Have Star Cards Become Too Important In The Hobby? The "Other" Great Players Are Super Cheap!!
Vložit
- čas přidán 29. 04. 2024
- In taking a look at some of the best deals under $50 from the 1950s last month, a common theme seemed to continue to come up: The "Second Tier" HOFers are shockingly affordable, and seem to be falling off the radar of many collectors. While many collectors are chasing Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, and Roberto Clemente, others phenomenal players seem to be dipping in price. Is it the economy? Will it always be like this? Do collectors only care about the super stars of the past? Let's take a closer look at some of the best deals from March and see if you see the same trend that I observed.
If you're interested in trying the Market Movers App, you can get a 14 day free membership and a 20% discount off of an ongoing membership by registering with the promo code: Midlife
Here is a link to register if you're interested. You just need to remember to use the promo code of Midlife. www.sportscardinvestor.com/pl...
Using the promo code Midlife will activate the discount for you. Again, the promo code is: Midlife
(Ad) FYI- I do receive a small payment if you register using my promo code
Some of my other recent videos:
PSA's CEO Shares Big Changes at PSA: • Several Big Changes an...
Multiple Pickups at an Epic Card Show: • The Best Card Show I'v...
Has the Card Collecting Community Lost Their Minds: • Have Card Collectors L...
Avoid this Common Card Collecting Mistake: • Card Collectors Can't ...
Why to Buy the Card and Not the Grade: • The Best Advice: "Buy ...
Buying HOF RCs Before they're HOFers: • Buy Their Cards Before...
A Recent May 2023 Card Show Vlog: • Rocklin Card Show Vlog...
Going back in time to see what vintage cards were worth in 1986: • Baseball Cards Have Go...
Why We Should Be Buying PSA 1s: • Here's Why I Think You...
Better understanding the supply and demand of sports cards: • How to Predict the Fut...
A Recent Card Show With Tons of Vintage and t206 Cards: • This Card Show Was Loa...
My Analysis on whether Rookie Cards are Overrated: • Are Rookie Cards Reall...
My Dad's Estate Sale Find of a Lifetime; A Shoebox of Vintage Cards: • Finding a Shoebox of V...
Why PSA is Still Beating SGC: • The Reasons Why PSA is...
Top 5 Undervalued Vintage Rookie Cards: • Why Are These 5 Vintag...
Consider following me on other platforms:
Twitter: @MidLifeCards
Instagram: @MidLifeCards
TikTok: @MidLifeCards
Email me at: MidLifeCards@gmail.com
#vintagecards #baseballcards #sportscards #thehobby
All statements and opinions shared in this video (and all of my videos) are for entertainment purposes only, and are not investment advice. I consider Sports Cards to be a hobby, and not an investment. If you're interested in investment advice, I recommend connecting with a certified financial planner. - Sport
Ralph Kiner is my cousin. So underrated and overlooked!
Unfortunately, he always will be. Awesome player, but will never get the recognition he deserves.
He was terrific.
Another great video. Some great value in those cards! Campy, Feller, Ford, Spahn have so many inexpensive cards out there. Almost criminal.
Totally agree.
The love that Frank Robinson doesn't get in this hobby baffles me. Its a head scratcher.
That's because it's a popularity contest.
Totally agree.
Hey Graig, thanks for mentioning Peewee Reese. It always amazes me to see HOF'ers priced so low. I'll keep buying them at these prices 😁
Agree. A great deal.
I agree with your mind blown picks for March but would add one: the 1958 Topps Sluggers Supreme card. How a 1958 card with Ted Williams on it sells for under $35 is mind blowing to me. Currently have one on my watchlist on eBay that is listed for $35.50. It has a PSA grade 3 and a very noticeable crease/bend in one of the corners. (That's the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger on buying it yet.)
Those multi player cards are the best
I've always gravitated towards guys like Kaline, Mathews, and Killebrew, even when I was younger. Getting back into the hobby I found a new respect for guys like Dave Winfield, Don Sutton, etc. Even guys like Mike Schmidt and George Brett, or Dave Parker whose careers were slowing down when I was collecting a long time ago. I love getting their cards from the 70's
Great players that are affordable!! Great choices!!
Hi Graig, some real beauties for under $50. Those last two Mantles, are incredible. Thanks for sharing pal.
Appreciate it. How's my Jackie that you're holding for me? :-)
Right now I’m slowly completing the playing days Topps base runs of Mathews, Kaline and Frank Robinson. Last year I completed Luis Aparicio’s run. So, this video of highlighting under appreciated players is well timed !
