractured, and destroyed. It is the only thing that unites all Texans under this name
Thanks for the comment. How would becoming independent protect Texas' culture?
@@FredoRockwell throttling the mass influx from other American subcultures with addition of Texas likely moving towards stricter immigration laws if such were to happen.
@@myes6916 If Texas were to become independent, so many Texans would flee. The ‘culture’ would die anyway.
How about long term implications? Could it be beneficial in long term?
I agree that economic argument might not make sense, but I believe there are more arguments from proponents of texit. Would like to hear those too
It's possible there could be some long-term benefits, but there are a lot of uncertainties and other short-term problems I didn't cover in the video. For example, even according to the Texit book, Texas' constitution would have to be overhauled to make it workable for a national government. What would the constitution actually be like? That's a big can of worms that will lead to a lot of uncertainty, and uncertainty is one of the worst things for promoting investment and business growth.
I don't doubt it's possible to construct scenarios where Texas did, eventually, substantially benefit from Texit in the long run - I just think it's far from certain or even unlikely. And if it takes a generation or more for Texas to possibly (but not definitely) benefit from independence, is that something that today's voters would really want?
Texas has the most oil in the United States, but it was taken away by the central government. #texit !
Nobody believes that the immediate years afterwards would immediately lead to massive economic gains right off the bat.
Thanks for your comment. The Texit book I used to make the video doesn't contain any specific dates about when the benefits of Texit would take place - just that they would be HUGE. A few sentences after the bit where it predicts take home pay to increase by 400%, Miller writes, "Texas can experience double-digit economic growth as the lack of an income tax turns Texas into an international haven for wealth and foreign investment. All of this economic activity results in an increase in government revenue, leading to better schools, improved infrastructure, and additional tax breaks."
Like I say, there's no specific timeline, but it's my impression that these gains are meant to be for the reader - not the next generation or two. If he's not saying there would be massive economic gains right off the bat, he is definitely arguing the gains would be MASSIVE and would be coming pretty soon.
@@FredoRockwell this is true too.
Another thing people often seem to ignore, especially with Texas, is that it joined as a fully recognized and sovereign state. I don't know if he talks about that in his book since I haven't been able to read it yet, but he talks about in some of his videos
I'm an Englishman. I have visited Texas.
I have Texan friends. I love Texas.
Texas should be its own sovereign country.
Thanks for watching and commenting. What brings you to this conclusion?
Texas independence is also a huge source of "what-about-ism" arguments by people online.
"East Turkestan and Tibet should be allowed to have independence."
"WELL THEN GIVE TEXAS INDEPENDENCE FIRST!!!1!"
That's usually how these arguments tend to go.
You've identified one of the reasons I wanted to make this video. I think Texas Independence is worth considering, but it's started purpose is to make a place that's already free and prosperous more free and prosperous. Meanwhile, the people of East Turkestan and Tibet are living through genocide. The two don't compare, but in order to compare them you first need to examine them. 👍
True!
@@FredoRockwell well then keep up the great work! There's reason behind the existence of many Separatist movements, but not all are equal in their necessity!
But the Chinese government wouldn’t grant independence to Texas wtf is wrong with these idiots?
You may want to edit your title you've got a typo. I enjoyed your clear, concise, and unbiased description of the movement and the history in the first half of this. Although, the title of your video implies this to be the full content of the video, when in reality you spend the second half making your argument against the movement. I take no issue with your arguments here, but a more accurate title would benefit your content.
Thanks for alerting me to the typo!
I do state a personal opinion at the very close of the video, but the second half is focused on the plan for secession as set out in the book Texit. It contains statements that are simply not true, and makes an economic case for independence that defies reality. I do point that out, but this isn't arguing against independence - merely pointing out that the main group calling for this is making a bad argument.
Independence for any new country puts any ecnomy at risk. Most new states in the last 40 years have emerged from dictatorships with terrible economies, so the relative cost is smaller and the risk arguably worth taking. Claiming that Texit will make people in Texas rich is not a sustainable argument. I think it would be irresponsible to not point this out.
