Private Pilot Steep Turns - MzeroA Flight Training
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- čas přidán 27. 02. 2018
- m0a.com Steep turns were a maneuver I really struggled with way back in my training. I found myself always fighting the airplane. Climbing/descending, rolling out to early/late, etc... In this video I show you one of my best tricks you can use to get the airplane working for you.
Wow! Using Trim this precisely in steep turns was the single best tip I have received on executing steep turns consistently well. It also explains why I seemed to struggle with steep turns in one direction or the other. I could always do one steep turn well but them going to the opposite direction, I felt like I was fighting to keep altitude. Thank you! Thank you!
having this problem now in my training hopefully I can get everything straightened out b4 my checkride I haven’t been utilizing the trim during this maneuver so will definitely give it a go!
Jason, me too have to say wow! I am a student pilot, 58, waited 40 years to be able to accomplish this. With the check ride on my sights I was struggling with steep turns. I had to delay the check ride because I could not do them well within the standards, all else was fine, but somehow these steep turns were bothering me. Just a couple of days ago I went by myself and tried your technique,... BUM!!!, ... 😁bingo!!!! it worked perfectly. I tried them several times and the same result, just kept that plane leveled with no loss of altitude. Thank you so much man, I feel very confident now to take the check ride. Now accomplishing my dream is on wings!!!. Really appreciate all you do. God bless you, all you do and all the people that work with you. Keep up the good work. And I do not forget, a good pilot is always learning!!😁🤠😎
Can't thank you enough for helping me correct a irritating problem of altitude loss during this maneuver. Had my flight review last week and steep turns basically made my instructor request another try to sign me off. I also used your power on/off stalls videos to correct the flow and entry to make those maneuvers flow smoothly. Went to try the flight review again today and the CFI said that I was a completely different pilot than last attempt. Again your videos are awesome and so glad to have found them to correct my issues. Keep them coming as you are making us all safer and more proficient pilots! Just as you end your videos, a good pilot IS always learning!
Hey Jason, I’m currently working towards my CFI, and I love all the footage you capture with the externally mounted cameras! Your videos are great!
I love the videos from you guys. So helpful during my flight training! The camera angles are very constructive to understanding what the plane looks like outside, because things look so different from the inside. Thanks!
Headed out today for a Flight Review after 2 yrs and 9 months since my last flight and this is extremely helpful as I prepare to do some of these maneuvers. Great instruction. I used the trim technique and "stepping on the high wing" for altitude control in a King Air 200 (Army C-12) 25 years ago and remember how much easier it make steep turns!
Have to say all your videos had help me a lot. A good Pilot is always learning....
I just practiced it on yesterday’s flight. Worked very well. I was always fighting before learning the new trick. Thanks Jason
Your confidence is a relief for others who might just need that. Nothing to stress about or less stressful if you have a little bit of confidence in yourself. Thanks as always! 👏🏼👏🏼
Thanks for the kind words, Marlon!
Your videos are so useful and inspiring. Many thanks Jason!
Wow! You make it look easy. I'm gonna have t try this trim method at practice. Thank you 👍🏼
This video got me to pass my EOC. Thanks. All the best to you. Cheers.
I am thinking very thankful for your tutorial. My dream is private pilot and I'm watching your tutorial and it is very helpful for me. Very appreciate of your good tutorial. Thank you!
I start training on steep turns, tomorrow! Looking forward too it.
So well explained and demonstrated, Jason. You're the man!
Thanks for watching!
Ha that was very cool! That makes complete sense. As a DA40 pilot, i am certain that how much trim to apply might be a little different but the concept is the same. Nice videos.
Thanks! using trim is a trick that seems obvious but I'm sure many (myself included) didn't think of it at the beginning of training. Thanks! PPL Checkride on April 10th. 😀
Excellent presentation!
Love the M Zero content! Great refresher videos!
Glad to hear it!
I took Jason's ground school and passed my written test good stuff.
Hi Jason, I finished my private and I wish if I saw this tricks before but promise I'm gonna try and see how it's gonna go.