Best of luck on obtaining the 52 Mathews. That's a stack of cash for sure.
@@alltimesportscards Highly unlikely I'd be able to get the 52 Topps Mathews.... 😐
Great choices. Great players that are affordable.
some mighty handsome cards, Graig. if you're in this hobby to just enjoy your collection, just get the players and cards you like and don't worry about the low grades. But if you're in it strictly for investment, and if you have a boatload of cash, it seems it's best to focus on maybe 50 players in baseball and football and get the 9 or more grades, except with Mickey Mantles and Goudeys and T206s where just decent grades are enough - along with pop. I'm learning a lot here, Graig :)
Appreciate the kind words.
Another great recap Graig! As someone who occasionally puts together video presentations like this, I greatly appreciate the work you put in to do these so often.
And to my surprise, I see my very own Whitey Ford card leading off the show!
Thanks John. It's mind blowing how affordable some of these are.
1957 Topps is quickly becoming my favorite Topps set of the 50s. I’m not sure what it is and I really didn’t appreciate it too much, but my mind has definitely changed lately.
It's a popular set since it has the star power rookie cards, which lights up the Christmas Tree of many PSA-registry guys. Condition sensitive cards as well. Very common to see ''snowing'' on the surface.
@@ACD1994 I really like the 53 Bowman Color. Now, that set may be my favorite from the 50s
It has some great cards in it.
There is no question stars have become "too important" for the hobby. There are a lot of reasons why but I think one factor is social media. People want a few grails to show off on social media, so they gravitate towards the same few cards everybody knows are $$$$...52T Mays/Robinson/Mantle, 54T Aaron, 55T Clemente, 49B Satchel, and a few others. I think over the long term this trend will continue and the gap will grow. Young collectors aren't interested in set collecting. Now you have basketball card "breakerz" trying to get into vintage baseball and they ravage sets looking for "hitz" Mantle/Mays/Clemente and leave everything else for the birds. It's sickening, honestly. One thing which I think is interesting, 52 Topps (for example) is elevated because of #311 but the set aside from the keys (and Hi#'s) is actually affordable. It's crazy something made on the same day in the same factory with the same materials is worth literally like a million times more than others just because of whose photo it has.
I'm wondering if it swings back towards other greats as well.
Of course it matters whose picture is on the cards...it's the entire purpose of collecting.
@@MidLifeCards I think it will for rookies, but again, returns for those will be much smaller fraction compared to that of a Mays or Mantle rookie.
Graig, there are a lot of ‘casual’ collectors in this hobby, much more than we think. The casual sporte fan isn’t as knowledgeable as us so that’s why they gravitate to the Goats.
I saw a CZcams video of a young vintage collector. He pronounced Koufax (Koofax). It was embarrassing to watch. Do you know what most of his vintage cards were? Mickey Mantle. He’s collecting Mantle because he’s one of the most popular players in the hobby. It’s the bandwagon effect. Why do you think non-hockey fans are ripping Upper Deck packs? They want that Connor Bedard rookie, even though they never saw him play.
The hobby is a ‘follower’ hobby and that’s what people gravitate too. Mantle, Jordan, Gretzky, Brady cards will always appeal the masses. Auto cards started catching on, collectors jumped on the bandwagon. PSA 10 or bust started catching on for ultra modern, collectors jumped on the bandwagon. Centering became super important, collectors jumped on the bandwagon.
It’s an odd hobby that so many people collect what they feel others approve of. Star players are exhibit A.
Chris, from a not-CZcamsr to another- You always make some good points. That last sentences really hit me. I hold no ill-will towards people with bigger budgets much greater than my own. If they have the means to spend 10 thousand on a card. More power to them. However, I do think there is some influence. Influence by others to buy cards because they feel those cards, are ones they are suppose to have. This could tie into the financial component. Not all of us have the budget, but what we can do is work on controlling our emotions and also logic. For some perspective, whether it's a Mickey Mantle or a Harmon Killebrew; not saying Killebrew, was better player. But still a hall of famer. I would love for more collectors on CZcams to come out of the woods and say yeah...Mantle is great. But I'm more of a Brooks Robinson guy. Or an Al Kaline guy. Yaz. Whoever. It's kind of disappointing. But yeah. I get it.
Fair points. But...isn't Whitey Ford and Yogi Berra and Willie Mays a well known player?
@@MidLifeCardsi talk to my nephews and their friends as they range from High school to College age. They are all big sports fans.
It scares me how much they know nor don’t care about the history of sports. In fact, they sort of think the vintage era of sports are inferior because players were smaller and it wasn’t as integrated.