I think texas should stay in the us but the federal government should stop controlling parts of land from texas and other states and let texas do their own thing while still being in the USA
If you're referring to the large areas of federally controlled land west of the Mississippi, I think you've brought up an important issue. I don't think that's a huge problem in Texas, but it is an issue in New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, etc. Nevada is something like 95% controlled by the federal governement! It makes it hard for the state governments to fully govern their states.
It would be easy to fix border problems: Border are in charge of Federal Forces and laws, ok... no more Fed taxes until they do their tasks... paying Federal taxes is paying for something you dont get... so why doing it???
Not paying federal taxes (or state or local taxes for that matter) isn't voluntary or transactional. I can see how it might seem like it should be, but it's not. Eventually, federal agents would arrest anyone who refuses to pay what they legally owe - regardless of their justification.
Can you do a video about Patagonia independence
That's a new one to me, but I'll look into it. Is there an organization you're aware of I should contact?
@@FredoRockwellI personally don't know many things about this separatist movements.Patagonia is a region extending towards territories of countries like chile and argentina
Nice explanation!, didn't knew they also facing (Maybe i guess) the similar situation here in Southeast Asia I'm from the State of Sarawak, and here in Malaysia, we too have our own separatist movement called "Sarexit" group of Separatists movement who's plan to quit from the federation, we once a independent Kingdom before Malaysia, is a little facts by the way, you can explain or make video about it whether you like it or not, is up to you if you don't want it that's fine, i don't mind at all, but if you have a time to make it, i would be appreciated, but i really hope you'll do it lol, i'm not spreading the hate or any topics that against the peaceful community, i was just give an Idea to educated others to learn, understanding and spreading awareness about the history so please mark and keep that in mind! Also have a nice day sir! You have received another subs from me!
Watching and greeting from Sarawak!🍻
I would definitely like to make a video about Sarawak! I'll put it on my list. Thank you!
Hi, I'm from Komi (Ukhta, the second largest city in the republic). I would like to see a video about the independence of Komi and Ingria. I myself am not a supporter of their separation, but I would be interested to know what the other side thinks about it.
There is a video on Komi Separatism on his channel, but it's not part of this current series. Have you watched it yet?
Hello! Thanks for your comment and for joining the Discord server! I would love to make a video about Komi, and will hope to do it before long. I have made a video about a dissident from Komi, Aleksei Ivanov, and in that video I covered the protests that arose when the Kremlin tried to create a major garbage dump for Moscow on Komi's border. At the time, Aleksei gave me the impression that there was not an organized independence movement for Komi, but if there is one then I'd love to know about it. Thanks again!
@@FredoRockwell I agree, there is probably no movement seeking separation from Russia, but there are some supporters, such as Komi Daily, which is a decolonial media.
I have not heard much about the Ingrian independence movement, but I know that there may be various small organizations seeking to separate it. Although her chances of gaining independence are low.
@@EpicgamerwinXD6669 I watched it, but there is not enough video from the series as a generalization about Komi
@@senkhatrf true, there will certainly be 5 minute guide in the future. I was just making sure you had seen the video he already made.
Why be the Lone Star State when you can be the Lone Star REPUBLIC?
One is one of the most influential parts of the world's most economically successful and influential countries. The other is just another middle-tier country in North America that will have to curry favour with the US to avoid economic disaster.
@@FredoRockwellWell said! 😂
Wasn't there a Supreme Court decision on this already?
If you're referring to Texas v White, from 1869, this is cited by people who argue that secession is illegal. It wasn't a case about the legality of secession directly, though. In any case, SCOTUS rulings are only meaningful until SCOUTS decides to overturn them (as has been recently demonstrated). As it is with every with country in the world, secession in the US is really a political issue, not a legal one.
SCOTUS backed the illegal invasion. They have long forfeited their rights as deciders of the constitution
Can you make California and other US movement
I will - but I did made a single video that talks about California, Hawaii, New England, and others. Check it out!
@@FredoRockwell thanks for the reply
@@FredoRockwell also I know abaut this video I think is first video I saw in this Chanel
Texas becoming independent would make USA less American.
It would certainly change things, but "American" culture already includes the USA and most of Canada (according to JJ McCulloch at least). That wouldn't change so much.
