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Hi I know your not a dentist but is there any way you can talk about teeth and smiles. 😁
you have the perfect hair color
I honestly don't understand why some people feel offended, this method is probably the least problematic of them all. It makes you understand that it doesn't make sense to compare yourself to other women, especially women that have a different height and different bone structure.
I personally found that I was a SD and it made me have so much more confidence. Now I know what looks good on me and it's takes out so much stress out of my life.
Same, when I found out I’m a SC I gained so much confidence and stopped comparing myself
I think the people with issues may be still trying to compare themselves. This system has been so helpful for me to stop trying to be like the beautiful women around me and start appreciating my beautiful self. I hope every woman in the world gets to feel like that someday.
Agreed! It’s a system that is accepting of our figures and doesn’t try to camouflage them. It works with the shapes that we are.
Everyone is offended if you do not say they're hourglass, and from the 60's to the 90's when no one WANTED to look curvy, they'd be offended if you said they were hourglass, people are silly
@@essies4294 Marilyn was hourglass and was desired so idk what country or universe you were living in where women didn't want to be hourglass in the 60s-90s
I don't get why people get offended. He's litteraly showing us that every body type is beautiful!
They even get offended that someone else than Kibbe dares to introduce the Kibbe system to an audience. Well, Kibbe is not god, and even Einstein's theories need to be communicated via professors. Einstein is not coming from the hereafter to explain his theories to you personally and that doesn't take away from the complexity of his theories. So, if dead intellectuals can put up with having their complex concepts being conveyed through educators, Kibbe can put up with his system being addressed by youtubers! 😄
@@Analysis_Paralysis I think she does a better job of clarifying the concepts anyway.
They are secretly insecure about their own body and want to project their misery on others particularly those that are trying to help them.
@@di3486 This is exactly what it is.
Yes I agree!
I agree completely with your “I needed to be put in a category to feel comfortable “ statement. As a romantic, i always felt there was something wrong with my body until I discovered Kibbe’s system.
Me too. It was a revolution. Much love for you my romantic sista 😆
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Same! I'm also a Romantic and could never figure out why none of the clothes I liked looked good on me. 🤦♀️
Many people feel that way. Many search a "failure" within themselves or in "the system" like modern fashion world when things don't work whereas in the end it is as simple that people are just differently built and we have tons of different cloth which looks very differently depending how your body is built. And the huge question is always the "why" in detail. Why looks this good and that not.
And while it is technically true that everyone can wear what he wants and everyone is unique, it is a fact that we have a certain biology built sense of harmony and when a small dainty person is drowning in an oversized massiv coat or a long wide boned person is restrained from to many fussy exaggerated details it seems less harmonious. Because you work activly against the body. Whereas once you work WITH the body things seem more harmonious.
Oh that's amazing )))
So many youtubers started doing videos on these bodytypes, you really started a trend
Yes I'm so proud of her 😍😍😍
Yes, Aly, you are the best and I thank you so much!
People are so easily offended this days... If you don't want anyone to tell you what to wear, why do you clicked her video? So annoying
Yes, people have to acknowledge that there are natural boundaries to things. The only thing that's unlimited is the universe. All other things have limits to themselves. How can one be offended by being educated on the existing boundaries. A fish is a fish. If a fish wants to live on a tree, it will have to discover that it cannot do so. It's sheer stupidity to tell a fish that it can live outside water. "Dreams" have a limit, too: It's called reality.
Finally somebody said that! If you don't like someone typing you or being "put in a box", you shouldn't be watching a body type video in the first place.
Haha just what I was thinking...why even follow styling advice jif you "just want to do what u want"? 😅
Amen!
Makes sense actually)) Thank you for the comment!
You don't need to make a 30mn video to justify yourself because 5% of people who watch your videos got offended. Just keep going and think of us, the 95%, who love your work on kibbe!
This
Yup ..
Haters are gonna hate
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They are not all haters !
You know.
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Thank you! ))
Yeah probably like 99% vs 1% actually...remember - on the internet the people who scream the loudest get all the attention and therefore drown out the "silent majority." This give the impression that they represent way more people than they actually do. Remember - it's just the nature of the beast...those on the ends of the bell curve are always the most vocal.
To me, learning about the body types was a revelation. How long had I tried to imitate naturals because this body type has been on trend for so long...Also, I always felt "wrong" or boring because nothing about my body or my face sticks out. I am neither tall nor petite, neither sharp nor rounded, neither dry nor luscious...when I learnt I am a soft classic suddenly everything made sense and I could finally embrace my essence. Now I can use my balanced lines to my advantage.
Same here. After so much confusion and trying to look special, imitating gamines or drowning myself in natural oversize clothing, I've learned, that wearing "boring clothes" actually looks really good on me. Back then I saw Alys video, understood nothing at that time, did the test and the result was soft classic. I watched all the SC examples in Aly's videos, compared them with what I had worn in the past - and immediately understood, that I always felt pretty good when I had (unknowingly) worn clothes according to the SC ID. But the real revelation came when I read David's book and especially when I joined the Kibbe groups on FB. There's so much more to David Kibbe's system then "looking your best". Instead there's so much depth and truth and self discovering in it. Hard or impossible to understand for some, sad that they need to talk it down, or even David as a person, or the mods of the groups.
