NEW iPads... and some things Apple didn't mention
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- čas přidán 7. 05. 2024
- Apple has released a new 11" and 13" iPad Air with M2... and new 11-inch and 13-inch iPad Pro models with the all-new M4 chip and a super bright Tandem OLED display! There's a new "Pencil Pro", a Magic Keyboard with function keys (for some), and some good news on pricing (along with the inevitable increases)... and there are one or two things Apple glossed over or didn't mention...
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A FEW UPDATES
I had assumed the Magic Keyboard would work with either Air or Pro... which was a silly assumption given the thickness difference. We realised the keyboards were different when we spotted that the function keys are only on the Pro keyboard, but we should have fixed the segment before editing. 🤦🏼♂ Sorry, and thanks to everyone who corrected me.
Something else to confirm is that the new iPad Air and iPad Pro only support Apple Pencil Pro and Apple Pencil USB-C. They won't support Apple Pencil 2nd generation. This is due to a change in position of the wireless charging and magnets to accommodate the landscape camera.
I didn't discuss the AI performance of the M4 in this video, because I wanted to do some more research. Apple quoted 38 trillion operations per second (38 TOPS) for the Neural Engine in M4... and they quoted 18 TOPS for M3. That seems like a massive uplift, except that the M4 number is based on INT8 and the M3 number is based on FP16. The actual uplift is more like 5-10% based on information I've seen so far, but we need to see more testing.
Finally, some Geekbench 6 results have been leaked since publishing, and the M4 does look like a healthy step up on M3, though some of that will be due to additional cores. I'll reserve judgement until it's been properly tested, but it's good news for when we get to see these chips in the Mac - perhaps as soon as WWDC!
Thanks for all the comments and support. 😊
czcams.com/video/3moprE5S3Qc/video.htmlsi=HAw-fcIUCIKEOOwC This explains the reasoning behind the jump to M4
Still rocking my 2018 iPad Pro with the A12x chip. It rarely feels slow and has great features like promotion and quad speakers-something that isn’t even on the latest iPad Air!
Same here and not planning to upgrade for a while.😉
New iPad Pro cons
▫️Apple removed the 2nd rear camera
🔸Apple removed 1 studio microphone
🔹Apple Pencil 2 won’t work with it
🔻Existing Magic Keyboard won’t work with it
🔺The M4 chip in the 256 and 512 GB models is a binned whip with lower GPU and performance cores than getting an 1T or 2T model which has the fully unlocked M4 chip.
I have the same model. I'm glad I bought it in 2018 and it's honestly amazing that I've used it as my main drawing device for years. Easily the best device purchase I've made and it is responsible for many of my artworks. That said, lately I've started doing animation with Procreate Dream, and it lags more frequently than I can ignore. If I'm still rocking with Procreate only, I won't need to upgrade but this time I have to say goodbye to my current iPad. It's awesome to see many people still using the model.
Mine had a ghost touch bug, sent it back and they gave me another one that was worse.
12.9 M1 here no way im upgrading for 2 more years I will wait for a 15 or 20 hour battery life
To justify the price of the 13’, Apple could have added a second port and dual boot with MacOS.
Just to let you know the new Magic Keyboard is only compatible with iPad Pro not the iPad Air, you haft to get the old design for the air.
That would be a plus in my book - I hate Apple accessories often only lasting for one -two at most- generation of the main machine
The iPad is a frustrating device. As a software developer, I struggle to take advantage of the power of my M1 iPad Pro. It seems the iPad Pro is really only for those working in video production because I can't see who else would benefit from the M4.
M4 is a big deal for almost everyone due to the NPU on the SoC. They're are about to introduce on Jun 10th a ton of additions to the OS and standard apps that take advantage of generative AI.
To be honest that’s the huge turn off. I can’t use it for any of my development work. Just nothing!!! If it were possible, that would have been my go to device.
Apparently it's fast becoming 'the thing' in 2D design.
True. ipad is useless to me without full access to Microsoft office or 365 (which is used by almost 1.4b users in the world). Sadly its just for digital artist. Overkill for rest of us. Only macbooks/mac makes sense in apple lineup.
@@samjaiwin What Office features are “must haves” for you that the mobile versions don’t have? Have you let Microsoft know that those features need to be in their apps? The software limitations aren’t because of the device or OS - it’s due to business decisions at software developers who don’t want to cannibalize other parts of their product lines.