To assume that would be somewhat wrong, Texas has a somewhat particular culture, influenced by Mexico and with American values...United States without Texas is still the United States
good, the feds hate the constitution anyways. the only america left is texas and some smaller red and blue states
It cant happen anyway. White in 1869 that no state can unilaterally leave the Union. Secession would require a US Constitutional amendment approved by two-thirds majorities in the US House of Representatives and Senate, then ratification by 38 state legislatures.
Thanks for your comment. Do you think it's possible that, given enough support for the cause, SCOTUS could overturn White? I've always thought the biggest barrier to secession is a popular consensus, not the law. I don't mean this for just the US - there are countries where secession is guaranteed in the constitution but in reality it can't happen because of the state of domestic politics. I hope we never find out, but if the overwhelming majority of Texans (not just the 51% the TNM is aiming for) want independence for a sustained period, a political solution would arise.
Texas annexed the U.S. in 1845 by treaty of equals. A provision was U.S. assume protection of Texas border, it has failed, and breached contract. Texas could sue or secede
The current border crisis isn’t the first, it actually never stopped since the U.S. annexed. ( However, At least one president had cojones to send Pershing after Pancho Villa, and Ronald McKenzie after a 30 year war corralled the Comanches)
Texas by the annexation treaty can divide itself into 5 states…which would mean 10 likely Republican senators..or maybe 9 with Beto O’Rourke a token DEI contribution.
Economics. Texas federal taxes about equals its Federal revenue..about a wash. However Federal money comes with Federal rules so a split benefits Texas. On the trade front, if the Feds imposed tariffs, Texas could impose strict bank privacy laws (Switzerland) and become a tax haven. It would suck money out of the U.S. faster than Biden completes a coherent sentence.
Texas also has the oil/petro chemicals weapon…the tariffed U.S. goods are made of Texas sourced materials. Industry?…Texas has car plants, electronics, steel, aircraft, cement, agriculture, our own power grid……. (I doubt our UK host has traveled Texas widely). And who knows, Oklahoma, and Louisiana may come with us removing 70% of U.S. oil and gas. Moreover China would leap at helping Texas.
This said, I think Texit at this time is unwise. The wise move is the Federal government perform its constitutional duty. This may come to a SCOTUS decision whether Texas is being ‘invaded’.
In the longer term, the U.S. needs to come to its senses as progressive nonsense is political poison here. Cheers
Not so sure. The secession issue was decided by force. The Constitution is silent on secession. Where the Constitution is silent, the Feds may not tread (10th amendment). But the 10th never stopped Federal overreach.
Texas joined by treaty..essentially a contract..and both parties have to perform. Failure to perform voids the contract. This sets Texas apart from the other states which either formed the union or were annexed.
The fundamental purpose of government, and I mean ground zero, is protection. If the Feds fail, it’s the state’s duty to fill the void which is what Abbott is doing. I suspect the current Texas border issue went to SCOTUS, Biden’s bunch would get a well deserved smack down
This said, I’m not a Constitutional lawyer. 4 lawyers on this question will yield, what?…7 opinions and, of course, their bills.
Texit won’t happen, but it’s a fun topic. Thanks for your serious reply. Best your way.
Texas Vs White was overturned as precedent by Jacobson Vs Massachusetts.
That was rigged case and wasn’t even unanimous. Lincoln elected 1/3rd of the judges who btw were directly added not replacing any current justices. The case is flawed and thus should be ignored
they wish they were in Dixie
Transylvania video one day?
Gosh - is there a movement for autonomy or independence in Transylvania? I've never heard of that.
Texas has one of the largest in the western hemisphere. I live in Texas and although I do not agree with their radical conservative politics I do question whether Independence could be a good thing.
Hiya, thanks for your comment. I replied to it yesterday but I must have failed to hit enter or something. Do you mean biggest economy? Texas' economy is big, but the fact that they US economy is so big, and so close to Texas, would give the US a huge amount of leverage if it was willing to take a moderate sized economic hit to prevent the union from unraveling. I think it would. Do you agree?