@@Flippinger hi! I can't decide what type am I, because going through different tests and quizzes actually confused me even more. I am 168 cm tall and I have soft hourglass figure, I lean towards soft classic the most, cos I have no "too much" in me, it is all kind of balanced but at the same time I am not very angular. Do you maybe have some videos to suggest with what could a SC be wearing on a normal casual days in life? Thank you in advance
Are you referring to casual clothes? My view is that classic types, SC, C, & DC, have the easiest time dressing for office work.
@@ifetayodavidson-cade5613 yes, casual outfit suggestions would be really appreciated
@@sve_tiko No, I don't have videos to suggest. I would join the Kibbe groups on FB, as I already wrote, they are the best to learn about David's system.
Don’t worry too much about upsetting people by “misrepresenting” Kibbe. I have always found the way you present the concept to be very organized and easy to understand. It makes sense the way you explain the material.
I don’t know that much about “essence” yet, but having rather lost my sense of style (and a bit of who I was) and now rediscovering it, I was frustrated until I found your videos. I would find clothing I liked, but it didn’t look right when I put it on. By starting with the idea of figuring out what shapes, angles, and drape or stiffness suited my frame and flesh, I could more easily choose items to wear that I liked, and that also looked on me how I wanted them to look.
I think you’re doing a great job.
Yes indeed! Aly, you've done great - the conclusions matter, but what matters more is hearing your thinking process, coupled with your amazing sense of organisation and combining insight (intellectual) with connection (emotional).
I think it comes across really clearly that you are trying to understand the system just like everybody else is.This means that sometimes we will misunderstand things on the way. I see many comments on read it and other places that you are recommended as a person to watch to understand more about kibbe because your approach is so thoughtful.
This comment is so 100% me ;D
Thank you! Wow that's great ))
Elyssa made a really interesting video on essence, however not really based on Kibbe. But it could be helpful nonetheless :)
Also, agreed: Aly's videos are great!
24:12 "a body can be curve dominant, length dominant or frame dominant" --looking forward to the video about this!! This would clear up a lot of confusion
Most interesting part!!
This theory was a game changer for me
Me too! That confuses me a lot. The top examples for Dramatics are of women with straight waists and very sharp facial features.
When I saw that Taylor Swift, who is very tall, ok, but has a defined waist, softer flesh and a doll-like face was a Dramatic and not a Soft Dramatic I was, and still am, confused.
I’m looking forward to this video!
@@Fernandanatac she does have some slight softness, but anyone can have that. I mean, every type can have a defined waist and a cute face. But she doesn't have any prominent curves, like a Soft Dramatic would. If you compare her to Soft Dramatic women, you 'll see the difference. So she is closer to the pure Dramatic
I don’t really understand the frame part
Aly, please do NOT APOLOGIZE EVER to people that 1) don’t deserve your attention 2) are miserable 3) will be never satisfied. Keep using whatever terms you want.
Its so unfortunate people got you wrong... I believe i got everything you tried to convey by your videos. Lots of love dear queen!
Absolutely! We watch these videos because we want guidance - of course we know we don't have to follow it :)
Same here. Everything was crystal clear to me.
YEs, 1,000 times yes!
Thank you! )))
I can't wait for the "build a sillohette" video. This is what I am most focused on when buying or wearing outfits.
Same! I understand my recommendations pretty well now I’m ready to learn how to better utilize them
YES!
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@@lucillebennet4233 No one caresssss
@@Springfairy92 I was just sharing my experience nothing more.
I'm so sorry for all the backlash you and D.K. got. Actually, I would love to read an updated version of his book. Also I would like to thank you for sharing Kibbe experience with all of us. Before your channel I had no idea about myself, essence, the way I just looked. But thanks to you I FINALLY know how to look the best way possible. You have no idea how important your videos are to me. Thank you very much!!!
Yes! Imagine a new Kibbe book 😍 that would be so exciting! 🥰
yeah so many from the hardcore DK fans criticised her, but seriously the topic isn't easy to understand and she alaways tries to be respectful and only thanks to her the idea of the system spread and helped so many people dressing and feeling better of themselves.
Oh I'm so happy about it! Thank you Nastya! )))
I think that the essence is described very well by the Ethereal Typology based on Kibbe's system:
getthelook.pl/ethereal-typology-by-olga-brylinska/
Seriously, there should be an updated version.
People are now calling his own words misinformation, yet how should we read his mind or what? Following the book was the most respectful thing to do. And if there is no other clear source people are continuing to refer to it.
My personal experience is that I could never understand why some clothes/hairstyles looked amazing on other people and when I tried them on myself I was severely disappointed because I either looked like I was trying too hard, playing dress up, or looked like a boy. It ofc led to some personal insecurities as well. Learning about the Gamine body type was like a huge revelation because I could finally understand why! So now if I try something and I find that it just doesnt work, I'm just like "Oh, that could be the Gamine-ness". And the "rules" just help me to pay attention to what I can change about the look so that I like it more. So for me, it was more about understanding WHY things worked or didnt work rather than trying to find the "correct rules" to follow.
Also, in terms of the test, one question asks about the length of your bones or something like that...my bf recently pointed out that I have relatively long arms and short legs so I guess I really am a mish-mash of things lol. No wonder why I couldnt decide what type of Gamine I am
All of this just to say that I like finding my "type" because it helps me understand "why" but I dont strictly live my life according to them and their rules because we come in all different shapes, sizes and combinations. And whether or not something looks "good" is highly subjective.
Yes!! I am gamine and I have long arms and short legs as well
oooh! I am in a constant debate wether I'm a SN or a FG and y ALWAYS get all confused about the arms/legs thing bc I have long arms and short legs too. Maybe that is a gamine feature??!