Going to wait to actually see one in a store, but want to upgrade my iPad Pro 10.5 to between iPad Pro 256 11” or the air with same storage. I can hold my current iPad laying on the bed with one hand not sure if I could with the 13”
I ordered a new 13" iPad Pro and was going to choose nano-texture glass, but then I viewed a review video on Apple Studio monitor which offers the same nano-texture glass. The person said they regret getting the nano-texture because text does not appear as crisp and high resolution as with standard glass. He showed a close up of the blurry, scattered looking text on the nano-texture glass. I am wondering whether the new iPad Pro has this exact same nano-texture glass as on the Studio monitor. Anyway, I changed my order to 'standard glass' because I do a lot of reading on my iPad Pro and crisp clear text is super important. I hope that reviewers will show a close up side-by-side with text on the new OLED screens with both types of glass, and also show both OLED iPads next to the previous iPad Pro mini LED screens for comparison. That would be interesting to see.
matte screen protectors for iphones and ipads have been there for ages. They look and feel different to glossy glass, they look cool, they hide fingerprints and they give paper-like feeling when drawing. But this is personal, so you could spend like 15$ on a matte screen protector (they also call them "paperlike screen protector" for iPads) and try it yourself.
I went to the Apple Store today and compared their matte and glossy studio monitors side by side, and I have the same conclusion. The matte looked blurry and slightly out of focus, enough to be noticed. I compared text and images side by side and the blurring of the matte was a total deal breaker for me. The glossy one looked so much sharper, so it’s glass finish for me for sure! I totally considered the nano-textured glass iPad at first but not anymore. I hope I’m right! 😅
I already have an iPad Pro. I also do a lot of reading. But I mainly read epubs so I use a dedicated e-ink device that doesn't fatigue your eyes refreshing @60+ times a second.
Ordered my 13" iPad Pro, keyboard and pro pencil and I get it next week on the 15th. Based on how I plan on using it I do not think I am going to miss the top spec and went with 256 and did not want the nano glass. I want a brighter screen. Still can't believe I spent $2k on that setup.
Wow for $2,000, I could buy four (4) fully spec basic iPad 9th generation models (smile...smile).
@@transitengineer not sure what I would do with four of them. It’s more of a toy just to check it out and see what it’s capable of doing versus our new MacBook.
With half that price you could've bought a tab S8+ with the pencil included.
@@SuperJuvexxxDidn’t want an S8. I’m in the Apple ecosystem system.
I went for the 13" 1TB myself. Only the 1/2TB models had the option for Nano-glass (not that I want that) and get the 'full' M4 Chip and double the RAM too. I also ordered the new Keyboard and Pencil Pro too.
@transitengineer you could buy older gen options, but you won't get an OLED screen, the front facing camera in the 'right' landscape position, can't use the new 'Pro' pencil which, as an artist/Calligrapher is very appealing, and stuck with the 'old' keyboard without the 'useful' function row and better Track pad. Whilst the older gen iPads are still great and now cheaper, doesn't mean its the right purchase for everyone. If you want the feature set of the new Pencil Pro, you'll need at least an Air but that doesn't have an OLED screen or work with the 'new' Keyboard. Its also heavier too...
It may not be worth it to you, but for others, it could be the 'iPad' they've wanted Apple to make for years and why they didn't upgrade to the M2...
The M3 Max does not have the ultra fusion part, which may imply that the M3 Ultra will not arrive. I guess M4 Ultra will be the star of the show of WWDC
That fast ???
I do love to see m4 mac is coming.
Really want to see apple make Mac Pro become a true pro machine. Maybe Mac Pro become a huge PCIE/MPX tower and M4 ultra become a MPX card, user can add up to 4 m4 ultra MPX card ???
19:35 same here the binned m4 chip irked me too
The laminated screen on the Air/Pro is better for digital artists using the pencil than the iPad 10’s glass-covered screen. If you aren’t doing art, the 10 is perfectly fine. Seems they’ve targeted the more premium iPad’s at a very niche market, which is an interesting sales choice!
The Pros were always a niche product line just like MBP and Mac Pro
I feel like this event was almost targeting digital artists.
To a large extent, yes. People seem to think that Apple is selling higher end products to people who don’t need them, but they’re not. If you need it, then you buy it, if you don’t, then buy a less expensive model.
I think you're forgetting about gaming on the iPad. Death Stranding, Resident Evil 4, and Resident Evil Village all push the M2 iPad Pro to it's performance limit, and seeing that the M4 has 4x the GPU performance, that is going to make a huge difference. With Assassin's Creed Mirage expected to release around the same time as WWDC I expect them to showcase this.
I agree. He even said “you won’t be doing 120 fps gaming on an iPad” … umm, a lot of the newer games and even some as old as PUBG Mobile have upped their FPS to take advantage of the Pro models abilities.
@@JeffMyers409yeah Fortnite was running at 120fps on the A12X iPad Pro 😂
what holds the ipad pro is the ipados itself :D
The lineup seems very straightforward
- I want a small one (mini)
- I want a cheap one (iPad 10)
- I want a regular one (iPad Air)
- I want OLED (iPad Pro)
I watched this video using the First Gen iPad Pro 12.9. My ipads are just media consumption machines and I see no point upgrading to M4 since Netflix, CZcams all run just fine at 1080p streaming. The experience is still miles better than Fire or Android devices that I've tried. It's a bit old in the tooth now and cannot get the latest iPad OS but still works surprisingly well!