There's nothing radical about wanting to be free of the most toxic empire that has ever existed. #TEXIT
@@FredoRockwell The hell with the U.S., Texas can handle its own being flush with natural resources. The U.S needs what Texas has and conservative states would not want to "punish' Texas and would probably rather join Texas.
@metalroofing6708 The exact same argument was made about the UK during the Brexit referendum (although it was London's finance center, not oil cited as a strength). It didn't work out the way the Brexiteers predicted at all. Texas would have even less leverage than the UK had in its negotiations, as it's not already a UN and WTO member.
@@FredoRockwell If there have been recorded debates between supporters and detractors, that would make for an interesting video. In my mind the only way succession would be a negative is if the U.S. govt was actually salvageable. Perhaps it is if we get a true reformation from the next administration (which I don't hold a lot of hope for), meaning a drastic return in size and scopt to the original constitutionally organized federal government, meaning the cutting of all non-constitutional departments, including the IRS, dept of education, dept of health, EPA, CIA, FBI, NSA etc. The original founders never intended for the govt to fleece the people in order to create a slush fund for the "good ole boys insiders club". Any other path will enevitably result in the coninuing slide into world govt.
Your arguments in the video are good but not complete and thus flawed. Texas wouldn't be necessarily bad after secession, since you didn't take into account that once independent, Texas would be able to establish new relations with China and Russia who'd be quite willing to help the newly-born state. China, for particular, would gladly help with the excess of the Texan oil exports.
Texas and Taiwan should be independent countries
Taiwan is already independent. 🙂
@@FredoRockwell not yet unfortunately
@@FredoRockwell Taiwan's economy is heavily controlled by the CCP FYI
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As a Texas, I appreciate this video. It may be romantic to fantasize about Texit, but the reality is we need to stay, and propose possibly expelling states that are against our freedoms. Why should we be the ones to leave our beautiful America. No, Texas is not going anywhere although some may wish we did. We came here to stay!!!
Thank you for your comment! I've honestly never thought of them idea of states being expelled from the Union! That's not sometime I would support, but I'm glad you'd like Texas to stay in. 🙂
@FredoRockwell
Agreed! I don't want to expel another state either. However, Texas is here to stay! When we think about it, we can't be un-American!!!
Speak for youself..I no longer hold allegiance to this God forsaken country.
How about Texas leaves the corrupt U.S. and other decent states join Texas making it the Greater Texas Republic
@@garykcarpenter
Politicians are controlled by Satan because of pride and greed
#TexasLouisiana
You should've mentioned first that Texas was a part of Mexico.
I did mention that.
@@FredoRockwell "first"
@alpha_guy_1 It was the first thing I mentioned after a short introduction. In an earlier draft of the script it was the second thing after I mentioned how it had been part of the Spanish Empire.
Your argument is flawed against Texas economy. It's assuming a united US Government front to make a Texit rough. Your forgetting the Republicans would most likely play linebacker and block any EU style punishment for a Texit.
That's being said I doubt a Independent Texas would have massive wealth like the Pro Texit people think because many businesses would relocate simply because the US is the largest economy in the world.
Also Texas would be free to sell more oil.
In the end I think Texas would see a mild boom in it's economy.
Hiya, thanks for your comment! I'm American, but I live in the UK and I lived through Brexit. Lots of pro-Brexit people here made the same argument, that friendly countries like Poland and Czechia would help the UK get a good deal from the EU. This just didn't happen - the EU negotiated as a single block.
There's no reason to think US-Texas negotiations would be any different. A lot would depend on who is in the White House, as it would be the Federal executive branch that would be responsible for any trade agreements (only later would Congress get to ratify the deal).
Here's the problem, though - if you're a Republican from Colorado or Alaska, are you going to fight to let Texas sell oil cheaply to the US? Would the people from those states thank you for this? The US as a whole would lose size, influence, and power if Texas leaves, but many individual states would gain. Texas has 6 major military bases at the moment, which would probably be reallocated to US states. Have you ever seen Congressmen fight to retain or open a new military base in their district? It's not a pretty sight. Something similar happened in the EU when France and Germany realized that London's role as the financial centre of the EU was up for grabs - everyone was happy to carve up the UK's place in the EU for their own local benefit.