@The Dark Overlord oh this sounds like an interesting aspect. I've never read about the essences so that may shed some more light as well. I'll take a read when I get a chance.
@@fearless8460 Lol I know the struggle. And the question seems to assume that your arm bones and leg bones will fall in the same category.
Maybe height may be the deciding factor for you. It seems that Gamines tend to be on the petite side. Maybe this link can help:
theconceptwardrobe.com/kibbe-body-types/the-13-kibbe-body-types-their-clothing-lines#natural
I think you taught many of us the most important thing: self acceptance.
Knowing that I am different but can still beautiful. I am still valid, even though I don't fit the mould of fashion.
I learned that because you were honest about the differences. There is beauty in every shape.
Just yesterday I read some posts in the Kibbe subreddit and in other blogs saying something like: people who teach Kibbe are mere interpreters and shouldn't be taken seriously because the only authorized voice is David Kibbe himself, and since he's still offering consultations (at $1,500 a day, apparently) we shouldn't be led astray by the likes of you. I thought it was very unfair to lump everyone together and also to imply that these interpreters are purposely misleading or even scamming us.
I'd love to have the original source (his '80s book) but I can't afford it and it's also outdated, so relying on modern interpreters is super helpful. I learned about this system because of you and I'm immensely thankful because it has made me like and accept my body as it is. Everyone is bound to make mistakes now and then, even Kibbe, and so I don't think it's a problem as long as we acknowledge and correct them. I'm staying here and I can't wait to hear what your body type is!
You might be able to find it at your local library. Mine has it.
@@just_peace he helps people on the facebook group though
If I need a consultation I need to send a photo and pay 15000? What do you mean 15000 a day?
@@BlackPinkize According to what I've read, David Kibbe offers a 3 day in-person (no Skype or long distance) consult, but sometimes he offers a 1 day consult as well. The prices vary from time to time and I've read that people in his Facebook group (Strictly Kibbe) may get a discount. Everyone's reluctant to talk about money, but one person mentioned that the 1 day consult was $1,500. They didn't specify if that's the base rate or what's included, because you're supposed to go shopping for new clothes and also get a new hairstyle. Another person said "In total, I spent probably about $4900 on my trip to NYC to see David, stay in the hotel, eat food, be transported around, get my hair done, and shop".
Very true
You are a nice person. People who get offended too easily should maybe get off of the internet, get healthy, get fit, get a hobby and get a life.
Amen!
louder!!!!!
You snapped.
victim hood is currency now
I trust you and your interpretation of the book more than I trust Kibbe nowadays. I feel like he's going on weird tangents ("be yourself" and blah blah blah) because he's not as sure as he was about his theory.
I think the biggest struggle for people trying to figure out the kibbe system is training their eyes to see the differences he talks about. it doesn't happen overnight, and it takes a lot of time a dedication to understand exactly what he means. it took me years to type myself accurately and see the differences of angles in people. it can definitely be frustrating
So true! I had no idea HOW different shoulders can be for example. I cannot go to the gym anmore without analysing bodies in yin and yang aspects 😅
Your videos changed my perception of my body. I used to hate the way I looked and felt so uncomfortable in my skin but since discovering Kibbe through you it started me on my self love journey. Now I have a lot more confidence and love for my appearance. I see the types as a guide
Your videos helped me a lot 🥰. I think your interpretation of kibbe's work is already superior to his work. It is not unusual for a student to best his teacher. I'm very insecure about my body but I've never felt offended by you. I think you are very respectful and kind. When a person gets offended by what you say it has more to do with that person's emotional baggage than with you.
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The most important thing I learned from your videos, and Kibbe is that I can follow my own body and style, instead of feeling that I need to CORRECT something about my body!
Exactly!
I agree with you Aly. Without pure types I think we missing a lot.
I'm really interested in your interpretation of modern examples of the body types!
I find it so sad that creators have to explain themselves this way so that no one is offended. I have learned so much from you and I understand the kind of language you use. Tbh, you may understand the topic more than Kibbe himself. Sometimes, the feelings are more important than measurments and exact descriptions.
Word!
Exactly, but can you tell me if she revealed what's her kibbe body type is?
@@Weeping_lover she is a gamine, but I don't remember which type
@@johana_m i think flamboyant because she did tell she looked kinda straight to Marilyn
The wording about clothes, fabrics etc that are not in harmony with someone’s lines “looking separate” is still good and helpful, I think.
Carole Jackson's Color Me Beautiful book said, "we are the last to see ourselves objectively." True. Thanks for doing all these informative videos. Great work Aly. :)
Aly, I want to let you know that I struggle with eating disorders and body image issues and your videos literally changed my life because they helped me see the beauty, the femininity, the glam, the decadence of my body type (romantic). I feel like modern fashion trends are not catering towards romantic body types, so I just feel encouraged to go to the past for inspiration and I'm loving it so much. Trust me the people who are unhappy with your content are a loud minority, your videos have had such an amazing positive impact on me as I'm sure lots of other people will agree. Have faith in what you do you gorgeous woman! What you do is helping so many people x Peace and love xxx
Thanks to Kibbe and your way of interpreting the book, I finally understood why some makeup looks look so bad on me even though my makeup skills are fairly okay. I stopped trying to follow trends and started embracing my natural lines of the face with the help of makeup.
Same!