Same here, I still sketch on mine too. They are nowhere near a full solution.
I have 2018 pro. I was quite excited to upgrade. Not anymore. Maybe depend on next month whether I buy it.
Same. I was hoping this would be the year I’d upgrade mine, maybe next year
Best video I have seen on the new iPad. I think I am one of the few just getting into video editing since I love using my GoPro with my new atv. I do not care for laptops so I am in between ordering a 2tb iPad Pro with a keyboard, unsure about pencil, or waiting for a new Mac Studio since i already have a lg 27 inch oled monitor.
M4 is looking to be very good. Single Core on my M3 Pro is 3051, whereas M4 is scoring 3767 with Geekbench 6. The Multicore score I get for 12 cores on M3 Pro is 14766, whereas 10 core M4 seems to be scoring 14677, which seems to indicate there should be an improvement once we get M4 Pro/Max/Ultra. It more excites me for the M4 Mac mini or Mac Studio. Incredible stuff!
One observation I've seen on some hardware-oriented channels is that the M4 uses a newer and less-expensive manufacturing process than the M3 did. And when it's running, it will use less power than the M3. I believe they did not increase how long a full-charge will last, so it's more likely that they reduced the size of the battery and stayed with the length from battery charge. They certainly couldn't release this new iPad Pro with the *M2* chip, and given the benefits of going with the M4 over the M3 I was pretty confident that they'd go with the M4.
Battery times indicated are the same. 11” has bigger battery and 13” has smaller battery. I think mini led are thirsty hence they could shrink battery. But still it will be interesting to see with 1000 nit display how it will perform.
great review.
Look for one of these New ipad to replace my iPad Air 2 yes that Air 2 which is coming up to 10 years old. Used mainly for banking like the touch id, was going to up graded it to the New Air but it looking that just the ipad 10 @ £349 might be best for me ( have a samsung Tab s6 lite for content)
Given your comment regarding lower spec IPads being capable of running DaVinci Resolve. I imagine 8gb RAM might be a potential issue. I run DaVinci on a MacBook Pro (2020) with 16 gb RAM . It’s OK but would I be right in thinking the new iPad air or Pro is not going to offer any advantage in real world use for video editing, or do the M2 and M4 chip make that much difference to justify the cost?
Resolve will work fine with 8GB if you're using consumer codecs (or BRAW), even at 4K. Our experience with M chips is that you do start to see slowdown the longer you're working on a timeline, and if you're trying to do anything too complicated. 16GB would make a difference in those scenarios. I've done some quick video edits on iPad, and it works well for that, but for any serious projects I want a Mac or PC.
If your MBP is M1, then it is true to say that the additional encoders and GPU performance in M2 and M4 will perform better, but that would be countered by the limitations of working in iPadOS (file management, interface etc.). And the benefits you do get would mostly be seen in final render times, as the M1 is already quick enough for simple editing.
I love your down to earth reviews. Keep up the good work 😊.
Thank you 😁
When does ipadOS get updated? Could possibly explain why there is such a powerful cpu here. Even the Magic Keyboard is looking like a macbook.
Happily still with my 2019 16” MBP & 13PM.. The 13” m4 will be a good investment
From what I've read, the M3 was pretty expensive for apple as it was on a special node at TSMC as they didn't want to wait for the node to mature. This current node of 3nm is for everybody and has slightly more efficiency. This why they have gone to M4 quicker than everybody thought.
Apple should be supporting these M chip devices for at least 10 years with software updates.
Why there is only one usb c for the iPad keyboard? What if user need to change on the others side ? But need the iPad build in usb c for others purposes???
For this high price, the keyboard should provide a bit more features
The USB C on the keyboard only exists to provide power to the iPad in order to free up the one on the iPad itself (and it will pass through 60W by the way). You’re not required to use it Not sure what difference the side would make, but there are plenty of USB C dongles for like $20 that also provide pass through charging, multiple USB interfaces, HDMI etc.
@@jimscardelis284 there is more the one way to sort this problem, but, my pint is this don’t not be a problem at the first place, specially for this high price
Ordered the iPad Pro 512 13 inch to upgrade original iPad Pro. Ordered magic keyboard and new pencil, especially now pencil had find it functionality. It will be interesting to see what apple brings out in June to utilise the iPad Pros spec’s, hoping we see a true contest for surface pro.
I hope we get something meaningful, but I think we have to buy our iPads based on what they are now, not what we hope they might be. Speaking as someone who learned that lesson after rushing to buy the 1TB M1 iPad Pro, thinking "there's no way Apple would have put an M1 in an iPad unless there were big changes coming to iPadOS". 😁 I do genuinely hope for more this WWDC.
Apple also removed the charger from IPad Pros and Airs coming in box in UK and EU so that’s another £20 increase. And for our American watchers remember that’s how it started with the iPhone so expect it coming your way sooner than later.
