Do We Have a Right to Complain, or are Sims 4 Players Entitled?
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It's not the consumer's mistake for asking for their 600$'s worth. Period.
Exactly! People seem to forget that this game, to get the "full" experience, is over 600 dollars. That's insane. That's worth about three Nintendo Switches or Xbox One S's for reference. Now, assuming you buy all those Switches or Xbox One S's, imagine that the Switch didn't come with any Joy-Cons or Xbox's hard drive was missing yet you spent the same exact money as full price. Ridiculous.
@Will Clauson The issue here is the previous sims went on sale more then 4 times year, as well as had MUCH more content then the sims 4 will ever have. Hell sims 1 base game is 30x better then sims 4 base game.
Not to mention EA loves to keep using the same exact idea over and over in sims 4. Literally. Same thing different name.
@@Raydr62 Bruh, Sims 3 base game has more content than Sims 4 with every DLC.
@Will Clauson Yes but back in the Sims days it was like $10-$20 a pop, not $40 and each disc was a whole new experience, not just a handful of items and one new interaction. The new sewing pack is the first one I have seen advertised that looks like crap in my opinion. I will probably buy it anyway as truth be told, the sims is my only guilty pleasure outside of bills, but that being said I would likely have lost interest a while ago if it were not for mods.
@@Lord_Sebastian I hate to say it, but the price for base game and expansions packs haven't changed much since sims 2, at last where I live. If we take the height for inflation, that would say that you pay less for Sims 4, but also get less, because you get what pay for.
If you only purchase on sale, expansion packs is cheaper or on price than the original Sims 1 expansion packs, and they have more content, and that is before inflation.
I hat to say it, but except the original sims, every generation had been in the 6-700 dollars range if you buy everything in the series at full price.
Heaven forbid we complain about a product we spend our hard earned money on lol. Corporation defenders (especially for a company like EA lol) baffle me smh.
bootlicking is rly at an all time high
right? EA isn't our friends y'all, they're a soulless corporation infamous for stripping down and killing beloved games series' once they get their greedy paws on them. I'm pretty sure they'd straight up mug us if they could legally get away with it.
@Onion Face Not always... EA actually pays 'defenders' to troll those with negative opinions on their forum so they can be banned.
@Onion Face Kids whose mommy's and daddy's are footing the bill. Most dont even have a concept of what "hard earned money" means.
Ems Like two thugs omg he street mug is. I believe you
I get so angry with this whole 'be grateful' thing. I paid for the product, why should I be grateful if it's bad
If you go to a restaurant and pay for a meal and it comes out undercooked to the point where you can't eat it for food safety reasons, no one gets to tell you to be "grateful" for the meal. Same thing here.
I hate how the devs breeze through the valid criticism and point to the most toxic comments to discredit the entire community. I really, really hate it.
Same. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, it’s a shame when regular fans are creating mods and custom content because the developers won’t. These are regular people.
I've never seen the developers attempt to discredit the entire community. My impression was that they always try to listen to reasonably expressed criticism, but sometimes the personal attacks/toxicity in the community need to be addressed. Have I missed something?
hate to tell ya but the toxic players are the majority
Let's move on to Paralives. The Sims is a lost cause.
Let’s be honest here. I would not be playing the sims if it wasn’t for the free content I get from mods.
Entitled? I've been playing since Sims 1. We are just asking for better content, realism, creativity.
I'm not asking for realism, NEVER in the Sims have I asked for realism, so don't lump "We" into your blanket statement.
I agree
@@ChrisParkerstudios Realism in having free babies, not getting diseases. There are levels of realism that would improve the game, such as banking, buying real estate, owning multiple homes, etc. Heck Sims actually realizing they're being cheated on, for more then a couple of days.
@@ChrisParkerstudios it's a fucking LIFE simulation since beginning not a Barbie simulation smh
Realism Hell No
Are you entitled for wanting value for cash you spent?
"You're just entitled.." = "Be a good sheep and shut up"
Tbh EA has a monopoly on this genre and Sims community desperately needs someone to become competition for EA otherwise they'll have no incentive to make quality content.
Hopefully Paralives will be a true contender for an amazing simlife game but we can only wait and hope! X
Hippie yeah I hope they try to make the game better
13 Pies Thing is they always do a two hour gameplay footage before the product comes out. So it is not ppls fault if Gurus lie about what value the game has when they are shown. It is already telling that most EA Game Changers aside from LTR (former one, cause he told the truth) lie as well about game play. So either you take a risk to see for yourself or wait until someone not affiliated with EA buys the game.
Also I get you saying to save your money but complaining about things that should have been in other packs is not being entitled. It is noticing the flaws of EA trying for more money for half assing content.
Also it is clear that you have never played s2-3 other wise you would see how severely lacking the sims 4 is and why ppl have been complaining since base game. It’s not entitlement it’s respect for those that gave a damn about good content for your money.
Zzzoidberg...
@13 Pies do you understand how criticism works? Why do you have a problem with people complaining about a game they loved in the past not being good anymore because of the incompetence of the company that makes it? You're trying to defend the game like we're attacking you personally. People have a right to demand a good product. A game is a product. People love this franchise and want EA to do a good job because they want to be able to enjoy it and they know what the true potential is. Literally nothing wrong about that.
I’m in a Sim group and for every person that complained there was someone else defending EA like they work for them! Telling us to be “appreciative” and “grateful” because they didn’t have to do it. Uh....yes they do! That’s what they are getting paid for!
Dear god like they offer a free service of something. We PAY for this crap...
100%. If I spend my money on your product, I can complain all day. You need feedback to improve the product you produce. Otherwise you are doomed to fail. The issue is, a lot of the sim guru's respond with attitude and disdain when simmers are unhappy. EA has a problem inside and out. It's very disheartening.
@@janineck3488 Exactly. I'm not grateful for my utility company providing me power, I expect them to since I pay them. And I expect the voltage to be consistent and such, much like how I expect my DLC to not break core game elements since I am supposedly not paying for a beta (certainly not in price comparison!) so I expect the finished product polish. Those are reasonable things to expect and moving the onus on the consumer for "not doing their research" when they are dismayed they paid and did not get that is just the kind of BS that allows disastrous corporate practises to thrive.
Imagine you bought a car but it didn't come with tires, A/C, a radio, windshield wipers, blinkers, cruise control, basic things that most cars come with nowadays. And the dealership wanted to charge you more just to get those basic things, OR they just straight up don't offer them, forcing you to go somewhere else to get them. That's what it feels like when it comes to the Sims 4.
Winifred But the best parts of that car is gone. There was a a lot of little details in previous sims games
@Winifred That's a good point. My impression of Sims 4 is that it's a lot less buggy than Sims 3. But for the most part, it seems they achieved that by removing the things that were causing issues, not by going into the code and fixing whatever was actually causing the problem. As a result, we got the shallow gameplay that Carl is talking about.
What I want, and what I feel many others want as well, is a relatively bug-free experience with gameplay depth. This is the 4th iteration of the series. EA/Maxis have made quite a lot of money from it and they have all the assets and experience from the previous iterations to work with. I'm well aware that many of those assets can't be imported directly into a new game engine, but a large percentage of them should be able to be reused with only relatively small modifications. And when that can't be done, the Sims team can fall back on the wealth of experience they gained from the previous games. Yes, many people have left that team over the years, but usually not before sharing that knowledge and experience with their successors. And if nothing else, those successors can take advantage of the wealth of feedback people have provided about the Sims games over the years.
Sooo... Basically a used tesla is equal to the sims 4
I mean, why would you buy a car that does not come with tyres? That isn't a car to begin with, right?