“Same white shirt can be worn by any type” unless you’re me, the irresponsible coffee-drinker type.
Wow, ahah
Meeeeee!!! 😬🙋🏻♀️
HAHAHAHAHHA that was my first though too
or me, the rushed noodle-eater type 😂
Or someone who loves red pasta sauce!
People get so caught up in semantics. I think you’re doing an amazing job clarifying the Kibbe theories. I’m loving it.
Kibbe recommendations (even though I believe I was not quite on the mark) have REALLY helped me save money and not be frustrated with clothing purchases that I later realize don’t work for me. Style ID makes trends and clothing choices not so overwhelming
In my opinion, David Kibbe wants to be the only voice for his theory, and casts doubt on anyone else. They can't know because they are not him. This is nonsense. He wrote a book, so that people can study it and know it for themselves.
I agree. I was in his Facebook group for a while where he would post comments... I got strong cult-of-personality vibes. I love the system, but not the man.
I wrote a letter to David Kibbe asking him to run a training program for teachers of Kibbe. He said he may consider it.
He sounds like a narcisist
What's so bizarre about it is that ying/yang body geometry started before him. Natural, Romantic, Dramatic, Ingenue, Gamine, and Classic archetypes where already outlined by other authors.
He made it in a way that we’ll never know for sure unless we see him in person, some SNs reveals I think are tiny everywhere and he sees width in them; ‘Style Thoughts by Rita’ makes vids here about his system thought she was a SN, but was typed FN...
You are so, so, wise and not just in fashion, makeup and hair. You have deeper wisdom that is so wonderful and helpful. Thanks for all you do!
I am so used of thinking Aly is a soft gamine that now I can’t imagine her being anything else! 😆 I will be looking forward for her next video 😊
I didn’t see her being some other type too! That was an impact for me 🤣
What type do you think she is now? I’m curious…
@@user-ul6cs1ln6q SN ,??🤷♀️
The video will probably be up same time next Sunday! 🙌🏻 That's at least what I'm hoping. 😊
I thought she is a flamboyant gamine?
@@user-ul6cs1ln6q I was thinking she may be Gamine!
I love a long video! Thanks so much for making it.
Thank you Susan!
me too!.. I was so glad to see that it's a long video this time😊
Aly, you are incredible. When you started the body type series, you put into better words while using contemporary examples why certain clothing and styles looked good, bad, awful, or incredible on me. A shout out to David Kibbe as well as yourself for making me feel wonderful the way I am and for teaching me to accentuate my unique assets. You've also been very clear that this was David Kibbe's work and, personally, I know it was never your intention to offend or provide a strict set of rules that could never be broken or we'd become ugly stepsisters. I'm still not 100% certain on my body type but I'm trying shapes, styles, and fabrics that I feel will accentuate what I know I DO have and what makes me feel good. I'm not quite there yet but I know it's a process. I believe people need to approach this system from a more organic point of view and quit seeing it from a strict, legalistic do's and don'ts of fashion policing - which is why we looked to the body types system in the first place. Finally, I think David Kibbe should speak on more contemporary, accessible platforms about these matters himself. But, to each their own. Anyway, thank you Aly for sharing your heart and for your kindness.
this is such an amazing comment :)
I've been following your channel specifically for the Kibbe series for a while now and I just want to say it has definitely changed the way I perceive my appearance. I never really got to the point of being "obsessed" with the body types because I never completely related to the lines Kibbe assigned the body I typed myself as. However I was eager to learn more because of how much this system has made me change my view on styling and human bodies in general. Much of that learning I did through your videos so I am happy to witness your journey and update my knowledge alongside you. Thank you for sharing with us this information and putting so much effort into this project.
You're a hard worker and you care about those who watch you. Much respect for this video as well. Love you
You are the best at Kibbe. No one else understands it on CZcams better than you.
I never felt like myself until I saw your videos. You helped me find out that I was Theatrical Romantic. People are too easily offended and I do not know why they watch your videos simply to complain. Clearly the video was made for us who enjoys having a category. Thank you Aly for doing these videos! Kibbe and you helped me realize that everyone is beautiful and to enhance what we already have. Not to pretend we are someone else.
It finally clicked today what body “type” I am after rewatching all of your videos over and over again (maybe I should consider going to source material). How it clicked finally was thinking about my essence more deeply, how others viewed me, and how I viewed myself. I thought about how my fiancé sees me and how babies and dogs see me. I viewed the differences in my body growing up always feeling like my frame was “thick” while still being 5’1. Finally understood why I could be super dainty but still feel more “body”. It clicked that I have a romantic body if I have to chose one of them, and I am extremely satisfied and at peace with this. I’m excited to embrace my femininity and what my “essence is”.
From one non native English to another, for what it's worth, I think your videos are great! You do a tremendous job in explaining yourself and you are very clear and precise. I love that! Keep em coming
We love a humble queen ❤️
Queen ???
You're so dramatic
I love categorising myself, I love taking all the tests, writing down my results, perfecting my own knowledge about myself - glad to hear I’m not the only one.
I have a huge problem with the way Kibbe has reacted to people using his typing system. When you create a system that is intended to be used as a TOOL for people to help make their lives easier and more enjoyable, they have to have some freedom to be able to use that tool as it works for them and for others. To call yourself the sole arbiter of knowledge of who is what type, when you designed your system to specifically be used by others, is in my opinion, narcissistic and unrealistic. There is simply no reason to be so rigid about how people use your system when your original purpose was to pass knowledge onto others. It’s like he’s trying to maintain sole ownership of the idea of the typing system. You cannot maintain ownership of an IDEA when it has become public knowledge. Just like you have no control over how people interpret your art once you’ve decided to show it to the world.