A very helpful analysis, thanks. I’ve opted to replace my 12.9’ M1 with an 11”, because I’d prefer the portability of the size, but couldn’t previously get the better screen on the smaller device.
Also, congratulations on correct use of the word ‘fewer’ 😊
I have a m1 iPad Pro and is great. The screen has a similar spec to the new oled with 1600 nits peak. Problem is my mother wants a new iPad and she wants “the big one” but the air only has Touch ID and when people get up there in age fingerprints just don’t work. She need Face ID so it has to be the big one….
I expect there will be plenty of deals about on M2 models. That is a very good argument for Apple including FaceID on all the models. Frankly, I wish they all had both TouchID and FaceID.
@Harrysound If you live in the US, the refurbished section of Apple website offer M1 12.9" and the price is decent compared to the new M4
I would buy Mom a used M-1 iPad Pro.
Such a shame. M4 still only AV1 decode. Was really hoping for Encoding as well.
Im still ignorant and hoping they will give us the option to use it as a mac in future.
I read that it also encodes and waits for the reviews for clarification.
Brilliant review as always, my only gripe is you seem to be a bit confused wether you should say Dollars or Pounds, your not the only UK CZcamsr with this dilemma!
Thanks. 😊 I try to state both to cater to both audiences. I also have quite a few viewers in Europe and India... might get a bit too confusing to do them all though!! 😁
Outstanding video. I subscribed.
12:38 I don't think the new magic keyboard works for the new iPad airs (those still use the old keyboards from the old iPad).
Not sure you can use new Magic Keyboard with the Air. Need to double check that.
With all this performance I wish they would make it possible to run Mac OS or press a button and switch to iPad OS. But I'm sure there are other technical reasons why this wouldn't be possible. I don't think would make Mac's redundant either.
Great video.
Kranky ehh, wonder what Pete and Erin might comment on that lol.😂
I'm sure there's a few jabs going on.
Thank you
I do think the M4 makes sense when you think about the fact that the 3nm tech they were using from TSMC was basically exclusive to apple and was basically a ploy for apple to be able to claim to have the first 3nm chips. the newer N3E isn't even compatible with the A17 based M3 line up. I don't think we were ever going to get an M3 Ultra, and this is proven in the teardowns that show the fusion connector was removed from the M3 max. Honestly I think the M3 generation was more for marketing than anything since apple is facing significantly lower sales. That's good for us, their products are so good there's very little reason to upgrade, but bad for apple.
Great video! You should edit the video so that when you talk about the iPad Air or iPad Pro versus the iPad plane you’re charging cable disappears and reappears.
I do think that M4 and the increment in Neural Engine speed is setting us up for a big drop of on-device AI tech at WWDC next month. It will suit them well to have a decent M4 installed base for these imminently incoming apps.
I too just bought an M3 device a few weeks ago, a base M3 Pro MBP 14, and I feel your pain. I am (somewhat) comforted knowing that M3 -> M4 is a small spec bump. I just keep telling myself that...
It's all in the mind...
...living rent free!
@@ConstantGeekery 😄
M3 was a temporary stopgap - M4 is what M3 was meant to be, but the yields were awful, so they had to use a different 3nm process to get M3 out of the door. TSMC don't want to keep that M3 3nm process going. This is a more 'true' 3mn chip, which is likely required to make the Pro that thin and light.
I plan on upgrading my 2020 IPad Air. Debating between the 2022 IPad Pro that I can buy at base exchange for $ 599 or new Air for $ 599. I don’t play games or watch movies. I’m retired and watch You Tube hours at a time and spend about 5 hours a day on it.
I think the thing you don‘t understand: the M3 was the furst 3 nm chipset, but this was only a provisorisl emergency solution because Apple didn‘t have enough time to give the M3 a completely new design. The definitive design is now the M4 chip.
I have a 12.9” M1 iPad Pro with the awesome (though overpriced) magic keyboard and 5G. I won’t be upgrading. I mostly use it for media consumption and light productivity and will use it for at least a couple more years.
M3 was made using a very expensive preliminary version of the 3nm process technology. M4 is just the more mature version of this process - it’s less expensive and has better yields.
Also, Google got slammed for using Tensor 2 in the Pixel Fold instead of the Tensor 3 that was due out soon. When Apple does right, creators slam it because they bought an M3 recently. The previous iPad Pro was an M2, so that take by creators/tweeters is irrelevant.
I can't get excited about iPad because it doesn't do anything. I have one but I couldn't tell you what CPU because they all perform the same: they play youtube without dropping frames.
More space and oled maybe?
@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 Fair enough, I bought my current iPad because it has a pretty nice screen. But I doubt I would notice a difference with the new screen. I don't use it outside. But I never use the storage; similarly I don't use the Gigs on my watch or Apple TV.
Correction you have nothing to do with the iPad. There’s plenty of use cases to take advantage of the performance
I thought it was a good Apple Event with some nice upgrades. However who can now deny that the iPad has reached full maturity? That's All Folks !