And then when we complain the car dealer says "Hey, be good to each other and be kind xoxo 😇, you entitled son of a bitch"
Yes I do not understand how it’s entitled to ask that a product we pay for be of good quality. Would probably be entitled if it were some kind of free service but we’re spending hundreds of dollars here for a product that doesn’t even have as many features as it’s predecessors. It’s frustrating to see a series you have quite literally invested your money in crash and burn and ask for your feedback and yet take none.
700$ Game OMEGALUL
Well said. We're spending huge amounts of money on these products. We expect them, quite rightfully, to meet certain standards of quality. If one buys a meal at a restaurant, we expect it to arrive in a reasonable amount of time, to include the ingredients we ordered, to be fresh, and to taste the way we expect. If they served us garbage, we would have every right to get angry, and to voice that anger. Games are no different.
And we don't even need to compare sims 4 to the previous ones, there is enough to be disappointed with within sims 4 itself. The way there's always something wrong/buggy in every expansion and the fact that they don't even fix some of those, e.g. I hear restaurants are still a mess for a lot of players. The way there's hardly any new content, just new skins for the same objects, same goes for animations. Nothing has been done about the lack of depth with the emotions and how they aren't compatible with new packs (stacking moodlets with no effects etc.) I discovered you can't complete the "beach life" aspiration from island living if you life in apartments or you can never complain about your neighbour being noisy. There are zero consequences for relationships (you can marry someone and divorce them and marry them again the same day). Unplayed sims just grow old and do nothing. I thought they would actually update gameplay aspects when it first came out in 2014 but literally all they've done is improve the ui, added toddlers and swimming pools and modifiable stairs. Yay.
Ebony if you think it's expensive and not good quality why do you play it girl. Like you don't have to. Believe it or not the creators work pretty hard so that the sims 4 can work for every computer and even the worst computers can use it
@@naryainc wait... do you expect to complete Beach Life without going to the beach?
When you spend money on something, you have expectations of what that product will provide. In every other arena, if you are unhappy with a product then you can complain or return it. If we are outside EA’s 24 hour returns window, and the product is not meeting our expectations, then as consumers we have every right to complain. It’s not being ‘entitled’; it’s capitalism.
And as we all know Capitalism is bad!
And the bitchiness over Eco Lifestyle which no one has yet, no one has paid for yet? That went too far, right?
@@stephengalanis You do realize people are are complaining about other packs, that have already come out?
It takes 8-12 hours just to download the game.
@@stephengalanis Nah. It didn't go far enough. EL is full of mechanics and animations that already exist within the game. So, yes. We've already paid for it and are being asked to pay for it again. No thanks.
A lot of people seem to have been very confused because they're only familiar with The Sims, EA, and maybe some little mobile games here and there. They are under the impression that what's going on with this game is just normal practice in the industry. If they knew that there were games that provided more and better content for $20 than all of TS4 combined, and that those developers still try to make their games EVEN BETTER just to make their fans happy... it'd be pretty easy to understand why so many are upset with EA.
Plus, EA as a corporation has a history of stripping franchises down for monetization, then killing them when the fans walk away. They killed Dead Space that way, and a number of other series'. Sims has always been expensive, but sims 4 is first time where the game has felt truly stripped down and people are upset about it. If sims 5 follows this path, guaranteed it'll be the last sims, and yeah, that's worrisome. Part of the reason we voice these complaints is because we want better content, sure, but we also don't want the series to die. And it's going to if something doesn't change.
When Paralives comes out, I think EA will need to step up or lose a lot of people that were simply sticking around til something better popped up.
@@lunafeora7710 This is EA though. Maybe they'll try one last sad attempt and then say it "didn't work" when everyone hates it. Then they'll just murder the franchise like they always do and people who actually care will start doing it better. At least it looks like we won't need to wait too long this time though.
@Onion Face Maxis lost its soul when EA acquired it. I'm going to try to purchase Eco Living but I've not been playing Sims 4 as much lately.
Yeah- what's going on with the Sims has become the norm for EA (look at Fallout and the state of Bethesda) but it's not the norm and older Sims players can still remember the transition from Sims 1 to 2. Sims 3 had some stupid add ons, but the actual expansion packs were mostly good (*mostly- looking at you Showtime) and had a lot of features per pack. Plus we had open world and the color wheel which were big improvements. Sims 4 only seems good if you haven't really played the others that much. I still hope EA won't kill The Sims completely the way it has other franchises but I'm worried about 5
You have the right to critique a game you have spend so much money on, you're not entitled. If you bought a pair of shoes you thought looked good and after 3 days the sole came off you're not going to be like "I should be grateful that I at least have shoes, even if they don't have a sole and I paid 70 bucks, I should be grateful". No! You're gonna want a refund. What's so different about a game you bought?
Then return the game and stop playing.
@Foxglove Man, Darsell.. you are kinda part of the problem.. sims players seems so culty, defending broken overpriced products.. like if people who complaining arent gamers too. We also love the sims, thats why all this speaking up is so important.
@@darsellb.4337 no one will buy a Sims 4 used, even though you make is cheap, the buyer can't open it, because the only one account has already being used, or else it's Sims 4 Xbox/ PS4 but with that you don't get mods and after you get bored
@@darsellb.4337 Have you even read the EA game return policy? The second you launch the game it starts a 24 hour timer. You literally have 24 hours to decide if a game is worth returning, which is impossible to do with games like The Sims. If you purchased a hard copy, sure you can return it, for a fraction of what you've paid for it, and when packs and the base game range from $40 to $60 a pop, there really is no point in returning if you can only get half (if you're lucky) back. Let people express their frustrations. If you don't feel the same way, just scroll past it. That's it.
There is a difference between critism and telling the devs to kill themselves. The later is what 99% of the "fans" are doing.
"Entitlement?"
I'm sorry, but an EP is freaking $40 here! That's the price of a full AA game!!!
The full price for all the DLCs cost up to $700!!!! That's 7 times the price of the top triple A game in the industry. And if any triple A game has that many bugs and lack of gameplay like the Sims 4, it would literally go out of business.
But apparently it's the Sims 4 and Maxis/EA, so it's okay to do so. The Sims community is the easiest base I've ever seen.
Z. I truly believe that’s why EA jumped on this game. Most of the community is highly loyal and will defend anything, even through the obviously bad stuff. They’d have been dumb to NOT jump on this, knowing EA’s history when it comes to games. They just want money and most of us are eager to give it and be grateful for whatever crumbs they give us.
and they wonder why people pirate the game
@Maiden Minnesota stop that 'real gamer' bullshit.
It's sexist and it's old.
@@doggytheanarchist7876 'real gamer' maybe a label that really doesn't mean anything but how is it sexist? Come on now, don't just throw terms around willy-nilly.
CARL HAS SPOKEN.
Can we stop shaming people for having opinions now?
Considering 99% of the people shaming people are the ones who hate the game, You're barking up the wrong tree.
@@EighmyLupin lol that is completely false. I have never seen any comments here (on youtube) or on the forums that have attacked other simmers. Most of these people who say that the game is ok as it is are the ones who are always on the offensive when someone voices out their dismay in this game. If you go into the Eco-Lifestyle trailer, you will see comments saying how they do not like this pack. You will NEVER see a comment saying that people should stop liking the game. It's always about how they are disappointed AT THE GAME, not at each other. The people who initiate are the EA fanbois/girls.
@USCAN14 oh you mean like how EA fan boys are when they insult people for expressing how they dont like the game? Haha. Seriously, it IS fan boys who are always initiating these arguments. I dont think I have ever seen a comment saying "people who likes the sims are stupid" or anything like that. It IS these fan boys who always comment on those comments, telling that to shut up. And I believe that is what you are saying. So please dont be delusional. Thanks.