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Not to mention that his system is an extension of the ones created by his predecessors : McJimsey and Northrup. I understand that he would want to clear up any confusion or misunderstandings about his system, as people could misquote him. But this territorial and secretive attitude that parts of the Kibbe community displays is dumbfounding. What’s the purpose? I’d much rather stay in this corner of the internet where people are positive and supportive of each other lol
I strongly disagree with you. He's not being secretive, he's up to stop being linked to people who missinform others *using his name* , that's all. There's a person in the comments, Lux, she has explained it better than me.
There is a difference between "hey guys you're kinda misinterpreting some aspects of my idea and I'd like to address that" versus "i am the oNLY person who can officially type people and no one else's opinion is valid!!!" that'd be like if JK Rowling said she was the only person who could sort people into Hogwarts Houses and no one else's sorting is valid. Especially the fact that a cisgender white male is being territorial over a system he created that is supposed to be used to categorize women's bodies just really rubs me the wrong way.
@GAgaV8 You're asking if sex/gender matters when it comes to a man typing/categorizing women's bodies for profit? Yes, it absolutely matters. I encourage you to learn about the male gaze, or the fact that men have dominated the fashion industry throughout time and have completely controlled the narrative of how society views and sells women's bodies. To address your second point, I have already said in a separate comment that I think it is unethical and probably illegal to sell consultations of typing other people with Kibbe's system, especially using his name. However, simply talking about his system or using it as a tool to type yourself and others for free and calling it "Kibbe body types" inherently gives him credit as the creator, just like "Myers-Briggs personality types" will always give credit to Isabel Myers and Katharine Briggs. I am simply addressing the fact that he is treating content creators and people generally on social media as if none of their opinions about typing are valid because they are not HIS opinion, and that is simply bullshit.
People getting offended by a word...by avoid ????? Really ? Lol
not being insensitive but its plain stupid. You dont have to agree with her shes just giving us a sense of direction. if u don't like it, Then just leave her page.
Fr lol ridiculous
Aly please know that to many of us you are the Kibbe guru. I think you do an excellent job of interpreting Kibbe for our era and your videos are always well made and informative. Looking forward to your next one. 😀💕
I'm curious about the reveal!👀
Me too! Can't wait. Maybe she is a TR after all?? :D
i would bet on FG
SN maybe?🤷♀️
Ingenue most probably as she said only 5 types. McJimsey had a sixth type called Ingenue. That's what Kibve based his System on.
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I appreciate all the effort you have put into making these very informative Kibbe videos. I am very much looking forward to your next project and a return to your older style videos. I love your channel.
Aly, your realisation makes me smile. I remember making a comment on your Theatrical Romantic make-up video, in which I express my surprise that even though you're a soft gamine, you look incredibly good in Theatrical Make-up and hair. Now I get the phenomenon. You were actually wearing YOUR make-up, because all along you were a Theatrical Romantic. Aaah!
Aaahhh!
My thoughts exactly 😆 Can't wait for her grand revelation!
You don't have to justify yourself, dear Aly! 💕 Critics will always be there, but their opinions don't matter. There's a lot more people who are grateful for what you've been teaching us, it has helped us to love our unique bodies types. 😊
Since I've discovered you and the Kibbe system, I've not felt offended by the word "masculine" even once, I am now more educated on observing different features and am embracing my yang. I used to be offended by my "masculine" features before discovering you, but not so anymore. :)
I'm looking forward to your future videos and the topic you've addressed. 💗 It's going to be fun!
Same here! I've really learned to love the yang/masculine!
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I hate the cattiness around kibbe. People love to throw shade and act like they themselves are the experts, or attack more prominent channels/sites to gain cheap credibility. I can't afford a trip to NYC and getting typed in person, and anyone who tells me ally, merriam, and all the others are hurting me and not helping are full of it! Sorry, but i love these ladies because they take the essence of Dk's lovely heart and brilliant oberservations and make them available to us. From there we can run with it and make the look that we want, and i think that's what it's all about! Aly does an excellent job of respectfully and lovingly describing each type and person and letting us compare / contrast to develop an eye for ourselves without saying one is better than another. That is so valuable!! I love having general principles for online shopping, outfit building, and giving informed opinions if others ask me my thoughts. I learned this from Aly and other online folks, and all is thanks to DK! Much love to the community and the content creators, to Kibbe himself, and to all of us on our ever-evolving journeys 🥰
Amen to this sister.
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Merriam has diverted somewhat from "pure" Kibbe and created her own system; for example her understanding of height and vertical line is quite different than Kibbe's, but I agree her videos are very helpful. I wish instead of bashing them, David Kibbe or another "authorized voice" would correct their mistakes and clarify misconceptions.
Definitely agree! Getting dressed should be fun, and these are tools that enable us to achieve flattering looks. Anyone who is territorial or hostile about this information confuses me... we’re not here to be judgemental and feed our own ego. We benefit more from being open-minded and helping each other out. It’s hard enough as it is lol.
@@rdpcl i agree! I appreciate marriam because she has a technical approach whereas Kibbe's is less technical. Obviously both are valuable but when getting my mind around my type and ID'ing lines, i like merriam's way of describing since it's more precise. I love DK and Aly as well because i think their emotional/personal touch really puts the technical knowledge into perspective and help me not to take things too seriously or get frustrated. I think everyone has something to add to the conversation as long as their heart is in the right place and they have a grasp of the lines/essences/etc.