To say differently means you think Republicans in the US would rather support the people of Texas (which is about to become another country) over the people of their own district or state. I don't have a lot of faith in elected officials, but one thing I do know is they will take an advantage to get jobs/pork/money for their district or state whenever possible.
Lastly, you are correct that Texas would be free to sell oil, but that's not the risk. No one could stop Texas from exporting oil, but they could stop people from buying it. The US could errect trade barriers that make it non-competitive against US oil. I don't think Canada or Mexico would buy it, as they are also oil exporting countries and wouldn't want to annoy the US. It could be exported to Europe or Asia, but the farther away Texas has to ship it, the harder it is to get a good price (and Europe, India, and China would probably demand a discount if the US decided to pressure countries not to buy Texas oil - which they might do).
Texas could succeed economically, but probably grow more slowly than if it remained in the US. That's what's happening to the UK, and the US is much more powerful in economic terms than the EU - in my opinion!
Thank you for the response. I guess we just agree to disagree. I'm a Republican and was born and raised in Texas but no longer live there. I've headed security for politicians in the past and I somewhat understand them. They are self serving but not normally evil or bad people. I just don't see the united US government front you do and if that doesn't happen then neither does the other doom and gloom stuff
@michaelgonzales1845 We may come closer to agreeing then. I don't think ab independent Texas will be all gloom and doom. I just think it'll struggle a bit at first and then be moderately poorer than it would be staying in the Union. I just don't think Texit would make Texans richer.
Interesting... I would translate your _fully independent country_ as Mexico, its shorter and already established name..
Hello! I'm not sure if this comment was addressed to me. I don't understand it if so. Can you elaborate please?
@@FredoRockwell it was, i was refering to 00:00
and now, as I am listening again, I would also use word _annexation_ rather than _joining_ ..as joining _sounds_ like consenting.
@@nescius2Uh, Texas was a fully independent country.
@@coolboysocool1 yes, sort of like Abchasia, Osetia, Krim, Donetsk and Luhanks...
Texas gets $1.30 more back from the federal government than Texas sends to the Federal government. That number includes the taxes on the ~50 billion dollars a year in Federally funded incomes in the space, military and defence industries as well as highway funds and social security and medicare.
Its illegal for the US to buy military equipment from foreign vendors and there would be no one in Congress to change that, so the 30 billion a year spent on F35s, helicopters, missile guidance systems and vehicles would leave Texas to stay in the US.
Then the 4 billion a year for border control would go to Louisiana, Oklahoma and New Mexico.
To make up for lost Federal money , Texas would need to add 20 cents a gallon to gas tax and find a way to raise $7500 per household through other taxes.
All very good points! I think Texas independence proponents just see all money that goes to the federal government as gone forever, which is clearly not true.
I hadn't thought about the military equipment side of things, though. In the book, Miller waves away any concerns about the US removing its muliple military bases in Texas by saying the US has plenty of military bases in foreign countries, so it might as well keep the ones it has in Texas!!
I can't see that happening. First of all, with no one from Texas in Congress, there would be a line of representatives lobbying for one of those bases to be moved to their district.
Secondly, there are no major foreign military bases in the Western Hemisphere. All the foreign bases near the US are very small.
You might enjoy reading the Texit book by Daniel Miller - it goes into a lot more detail than I did in the video. :)
US government sends Texan money around the globe while it keeps its border open to Invasion. Sorry but no amount of money is worth staying with uncle scam
That's factually incorrect. TX sends $100-200 billion/yr more to the federal government than we get in all benefits recieved/yr.
@@NotZombie9 Maybe. None of these calculations seem all that reliable to me because there's no universally agree definition of "benefit." Is money the Federal government spends in Texas on Federal employees a "benefit?" Not directly, but those federal employees live in Texas, spend their salaries in Texas, etc.