People gotta remember that the developers are not your friends. They are creating a product for you to buy. If you spend lots of money on something and it isn't meeting REASONABLE expectations, then you have every right to complain. Just like in any other industry. If I go to a restaurant and pay $20 per dish, I want great food and great service. If I get a tiny portion of low quality food and a server who ignores me, you bet I'll be upset. I'm not going to be "grateful."
The ad that just came out today for Eco Living is the perfect example of all of this:
- Sims 4 is now trying to target a younger audience so that their audience expects less
- We are more than allowed in a capitalist system to be unhappy or disheartened by purchases we have made and we are allowed to let our views be heard. What's wrong with the capitalist system here is that there is no alternative. The sims has no real competition so do not have to improve their product. If you have bought all games at full price for Sims 4 at this point I think the cost is over $500. Do you think it is worth $500 in its current form?
- We all adore this game. That's very clear. We aren't targeting EA and the Sims teams because we hate them. We just want the best version of the sims. I think its clear from the communities reaction to things like tiny living that when things are done WELL we are all incredibly excited. It isn't all negative.
Go read the comments on that video though, it is very clear how the community feels about the way we are being marketed to
D;
Some people have been fence-sitting for like 6 years now, just got out of Sims only temporarily and keep an eye on what's going on. They own the base game and maybe 1 pack, they just didn't get into it. I know a lot of these people.
The game with all the Packs at launch in the Us, with Eco Lifestyle costs 720$, lol. The game is not worth half that 😂
You also add in the game changers and simmer CZcamsrs it's a receipe for discourse becuase you now have some of their fans in the mix defending every word that content creator says instead of listening to their wallets and what they want thats a dangerous mix since most of these fans are quite young and content creators have a fear looming over there heads to praise or they might get their status removed as a game changer seeing how negative the entire program is to simmers eyes for EA it prints money for the publicity and marking since that person's favorite Simmer praised the new stuff pack ect. The community is a hot mess and divided most of the time becuase of the untrust EA has formed over the years
The other part of Capitalism you forgot is that competition breeds invention and that it's a free market. This means ANYONE can come in and attempt to disrupt their stranglehold. It's cool and all to say that the capitalism system is wrong, but what's wrong is no one is stepping up to the plate to try. Well, except for Paralives, but no one is talking about it.
I feel like most of the people who complain about simmers being "entitled" are kids that ask their parents to buy the game for them. They probably don't know how money works and/or haven't worked for it before.
True, but I feel a lot of it also comes from adult players who are fortunate enough to have the money to spend on a new pack every time one comes out. For some people, $40 is no biggie; for others, it’s a large amount of money to spend.
Yeah, 30 year old adult here who really doesn't care about the price bc I like the game.
Sunshine congratulations. 32 year old adult here who likes my games to actually have substance.
@@bexb3557 no need to be facetious. I was just stating that not everyone willing to pay $40 is a child. I mean, to me, $40 is not that much when I work full time.
Tell me about it. I'm 14 and when I first got the sims 4 I would buy packs for the full price and be happy with them. I didn't know about the sims 2 or 3 so I had nothing to compare them to. But now I realise that the sims 2 and 3, 3 especially, packs had much more gameplay and was worth your money while sims 4 packs are mediocre at best and just lack so much. I've always bought packs with my own money so now I really look into the value of a pack instead of impulse buys.
When people are critical it means that they care, sure some people can sometimes be too critical or harsh, attacking the developers are never okay. But I see people who really invested a lot of time and money into this franchise and they are feeling that they are getting less and less.
And they are critical because they care and still buy packs for the sims4. If we would not care, then people would no longer buy packs for the sims4. You can't have both, not for a game that people have played for so many years.
Could not agree more. People love the franchise or some of them would just move on. There aren't other life sim games to speak of right now, but there are definitely simulations and casual games that 100% appeal to simmers. Just doesn't scratch the itch.
You took the words right out of my mouth. I don’t even buy Sims 4 packs anymore because I’m not willing to waste money on things I don’t think are getting better, but I have loved this game since the very beginning and I don’t want it to be just another EA-killed franchise. It’s so much better than that. So, yeah, I still watch reviews and let’s plays, hoping it is getting better, but I just see, well, not enough content for the price people are paying and that makes me upset, not just for me, but for those who are constantly buying new packs, hoping it finally makes their game good, but ending up disappointed yet again. Criticizing that isn’t entitled; it is wanting a game you love to live up to its previous titles in the series because you know what it’s capable of.
Entitled would be whining to get things that they have never had in the sims or can’t actually be done in the sims. Entitled would be begging for things they don’t deserve. Complaining about a game we have paid for not being up to standards isn’t entitled. EA/Maxis/Sims are the one who set the bar with sims2&3 and have dropped the ball with sims 4. Expecting to receive the product we pay for isn’t entitlement.
TJ G how is it not up to standard?
@@Ben-uz5of good joke😂😂. There are so many reasons it's not up to standard. That List would take a while to make.
@@Ben-uz5of It's not up to the sims 2 and 3's standards by far
The people all throwing their toys out of the pram saying 'but we WANTED Farming, everything else is rubbish' is entitlement, no?
Simsfan - farming was a fake leak and I’m disappointed too, but that isn’t EAs fault. Calling EA out for splitting up old pack ideas into 3 or 4 different packs and charging full price is their fault. Especially when they don’t add traits or fix anything that’s missing. I mean the base games of old sims had so much more and here we are almost 6 years in.
You forgot "if you don't like it, don't buy it". I saw a bunch of those today too. Though every game in the franchise had its issues, gameplay for me was never one of them. Sims 4 is not known as a YA simulator for nothing. I suspect anyone who disagrees with this video simply never got to play past games and it shows.
Or “find a new game” and my favorite one “go back to sims 3.” 😅
It’s almost like we can play or enjoy something and still criticize it. It’s like that meme where the one guy is like “we should improve society” and the other guy is like, “yet you live in society”. Like, yeah, we do because it’s the only option, doesn’t mean it’s perfect or above improving. Sims is really our only good option, and it’s not perfect nor above improving.
Ikr...and it's quite hypocritical, because with that same logic, someone could say to them "If you don't like the criticism, then don't reply to it"
Well, Sims 2 was Teen simulator in my memories...
And Sims 1 was killing simulator. Drown your simmers, your simmers burn to death.....
"If you don't like it, don't buy it! Play something else!"
Yeah, because the Life Sim genre has SOOOO many other options for people to play.
That's one of the biggest issues here. We don't HAVE another option. If you enjoy the genre, it's the Sims or nothing. If I don't like what's in the latest Call of Duty game, I can play one of the dozens of other shooters on the market. If I don't like Anthem, but still want to play an online looter-shooter, I can play Destiny instead. There's dozens of MMOs and RPGs to choose from. But with Life Sims? You get the Sims, or you get nothing.
I really disagree with gamechangers who are annoyed that some people are already upset about Eco Living. The trailer just didn't promise a lot of gameplay and the world changing quest definitely is a one time experience which is not what the game needs.
Exactly, it's like Strangerville. It's a very interesting experience and i was scared for my sim and terrify the hell out of me, but it's only one time experience, it's like buying story pack for an rpg game. Which is not what we expect cause sims is a life stimulation game
ForeverDreamWithinADream Can you direct me to the game changers who “just complain” because I rarely see them just complaining for the heck of it. At most, they are giving some light constructive criticism. Just because they don’t like things doesn’t mean they are “just complaining”. I feel like this whole video went over your head.