I'm doing the Instrument so wish me luck and I'm really happy with your channel
I dreamed to buy the Bose A20 Headset
Ty for the tip! 3 to the left and 4 to the right! Can’t wait to try this
Glad it helped!
I love how effortlessly you fly the plane. Gotta try the trim trick.
Trim will help! Thanks for watching!
I’m in private pilot training now and did steep turns today. Only difference that my CFI does is adding 200rpm when we hit 30 degree bank and continue to 45 degree then adding trim up as we do. We are not in a Cessna but in a very nimble Sling low wing.
Very nice. hands off steep turns. still stepping on the ball no doubt.
Holy cow...... like a BOSS!
Awesome Trick!
That was beautiful. I'm from Puerto Rico. Just about to take my Private Pilot written test tomorrow on 1/3/2018. Exited.
Antonini08 Let us know how it goes! Good Luck!💝
Jackie Oh I Will!!
Wing-rockin' success to you on your knowledge test!
Good luck on your written test, I passed mine yesterday.
Antonini08 did you made it ?
That was beautiful! Curious though, you did not need to add power to keep the speed up?
Thanks.
That was so slick! Awesome.
Thank you so much Jason, I have struggled with Steep turns. I tried using the trim before, but I used 2 rolls in my C172 seem to make it easier. but I want it like yours. What do you suggest my friend?
These are perfect! Thank you sir! Quick question, what is the rpm setting and indicated airspeed along the maneuver?
Hey Jason, I've seen adding a bit of power for steep turns, but I like this technique better, so I'll have to try it. Do you ever teach adding a bit of power for steep turns? Just curious.
Thats awesome, thank you for this
You had this video before as well. I have been practicing it your way and every time I get it right. Moe Rafi
Did it yesterday and I like it. No altitude loss or nothing. C152.
What is your RPM delta from level flight vs. what you need to add to hold the turn? Thanks for the great video. Also, if you are manually flying steep turns, any extra tips on your instrument scan? Primarily looking outside, but "peeking" inside looking at Altitude, Attitude indicator (to confirm you are staying at 45-degrees), VSI? Steeps turns seems to be my only challenge with consistency. Getting ready fo my checkride in the next few weeks. I seem to be hit or miss.
Excellent.
This is amazing. Can you say something about coordination?
Jason, Love the videos! But no extra power for the steep turn?
Good tip but curious if you add nose up trim and don’t add power how do you maintain airspeed +/- 10
Great job on teaching steep turns..Bq CFII HWD
Thank you!
Great video thank you! Two quick questions, on the right turn did you fix the sink by increasing power or did you just put in some back pressure? I never saw you add power from start to finish. Also, in these turns, are you rolling all the way to 45 degrees before you trim?
Sorry about the last comment on airspeed, I was thinking plus or minus 5 knots but it's plus or minus 10 knots. Bank is plus or minus 5 degrees.
Hi Jason. Thank you for your video. I always have difficulty with the right turn. I loose too much alt. I'll try the 4 trims next time. What rpm are you entering into the turns?
wow this guy is amazing
What about the power, do you think we need to add a little bit power period to the 30 degrees bank?
Hi Jason, can I use the same principle for my Saratoga or other low wing aircraft?
2:09 "There's my wake that I hit." Nice... My wife and I are in a similar situation to Bill Clayton, starting to Fly Again.
Thanks for all the resources.
I like without trim. Feels great and more rewarding.
I cannot wait to use the trim technique next time my instructor takes me up for steep turns.
Plz more videos with flying tricks
Trim is our friend and we should habitually use it to fly accurately and easily as possible.
I went to the practice area and played yesterday. I had no difficulty trimming my plane (Beech Musketeer) for hands-off 30 degree turns, but couldn't find the trim for 45 degrees. Gotta go burn some more avgas, I guess. :-)
I am finding at 45-degree turns I had to add more power for it to work. Curious how yours worked out.
@@HiTechRob I start feeding in more power after 30 degrees. I can get a stable 45 degree turn going easily, but can't get enough trim to do it hands-off.
Steep turns for the win.