12.9 m1 here i will keep mine for another 2 years. Im waiting for 15 to 20hour battery life
My Magic Keyboard on my 12.9” iPad Pro (M1) has been NOTHING but trouble! The 11” iPad Pro Magic Keyboard always worked flawless. I’ll NEVER do another larger iPad. In fact, I wish the iPad Mini would just become the norm.
RIP Mini LED Inner Shadow
Personally I will wait till WWDC before making a decision on the upgrade (currently on Ipad pro M1)
I agree with all your comments, other than new Magic Keyboard is only for the M4 iPad Pro. The M2 iPad Air uses the previous magic keyboard version. In fact, the 13-inch M2 iPad Air makes the M4 iPad Pro a complete waste money, because what's the point of having an M4 iPad Pro if its only allowed to run iPad OS, as you can do everything an M4 iPad Pro can do, on an M2 iPad Air, with less of the technically capability wasted. I wouldn't buy another iPad Pro unless Apple offer an iPad OS / Mac OS dual boot option for the 1TB+ models, though this is unlikely (I would even pay an additional one-off licence fee for the Mac OS option). This year's WWDC will help me decide whether I ditch my M1 iPad Pro and replace it with a Microsoft Surface Pro 10 with Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite or similar (I am extremely comfortable with Windows 11 arm, and it can now do everything I need, and will be even better with a more powerful arm64 processor) or spend more money with Apple and upgrade to an M4 iPad Pro. I suspect it will be the former! Even the new Minisforum V3 14-inch 16:10 Tablet with AMD 7 8840U processor, 32GB RAM, 1TB RAM, 2x USB4 ports eGPU capable, Windows 11 Pro etc and currently costing £1,159.00 for magnesium alloy tablet, keyboard, stand, rechargeable stylus, screen protector and laptop sleeve, is much better value than the iPad Pro, and CZcams reviews to date have been very positive!
Practicality over specs and benchmarks. You are the King of that. So refreshing. I see so many high end devices in the hands of people that will never realize a fraction of their capability. Like driving their Lambos to the corner store for a gallon of milk. I had a boss many years ago that had a saying that seems to fit here - "the dogs can't eat it that fast." Shiny new toys, fun to look at but do I really want to spend thousands for a tablet ??? Just because Apple makes something new doesn't mean we have to buy it if our older device is still working fine. (sent from my M1 Air)
Yes, I own the basic iPad 9th generation which, you could still buy on Apple's web site for $329, until yesterday. Because, I always get the basic vintage iPad models with max memory and the cell data option. Plus for another $125, I added the Logitech Combo Touch Keyboard that does it all (smile...smile).
still fine with my 12,9" ipad pro with m1...no need to upgrade.🤷🏻♂️
Not upgrading. Using M! iPad. Mostly consumption. Need better file system etc.
Apple had to make this move now to keep up with the May 20th announcement.
As an artist, I have a 1st gen 12.9 iPad Pro and pencil. It's still great for sketches and consumption. I also have a MacBook Pro and a display/pen tablet for the very reason that iPadOS restricts on allowing industry standard apps. The iPad app based file handling alone frustrates me, along with the large phone experience, It's a half way house and not a full solution. If I were to upgrade, I wouldn't get anything more than the new 13" air with the new pro pencil. I think a lot of people agree that the OS is the bottleneck on the top tier iPads for the intention of more serious work. At the moment, they seem to be a little bit in the posh toy consumer zone. With the power performance ratio of Apple Silicon, I do really wish they would make an apple version of the Surface Pro. on a 14"+ scale. This would replace my daily MacBook Pro and pen tablet.
Great video as always... my personal option (and it is just that) is that the hardware greatly overshadows the OS, even on my M1 iPad Pro, is't never breaking a sweat. Each year at WWDC we wait for the OS to really use the hardware but it's so incremental. For me I'll stick with the M1 iPad Pro until apple gives a reason for the upgrade until then... I'll pass. However of course that is just me. ;-)
Sorry follow-up... (that will teach me to write a comment whilst watching a video)... with all the different SKUs is apple going back to their ways of the 90's... I really hope not, because if they are we are heading to heap of confusion and hot mess.
It does feel a little confused. Just the Pencil selection is probably enough to bamboozle the average consumer!
Unfortunately, I don' have a use case for the iPad, because iOS is still too limited.
My Daughter bought her Mother a 10.2 inch iPad Air 10th Generation for Mother's Day
Great choice 👍🏻
I am watching this on my iPad Air2. I was thinking of upgrading because I can and the battery life is short. But, I think I’ll spend $24 on a new battery (DIYer here) rather than over $2400 on a new iPad
I suggested to Apple a new line up of Mac Book Pro's.
Mac Book Pro Ultra, fully foldable with a touch screen. Usable as laptop and or Tablet.