I hate people that say "just be grateful" but I also hate people saying "we don't ask for this" and being rude.
fyi the gurus have confirmed that eco living won't be a storyline like strangerville! it adds pollution and you can fix it if you want, it also affects almost all worlds in game! you can toggle those effects if you want them in your game or not. i don't like that people compare it to strangerville because there is no quest
@@seekerandthinker Yes! I am definitely not for being rude. That just doesn't help. You're right the comments are often very blunt.
I wish they had more time/resources to really polish the packs and do more testing.
There's always something wrong at launch - which I get. But missing a toilet/door? Forgetting to set the price on potions? It's small things, I know, but when I pay so much for the pack I don't want those silly mistakes. Everytime I play there is some sort of bug showing up. It could be a new one or (dare I say) one thats been known for YEARS.
Am I disappointed in the sims 4? Yeah sometimes. Could I just stop spending my money on the packs? Of course. But I still love this game! Sometimes it's just easier to focus on the negative when we pay so much for these games even if there's plenty of postives.
This! It’s like with the acting career. Completely broken. This is the whole point of get famous and you can’t even go to a gig.
The funny thing is, is that they mostly rush because the same people bitching about the quality are always bitching when it takes more than a few months to pump out a new pack. The player base are shooting themselves in the foot and then not understanding why they're bleeding.
For a franchise as big and lucrative as The Sims, I find it hard to believe they can't put more time/resources into polishing and testing a pack before it comes out. To me it seems more likely that they noticed they can get away with releasing unpolished packs, so they choose to reallocate that time/those resources to the next money maker. And that makes me both sad and frustrated.
I’m sure they wish they had more time, too, but we know that’s not how this business works. Games of this size patch regularly because bugs are effectively unavoidable. I’ve done enough work like this to know the frustration of catching a bug during QA, having engineering make a fix, checking that the fix goes through, and then realizing that the bug has reappeared at launch, often because of some totally separate bug fix that knocked it loose again. As annoying as it is for the end user, I can assure you that for the people behind the product, it’s annoying and also frustrating and infuriating and even embarrassing and disappointing, because ultimately the people who put hours of work into this stuff want it to be good and they want people to be happy. I’ve worked for people whose reaction to finding a mistake was to email asking HOW DID THIS HAPPEN as though the concept of error-human or machine or otherwise-is foreign to them, when all I needed was a heads up that something was wrong so that I could get the ball rolling to fix it.
That’s why I think it’s important to put bugs and mistakes into context and to respect the people behind the game by assuming by default that the bugs and mistakes we see were at minimum caught along the way, not that the team is lazy or stupid, like they fell asleep at the wheel and forgot a toilet and no one cared enough to notice. (I know you didn’t really couch it this way, but I’ve seen enough people who do to feel comfortable with the generalization.) If you run into a bug, report it! And when they ask for feedback, make it a point to not focus exclusively on the negatives. Hearing about what you like and what works well is just as valuable as hearing about what you dislike and what’s broken, and it’s just generally encouraging when you know that your hard work is appreciated.
@@EighmyLupin yes. You can't have it both ways. I think the Paralives team are going to be in for a shock.
the sims 4 is too expensive for it to be so bad. if it was in the price range of sims 2 or hell even sims 3 it would be worth the amount of money you pay for it. however, even the small packs are pricey and dont add too much to the experience so the devs should really step up their game because they sure lost me and i dont think im alone with anything i just said.
Imagine for the poor bastards who don't pay in dollars, and therefore pay twice, trice, four times that much.
@@angeljaceherondale I don't think Economy works that way :v
@@ekzac No it works like that. In my country dolar is 7 times our currency.
@@ekzac That's why I literally can't buy anything outside my country, 2$ for a pen? We pay 14$ for that, you can buy a meal with that.
@Leaf It's called the anchoring effect, it makes you think "so this thing originally cost X, now it costs half of that? what a steal!". Seriously, I advise everyone to google it, it's an eye-opener. Products are deliberately overpriced, so in "sales" they can appear cheap "in comparison", when it's actually closer (but still nowhere near) to the true value of the item, AND the store is still making money. it's a diabolical machine. As far as games go, key resellers like Instant Gaming (recommend!) are your best friends. EPs at 15-16 consistently there, and do recheck occasionaly bc the prices change. Only GPs and SPs are worth waiting for a 50% sale on Origin.
I've spent ...thousands...on this franchise. I want things a certain way and I've more than payed for it. Mods help fill the gap.
@@Heartless2k3 AT ALL.
I recently stumbled unto a video of 1hr+ with all the Sims Trailers from TS1 to TS4 and I feel like from the trailers you can get a good idea of where everything went down just comparing the content that came with every pack. Just comparing base game from each one, TS4 seems lackluster. Besides emotions, better looking overall and more control on how our sims look, TS4 didn't improve too much on the previous games and it even stripped down on SO MUCH the other games had already achieved. While you can see huge jumps between TS1 to TS2 (the biggest evolution in my opinion) and then from TS2 to TS3, TS4 seems to have just regressed.
Just one think I can say, Carl: thank you for existing! I am getting so tired of EA white knight fans... Thank you for this, I couldn't agree more.
I feel like Carl is the only one of them that tells it straight and isn't afraid to criticize EA.
I feel like the whole “be grateful” thing really started or is mainly about the response we gave to the 20th anniversary “present” we got as a free base game update. But now it’s snowballed into something bigger after the voting for Nifty Knitting, the Tiny Living release and after the reveal of Eco Lifestyle. I really hope that people can be respectful of others but everyone is allowed to give their unbiased opinion, especially when they’ve spent their hard earned money on it. I love magic and witchcraft and sorcery in general and I was so hyped for Realm of Magic, which I bought with my own money and I was honestly so disappointed when playing it. So, I’m entitled because I feel like when I got watered down gameplay from a game pack? I’m entitled because I thought they were giving us some really complex gameplay features with what looked like at the time, light and dark magic, “good vs. evil” spell casters or even more nuanced grey area ones but we got a super kids friendly version instead that got boring really fast?
I really feel for console players cause you can always add mods on PC’s to try and create more meaningful gameplay, but they just have to live with it as is in their houses with no toilets. I also feel that it’s more evident how shallow the pack was in some of the let’s plays that came out after RoM. I’ve only seen a few CZcamsrs do a full let’s play and not a mini one off series or just build/buy and CAS. Even Semaj couldn’t stay engaged with mods and could barely make it to 10 episodes. I mean, the man made a 50 part series with Dine Out, the buggiest pack I’ve ever seen and it kept me engaged from start to finish.
Kiki Deeki Semaj really does try. It shows that a game is shallow when many let’s play people can barely do a full let’s play of most packs and they do certain things over and over. Like, one simmer I watch, Deligracy, I think it is, basically does building and baby/family challenges all the time. Is there nothing else to do in the game? Even after all these packs? It makes the packs seem very bare. That’s very concerning, and not “entitled” to want more and lasting gameplay.
You know I have seen people defend fallout 76 in a similar way saying if we dont support fallout 76 we can say goodbye to future titles.