Big question . When climbing , you doing nose up or nose down trim
I am curious. about steep turns. When the international fatal accident rate shows that most were in the traffic pattern and on base to final, why aren't steep turns taught with flaps extended? That would seem practical to familiarize a student as to what they might encounter on that famous base to final overshoot. Standing by.
Do you have a introduction flight at your school? If so what is the address to your company?
he makes it look so easy..
Is it safe to say that your only rudder input is to fly coordinated?
Inquiring as a student, why set the procedure speed at the Va speed as opposed to setting the rpm to 2500..?
Nice video - I learnt 30 and 45 deg turns yesterday in the C172 but with no trim. For the 30 deg turns, the right hand bank required right rudder input and only the slightest back pressure on the yoke, for the 45 deg turn, + 150RPM when passing the 30 deg' mark and significant yoke back pressure was needed. I fully get the attitude picture burnt into your head because at first I was too busy looking at the flight instruments and losing significant altitude. My instructor then took the checklist and covered up the flight instruments leaving me to rely on the visual cues, the rpm noise and the pressure from the yoke. Guess what? Best turn EVER :) And you know you're spot on when you intercept your own wake turbulence.
Thanks for watching, Martyn! Glad you are mastering those steep turns and have a good flight instructor! It definitely is a good feeling when you feel your own wake turbulence!
I'm trying this tomorrow! Never saw this without having your hands on the yoke
How did it go? :)
Hope it was helpful!
No Power adjust is needed to do steep turns? More power?
Hey there, Jason... I've used this "trick" for years but I've always had to apply a little power during the turn - same plane (172).
@@Sky95Puncher-e8r you almost have to use trim or else that nose just drops
Can I use this trick on checkride?
Smooth!!!
Thanks for the tips! Can you use trim in the checkride or do they typically want you to fly the steep turns so to speak? Thanks again!
I have this same question. Personally, I think it should be ok because a pilot is allowed to use all available resources to fly, navigate, and communicate....
yes you’re allowed to use your trim
Dear jason, first of all thanks for the great video, i would like to ask you ,is there any combination between steep turn and rudder?
Couple things: First, you will need rudder to remain coordinated as you enter the turn - this is true any time you apply aileron input as you get that adverse yaw that needs to be countered.
Second, while your ailerons are stabilized (neutral) during the turn there are yawing forces in play due to the extra lift required to maintain altitude. So you will need to step on the ball a bit to remain coordinated, but the amount will likely not be a lot. The steeper Commercial pilot maneuver will require more rudder compensation.
i.b. hemp thanks alot for the information, so coordination must be done with all 3 axis during turn that what I understood.
Is this procedure safe to do during checkride?
Does that work for all planes like Cherokee?
Just add some rudder so you’re actually coordinated going to the right. And you don’t need 4 turns of trim
Does this only work in the Cessna?
Great brief
Thanks!
Ohhh I didn't know I needed the trims
It makes a big difference!
What is the RPM setting and the airspeed when entering this maneuver in the c172
?
Around 2100
That's great . Why not the same amount trim both turns?
This is because of the left turn tendencies that they plane is producing.
I do two rolls of the trim and add about 100 RPM of power for steep turns. Then I seem to be able to maintain both altitude and airspeed without much effort.
Thanks for sharing, Peter!
@@MzeroAFlightTraining The order of execution I like is the following with the 172 that I fly.
1. establish at 2200 rpm at 90kt
2. increase power to 2300 rpm
3. aileron/rudder coordinated 45 degree turn
4. 2 full rolls of the trim
Rolling out starts at about 30 degrees before the target heading.
1. aileron/rudder coordinated rollout to about 10 degree banking
2. 2 full rolls of the trim the other direction
3. reduce power to 2200 rpm and continue to adjust heading to exactly line up with target heading to wings level.
4. now the plane to back to the starting state of 90kt and same heading/altitude.
Thanks for the trim tip for steep turns. That really made my steep turns a lot easier. I experimented a bit and found the sequence listed above to work for me the best. I hope it can inspire others too.
So no need to add power?
Does it work on DA-40?
Hey Jason, is this technique allowed during a flight test?
blued8107 That’s the same question I have. Are we allowed to do this trim is setting during our checkride?
