3 SECRETS to Fix Your Steep Turns | How to Perform Steep Turns
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- čas přidán 16. 01. 2023
- How to easily perform steep turns. This video goes into EXTREME detail on how to do steep turns. I explain how to control the airplane when turning, and I also explain 3 secrets that will fix your steep turns if they suck!
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Excellent instruction as usual.
During my training I had a hard time with steep turns because I was too focused on the instruments. At one point I told my instructor to be ready to intervene if something looks wrong and then I ONLY looked outside, trying to keep the point where the horizon disappears behind the dashboard stabilised. That was my first smooth steep turn and I didn't even lose or gain altitude. Now I mostly look outside and occasionally glance at the VSI and it works every time.
Thanks! It’s amazing how much easier it is when just looking outside
The best instruction I've seen about steep turns;excellent job!!!
Thanks Rafael!
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I agree
@@FeltonZackery-gm8yl thank you!
Left out the use of the VSI VERY IMPORTANT and use of Trim. It's ok to use and will help you. So where is the instrument that gives 1.414 Gs. Learn toss that and scan interpret scan interpret scan interpret and use smooth inputs. In over 45 yrs of flying and years of teaching I don't know any pilots who are doing 45 degree turns with passengers on most flights. You need to know how to do them safely and that takes practice. Be safe
Nailed my steep turns for private, but was really struggling for commercial. I now know why! Thanks Josh!!!
Awesome! You’re welcome
The intentional "neutralizing" the aileron bump did it for me. Great video as always! Check ride coming up soon. Cheers!!
It was definitely an eye opener for me as well! Thanks Chuck! Good luck on that check ride!
I was taught to do that, but never really understood what it was doing to the aircraft this makes perfect sense, and the illustration with flying that T makes it even easier to understand. Thanks.
@@scottwarner7264 you’re welcome!
Nice video. One hint that I was taught is see where the horizon intersects with the instrument panel.
If you keep the horizon at the same intersection, you will maintain altitude and ergo, airspeed
Great man, human being, pilot and instructor.
Thanks! Lol I’m definitely the second one
great instruction , i was never taught this . been flying now for over 40 years . you make it so easy.
Thanks! I appreciate that!
3rd video I’ve watched of yours so far and gotta say it’s better than any ground lesson online I’ve ever paid for.
Thank you so much for that! I hope to make many more!
My instructor taught me your 3 secrets back in 1972 plus a rudder secret not shown here.
Still it's good to go over this again.
As always excellent video.
Hope you recover that prop.
Thanks! I’d be curious to hear that rudder trick. Lol, the prop was stuck to the bottom of my shoe
Another excellent training tip. I also discovered the "neutralize" action as well during my practice sessions. All other tips are on point, loved the flying "T" reference. Will definitely keep that in mind going forward. Also, great to see you flying the low-wing Piper for a change which DEFINITELY has different handling characteristics, in particular the between-the-seats trim wheel which is nothing like Cessna's easy-spin "wheel of fortune" in the center console! Keep up the good work Josh!
Thank you so much! Yeah, I have always loved the Cessna 172, but the Cherokee is such an awesome plane. I definitely wouldn’t mind owning one. Thanks for the comment! I’ll see you around!
I'm not a pilot, however I love learning about aviation and this channel provides satisfactorily :)
Awesome! Thank you!
As a fellow AF reservist aircrew member working on his PPL. You are a godsend! Always appreciate the subtle jokes; It helps the content stick!
That’s awesome! I’ve found that I remember things so much better when something funny is tied to it. Thanks for the comment!
You are so helpful and awesome. Thank you!
You’re welcome!
Great presentation! I’m working on CFI right now, and my instructor and I have been going back and forth on the best way to maintain altitude in a steep turn. I’ve always used minor power adjustments and elevator to control altitude. Using bank angle makes more sense. I’m definitely going to give it a try.
Thank you so much! Give it a try, let me know what you think.
Great video. I did the PPL steep turns today for the first time.
This tutorial helped me to understand the actions and just as importantly what to do when things go a bit off.
The result was that my first attempt was average, I kept going back to 30 degrees as I was pulling back.
But my forth attempt was well within tolerances both left and right
So thanks.
Thanks Chris! I appreciate you letting me know that this helped you! It’s great to get that feedback
I discovered right out of the gate, Trim is your friend in steep turns. My CFI very briefly mentioned trim in steep turns. He wanted to see how I reacted to the higher g force and how I maintained the numbers I was looking for. Energy management. It's a three dimensional thing.
imho the best video on steep turns, little talk and good practical advice clearly demonstrated in the video. thanks just in time as i am getting ready for my flight review, at 82 and 3/4.