Start price $3499
With the power performance ratio of Apple Silicon, I do really wish they would make an apple version of the Surface Pro. on a 14"+ scale. This would replace my daily MacBook Pro and pen tablet.
@@JamesWilliam70
I suggested a different name today, Mac Book Pro Elite.
Touch screen, foldable laptop, ultra thin. 120hz display.
No mention at all about pwm used on oled screens….
Everyone has this wrong. The M4 power/watt efficiency has allowed them to use a smaller battery which means they are using less cobalt and other conflict region materials in each iPad. Unstated environmental and social responsibility credits. Expect to see this trend continue.
I just upgraded a year ago to the M2 iPad Pro 11", so I'm seriously bummed that the new Pencil Pro won't work with my iPad. The new Pencil Pro offered some features I was interested in, especially since I'm currently using a clone pencil that only has basic function, but works fine at 1/4 the price of Apple's Pencil 2. Also, they should have reduced the price of Pencil 2, given that it now has less features than Pencil Pro (which is the same price). FWIW, I have zero interest in upgrading my M2 iPad Pro to an M4 version.
When Apple's event was done, I was pretty certain that the iPad Pro was significant overkill and that I'd order the 13-inch iPad Air. But after thinking about it some more, and after noticing that my current iPad Pro is the 10.5-inch model, I am now thinking that I'll buy the 11-inch iPad Pro with the 512-GB capacity. I doubt I need more than 256-GB (although I do download videos to my iPad, so I can watch them while traveling), but I've seen some reviews where the reviewer *guesses* that the 256-GB capacity might be slower than the models with more capacity, because they *think* the 256-GB capacity is going to use a single SSD module. They've been clear that this is a guess on their part, but it does pretty plausible to me. And I'm sure I can fill up the extra 256-GB if I really felt I needed to.
_Wrt the magic keyboard:_ What I've done is bought a logitech bluetooth keyboard which can pair up with three separate devices. You switch between the devices by pressing one of three buttons on the keyboard. So I have that paired to my current iPad, my iPhone, and my Apple TV (!). This logitech keyboard isn't cheap, but I think it's a much much better deal than buying the magic keyboard for an iPad. It gives me a lot of the added function of having a keyboard on the iPad, but it's cleaper than the magic keyboard and much more useful. Not as convenient (especially if you're traveling with the iPad), but more generally useful.
... let me add that I'd really prefer the larger screen, but I do not think the extra size was worth the extra cost.
I just got some half decent external NVMe drives to use with my iPad Air, the last before M1 came into the range. Does enough for my storage needs, but would get the 512Gb Pro model out of preference for something decent onboard to avoid the dreaded single NAND issue. Would prefer the 13" variant, but happy to use the 11" as my current Air is more than sufficient screen wise in all reality.
Imho, the reason they went to the M4 is because Apple won’t be redesigning the iPad for a long time.
This will be my first Apple tablet; I am only buying this tablet for future proof. I tend to use tablets for a very long time-at least four years.
Until apple gives the iPad MacOS, it will never reach its potential. Complete insanity that they hamstring it not to eat into the sales of the macbook air
If they would do that they would knife themselves in the back in regards to Macbook (Air) sales. Not going to happen.
@@valynoris iPad or MacBook better?
@@dark_nightwing_xl2797 That really depends on you and what you want to do with the device.
Mac can do more. Ipad os is more of a nerfed mac. In between ios, and mac @@dark_nightwing_xl2797
@@dark_nightwing_xl2797if you are a light user you can buy both MacBook air and 10gen ipad for less than 1500$. And you still get best of both worlds.
Love technology moving forward. Cannot wait to see what Apple shows at WWDC.
No new purchases for this normal. Like most normals. When it comes to iPad I am going to stick with my 2017 Apple 12-inch iPad Pro 256 for content consumption.
How much power do you need for content consumption?
5th gen iPad 12.9 256 is fine for me
5:40 Maybe they should have called it M3X. Biggest changes look to be in de neural engine. And some logic for the tandem display drivers.
Neural engine is only about a 5-10% bump based on what I'm reading.
@@ConstantGeekery The Neural Engine went from 18 TOPS (M3) to 38 TOPS (M4).
A15 - 15.8 TOPS, M2 - 15.8 TOPS
A16 - 17 TOPS, M3 - 18 TOPS
A17 - 35 TOPS, M4 - 38 TOPS
I have the idea that the M3 shares the A16 architecture and the M4 the A17 architecture.
There is a ~15% increase between M2 and M3.
@@edwinschaap5532 yes, but Apple quoted TOPS (or more accurately, tflops) for M3 based on FP16, whereas they are now apparently quoting based on INT8. You can’t directly compare them. It’s about 5% difference if that is the case, based on what I read.
@@ConstantGeekery Ah yes, that's their trick to double the performance. They talked about the move to int's last year. So the NE is 5% faster using float models, but it can deliver double performance on integer models. That's logical since integer ALU's are much simpler.