BooDotBoo I couldn’t agree with you more. Most SimTubers that I watch are mainly builders who also do LPs and I can’t deny that Build/Buy in this version of the Sims is amazing, but the struggle is real. Vixella has basically switched to only building because the game at the moment doesn’t inspire her to do an LP. And I don’t know if you watch Lilsimsie but she uploads a video every. single. day and also streams like 6 days a week, the woman is a beast. She mostly does build videos and streams and some LPs and challenges but I don’t know where she’s pulling her motivation and inspiration from because even with how much I love the game, I can go a few months without playing it
thewewguy8t88 yea I can understand that thought process and for me that kind of thinking is what parents do to teach their kids about being appreciative. But we’re not their children, we’re their consumers right? We are paying for the services they provide us and like a SimGuru said in a tweet recently, at the end of the day, this is a business and in businesses, money can be a very powerful motivator. I don’t think that they’ll just stop making content for one of their biggest franchises and money makers especially since this industry relies heavily on repeat consumers. I hope they would be smart enough to realise that they shouldn’t ostracise a huge part of their base
@@KikiDeeki so i have things to say to you 1)i know lilsimsie honestly she really annoys me because quite frankly her videos scream out of desperatation that being said i think a number of sims 4 youtubers are kind of obnixsious and annoying and i have to admit their fan base is just as obxniouxs and annoying(like apparently they are kind of like the sims 4 in some ways) like unless i have anything positive to say about them i should not say anything at all. for the game is imporiving but that is not saying much but for me its more the comunity around the sims 4 that bugs me. a good example is when a streamer was asked to join a dev live stream she was laughing the whole time it was annoying and yet anything negative about her was shut down. like for me i feel like its not the games or whatever media that is the issue its the fanbase around that. are there personal issues i also have well yeah there are but i do think other issues are legit but its like no one is allowed to really point out any negative issues with people these days.
I would like to see a color wheel in the cas of sims 5, but not build/buy , mode. I think that is exessive and we should just be given good, matching swatches
I need a swatch in cas and build and buy mode. And that is actually not to much to ask for a Sims game being created in 2020! :)
but they can’t even do the matching swatches 😭😭😭😭 hurts so much
@Onion Face Paralives hasn't actually done it yet though- that's what makes me nervous about hanging our hopes on them. It's 4 people - we don't know if it will be stable and how many options there will be for things
Um, we had color wheels in build/buy in Sims 3... why would that be excessive? How would that be excessive? More customization is too excessive???
@@pissangelmindfreak It's really odd, isn't it? The developers didn't realize that mismatched pieces and the lack of plain black or white options were frustrating the player base. They had to be told something that seems to be simple common sense. There's a real disconnect between the people who make the decisions and the gamers who play the finished product.
At least, now that the devs know about the problem, the swatch issue has improved. Still, recoloring something is relatively easy. At this point, I'm not looking for easy fixes. I really need to see the Sims team tackle the more complicated issues that I couldn't already fix on my own -- personalities, familial relationships, the broken emotion system, hiring more animators to provide more variety in the interactions. Six years into this venture, I expect more. If that's entitled, so be it.
The sims 4 and all packs so far will run a player almost $500 which is steep compared to most other games so feedback and criticism, as long as it's constructive, are needed so it can be a continued success because at the end of the day EA is a business that must appeal to their player base in order to profit. If they gave us the packs as free updates and we complained, then that would be a much different story but these are things we pay for and expect to get our money's worth. I can't believe some people would say we should be grateful for what we spend our hard earned money on, like they never learned the value of a dollar or how a basic business model works lol.
We're bowing down to a megacorporation who's greedy. Yeah I do admittedly play the game almost everyday but they also make a product that has been half assed since release (but only sims 4 none of its predecessors). A lot of us just still find fun in it. Very bittersweet. Anyway..
People think we're the entitled ones for complaining?
I wholeheartedly don't think they have a clue about EA and the sims 4 developers.
I really don't understand how people are defending the developers at this point. The team isn't catering to the core audience, the people who have been playing this game through multiple iterations. The excuse that the packs are rushed is weak, nobody is really forcing their hand on when to put out new content. People WILL wait for good content. Giving us half done packs for the sake of getting something out isn't what we're asking for. We're literally begging them to improve what already exist.
You took the words right out of my brain. While I love the Sims, and I have loved the 20 years that I have played the game, I do expect more from them with this particular rendition. The game is shallow and lacking in very basic features. I feel that as a part of this community I have every right to voice my opinion.
HOWEVER, I am not going to poop all over a new expansion pack just because they have not updated babies yet. They are 2 completely different things in my opinion. Does it suck that babies are about as exciting as a "matter cube?" Yes, come on EA, do something! Am I going to let it ruin a new pack that I have not played yet, but looks different, exciting and game-altering? Absolutely not, I am pumped for the new pack!
Also, I am going to be respectful to all involved in this process, from Guru to Game Changer. Some of the repetitive comments, snide remarks and downright rudeness on videos and posts make me embarrassed to be associated with Sims players. I'm not here to defend EA or tell people to stop asking for what they want, but manners, timing and relevance. I am 100% sure that the team know that we want babies, cars and a farm pack by now. Personally, as much as I want to see this game improve (and there is a lot to improve on,) I still love it and enjoy playing it.
I am also a long time player and still play and enjoy the sims 4 but I think it's perfectly okay to angrily rant about it in comment sections. I also believe they know what we want but after 6 years it is really starting to feel like they can't deliver. I don't think anyone should harass the gurus or game changers or be rude to anyone, but to express disappointment about a new expansion and all the basic things we expect to see updated is perfectly fine imo. Although I will admit the fake farm pack rumour did affect my reception towards the latest expansion, on a closer look I am still not happy with what the new expansion offers so far.
@@naryainc I agree with you, ranting in comments sections is perfectly fine, and yes, we have been nagging for the same things over and over without seeing any progress, and in some case, acknowledgment of what we are nagging for. We need to be loud, critique the game and give our feedback. Regarding the pack, I think it is a personal preference and play style at the end of the day. As you said, the farm pack rumours did affect peoples reception. I would have frikken LOVED a farm pack, but I'm really excited for Eco-Living, too. What annoys me is people being rude and petty in the comments, and putting a baby update in the same category as a new pack. "We wanted babies and you gave us Eco-what-what!" They are separate issues in my mind. And heaven help EA if they update babies in the form of paid DLC. I just want to give this pack a chance, and hope that it's not going to be another flop.
This video couldn’t have come out at a better time. I’ve always felt let down by the sims 4, but it’s been so many years at this point that it’s hard to put into words. Yet anytime I see clips of sims 2 or 3 I remember features I had completely forgotten about, and suddenly miss them and feel let down all over again. Sims 5 is at this point a year overdue based off their previous release schedule, and sims 4 hasn’t even caught up yet. But hey, we’re getting more cozy sweaters with the new stuff pack >.>
Lolll I love the shade he threw when he put the username of the comment on the pc 🤣
Ah, nah, I didn't quite go so far I made up a really lame username :)
Carl's Sim Guides ohhh 😮 it was still funny tho 😂
My issue is that there shouldn't be more to do in a game like gta5 seven years later compared to an actual life simulator.
I absolutely agree with you. Even the part about Rise Of Skywalker.
Im glad you made this video because most of us that give feedback are not hateful. I love this game but there are things I wish could be fixed (Dine Out) or improved etc... not because I hate it or the devs. It's because I enjoy the game.
The one thing I miss in Sims 4 which is a tiny feature but causes me so much hassle. I want to be able to copy Makeup across outfits in CAS. I like a cohesive look and it's such a pain to have to go through each catagory for each outfit type and find the exact shade of eyeshadow or lipstick I used. If anyone knows a mod for this, please tell me!!
Perfectly said.
Personally, I don't NEED a colorwheel if given good swatches. Because to be serious the colorwheel was to make our OWN swatches. What did I previously use the colorwheel for? To make things MATCH, so the weird shades of blue carried through rather than have that ONE item with an off color that didn't go with anything, same for be it clothes or furniture. With proper swatches that would not be necessary. Just saying.