Texas gives the federal government More money/wealth then any other state "$17B " - Look it up. That money could easy run Texas as it does not cost as much to run our selves then to give the money to the US and then get only some of it back. Also, you forgot we would be selling the Oil to you at market rate not the BS you are getting now. Its your Gas bill that's going to go up not ours. And we don t need a big Military unless we our force to by the US. Also, All the money the Feds spend- really - please give Texas half that and we can get it done without all the graft/corruption. Any time the Feds do anything it cost 2 3 5 times a much - that's a fact.
the thing with the state separatist movements is that there really isn't much basis for a whole state to secede. persecuted ethnic, religious, linguistic, etc minorities that have a distinct culture make separatism a lot easier, but your average Texan or Cascadian is just your average American. though, I do think movements like the Lakotah Republic movement make a lot more sense
I agree!
Disagree. Im Texian, not American.
Wrong. Texas has a unique culture and history along with the rest of the South. The federal government is trying on purpose to replace that with countries south of the border and even Asia.
The fact that the South has a unique culture isn't really relevant (and I say this as a Southerner myself). Cultures don't have rights. Individual people do. When people start worrying about the rights of a specific culture, individual people tend to get trampled on.
Also, I didn't think the Federal government really cares about Southern culture, to be honest
they hate our culture which is why they removed countless names from their shitty bases and took down our statesmens portraits in D.C @@FredoRockwell
You are wrong. Sorry
In general, about everything, or about something specific?
Free Texas!!!
Do you mean you want the state government of Texas to be free from federal checks on its power, or the people of Texas to be free from something?
We fought a war over this in 1860 and they lost, Texas will stay a part of the US until the US dissolves :)
A lot of people who are long-since dead fought that war. I don't think actions of people from centuries ago should bind our decisions today. I don't support secession, but because I think it's a bad idea.
A war 160 years ago doesn’t reduce Texas to the state of a hostage. Texas has the right and necessity to secede
Texas es Mexico 🇲🇽
О. Мне это что-то напоминает.😁. Точно. 2014-й. Донецкая и Луганская области. Или это другое?😄😄😄
It's something else. There's no foreign army sneaking into Texas to assist the separatists, and no foreign power is arming Texas independence advocates with ground-to-air missles to shoot down civilian airlines either. Thanks for commenting!
@@FredoRockwell серьезно? Ты называешь людей, которые не хотели жить с нацистской властью сепаратистами?😄
In English, people who promote separatism are called "separatists." Their motives for supporting separatism, even if founded on irridentism, are not relevant for determining whehter or not they are separatists.
Texas has the most oil in the United States, but it was taken away by the central government. #texit !
What the hell does this mean??
If you are an exporter you are in the driver seat on any trade issues. Texas Has the OIL. Let me say that again Texas Has the OIL !!! The US needs that oil so if they try tariff then no oil for you. That simple. As for the taxes - so much money leaves Texas and goes to Washington that Texas would be more then fine. Always some knuckle Head thinks he knows. Also if you play games with the banks you are likely to cause a financial mess of epic magnitude that would hurt the US more then Texas, because the US has to protect the "Dollar" as a world currency. Texas would have a new currency, and would be going thru growing pains no matter what the US does. Playing games at the border!!!- really this is almost laughable. This guy need to pick up a news paper. If he did read the news in the last year he would have seen that the US border is a BAD Joke and everything is coming across it. One of the reason why Texans want to leave as we can control our own border. Texas has a full division of national guard Troop, And a large % of soldiers serving in the military are Texans. Texas economy is growing like crazy. Most of the job are here. In short we can leave no problem. The US need Texas more then we need the US. I think if we leave we would take a few others also. Not sure about that but I think it likely.
Texas has a lot of oil, but so does Alaska, so does Alberta, so do a lot of other places in North America. Exporters are only "in the drivers seat," as you put it, in a seller's market. If the biggest nearby market for Texas oil (the US) can survive without Texas' oil (and I'm sure it can) then Texas is at a disadvantage. The reason is simple - Texas produces a lot more oil than it consumes, and its economy is very dependent on exporting energy. If a lot of friction is added to Texas' oil exports, the economy is in serious trouble. Yes, oil is fungible and could be exported to other countries, but Mexico (which also exports oil) is not a likley buyer. It would probably need to be exported farther afield, which adds to the export costs, and reduces the profit margin.