P.s. i am so with you, i wish DK was direct with addressing others who talk about the types. I feel like he kind of scares people off from discussing it and discredits people who love what he has created and just want to share it with others? He seems like such a positive and accepting soul, so i assume his reaction to others typing each other is in good faith(?)
You made me feel comfortable with my body and I'm so thankful for that. I feel so much better because everything makes sense now after all these videos. You are my favourite CZcamsr. Thank you so much honestly 💗
Aly, I rarely comment on videos but I wanted to let you know that your Kibbe videos and interpretation of his theory helped me a lot all those years ago and I watch them to this day. I always struggled to understand why most clothes and hairstyles look bad on me, especially more feminine things just made me look ridiculous when I’ve seen all this other people looking great in them. When I discovered I was a gamine it all just made sense. Now I know what to wear to make me look good and also not feel like a 12 yo boy in his mother’s clothes. And I’m extremely thankful for that! I used to think there was something wrong with me and my body but now I know what works for me and I’m happy with my style.
To all the people getting offended by the word “avoid” it’s not like anyone is making you follow this rules. To listen to them or not is 100% your choice so there’s no need to get offended.
"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain." - looks like this quote will suit him! Love your work, and it already helped me a lot!!
Kibbe is cool and all but I've always watched your videos for YOUR opinions and way of seeing things. It's normal for opinions to change, I like to see what YOU find interesting or worth exploring even when it changes because you are so thoughtful and astute! Love your channel!
I see the pure Naturals, Gamines and Classics as well! I was confused when David Kibbe said he wasn't using those anymore. I have typed my close family and friends just for my own understanding of the Kibbe system and some of them are the pure types and I could not put them in any other categorie.
When I first found you, I felt like you were very interested in showing women that every body structure can be beautiful and showcase your unique features instead of trying to look like one standard, which I think is absolutely wonderful. Thank you so much for encouraging others to stop trying to look like one ideal and instead embrace themselves and other types, seeing the beauty in everyone.
I still don't like my broad shoulders (I'm a Soft Natural), and I dress in ways to minimize them, but it's nice to know that there are those that love and embrace their broad shoulders as something beautiful.
First of all to the people who don't understand: David Kibbe never claimed he was the one who was the originator this whole yin/yang theory of the bodies. There are several other systems like Kitchener, McJimsey etc.
Anyone can interpret it however they want, create their own system (Body Geometry, Truth is Beauty etc.) BUT.
The only problem when people start to offering consultations usually for money, spreading misinformations ("tall gamines/romantics" and all that good stuff) under the name of David Kibbe. David said himself that no one is qualified/trained/licensed to do that. Anyone can make their own yin yang system and do their own idea, but don't call it Kibbe because it is not, it's that simple.
I saw some very funky paid "typing" on Kibbe subreddit by Merriam, CozyRebekah and their "friends"
(I'm talking about 5'8"-5'10" SGs and TRs) and it's very sad that these people are getting 100$+ for their nonsense.
To be clear, I'm not talking about Aly here, i personally think she is one of the best out there who can understand the system decently, and does not "sell" consultations (as far a i know)
personally, unless kibbe himself said the limit was 5"8 for gamines and romantics... i believe only women over 5'10" cant be those thing . audrey hepburn was typed as a gamine by kibbe himself. she is 5'7". are you really going to sit here and tell me that the 1 or 2 inch difference between some one who is 5'7" and 5'8" - 5'9" is going to stop them from being typed as romantic or gamine? no. 1-2 inches is barely noticeable on most people. while i agree that very tall women cant really be typed as gamine or romantic. the only place in the world 5'8" is considered to be quite tall is in asian cultures and america. the whole of europe/africa and most islands, the average height of women is 5'7".
@@bethanyday3471 The height limit is 5’5” for gamines and romantics. Also: celebrity typing is not to be taken seriously because they embody the image ID through their celebrity image only. Kibbe doesn’t even consider their heights. He also typed celebrities by using faces only, so it’s not to be taken seriously. They’re style inspirations for the image ID they’re representing.
@@bethanyday3471 I have this problem; I'm 5'7' and either a dramatic or a FG, but FG looks better on me (fitted clothes/ tulip skirts, broken lines, high neckline, high contrast vivid colours, asymmetric hemlines, cropped fitted tops). I suppose I am mixed due to a long torso and shorter legs.
I agree that people should not be charging other people money to be consulted about their Kibbe type. If not simply for the fact that it is not their place to be making money with someone else's name. Free typing? Sure. Being paid to style someone according to their Kibbe type after they've discovered their type on their own? Sure. But charging people money simply to "be typed" is unethical, in my opinion (and probably not legal? not sure).
@@elektrakomplexet Exactly. David himself said that celebrities are only image identity/essence inspirations not literal examples. He never looked up their height and not even met most of them.
About the height thing... many people does not seem to understand that, let's say 5'8" will be 5'8" in Asia and in America as well (and any other part of world as well). It doesn't matter what the avarage height in a certain country; yes there will be probably more gamines in e
East Asia and more D/FN/SD in Northern Europe. Why is that a probem, honestly.
You made me understand my body better and actually love it more! I always felt the pressure to dress "more mature" and finding out I'm some kind of gamine literally made me stop feeling inadequate!