It does feel like gameplay is a downgrade from 2 and 3, in some ways even from 1. Too many things that were full play in all three first iterations are just nods in the fourth. I recently played sims 1, and the gameplay on that one in comparison to 4 is insane, in favor of 1 not 4. Sure the graphics aren't as good and somethings aren't as smoothly done as 4, but the playability is still much much better. That's truly saying something. And pretty much what you've said, but adding in sims 1. I don't know if you have played 1, but I think you would find it educational to be able to compare them since you can really judge the improvement from 1 to 2 and then again 2 to 3, but the crazy thing is judging playability of 1 to 4. It really does seem ... dumbed down isn't the right word, its more like watered down in some ways.
I know, I'm saying the same things, but darn it, it just has to be said. And I love that you say these things because people who have been playing since sims 1 started really feel this way.
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I honestly didn’t like the colourwheel, it always took so much time to match everything. I would love the swatch system from the sims 2 where we could decide on which bedding on which wood (taking Beds as example). I really can’t understand why they didn’t choose it for the Sims 4, because it would have been easy customization compared to the wheel and they were able to do it in 2.
@@BK-oo1sy Yes! That worked really well! Because if nothing else there as always that ONE that you could match to something else. The swatch thing was so innovative from sims 1! Thats what we wanted going from 3 to 4, innovation like that, not going backwards.
Just make things so they can be mixed and matched, thats all ANYBODY wants!!!
I loved the color wheel. If I remember correctly, you could use the eye drop tool to copy colors and you could save colors and patterns you’d made so you could easily use them again, so I never had an issue.
And I’ve played since Sims 1 and even thinking back to it, it’s better core gameplay than Sims 4. And that was the first game out the Maxis gate and it only got better... 4 just dropped the ball. I mean, nothing is random. For some reason they took out cops and robbers and firefighters. Why? To make it more kid-friendly? I was a kid playing Sims 1, it didn’t need to be dumbed down. I’m just confused at the direction they took for Sims 4. It’s so dumbed down that it’s boring. Where is the random excitement from having your house invaded in the middle of the night? And, believe it or not, I haven’t had a single fire since I started playing back in October of last year (I got the base game free, so finally gave it a chance), why? Is fire that bad that it can’t be in the game? I assume there is fire because I’ve seen it in let’s plays, but none of my sims have had one. It’s all just so boring. At this point, I tend to get on, spend an hour creating a sim, building a house, picking a career, and then log out. It’s rare I play more than an hour and I don’t play every day. I play, maybe once a week. I have other games that were cheaper be way more exciting. Like, Stardew Valley. I paid $10 for it and I’ve been playing it ever since it came out AND it gets free updates. Yet, I’m supposed to be grateful for Sims 4? 🙄
In my opinion, the worst thing about Sims 4 was that we had Sims 3 first. If I had never played Sims 3, I would probably like Sims 4 a lot more.
Did anyone who played Sims 1, 2, or 3 think that Sims 4 was an improvement when it came out?
Nope.
Absolutely not.
The only reason why I'm not playing Sims3 anymore is because it's very buggy and at a certain point (usually just when I'm growing attached to a family) will refuse to save my game, forcing me to start anew. And that's with a more than decent computer.
I like that Sims 4 doesn't get stuck in lag the way Sims 3 did.
@@ArtfullyGifted That is a fact and indeed a major improvement.
@@ArtfullyGifted Yes, the new game engine did get rid of those memory leaks (or whatever it was causing the crashes).
Thank you for this video.
It needs to be addressed to Sims community, because many people thinks sharing negative opinions = being toxic. And tbh If we won’t say that we are unhappy with what Sims 4 represents next generation won’t be any better. Why should be if there is no negative feedback?
I mean its clear they released a half assed sims game with 4. But lets not forget the broken garbage that was 3. However i had fun in 3 despite all that, and 4 is just boring despite having all those expansions and packs. Theres so much good in the game but the sims themselves are just too boring to play in 4.
I’m also going to say, looking through your comments, many people need to watch it again and again and go look up the definition of entitled means. That proves this video was sorely needed for this community.
Skyrim has far more content than the sims 4 would ever have and I bought it on sale for £7....😒
Thank you so much for this. Puts a lot of players thoughts into words. I get so frustrated when I express my issues with Sims and someone up EA’s butt tells me I’m entitled.
Exactly, sometimes I feel like
“Are we asking too much from EA?”
And then I look at how much I spent on the game, and I logged in the game...
“Nope!, we’re not...”
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Great Video and needed right now. We are what is known in this system as the CUSTOMER. It is normal to request improvement of a product we purchased (and is in no way inexpensive) that many enjoy, that is going downhill with respect to features and depth.
Carl, sometimes I think I love you, and then after a video like this, I realize I LOVE LOVE you.
Dear people who talk about "entitled/ungrateful" players : it's one thing to be perfectly content with the game as it is and have absolutely no issue with any of it, it's another to demand that other people shut up about what they take issue with. It's not our fault your standards are low.
So in point. Thank you
The problem is that the gameplay quality of Sims4 is inferior to that of its predecessors. We are simply asking for the same quality THAT ALREADY EXISTED. Basic things have been left out THAT ALREADY EXISTED. When making a sequel, you improve on the solid basis you have; you don't downsize and sell it as an improvement. Imagine Apple suddenly released an iPhone that doesn't offer Bluetooth anymore (wasn't that a thing?).
Spotted Zebra They took away the head jack...
This is a great video. We have this odd view of corporations across the board, acting like they are beneficent entities and not trying to make money for their shareholders above all else. We do not owe them our allegiance or praise.
Lady at Large Capitalism has done a great job of making us think companies are people simply because they employ people, but companies just want money. People will defend them to the death, even when the company has blatantly bad/evil practices that harm them directly. Then, you have people who pay their hard earned money on something, and if it’s bad, feel they just have to suck it up and be grateful. Since capitalism is a thing, people really need to learn the value of their dollar. The ONLY reason so many things are as good as they are, today, is because people spoke out, either through protests, boycotts, or unions, and things changed. Now, people are just... lazy, for lack of a better phrase, and if things don’t just get better on their own, somehow, then they just accept it. Like with the Sims, they just keep giving them their money. And while we are just talking about a game here, it’s a small example of what’s going on in the world. People wanting better working conditions being called entitled. Imagine telling someone they need to just accept bad treatment or dangerous conditions because you need to be grateful you have a job. Unfortunately, that’s the world... and it’s also EA and The Sims and the sim community.
I have seen many of entitled sims gamers, and let me be clear, being critical isn't being entitled. Being entitled is the Sims 4 team putting out something pc players have that console players don't have and saying its big news when it kinda is for console players, but certain simmers wanted more features that they specifically want. Usually i find that its exactly as that last sentence, the sims team announces something, is pretty open how the game is going to be, then when the game pack/etc releases some players freak out because the one thing that they wanted in there wasn't in there, and specifically when the devs clearly said what was going to be there. Setting unrealistic expectations onto a game especially the sims 4 team when they are so restricted on what they can or cannot do by their management is pretty entitled to me. Wanting more features is not entitled, but not getting the one or two things you wanted that weren't announced seems entitled to me. Then critiquing the game is fine, that's usually after the game is out and deals directly with how the gameplay is. I have a ton of critiques with the sims 4, for instance l how some older packs/etc don't even really work or aren't compatible with other packs, or main game updates, some of the gameplay loops are kinda dull, random strangers freezing your character so they can run all the way across the lot to talk to your character even though they don't know you, and many more. I do seriously hope paralives is a big success because hopefully it will stop the sims devs from being lazy, or so restrictive on their game for the sake of being E for everyone.
shadybrain3424 completely agree, there’s way more nuance to it than just “I bought the game so I get to complain”
Yeah, that’s literally NOT being entitled. And I’ve not seen many people asking for things not in previous games, which we know can be added. Did you even watch the video?