Texas can survive this, but mere survival is not what the proponents of Texit promise. No matter how much it is tempting to think Texas will have lots of leverage in trade talks, its negotiators will be at a disadvantage (by the way, Texas will likely have few experienced international trade negotiators in the state government, so they'll lack leverage and be unexperienced - that's two big disadvantages).
Before Brexit, a senior minister went on TV here and said, "we hold all the cards." Despite this promise, it turned out the UK had virtually no leverage over the EU in trade negotiations. Once the EU was sure the UK was leaving, all the member states just divided up the plum jobs and positions of power the UK had held and moved on. Oh sure, the EU economy took a hit, but not much of one. Meanwhile, the Brexit is causing ongoing damage to the UK economy, and even its proponents haven't been talking about it in the current election - they know the British people think it's been a failure.
What you mention, the fact that other states might want to follow Texas through the exit, is what makes Texit most unlikely of all. This makes Texit an existential threat to the United States (as Brexit was feared to be, initially, to the EU), and this will mean that whoever the US President is at the time, Congress, the Federal Bereacracy, and the American people will probably be happy for him to do whatever is necessary to preserve the Union.
The US Federal Government can be pretty unpleasant to its citizens. I suspect we both agree about this. I can promise you, though, it is a lot more unpleasant to non-citizens - and that's what Texans would be after Texit.
you are confusing brexit withe the pandemic, brexit has been totally fine, UK now has sovereignty over its laws
Thanks for your comment. Do you live in the UK? I do. I'm not aware of a single real benefit Brexit has provided. When asked in the media, Brexit advocates have been unable to identify one either
The pandemic did make identifying the economic damage caused by Brexit harder, but it's becoming less difficult as time passes. It's the economic consensus in the UK that Brexit has hurt the economy. The only argument is by how much.
Saying the UK has "sovereignty" doesn't really mean anything. The UK has always been sovereign. The UK government now has fewer checks on its power, but this is what happens any time a country ends a treaty relationship. If the UK does eventually sign all these free trade agreements the Beexiteers promised (but have failed to materialise), the UK government will be constrained by the rules of those treaties.
The UK will survive. Life here is okay. As a people we are less free than before Brexit, but out government has more freedom and fewer checks on its power. I don't think that's a good thing.
Texit would do the same thing. The Texas government will be more powerful, and the people less free. The economy will survive but everyone will just be less well off than if Texit hadn't happened.
Brexit has been an absolute economic disaster. The UK has fallen significantly behind it's former EU countries in terms of economic recovery.
You said USA is most free country in the world,
Don't get me wrong i love USA,
But can someone make a communist Party in USA and can that communist Party of USA participate US election?????
Good question. The answer is yes, mostly. There have been multiple communist and socialist political parties in the US. There was also a party officially connected to the Soviet Union (the Communist Party USA) while the SU existed. There remain many different communist parties today, in however.
In my opinion, one of America's biggest political failings is how hard it is for "third parties" of any type (from Green to Libertarian to Socialist) to appear on the ballot. Ballot access is rigged to favor the two main parties. To balance this, the federal and state governments have removed almost all control by parties about who can seek a nomination, what policies the pursue, etc. I made a video about this problem (Why Donald Trump can never be expelled by the Republican Party).
So it's not really practical for a communist PARTY to form and win any important offices, but there are no restrictions whatsoever that would prevent a communist from running as a Republican or Democrat and winning.
Your economic argument falls apart in the situation that the entire rest of the world *doesn't* choose to work against the new nation of Texas. Also, the US, even if they wanted to harm TX, wouldn't be able to levy high tariffs on TX food exports, because that would do more than just 'damage' the US economy, it would make millions of Americans unable to obtain food.
I'm not sure you understood my point. My point is not that Texas would struggle if the entire world chooses not to trade with it. What I'm saying is international borders create trade friction, and that it will take decades for the trade deals that would reduce (not eliminate) that friction to come online, and that the US could introduce more friction into Texas' trade whenever it wants. As I clearly said, Texas would survive - my point is that the TNM argues it will make Texans rich. This flies in the face of economic reality.