I've found your Kibbe videos to be so helpful! They have literally the only fashion advice that has made sense to me... I'm still a little confused about what my type might be, but I've been able to get rid of a lot of things that I now know for sure don't suit me, and I love my closet so much more now!
"Looking as close to yourself as possible" - I love this expression
Wow, this video was very enlightening! I've been following this series ever since you started it and I've really been trying to understand this theory, but I was never confident that I got it-- but THIS! The points you make in this video helped me see the essence of Kibbe's theory SO much clearer! I can't wait for the next videos 🌼
P.S.: Although the data you provide in the previous videos is essential, this relaxed explanation made the theory seem very simple and it also makes so much sense! I'd love to see you make more content like this, more relaxed, talkative and longer - and I'm SURE I'm not the only one ♥️
Thank you, Aly!
Something tells me you were on SK or the kibbe subreddit haha. people were very vocal about your videos and had debates on your accuracy. But those websites arguably gained followers because of your videos! You’re the perfect introduction to his work and made lots of people more serious about their lines. That’s how I got into it as well!
you’re such a sweetheart Aly. I’ve been watching you since you started these videos, I was a teenager. I remember I thought I was a classic first based on the test (i’m not). I’m literally 5’1. then, I thought theatrical romantic for a while. now, i’m pretty confident on Soft Gamine based on my body and also the style components. i try to explain Kibbe to people and I really value the rules of Kibbe and wish people could understand what each one means.
I learned about the Kibbe typing method thanks to you and it has completely changed my perspective on clothes and feeling good with what you have. After months of experimenting I finally found what works for me and understood my lines. I always felt more "Yang" in my appearance and now I learned how to use this to express my kind of feminine! All thanks to you! All the best to you from Poland :) Dziękuję
I love your content! Honestly, there's so much drama about structure in the world these days. I think it comes from people being obsessed with dissolving the status quo in our cultures. I LOVE that you're sticking to the Kibbe book because if it works, it works and if it doesn't, then it just doesn't! That's all there is to it. Thanks for keeping your integrity! You've gained a new loyal follower in me :)
No one has ever explained better the necessity of comparison; it doesn't have a negative connotation at all. Science is based on comparing data. To understand certain information, we need to compare it to other, similar information. Negative connotation only comes when we assert that A concept is the only correct one to explain certain things. In this case, all body types are beautiful; it's only categories.
To all you people out there: if you don’t want anyone to tell you who you are, what you should wear, what type of body you have, etc, etc, then don’t watch these videos and then turn around and squawk like outraged chickens! Be who you are, wear what you want, don’t care about your body type, etc, etc. Go make your own videos, show everyone how “perfect” your content would be (sic), and shut up 🙄. All the more power to you!
Aly, your channel is the bomb! 💕💕💕. I enjoy it immensely.
“Enlightened subjectivity”
This is a perfect description.
I appreciate it, thank you for sharing all of this.
Did he contact you or threaten to sue you? 🙈Though I appreciate the system, I don't believe that Kibbe is the only one who can type you. I can see how the massive spread of information online could be a threat to his business though, so I understand his need to claim he's the only one that can do it. Personally I really love your interpretation of it and the way you illustrate it by showing pictures. It has helped me a lot!
@@thekatvita What's absolutely ironic is that David Kibbe isn't even the originator of this kind of yin-yang classifcation, nor is the originator of the categories or language. It was a woman (McJimsey) and no one calls him on it and instead he and his strict followers come for others who have similar interpretations.
Some of the cult followers have been trolling the recent video and saying things like: "Kibbe has advised us to not listen to Aly and other youtubers." Or: "You don't know anything about Kibbe's system, unless you've joined the Facebook group, and you're not even entitled to talking about or discussing the body types otherwise."
At least I had this weird interaction with a troll under Aly's recent video. I asked her why she was there, if she wasn't supposed to be here...
@@Analysis_Paralysis It’s not about not being able to talk about his system or the image IDs. People from SK will of course react if you’re spreading clear misinformation about his system. And when people try to explain what he actually means you’re the one who refuses to listen by calling them “trolls”. If you don’t like his system then that’s fine, just don’t say something is quoted by Kibbe when it isn’t.
Found the Kibbe group troll lmao
@@MartinaGiovese Someone’s mad, lol.
I absolutely love how your knowledge of the Kibbe system has evolved x
I totally agree with you on categorization! We apply frameworks to math, art, science.... Frameworks on fashion just help us understand things better
Yes! This makes so much sense. I don’t know whether I am SC or SD (height nearer SD, essence more SC) but it doesn’t matter. I am simply applying basic guidelines: soft shapes, waist emphasis, neat & polished, etc and it’s working! 😊 I am getting my eye in, and when an outfit doesn’t work, I now know why. I think we don’t need a really strict understanding, we just need to get a “feel” for the principles of Kibbe, both our bone structure and essence merged with our personal style to look our individual best.
you are genuinely the *smartest* beauty guru on YT, you have such great insight and so little ego.
Keep doing what you do Aly, you are a star!
I spy the starship enterprise at 24:22!
Aly dear, we are all on our individual journey.
You have shared your experience and I have learned from you. Thank you.