@@BooDotBoo yes, did you read my comment? it's not just asking for stuff its expecting it to be in there when they said it wouldn't which they have done many times.
The Sims 4 is actively being 'worked upon'... But I think to say it's being improved upon is a bit of a stretch.
Hear, hear! I feel like there should have been majestic music playing in the background. Well said!
😂😂😂 right!
Yes Carl 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 get them all the way together!!
DECADES!!!
(I think this is the closest I ever saw of Carl being genuinely mad at something)
Thank you!! So many jerks that were mad we arent peachy keen preaching on CZcams. I've played and PAID for 20 years I can say what I'm frustrated with without being entitled.... and yes I know I don't have to buy it... mind blown... never thought about that!!!🙄🙄
I’m just going to say no. You can’t really be entitled for something you pay for, wanting quality from it. It would be very different if this game was free or there were a million GOOD versions of the Sims. Plus, The Sims used to be a LOT better and have more to it; why can’t I be annoyed by that? I also hate the “be grateful” thing. I don’t have to be grateful for anything, especially when I paid for it. And I know what comment you mean. I saw someone actually say Sims might stop making the game if we keep criticizing it. Yeah, that’s not ever happening.
As long as people aren’t just going “I hate the sims and hope they die” then I’m fine with criticism. Nothing ever gets better without constructive criticism and I see that way more than people just being rude and angry.
Your expansion pack illustration was so poignant 😭 What use are emotions when the sims are defaulted to be happy
Well I have used my entitlement to leave the sims and find other interests...That only costs about 10 dollars...I belive a sims era is fininshed fore me after 20 years. Now i am supporting Paralives ( you should look in that direction Carl). And even if it is a bit cartoonish..it is beatiful. And the crev are very dedicated...much more than one have experinced since Maxis owned the sims!
Hi, Carl...thanks again for your opinion...
1)I guess everybody has her/his own vision of what the game should look like/should include, but:
- it lacks so much / traits,babies,gameplay,etc./.
- feedback from players is ignored.
- packs are over-priced and most of them "boring" /my opinion😁/.
2) So no, we are not entitled and we won't be "grateful" ...😁😁😁
I skipped the last few packs and will continue till a nice big update is done / interesting pack comes along...Have a nice day, Carl and everybody else 😉
Great video. I’ve had other CZcams creators yell at me in there comments just for exercising my right to have a negative opinion about the greedy underwhelming direction the game is going. You made a great point about if nobody ever criticized the sims it would never get any better.
Your animation and editing game is so awesome. Carl you are growing and I am proud of you.
Thanks a lot! I'm learning after effects so I figured in a few spots here I'd show my "practice" renders. It's going well, it's just a very deep rabbit hole and I wish I had started earlier ,but hey... never too late to learn.
@@CarlsSimGuides What platform do you use to learn?
Thats true. And something I would add: people that criticize us are also complaining. Hahahaha.
I only bought a few packs. Seasons, cats and dogs, Island living, and university... The game is so unplayable without these gameplay dlcs it's very stressful. I have to use mods and cc to have an enjoyable experience. I paid $60 for the game when it dropped, and we didn't even have toddlers. They just focus on the aesthetics of the game but the gameplay is horrible. I finish building and creating characters and leave the game for the week. I have over 10k mod files.. This game is horrible.
Entitled? What a wild accusation. EA has stipped so much content out of The Sims over the years only to sell it back to players in a more shallow form. Calling that out isn't entitlement and a Billion dollar company isn't some underdog that needs people to defend them.
Love this video! You seem to be improving your editing. Just asking are you gonna continue your Super Sim series??
I pretty much capped it off, he got to where he would kill a skill in just a couple hours! And thanks for the compliment on my editing. I'm learning that and after effects so that when I need something, I know how to make it. Still a good bit to learn.
@@CarlsSimGuides Ok good to know. And good luck! After Effects is really fun after you get past the learning curve :)
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YESSSSSSS!!! THIS!!!
I agree with you wholeheartedly but that little Jim Jones baby just gave me the shivers, lol.
I’ve been playing Sims since Sims 1, and I think the heavy disappointment comes from losing some form of gameplay with each level that comes out. Even by the end of the lifecycle, after all the expansions have come out, we have permanently lost something that you enjoyed in the level before it.
Since the developers know that this game (TS4) is profoundly lacking, do you all think it's better to move onto TS5? It seems like a waste to me to drag the dead horse on through the mud. What do you all think?
Please for the love of all that is holy just don't release it too early. We will buy it up, if we can see the series return to open world and with those features that are now missing even 5 years in. I do not want to start with bare bones and broken systems again.
I'm hoping they break away from whatever company is making the packs suck, and that new management would come around and brighten things up, but I feel as if the Sims 5 would be another cashgrab and should re-make the other sims games. If Sims 5 doesn't have Sims 4 graphics and Cas Options, Sims 3 traits, gameplay, and open world, Sims 2 lore, and Sims 1 charm, I'm not buying it or it's overpriced game packs. But most people will, keeping EA going.
they'll be releasing sims 4 stuff right until the launch of sims 5. they won't make any gaps in content - that's gaps in profit.
Based on Sims 4 I'm not excited at all for Sims 5. I'd rather they take these next couple of years and fix the Sims 4 instead of starting from scratch...
I don't think I will be buying Sims 5. I am going to just wait it out. If LGR gives a good report to buy it. That be when I buy it.
That was perfect. Thank you.
Great that you addressed this topic. It's been going on for a while and people took advantage of this
Carl, I have never loved you more than I have right now! Lol! Thank you for saying what many of us feel. For some reason there are simmers that see EA as some benevolent entity handing out rainbows and lollipops to one and all when the fact is...they are a business...plain and simple...and their bottom line and sole purpose is to get our coins. With our coins they pay business expenses, employees, etc. then they use the profit to live lavish lives. If they can sell us less for more then that is exactly what they will do. No more and no less. If I purchase anything, it better be good quality for my money because I spent hours of my time earning that money. I have a right to complain if something is not up to my expectations and NO ONE is going to make me feel bad for doing so. I live in the real world and I know how the real world works. This ain't no fairy tale.
Hmm at first, going in my answer was "yes of course we are entitled, everyone says so" but as I watched I came around to your view. I feel like the word gets thrown around so much, it's good to step back and remember what it actually means:
entitled /ɪnˈtʌɪt(ə)ld/ adjective
believing oneself to be inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment.
"kids who feel so entitled and think the world will revolve around them"
On an unrelated side note: the animations, though crude, kept me focused on the topic at hand - keep it up
i'm actually thankful for this video and comment because english is not my first language and here i was, thinking entitlement wasn't a strong word
Neither is it mine @@HinaryLuna00 I agree but to me it seemed like a grave insult while to a native speaker it might just be another adjective. I love it when we learn from each other
No one is asking for special treatment or feel we deserve anything we did not pay for. We all pay for this game and, because of previous games we had valid expectations; we don’t just expect it given to us or to be completely perfect. We ask for features that have been in previous games to be included and better game play. That’s not special treatment. That’s why it blows my mind to see so many players saying we are all entitled and toxic for this.
I totally agree with this. Nothing more to add. Thanks so much !