Omg my secondary instructor made that turn like it was nothing with one hand. I was intimidated like hell lol I felt all them damn G FORCES and and I was like “is this really for me?
Why did you give it 4 trim rolls to the right and only 3 to the left? Correct me if I’m wrong but would it be because you were seated on that side having more weight on the right side?
Hello! Thanks for your comment. That could be a contributing factor! Always feel the airplane and remember that this is a starting point technique and not set in stone. Some days you may need more trim, some days less, and always make adjustments as necessary!
trimming up or down?
I'm just a flight simulator pilot. But I am wondering, in making just small aileron inputs to correct for heading, or for just a very slight turn of say a degree or two, is rudder also used, or can aileron only be used for these very small inputs? And I've also seen it suggested that for these small turns and corrections, aileron shouldn't be used at all, but rather rudders. Is this true? I've noticed in flight simulator, when I use rudders only, the plane rotates on the axis, but seemingly does not actually change direction of the plane. When I center rudder, the plane seems to return to exactly the direction it was originally going.
Hey Bill!
These are great questions! Generally speaking, whenever you bank the airplane it is always advised to use rudder as well to make sure you are coordinated. When making a turn of only a few degrees, it is often not necessary to also use the rudder. When doing large heading changes it is always advised to use the rudder to 'center the ball' in the inclinometer on the turn coordinator.
When you are making a bank it is always better to use the ailerons rather than just the rudder. The reason for this is simply that the rudder creates a yaw initially and a bank. This may sound helpful but it is not as easy to control and can be more of a hassle. And like you said, it is not as responsive to begin with.
Thanks for the comment!
@@MzeroAFlightTraining I also have another question, but I think you may have already answered it. That is, on final approach, I was wondering if it was possible to adjust the direction of the plane without banking. I was wondering if some sort of rudder only action or possibly a slip would achieve this. But based on your previous response, I'm thinking the only proper way to change direction of the plane is to use the ailerons, thus banking the aircraft. I'm thinking of a situation where on final approach the plane is heading on the right heading, but needs to slide a little bit left or right to be center of the runway. If I use the aileron I'm going to ruin my heading and then have to double correct so to speak.
yer good dude
Was there no power setting adjustment in your technique? Just adjusting trim?
You may need to adjust power, Farhan! Just remember to take it out when you level off!
Nice altitude control but you blew it on airspeed control. Airspeed appeared to drop to 85 knots from an entry of 95 knots.
Yeah man
How would you determine the amount of trim rolls necessary?
Sergio Alegre Trial and error.
Basically, trim is there to help as pilots relieve pressure on the flight controls.
Use as much trim as you need to relieve that pressure.
So for example if you find yourself struggling to keep that back pressure on the yoke, put as much trim as needed to relieve that excessive pressure.
Show us at commercial standard, 50- 55 degree turns. Could have used this yesterday with my BFR. Haven’t flown in seven years. Did pretty well with the BFR overall. This could have put the icing on the cake.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing!
Steam gages. Excellent
Hey Jason, do you think that this tip would work with Piper Warriors?
Hello! The trim and control input may be different but the concept is the same! You just need to find the correct amount of trim/control inputs to work in the airplane! Thanks for watching!
@@MzeroAFlightTraining I'm assuming that you trim the nose up correct?
That's absurd. Makes it looks so simple. I'd be upside down 🤣
Thanks for watching, Tom! Keep on practicing and it will get easier! Fly safe!
Do you use any rudder?
Certainly!!!
What kind of devil magic is this?!!
Will it work with c152?
Hello! The concept stays the same, yes but the trim and control input will be slightly different! Thanks for your comment!
@@MzeroAFlightTraining thank you MZA
Power settings for steep turns?
Hey Cliff! It depends on the aircraft! In a 172 it may be between 2000-2200 RPM. Fly safe!
@@MzeroAFlightTraining I'm in cessna 152. I did use your tips on the trim and it helps a lot.. thank you.
I'm just wondering if there's a good power settings in 152 in steep turns?
Shit.. My intructor didn't teach me that lol