Thank you so much! That means a lot!
Awesome I get it same control standards regardless of type of airplane ✈️ thx for heads up as I work all up for my ATP and currently preparing for the PPL Written exam
Your videos are THE best and helping me so so much, thank you!!
Thanks Molly! I appreciate that
Great tips, I am currently in CPL training and this is a very helpful review and info. For CPL in Canada we do a turn through 180º, with an angle of bank of 45º, then without pause, reverse the turn to roll out on the original entry heading with the same limits of ±100 feet, ±10 knots, ±5º of bank, and ±10º on heading.
That’s interesting. I feel like that wouldn’t be too bad
Great video! Fun trivia: to find the required Gs for a level turn for a given bank angle, the formula is 1/cos(x), x being your bank angle in degrees.
Thank you! I wish I could remember trig better lol
Thank you for doing this! God Bless!
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching! God Bless you too
Awesome video! All I'll say is entering and exiting the steep turn on a visual reference, ie, lake, factory, sports stadium, is so easy. Plus it keeps your eyes outside. Great video!!
Thank you! Yes, that is the one thing I didn’t mention, but i definitely should have.
Can't wait to try the Air Force's "T Turn" manuever too!
@@lonhaenel3030 it’s a good one!
I used to watch shappert who is good but you sir are great, the explanations are second to none my primary go to now! For additional education, phenomenal job Josh please keep them coming mate!
Thanks Adam! I appreciate this comment! It really helps give me motivation! I’ll see you around!
Fantastic tips. I've only had one trial flight and already experienced these points. I think the controlling altitude with aileron is a particularly helpful point 👍
Thanks! I’m so glad you found them helpful!
This video is fantastic has has been a huge help for me! I've been struggling with commercial steep turns and you gave me several 'ah-hah' moments. Thank you!
You’re welcome! These AF teaches these tips because when you fly steep turns in formation, everyone has to know what they’re doing! Lol
Great job!
Thanks!
such great content!! thanks big time for all the work you have put i to this series
Thanks JC! I appreciate that!
Thanks for all your videos man. It has really helped me out in my studies. I passed the Private Pilot written today. Resume flight training in a few weeks
You’re very welcome! So glad I could be a part of your journey!
I don’t know about 3 turns on trim wheel, but I trim for pressure like any other trim and it massively improved my steep turns.
Also, I LOVE the suggestion to "fly the T". Will definitely try this next time.
Thanks! Yeah, the trim trick isn’t my fav, but it does work
Thanks!
You’re welcome! Thank You for the Super Thanks Alfred!
Great job! I sure wish I'd known this back in my student pilot days.
Thanks John! Me too! That’s why I wanted to make this video
love this video, thx for everything you did
Thank you so much!
Working on my private pilot license and I have been struggling as I transition to the the second turn. My first steep turn is generally stable and coordinated. When I roll into the second turn I fall behind the airplane and tend to lose altitude. I am going up today to practice and I am going to try these tips. Doing some chair flying to practice before my flight. Will let you know how it goes. Thanks for the tips. Your channel is great and your training videos are the best ones for me. You make the concepts simple and easy to understand and you don't waste time with irrelevant jibber jabber. Thanks for being an awesome instructor and for making this training available to a guy on a budget!
Your welcome Scotty! Let me know how it goes!
@@FreePilotTraining I am happy to say it went much better today. My first attempt was my best. I used my ailerons and bank to control my altitude. On my second attempt I over banked to 60 degrees once but corrected quickly and only lost about 50 feet. It was a bit windy but the over bank was on me. I need to improve at scanning inside. Your tips definitely helped! I will continue to review this video and chair fly. With a little more practice I am confident I will dial it in.
@@scotty-55YJ awesome! Thanks for the update!
Hi Josh, I passed my checkride and I am now a private pilot! I kept my steep turns within 25 feet. They were some of my best. Your channel is great and I learned a lot of what I needed to know and reinforced my learning by watching your videos. Thanks for continuing to share your knowledge. Learning never stops and as my examiner told me after passing "this is a license to learn". Thanks again for providing awesome free content!!
Thank you very much, I’m working on my private pilot’s license and you’ve helped me a lot
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching
You make it look so easy!! Excellent!
Thanks!