So the current Geekbench test uses float-models that show only marginal differences. This would change if Geekbench would include an integer-model test. Then we would see the double sized bar.
And if int's work just as fine for ML, it's a great move to speed up things.
@@edwinschaap5532 do you have a source for that? I’m finding it difficult to find definitive information.
Geekbench ML includes INT8 tests. When you look at the score breakdown there’s very little difference between those scores and FP16.
yeh, they didnt mention the Mini!!! Grrr.... How about an upgraded Mini, Apple!
my first ipad will be the pro 11"
I bought the 2020 IPad Air and Magic Keyboard. After a year, the Magic Keyboard went into the draw. Haven’t used it sense. Easier without it.
I too feel bummed about that the use of a binned chip on all Pro models below 1TB. With little to no mention (Oh, I'm sure they said 'up to' at some point courtesy the legal dept) of that when presenting the performance bumps, and hiding it on the order page under 'How much memory do I need' I call misleading advertising. Nothing less.
Still happy with my A* series 13" pro (2020 model I think) and definitely not ready to spend on another pencil and keyboard.
One thing I would love to use is that display but not before this model ends up in the refurbished section. Possibly not even then, because in all honesty the new Air would be good enough for me. The (new, I think) stereo audio in landscape makes it close to ideal.
Lastly, about your prediction about less CPU cores in the MacBook Air M4 - wouldn't it make sense they use less CPU cores for the iPad, but less GPU cores for the MacBook? That way they might squeeze some extra yield from production - after all, nothing more important to Tim the supply chain guy than yield (apart from his pension fund, of course)
its kind of funny but it is almost like building your own laptop that is more expensive and less capable than a laptop, even one from apple.
Your are 100 percent correct. Apple inc., is just saying please give us $3,000 (desktop, laptop, or iPad Pro) of your money and, we will be happy (smile...smile).
The Apple iPad event killed my current device which, is a basic iPad 9th generation with 256GB and the cell data option. Have owned this classic iPad model for years but, I knew one day Apple would stop selling them. Afterward, I added a Logitech Combo Touch Keyboard that is back-lit and also has function keys and a large track pad. Love having a wired headphone jack, home button, Apple's Center Stage, and all my lighting adaptors work fine (smile...smile).
Just a clarification, you CANNOT use the new magic keyboard with the new iPad Air. The new magic keyboard is literally called "Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro".
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On the quick change from M3 to M4, the iMac was one of the first Mx devices to not get the M2, and I hope this is actually true of all the product lines that not everything gets every generation of chip. So if this is true, then the mindset shifts and lessens the blow that MacBook Air with M3 was just released a couple of months ago. It may not get the M4 at all. (And think about those that spent a lot of money on Vision Pro with M2 a few months before MacBook Air w/ M3.) Also, it's more than likely it's two different customers between a MacBook Air and an iPad Air or Pro. You just now have options, and they have trade-offs between them -- ex. MacBook Air has better battery life and MacOS, but iPad has great portability and a touchscreen/pencil-enabled. Nobody needs ALL the devices. You pick and choose what works for you, and what you can afford at that time. Having iPad 10th generation dropping price (with 9th generation ending), is a great entry into the iPad ecosystem, and then in the future you can choose an Air or Pro if needs change.
The M3 could not handle the new Tandem OLED XDR display, so there was zero chance Apple would re-engineer it to make it capable. Instead, they designed a display co-processor that handles the display, increasing efficiency and enabling the algorithms to handle how the dual panels interact to spread the wear equally. I have no idea why creators are questioning why Apple went straight to the M4; it seems like a flex to me.
Apple needs to unlock iPADs with Mac OS period. Only then it will be able to utilize its power and make sense financially.
I personally would crave for iPad mini Pro and if I could run MacOS on it too that would be absolutely a game changer.
Thinner iPads with larger screens, what could possibly go wrong 😂 Bend gate coming 😂
I mean, just don't be a twat and bend it? Idk about you, they could probably make this thing 3x as thick and I could still easily bend it in half if I wanted to...
Problem with specs is that Apple markets its products by pointing out specs. iPad Air is all I would need but what about the future? Will the Air support IOS down the road or is it worth another couple of hundred dollars to get the Pro? The old tile is buy all you can afford.
The most confusing thing about Apple products right now might just be the ridiculous amount of Apple Pencils
When I heard the early rumours about the next iPad having a double OLED a thought a few years down the line it’ll probably have the brightness of a single new OLED as they do degrade over time and I like to keep my Apple products until they are literally on their last legs anyway picked up a discounted M2 iPad recently to replace my 2017 iPad Pro which was on it’s last legs half the backlight had stopped working so I really couldn’t wait any longer and with everything I’ve seen about the M4 iPad Pro I think I’ve made the right decision, so in all likelihood the WDC will announce a killer iPadOS/App that’ll only work on the M4 iPad Pro to make me curse :-)
Looking at it from a software pov, this upgrade cycle makes very little sense. This actually gives of the impression that Apple is silently preparing future iPadOS versions to be fully able to tap into the power of Apple Silicon with massive OS overhauls. Maybe not 18, but it would not surprise me if down the line, we’d see ‘’MacOS functionality’ without it actually being MacOS on the iPad.