I love that you stated that kindness is the opposite of evil. That is so important, especially in the time of the pandemic. ❤️❤️❤️
Before I ever knew about this theory I used to think that there was something wrong with my body, now I've realized that there's nothing wrong with me, it's just the clothes that I used to choose that didn't fit me as well as other body types. I just had to find what fitted me best. Thanks to you I found it, now I've learned to love myself a little bit more. I'm soft gamine AND PROUD♥️
I loove everything you said and say about the body types aly! And I think you also have the right to have your own interpretation! And as he wrote his book in the 80s, it does need interpretation, because the time and what he was referring to have changed. I have learnt so much from you aly, thank you for all of your videos
I love your Kibbe videos, because it helps me understand, too.
I appreciate the fact that you admitted your mistake and try reconsider the decisions once realised.
I think you have done a lovely job of presenting the spirit of women embracing how beautifully they are created.
I get almost 50%-50% C and Ds when I do the Kibbe test, but I am convinced my big crooked nose throws off my entire type. And no celebrities have a big nose so I struggle to type myself by comparing.
To my understanding the modern interpretation of Kibbe no longer takes facial features into consideration, only the body. Since your fave doesn’t affect how clothes fall on your body it isn’t necessary.
Remember that your type is about the overall balance of yin and yang, not individual features. One facial feature may contribute to your overall yin-yang balance, but it won't sway you to one type or another. A romantic is still a romantic if she has a pointy nose, a dramatic is still a dramatic if she has a round nose, and so on.
Also a good point by Lulu that facial features aren't important for your ID since you don't dress your face.
Please. There are many notably beautiful women - incl. actresses and models - who have prominent and / or crooked noses. Don't think about yours too much :) I'm sure people around you don't even notice as much as you do. Whatever your type will turn out to be, I'm sure you'll feel beautiful in your lines, both in your body and face.
You have put all of my understanding, thought and conclusions about Kibbe archetypes into words through this video. Great Job Aly. Don't worry about upsetting people. They always find something to get upset about!
I would've never known about Kibbe until I watched you. I think you're a positive light and influence
i think your look suits you really well; your understanding of the kibbe system really paid off!!!
When I discovered Kibbe few years ago, I found his system revolutionary and liberating, even though it is categorizing. I finally understood my body and stopped fighting it.or wasting money on clothes that could never work for me. It is a very honest system, so in order for it to work, one must be willing to see their body as it is, and accept it with all the "flaws". Keep up the good work Aly and don't apologize.
You helped me a lot Aly. I think that if someone is already satisfied with everything about him/herself shouldn't look for advice about self-improvement and also should not criticize the person that is helping those who want and needs those advices.
Your videos are very helpful. I appreciate the care you've taken in translating the information. Of course, nothing is ever too serious.
Watching your video and learning this system has helped me feel better about myself. I feel like I don't need to compare myself anymore to people because I now know and appreciate the things that are beautiful about me. And comparing is totally useless because we are all different.
I'm not gonna lie. You look really beautiful with shoulder length hair. But if you like short hair more, that's more important.
My favorite was when she had the wavy bob😄
@@karenramnath9993 same!
@@karenramnath9993 I agree. In my opinion, the wavy bob looks a lot more flattering on her more than the current straight bob.
Aly, I commend you for showing us this method. People have to take this book as a guideline and not so literally. I’ve learned a lot from you and from this book, so thank you!
People coming here and getting mad on an advice channel are a strange folk. You’re giving advice on what to wear to women asking for your advice 🤷♀️ if they don’t want to hear it, why are they participating in the conversation?
I learned a lot from your videos sbout body types especially what suits mine. Dont worry about all that noise others are making. You are not harming anyone so i dont see why theyre making it a big deal.
Time for retirement, Dave... "follow your dreams" "be whoever you want", very deep.
Yeah, like thanks, I know I can do what I want. Still want some guidelines. They help me greatly.
Is funny because people literaly pay him to be typed and get guidelines, I won't pay someone to just tell me "follow your dream" and some vague nonsence 😑😑
After visiting his Facebook page and seeing pictures of his wife or partner, I logged off and continued watching Aly’s videos. His wife is supposed to be a theatrical romantic but I would expect to see someone looking their best, especially his wife, and what I noticed was her clothes, not her. The clothes wears her in my opinion. I showed it to others and they agreed. I like Alys way of teaching what she sees and interprets from Kibbe. I also think Aly May be a FG.
Or a pure gamine because she looked beautiful with gamine makeup.
I think aly is TR or R. Probably TR tho. She looks best in romantic/tr clothes to me.
Edit: also she looks amazing with loosely curled hair.
Exactly. That's what I notice too.
The clothes of his wife are not even for TRs, sometimes they are stiff and cartoonish, Kibbe's clothes too, I think they try to be very loud for marketing reasons. I just can't get the reasons of what they are doing lol they are so weird and when I try ti read them in facebook I and up more confused, like, my native language its not english BUT they write worse than me lol, I can not get what they are saying, they don't use grammar at all and their style of communication is just bizarre to me.
@@minaharker6641 Yes, they seem super artsy to me but they give off this diva energy. And the moderator is rude as hell, she acts like she's their angry lapdog or something.
I have no doubt in my mind that I'm a romantic. Not a sharp line in sight. Just meat hanging off a stick.
😁 Same! Round wherever I look. ❤️
Same! 💁🏽♀️
Saaaaame! And this categorization helped me to accept it more and I am starting to find it more beautiful than I used to 🙌
you're very skilled at expressing your thought process, I love hearing your journey
All my life i tried to fit, to find what defines my body. The explanations never was completely satisfactory till you start to talk about this! Really helps me a lot to understand my shape and feel more secure about it.