What a great video and all the extra tips. What a difference. Many Thanks..... Let's go fly when you're in McKinney Texas..........
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching! I’d love that!
I have my biannual flight review this week. This information will be a big help. Thank you.
You’re welcome! Let me know if it helps!
This channel is amazing. I show these videos to all of my students. Thanks for the awesome content.
Thanks Chase! I appreciate that!
Excellent video. Am doing steep turns in my training at the moment, so these tips will help alot.
Thanks Richard! Let me know if it helped.
Great video, thank you. Passed my ppl exams last week yippee. Just flying and continue the learning curve.
Congrats! That’s very exciting! Thanks for watching, and I’ll see you around!
Great video! If you can tolerate and manage the G loads, a 60° steep turn is easier than a 45° turn. The overbanking tendency of an aircraft is at its most at 45° of bank. Beyond that the differential tip speeds converge. The theoretical 90° bank is essentially a loop on its side with matching wingtip velocities and zero overbanking force. Who knew?
Yeah, I’ve noticed that. Thanks for the comment!
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Hey Josh,
Another good round of "Higher Education" 👍.
You briefly mentioned flying into your wake while turning.
I was trained to really lay that wing down on a reference point (60° or more) and do tight 720s both directions.
The object was after hitting your wake immediately roll the opposite way and find the Wake again.
From that we would go to accelerated stalls.
Have you ever ridden in a car with somebody that throws you all over the car while they are turning and stopping, etc.
They are definitely not fun to ride with.
Same applies to an airplane. When you can smoothly execute your piloting skills it makes people have a lot more confidence in you.
Thanks again Josh it's always a pleasure to look at your uploads. And I find something in each one of them that I need to rehearse, and I'm sure that's true for all of us no matter how thick your log book is.
That really goes for the Bible too.
GOD BLESS
📖🛐✈️
Thanks Chuck! That sounds like a lot of fun! It’s crazy how much the training has changed! I totally agree! You still have to continue to practice! And the Bible is no exception!
@@FreePilotTraining
Hey Captain J,
Thanks for your speedy reply and I'm glad you did because,
There was just one other thing that I wanted to insert in my message to you about steep turns as we used to practice them is;
When you really rack it over on the wing, and you got your fix on the ground established,
When you go beyond 60°, I remember we would really power up and pull like the Dickens,
And when you did hit your wake and here is where I wanted to make my point,
When you nailed your wake with that stick back in your gut it was a pretty hard wack,
Followed by heavy stick forces to get out of the turn on heading and rack it the other way.
Getting smooth at that was really quite hard.
(For me anyway)!
My instructor knew that I was trying to delay working on spins and he suckered me right into it by letting me go across the top one time.
W O W🙈 that really got my adrenaline going.
And I firmly believe looking back on it he played with the rudder pedals and assisted me in going over lol
(No Doubt)
Back in that day too many guys were trying to buzz their girlfriend's houses and do tight turns overhead while waving at them,
And just like you said you got to keep it coordinated and if you don't,
Like one of my very close friends did his last air show doing that exact thing.
And you're right,
We did not use aileron, it was always elevator.
It was a long time down the road before I started using aileron to compensate.
One of the great things I've noticed that following your teaching curriculum is, that it makes us think about the past, and present and how we can pick up some great nuggets along the way.
GOD Bless
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I never heard about the use of ailerons to maintain altitude in the steep turn. I’m going to have to watch many more of your videos to get my thought processes trained to do things the right way instead of the hard or simply wrong way. Thanks
No problem! I’ve got a bunch already made, and I’m working on more all the time!
Great video... I really like how you explained that you NEED to pull a minimum amount of G's to keep the 45 degree banking turn
Thank you! Yes, that is very important if you don’t want to descend
Awesome! Thanks!!
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching
Phenomenal instruction, thank you!
You’re welcome! Thank you for watching!
This was so helpful! Thank you!!
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching!
Really great instruction! Great video. Please continue producing your teaching videos for us!
Thank you so much! Will do! I’m hoping to make a video on power on stalls very soon
This help me out more then anything I've tried. This will fix me .this is great..
Awesome! So glad I could help!
Thanks for the great content, my last update on my Garmin G500 included a g meter. This will help on my commercial check ride.
You’re welcome! Let me know if this helps you
Awesome video thanks.
You’re welcome!
@@FreePilotTraining Have you done videos on slow flights?
Definitely needed this. Thank you! Ill practice on flight sim before i go real life again.
You’re welcome! Let me know if it helps!