I'm a musician so I have a great analogy. When you buy an instrument it can have a little scratch on it and you automatically deserve to have it exchanged. Some of my instruments cost LESS than TS4 with all of the content. It's freaking ridiculous. And with instruments sometimes you are ENTITLED to have your instrument maintained, fixed and taken care of by the makers as soon as ANY problem with it comes up. You spent your money and you do indeed deserve to get your money worth. There is absolutely no reason why a game should not be like that too, especially with how much it costs and how hard/long you would have to work to afford all of the content. It's just basic respect towards your customer who trusted you and gave you their money. They could have spent it on ANYTHING but they chose to spend it on your game. Talk about grateful... People who are pissy about it are bootlickers, don't understand how the world/capitalism works, are children or literally don't know anything about video games other than The Sims and some mobile games (Where the gamer is also just a coin purse to the developer and gets little while cashing out a lot... *cough* micro transactions *cough*. Talk about EA, right? EA and mobile games have a lot in common if you think about it.). Being EnTiTlEd just means nothing at this point to some people, it's 'offended' all over again. It can be a positive/normal thing too. Entitlement doesn't automatically equal bad. It would be bad if all of those people complaining got it for free but that's just not how it is.
Also, 'complaining' done by adult, intelligent fans is literally just free work/labor done voluntarily. They could be doing anything and yet they spend their time and energy trying to HELP the company that doesn't respect them/their money. The company, especially such a big and famous one should be the one busting their asses trying to please the customers and think hard and long how to release a perfect product and how to fix the mistakes. The fact that fans, who paid SO MUCH money, trusted them and ended up getting something not 100% satisfying still love the game enough/still trust them and do the work for them even going to the lengths of fixing the game for them with mods is unspeakable. But sure, fans are the bad ones... The fans are literally the backbone of this franchise. The Sims would literally not survive until this point if it wasn't for the fans, the custom content, the feedback. So to come for them is absolutely ridiculous. If anything, the Sims community is one of the most patient, understanding, tolerant, passionate, hard working, altruistic and least entitled fandoms out there.
OH! How i love that one sentence he says (04:44 - 04:50)...
Thank you Carl! This really needed to be said. I feel like I see this argument all of the time on the forums. We, as paying customers are allowed to give feedback whether that be positive or “negative.” I’ve been playing sims since day 1. I’ve seen the good and the bad with it through out the years. If someone wants to express what they don’t like about it in a respectful way, I don’t see the problem.
I don't think people who complain are entitled, but I have noticed some people who are just mean with their criticism. It is possible to criticise and be respectful at the same time. Like when the Sims team makes a pack that you don't want, it doesn't automatically make it rubbish, and it doesn't mean that they are not working hard developing the game. I've also noticed some childish comments under videos and tweets posted by The Sims team where people only comment to say that they are going to be playing Paralives in the future. It is fine to be exited about Paralives, but if they don't care about The Sims anymore, why are they watching their videos and spending time commenting? It just makes them seem petulant.
But of course they still care. Otherwise those people would not even bother commenting. It's just part of the toxic relationship with EA. They are so disapointed that they think that snarky remark is going to make it so, that EA improves the Sims 4, now of a sudden. Why bother saying that Paralivs is going to kill the Sims, if not to crank up EA to take the competition seriously and to bring out a better product. All those people are Sims fans at their core. They are just not happy with 4. If 5 turns out to be a great game, I'm sure many would pick it up. :)
Its made worse from the fact we have previous games from past iterations that display what they are CAPABLE to deliver. I bought into Sims 4 after years of options with Sims 2, with half the packs and still waiting for certain features I enjoyed so much. When I got Some 2 apartments I was allowed to make my own apartment buildings however I wanted. With city living we are far more constrained. I still play the heck out of Myshuno. But having the comparison dulls the fun. Each pack adds a bit back and something new, but also they bank on the mod community to cover the slack. Giving something then taking it away creates entitlement.
Goblinface Graphics The difference is that they were able to deliver that on a Sims 2 scale, when it was a completely different game. Compared to S4, build mode was way less fleshed out, so there were fewer things to have to account for when apartments came along. Now that we have more control, there’s more that they would need to change or even overhaul in order to make apartments fully functional while also making sure that it doesn’t impact other parts of the game already released. It’s possible that they tried it and it was too problematic to move forward. At the very least, I’d bet money that they wanted them to be fully functional and had to make the choice to pull it back somewhere in the development process. We know that apartments are complicated enough that they always come in expansions. To me, it’s entitled to think about it from that POV and still be mad that it’s not there just because a game from 16 years ago had something like it, especially given the trade offs in functionality that we’ve gotten in all of build mode. My own opinion? I’d love it if they had apartments built into S5 but I don’t want it at the expense of build mode being as restricted as it was in past games.
I agree with you previous games offered so much more bang for your buck now they try to sell dlc for dlc that was pretty lackluster to previous generations of the same dlc
With all the large sum of money we spent, we have the RIGHT to be "entitled". But, EA keeps giving us trash. Now it's time to move on to Paralives.
Shoot, I'm going to sleep (it's night here where I live), and that freakin'n bear might cause me nightmares...😱🤣
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Love that you created this video and voiced what many of us think and feel
Well I see you’re having fun in Photoshop haha. But anyways, thank you for making this video! I’ve seen so many people say we should be grateful the dev team is giving us content like???? We’re paying for this???? Why wouldn’t they? And they also get really mad at other sim CZcamsrs for pointing out flaws and complaining about the game. But I’ve also seen a lot of people extremely rude to the guru and say awful things to them and they really need to stop. The gurus are humans too and no one should be treated like that especially over a game since most of the people who say things like haven’t been buying eps for a long time now or never even bought the base game
Not at all. WEVE PAYED HUNDREDS for good content
Thank you for explaining this for all the people that for some reason still can’t understand lol I’ve stated my opinion a couple times on CZcams comments or on twitter and every single time I get people calling me names telling me I’m mad because I’m broke or being ungrateful and stupid or like you said entitled lol but whatever screw them
How do I add an extra thumbs up? One just is not enough as I so agree with you. Thank you.
Well said, both respectfully and intelligently!!
Agree 100% (including about Skywalker) and side note...love the Goku power up in the background lol
I love ur channel. Lol if I have a problem or questions I turn to ur channel!!!! Please do more videos on city living! Xo
Completely agree. We are not entitled. We are expressing our disappointment on a product that keeps falling short. In fact, we are suggesting for things to improve the game for the betterment of the game. So really, if EA could only look at feedback as just that and just really listened to their fans, then this wouldn't drag on and on for every single pack they release.
4:43 eeekk! It’s possessed. 🥺🤣
Thank you. You are now my favorite person. 🙌
Well said! I loved your presentation of this touchy subject - you made your point and entertained me while doing so. I do agree - it's not what we say but how we say it. Sims fans are loyal and have spent and continue to spend 'lots' of money on this game and its predecessors - we should be able to share our opinions and wishes 'respectfully'. So, thumbs up for this one and thanks ❤
Love the editing, Carl!
Those of us who have been spending our money on this game since the very beginning have every right to seem entitled. We know its' potential and are simply holding the developers to the standard that they themselves have previously set
Thank you once again! :)
This is equivalent to me doing a rockstar job at work, and when people praise my efforts, being like, "hey, I can get overtime by stretching the work out that I did in 40 hours into 50. They should be grateful. I don't have to be here working."
I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as it doesn't become a habit. Like some youtubers ,of whom I can not name because I don't remember, make a habit of complaining about every pack that either has a few bugs, as can be expected, or if it's not something they like. I just think that instead of complaining about everything they should take a minute to appreciate what stuff we actually do have.
Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking! ❤️