Food is important, but I don't think the other 49 states will struggle to feed themselves without Texas. I don't think Texas would starve either, although a lot of food would probably become more expensive (because of trade friction - see above).
I understood your point. Mine was that Texas would not have to suffer much from trade pressure from the US, because 1. TX is a major source of food for the US, and 2. The rest of the world is available to trade with if the US tries to do so.
You're putting a lot of faith in this "trade friction" as if the whole world will hold hostile trade policy, and as if Texas holds no power to do anything but accept it.
@NotZombie9 I live in the UK, and while we're still able to trade with the EU, it is harder, more expensive, and more bureaucratic. This is despite the pro-Brexit campaigners promising that post-Brexit the UK would become a much more free and prosperous country. The UK isn't facing hostility from the rest of the world regarding trade, but there doesn't need to be outright hostility to damage the economy.
Even if the US have Texas very generous trade terms (which I doubt it will), just having to stop at the border for inspections, to fill out paperwork and show documents, that will be a significant drag on the economy. And yes, Texas can trade with other countries - but it's much less profitable to trade with countries far away. Let's say China offered a generous trade deal but the US didn't - that will still hurt Texas economy as switching trade from the US to China will come at a cost.
Lastly, while Texas may supply food to the rest of the US, I don't think Texas can extort trade concessions because of this. The US as a whole is a food superpower and already produces more food than it consumes domestically. What is more likely is that other states that produce similar products will lobby Congress to impose tariffs on food from Texas so they can take that market share. This is what the US agricultural sector does now with other countries. Once Texas loses it's influence in Washington it couldn't stop this.
Agree or disagree with the content in a whole, your ending that America is a free county is completely delusional! Here is why. Income tax (promised just to fund ww1) State tax( state pending),County Tax, Property tax ( paid with already taxed money yearly! ) , ATF tax , entertainment tax (state pending) , Pink tax ( just for being born a woman), Permit to own a fire arm ( sate pending ,also a constitutional right!) permit to hunt, permit to fish , permit to work on your own home( that you own !) permit to have a bond fire , permit have solar panels, permit for windmill, permit to drive . Hate speech /Fact checking ( over ruling the first amendment on political bias), Reporting every 600$ in profit to the IRS (thanks joe was 10,00 before!), permit to run a business, permit to sell food,
Call me crazy if you must but if you need government permission to eat , do business , own a home , or speak and pay a thee(taxes/permit) for rights how is it free. America isn't terrible don't get me wrong . But America IS NOT A FREE COUNTRY WAKE UP ! if it is tell me what am I free to do that isn't taxed or requires a permit !
Thanks for your comment. I think what I said at the end of the video is that the US is one of the most free countries in the world. I stand by that. I'm not saying that America is a "free country" in an absolute sense. I don't think there will ever be a moment when every American agrees on what being a "free country" means, let alone it being achieved.
The reason I made this point was that leaving the federal government might seem like it would create freedoms for the people of Texas in the short term, but there is a much greater risk that it would do the opposite. For example, the people who campaigned for Brexit here in the UK (where I now live) promised it would lead to a drastic reduction in regulations. In reality, what happened was that most EU regulations were simply imported into UK law, and there is no discernable increase in freedom inside the UK since it left the EU. In fact, if anything, there is a huge decrease in freedom as its citizens have lost the right to work and live in EU countries, and are now liable for import taxes from EU countries.
The American tax code is stupid, and the American attitude towards requiring permits for virtually everything is also crazy. These are not issues that will be solved by Texit, though. In my opinion, the best way to make America more free is to reform America, not leave it. It's not as exciting an option as secession, but it is a lot more practical.
@@FredoRockwell Well I am always up for well round conversation respectfully you have a lot of valid point in the video and its content is well gone through and explained.
I just think people in general need to wake up to the factor everything we do requires taxes , permits or licenses. I really do hope we could vote certain ways to fix this but it seems there is no real solution as whole . No modern election in the last 70 years actually granted more rights . They have only installed ridiculous bureaucratic measures and points of control.
Texas succeeding I agree wont fix all , but the us government is way to comfortable with overtaxing and overstepping their authority !
#bidenimpeachmentnow