Thank you so much for great advice. You are amazing
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching!
Really really clear instruction.
Thanks!
Great tips, i needed that! I’ll try the T tomorrow!
Awesome! Let me know how it goes!
This is a really helpful video! Thank you! It's really frustrating in Florida because it has been so hazy for the last few months that I can never see the horizon.
Thanks! Yeah, that definitely makes it harder
You’re a legend dude! Just typed this up and added it to my chair flying notebook. Thank you!
Thanks! That means a lot!
This is BY FAR the very best tip video for steep turns I've ever seen. I have an RV-7A and this video has inspired me to try steep turns with my G-meter (I have a Dynon system) and see how close to 1.414 I can get and see if it truly keeps it level. I have no doubt. Keep 'em coming... great video! (I'm subbed already...)
Thank you! That’s cool! I want to build the RV-15 when they release it. Let me know how much the G-meter works. And thanks for being a part of the community!
Thanks! Great stuff for the CFI toolbag. 🙂
You’re welcome!
Thx this is by far the number 1 instructional piloting explained on youtube. Anyone looking for on hands instruction. Go here and learn. Thx.
Thank you so much! This comment means a lot!
Thanks you
You’re welcome!
This really helps a lot. Great explanation, thanks for posting.
You’re welcome!
I got my PPL 7 months ago and your videos are being very helpful to me to improve my skills, thanks! Greetings from Italy.
You’re welcome! You have a beautiful country! I lived in Porcia Italy for 3 years
@@FreePilotTraining I live in Palermo, Sicily, welcome back anytime!
@@Massimiliano-Fauci awesome! Thank you!
Great video! Very informative.
Thanks Scott!
I don't even have any airtime yet and I already feel more comfortable with this manoeuvre. 👍👍 🐐
Lol 😆 Glad I could help!
Thanks for the tips. Starting my ppl next month
You’re welcome! Good luck! It’s a great time!
Super valuable. I wish my cfi would have me watch this BEFORE going into the plane. There are a LOT of not so great CFIs out there.
Thank you so much! Yes, there are. I understand why. It’s hard to mash in all the information that a student actually needs.
You are my hero
Thanks!
Honestly, best explanation of steep turns.
Thanks JB!
Comprehensive, thanks.
No problem! Thanks for watching!
Thanks
You’re welcome!
thank you!
You’re welcome!
Thank you :-)
You’re welcome!
Hey man, this video is great thank you for this!
Thanks Luis! That means a lot!
NICE!!
Hi Josh! Thanks for the tips!! From now on I'm gonna start learning before going to the air so I only feel half stupid while doing my flying lessons 😂
You’re welcome! Let me know if they help you!
I have been struggling with my steep turns to the right I am looking forward to my next flight and trying out your method to the madness thx
You’re welcome! Let me know how it goes!
Very good instruction. Thanks!
You’re welcome!
What about opposite aileron in the turn to prevent the over banking tendencies and reducing asymmetric lift? Kinda the whole point of the maneuver I was told by an Army Air Corps instructor.
Splendid videos. I really appreciate your efforts. I know it a bunch of work.
This is a great question! Yes, overbanking tendencies are a real thing, BUT, if you neutralize the ailerons like I discussed in the video, the effects are so minimal in MOST airplanes that if you keep any opposite aileron in, your going to climb. Typically two or three quick corrections throughout the turn is all you need. You’ll notice I descended about 40 feet during my turns and I just used a little opposite aileron to correct that. Thank you for the comment!
Really informative and useful tips , sub. Thanks
Thanks Dave! And welcome to the community!
Excellent instructor!
Thank you!
Awesome video. Great advice on using aileron to control altitude on a bank! Video idea: What is a great way to remember critical steps on a touch-and-go, go-arounds, or climb? On a recent touch-and-go landing, I forgot to put full rich mixture back in before climb. It wasn't until about 700 feet, before turning into cross-wind leg, that I noticed my mixture was leaned.
Thanks! You might like my newest video on go-arounds
I had my 1st actually flight in the PA 28 161 past weekend and I feel home at the controls and it all comes naturally to me with my prior 7000 hrs flight sim 🙃 and I look more out the cockpit then chasing the ball lol
I’m always amazed at how much flying a sim helps
@@FreePilotTraining perhaps some time you and I can take a flight together
@@Sartorialtrucker that’d be cool
@Free Pilot Training my airport is MKC and your airport? MKC is a class Delta
Also, I pick a mountain point out on the horizon to start the turn and roll out of. But you suggested a Cardinal direction. I will try both ways and see what works best. I am a student piliot
The reference on the horizon works well too. You just have to be careful about that because you technically need to roll out on a specific heading
This guy is a genius,,period
Thank you!