They don’t look at Wilt Chamberlain the way we did as they feel the NBA was not legit until Bird/Magic.
They feel the same way towards Jim Brown as anything before the Superbowl era is almost a different NFL.
Even Baseball they feel was inferior back then. They have grown up where most pitchers throw 99 so they feel many of those hitters wouldn’t put up the same numbers as today. And when you mention integration, they even have a bias towards Babe Ruth.
So to answer your question, they don’t know who Whitey Ford is. They know of Yogi Berra because of his name but they don’t know he was the best catcher of his era. They do know Mays, Aaron, Mantle.
Kids under 35 REALLY worry me because they just don’t have an appreciation for these sports 50, 100 years ago. If I said to them .406, 56, 511, 2130, they would have no idea what baseball milestones they were.
I try my best to educate them. CZcams is a good tool to show how great Jordan was, or Gretzky, or Montana. But there is very little footage of vintage players and that hurts them appealing to new generations.
Great video Graig! So you got a Monte Irvin with MontY spelled with a 'Y' and his auto has a 'Y'. Then a Monte Irvin with Monte spelled with an 'E' but same auto with a 'Y'. Then finally a Monte Irvin spelled with an 'E' and the auto is spelled with an 'E' as well! We got there!! Reminds me of the Richie, Rich, Dick Allen situation. lol -Ken (KennyCardSpotter)
Good point and good question....Interesting.
That Koufax rookie card which is a grail card of mine also, was actually a bargain at 12,000$ the comps of A PSA 8 are for 21,000$!
I agree it was a bargain. It was gorgeous.
I’ve always liked to collect lesser hall of famers. Especially players that were stars before and after the war like Doerr, Mize, Slaughter, etc.
Great deals on those guys.
I get why people would buy the lesser HOF players. They're definitely much more affordable. However, I always focus on the biggest HOF stars. The way I see it is: It's my hard-earned money at stake that I'm spending, so I want to make sure I'm buying the best that money can buy. I have no room for anything less than the best. It just so turns out that I enjoy both collecting and value investing into legends of the sport. It's treated me well so far.
Great video. Talk about being underrated, What about Johnny Bench? His 1968 Topps Rookie Card for a nice PSA 6 is around $300, while Pete Rose 1963 Rookie in a PSA 6 is around $3000. Bench considered one of the greatest catchers of all-time and Rose is banned from baseball, but is worth 10X more. What? I don't get it. Why is Bench getting no love?
Catchers never get the love they deserve.
You were doing so well for a minute quoting the actual prices buy it now listings sold for then the '51 Bowman PSA 7 Mantle you say sold for $100k when it actually sold for $65k. Why, why, why every time?
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
Ya, these prices are crazy good. Especially when considering the cost of grading. PS - whenever I see the early Whitey Ford cards such as the ‘51 Bowman, all I can see is Ralph Malph lol
When the cost of grading is half the cost of the card, my head explodes.
11:40 that Eddie Mathews that you love make me think of the clown from IT… creeps me out😂
Interesting.
Another awesome video, Graig. There are so many undervalued pitchers! For some reason, the hobby doesn't like them.Other than the prewar pitching icons like Walter Johnson, Cy Young, and others, pitchers are super cheap. With postwar pitchers, the only ones that I can think of that are consistently valueable are Feller, Koufax, and Nolan Ryan, with a few exceptions for rookie cards like Whitey Ford and Seaver. It is insane! I don't understand it. Combo cards are amazingly cheap, too.
Thanks Billy. Totally agree on combo cards.
That 52 Topps Monte Irvin under 50 is crazy.
I totally agree.
It seems like most collectors that like these cards buy them in high grade, since they aren’t gonna break the bank. Which definitely leaves the door open for anyone to collect them on a budget! The question is- as time goes on- do the stars like- Snyder, Irwin, Reese and so on- fade from ppls memory. And the big stars are the only players left standing. Great video Graig! 😊
Most likely.
It makes me sad that so many people only focus on the biggest names.
@@MidLifeCards Yeah, to be fair being someone that collects a big name. I also collect Groat- a non HOF player, so I get a pass, lol
@@MidLifeCards I'm afraid that's how it'll always be. People know the guys who stood out the most, and most collectors are always going to want their rookies. Most collectors gravitate to what's valuable. I think value dictates alot of what people buy.
Duke Snider is Casper's favorite baseball player, so that's good enough for me. :]
My opinion for what it's worth, these cards are priced to sell, so the average collector can afford them. Rather then out pricing what the average collector can afford, and let them sit unsold.
But they're auctions, not buy it now cards.