Using M-chips has nothing to do with a master plan to move to macOS on an iPad. It is to do with costs and providing the best they can for the pro models. It is up to developers to code for iPadOS, but they are reluctant as it is a small market. Apple is only expected to sell 5 million iPad Pros in 2024.
AT this point the Ipad is just a powerful Smart monitor
the new keyboard doesn't work with the air. only the last gen keyboard works with air.
I would definitely buy it, if there would be a "macOS mode", so I could switch to a full Mac experience, when the Magic Keyboard is being connected. But that is not the case!!! So no.
I spent my hard earned money to buy iPad Pro M2 and its accessories. I just wanted to upgrade my pencil to the new one, but I can’t. If I want it the I have to buy practically the same iPad (iPad air M2) or spend thousands for the iPad Pro (which I don’t need, my current iPad is great). For me this is outrageous, having to buy everything again just to use a pencil is just too much. Definitely I’ll skip this iteration of iPads (and probably the next one too)
Forgot implies they intended to say, but didnt. The correct term would be didnt mention.
Also I dont understand why people keep comparing the ipad to the mac. it is a portable computing device. But it is not intended to be a software dev tool, its not intended to run macOS. A fanless macOS exists and its called the macbook AIr, and all the limitations of the air is what you would see in macOS on an ipad.
Feeling bad about tech being outdated in 7 months is silly. I have never once bought tech thinking it will be a financial investment. Its almost never the case that used tech past launch date will resell at cost. You lose money immediately. Apple is a company and will continue to make more and better chips and update the lineup incrementally so they can sell you more devices for an eco-system.
Its the best Tablet on the market period. And it does tablet things better than all other tablets. id rather see proper keyboard and mouse support come to the iphone before seeing macOs come to ipadOs in any capacity. This move alone with proper external display from an iphone would decimate macbook and ipad sales.
most people dont need more than their phone, most jobs supply a computer to use for work purposes. People who have side hustles or businesses will buy their own machine for their own work and profit off the work which will offset the cost. The more you pay the better and more powerful device you will have.
Apple's solution. If you need desktop on the cheap then get a mac mini.
if pricing is too much for any device its not for you. Not everyone drives a BMW Mercedes Audi Lexus etc.
cant wait for my 1tb nano 13" ipad pro so i can read outside by the pool this summer. And I can't wait to carry around my 1tb 11" ipad pro m4 around the house for content consumption and facetime calls.
if i need to do real work i sit at my desk and use my machines designed for real work.
Those are my thoughts exactly. The monotony of people complaining that the iPad does not do the stuff they want is boring. It is a tablet with a mobile OS that has been around since day one. Buy a Mac and iPad, and the problem is solved. It is not rocket science, even if the iPad is only a cheaper model or older model.
Hey buddy, you are by for one of the best. Most honest reviewers out there. I appreciate your honesty. Everything you said was spot on. I’m tired of drinking the apple Kool-Aid. They constantly gloss over important info and deceive consumers and the greed is overwhelming. It’s a huge slap in the face we have to upgrade every piece of the puzzle. Greed, greed, greed, and arrogance with Mr. clown leading the pack. I’m sorry I don’t subscribe to their bullshit anymore. Besides new reports of OLED display issues that they’re not mentioning. Anyway, the Internet needs more guys like you being upfront and honest and I thank you for that.
Thank you 😊
no upgrade for me, second generation Ipad Pro does me, thanks but no thanks i'd rather buy M3 15inch air (keyboard already included)
Thanks for the video & get well soon. I think Apple sees the iPad as its flagship consumer 'computer', before the MacBook Air, and sales figures appear to reflect this. It also appears they are targeting the content design/creation market with the iPad Pro & leveraging the tablet form-factor for this - RIP Wacom? Let's see how many 3D design apps get released over the coming years following Maxon Z-Brush & Shapr3D, especially with ray-traced renders now viable. Other tablets may be trying to mimic a desktop GUI but for these targets, iPadOS+Cloud is fine & eliminates traditional OS cruft. But many won't see it that way until it directly emulates the old desktop OS'.
Have you tried to drop your video workflow onto iPad as yet?
I did have a play with Resolve, but for me the limiting factor is always the file management in iPadOS. I would like to experiment some more, but I might need to wait for WWDC to see if they fix anything.
@@ConstantGeekery apparently FCPv2 will allow direct use of external storage now but I'm unsure about Resolve.
Information Mgt in iPadOS definitely needs work but I don't want a lift & shift of desktop file systems. I was hoping it would replace folders with tags (kind of like gmail, unlike SharePoint). If any vendor/device could usher this in, it would be Apple/iPad.