Love the instructions top 🔝!! 👍🏻🙌🏻☝🏻🛩️✈️🛩️✈️Ty for the dedication!!
Thanks!
Great video. My only comments are the potential loss of speed is due to the increase in drag. As AOA increases, drag increases. I’m not sure that neutralizing the ailerons is some big secret, if you don’t, the airplane will just continue to roll into a steeper bank. Also, over banking tendencies will require a little opposite aileron (depending on bank desired bank angle). Also rather than peeking at the ball, one should develop a sense for skidding and slipping. I agree with you on rolling a bunch of trim in...don’t do it. Finally, while technically accurate about the g-loading, no one is going to find a g-meter reporting Gs to the 1/1000 place and be able to fly it. Look out the window and keep the nose planted where it needs to be by small deflection of the ailerons.
Thank you! I appreciate the comment. I know that there is a lot of detail that may be difficult for students to replicate, but I think it helps give them a good understanding of what’s happening when they’re performing the maneuver.
@@FreePilotTraining you’re doing a great job. Keep at it.
@@whoanelly737-8 thanks!
I practice with a 10 knots wind fron 140, the left side was easy, but the right turn was very hard, i even feel pressure in my neck ,will try again next week
Yeah, let me know how it goes
As good as my FI was - I had never such a good explanation. I was always wondering what kind of corrections I should make if parameters run away. Since it is different than in level flight. I will try that out the next time airborne! Thank you so much!
You’re welcome! Let me know how it works for you
Nice >>>>>> Thank you
You’re welcome
Perfect and simple explanation. So sad I didn't see it before.
Thank you!
This is very good thanks for your help
You’re welcome!
Even simpler: From left seat and left turns, nail the nosecone on the horizon. Yes you can't see it but you know where it is. From left seat and right turns, nosecone is a little lower (instructor will see nosecone on the horizon). Glance inside to check bank angle, rudder ball and airspeed but mostly keep eyes outside.
My instructor told me to pull if I was losing altitude, but I'll try what you said cuz it makes more sense... PPL checkride is in 10 days... Ahhh 😆
It is possible that you’re not pulling hard enough if you’re descending but typically the problem is forgetting to neutralize the ailerons
Thanks for the great tip!
You’re welcome!
@@FreePilotTraining just passed my check ride and all of this was very helpful. Looking outside most of the time is really the key!
Thanks hopefully this helps with my steep turns, I’m 17 and just finished my first solo, steep turns have been a pain for a while, time is money as they do say especially when it’s your money haha 😂
You’re welcome! Let me know if it helps
@@FreePilotTrainingwill do my dude currently corking on my cross country stuff and just gotta get through the radio calls lol
Thanks for the tips Josh. New to the channel and also a student pilot. My last flight was my first time at steep turns, and I will definitely keep these in mind. I find your explanations very helpful. It sure looked like you were flying in central Arkansas during this video.
You’re welcome! Yep, I filmed this north west of Little Rock! I work out of there once a month with the AF reserves.
@@FreePilotTraining I am doing my training out of KCXW Conway, the area looked very familiar. The C130's flying over the lake was an excellent shot. I enjoy seeing them flying low.
@@KevinSmithAviation You’re welcome! Nice! I love Conway. I go there all the time.
@@FreePilotTraining awesome, maybe we will meet up there sometime.
@@KevinSmithAviation PM me on Facebook. That would be fun
Another good vid ! FYI... I like to bug a heading for things like this. Also... in a Warrior, I give the trim wheel 2.5 pulls back, and it really helps keep the nose in the right spot. I know your Cherokee is a different trim system... but why wouldn't you use the trim to help? I find it's easier to tell people to push between left and right (keep from ballooning) than to have new pilots hold the correct back pressure.
Thanks! The trim definitely does work, but I like to feel how many G’s I’m pulling. The trim on the ceiling definitely makes it tough too. Thanks for the comment!
To me, using trim during a steep turn feels a little bit like using the trim as a primary flight control, which of course it is not. Also, I find it to be easier to release back pressure when rolling out than putting in forward pressure.
@@erich930 my thoughts exactly
AWESOME
Thanks!
The checklist I have says 95 knots steep turns for the Cessna 172S. Good video!
Thank you! Yes, many POHs give you a speed