The ‘58 & ‘59 Mays prices are just because they’re the All-Stars (less desirable).
I get that, but why are they THAT much less desireable?
@@MidLifeCards base cards have always been more desirable than subsets. Not exactly sure why. Possibly because subsets feel derivative of the main card in the set.
Whitey Ford is partly undervalued because of the way Casey Stengel used him. Casey would often hold him out to pitch against the ace from the other team. This lowered his win totals and since he was always pitching against the other teams ace wins were hard to come by. When Casey was fired the next year Whitey won 25 games.
My Dad was also a Yankees fan around the time. He did say not having Whitey Ford available for game 7 cost them a World Series.
Good comment and well said.
Whitey Ford has the "pitcher" problem in the hobby. For some reason the rings dont seem to be quite as important as the sexy stats like homers. Those inner circle hall of famers will always get the most love in the hobby, granted guys like mays and mantle kept butts in seats more than a minuso or rizzuto. The "lesser" hall of famers tend to be appreciated more by those that are, or become more seriously interested in the history of the game as opposed to investing. I'm not going to complain, it just means more opportunity to pick up cards of those great lesser knowns.
I think that as collectors mature, so do our tastes.. I know that as I have grown in the hobby my interests have changed in that I kind of like to have the well known cards in my collection but now I also love some of the more obscure players and issues that not everyone has.
A very good and fair point.
Good point....but what about Cy Young, Walter Johnson, and Nolan Ryan? They're pitchers but carry value.
Gave a video like - Enjoyed as always
Awesome. Thanks so much.
Yes, star cards are over pursued and therefore over priced. Personally i love my mickey lolich cards every bit as much as my harmon killebrew cards. I dont expect people to value cards the way i do. Its a hobby that is highly personalized in what you enjoy. And isnt that part of the beauty?
Yes. Exactly, that is part of the beauty, for sure.
Great cards
You're GREAT!
Where did you find that Wheaties Otto Graham, that price is insanely low
Recent ebay sale. Crazy.
The mid and lower level all great players will contine to decline thru time… they are forgotten players thru time.. the 5 or so top players thru the decades are a great collection addition..
Yeah a player's popularity is one of the factors. Sometimes that exceeds their overall ranking. Mickey Mantle WAR 110. But Frank Robinson has 107.
@@ACD1994 exactly..
Quite possibly.
Theyll eventually increase in value, but theyll always be undervalued compared to players like Mays and Mantle. Once again, a ton of this stuff is in existence, and in order for a player to become a decent commodity, they must be popular. Any and all cards of Mantle, Mays, and Aaron (with an exception of rookie cards), only arent valuable, because of supply. Supply and demand plays a much major factor outside of rookie cards. That's why people put so much emphasis on higher grades, because it's the only thing they can call rare.
I totally agree that they'll never get to the Mantle and Mays realm. They're just SO far behind at the moment, that it seems crazy.,
@@MidLifeCards They're getting lost to time. Eventually, prices will pick up, but I personally would only do rookies.
@@vintagecollector5340 Getting compliments from my mom is rare, but I enjoy reading your comments. You make some good points. Even if we have much different view points. I'm more of a collector though. Maybe will focud on prices, well, down the road. If I were to sell now, it means something really unforeseen happen.. where I have to sell.
@@ACD1994 Thanks. Glad you enjoy the comments. There's no right or wrong way to do this hobby. If you're in the hobby, then you're a collector. That's just my beliefs. You have to be into sports to some capacity, or at least enjoy its history to be involved. That's regardless of how you identify yourself in the hobby. We all have different viewpoints, but that's what makes this fun and interesting. If we all thought alike and collected alike, it would get boring.
@@ACD1994 I think everyone has to have some sort of interest in the sport to be involved in the hobby. Although, it's really nobody's business, except theirs. I personally both collect and invest, and I find interest in the history of those players. Those players include the likes of Aaron, Mantle, Mays, etc. All the renowned big boys of the game. Although very controversial, I'm also a big fan of Bonds. I think his stuff will follow suit to Mays.
almost all the cards u mention I’ve never heard of… they will continue to decline as they get older… they top 5 players as u mention are the cards the will retain there value that people will want. they have name recognition.. a key to cards value long term..
Certainly possible.
Let's be real here. Football is America's true past time. Sammy Baugh, Crazy Legs Hirsch, Jim Brown, Unitas, Starr, Namath, Sayers, Butkus, Bradshaw, Payton get em now while they are a bargain.
That's a matter of opinion, but I do respect yours.
I agree that vintage football cards are a steal.