How to Build Your Double Stroke Roll (FROM SCRATCH)
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- How to build up your double stroke roll from nothing? This video is for Drummers who have never tried to play a double stroke roll before. Or, at least, have never learnt the proper technique. In this lesson, I'll take you from the very, very beginning to teaching you the techniques required to have one of the fastest double stroke rolls on the planet! Haha, that will be on you and your practice but I promise, it is this technique, just done a million times, that will give you the ability to play a double stroke roll at 200 BPM and faster.
The Double Stroke Roll is an essential rudiment for any drummer. Work through the steps in this video and you will MASTER THE PUSH PULL! Put in serious practice over a sustained period of time and the fruits will be yours'. Good luck and let me know if you have any questions!
Loads of DRUM LOVE!
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Equipment:
Highwood Drums (New World Maple Series - Discontinued)
Ludwig Acrolite Snare (1976) 14x5
Meinl Sand Hats 14"
Meinl Smack Stack 10", 12", 14"
Meinl Extra Dry Thin Crash 18"
Meinl Vintage Pure Ride 22"
Meinl Sand Crash Ride 22" (Rivets Removed)
Mics:
Aston Spirit x2 - Overheads
Beyerdynamic M201 - Snare
Audix D2 - Rack
Audix D4 - Floor
Shure Beta 52A - Kick
Shure SM57 - Front Kick
Shure SM7B - Vox
Interface:
Focusrite 18i20
DAW:
Presonus Studio One
Video Software:
DaVinci Resolve
Please visit www.ferggriffindrums.com for lessons, and I would be delighted to teach you :) You can also check out more here: linktr.ee/FergGriffinDrums
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Excellent video, really clear explanation
Thanks man, hope it’s helpful 🤘🥁👊
In 20 years of drumming, I practiced all kinds of rolls 15 minutes a day. And just when I thought I got them right, somebody else taught me better 😅
Haha this is a feeling I feel all too often too, my friend 🙏 Glad it helped and see you in the next one 👊
I was never taught a proper double stroke. At 42 years I decided to pick up the drums again after many years away. It took me 3 years to become competent with push/pull but now I don't understand how I ever got as far as I did without it. I practice with a metronome and pad every day.
CZcams and content such as this has been incredibly helpful, god bless all the teachers out there doing good work like this
Super glad to hear you found this useful @stevebravo1422!
I just bought a second hand electric drum set to fulfill a childhood dream. I absolutely love your delivery and explanation. I watched your video yesterday and practiced real good. Later that night I was goofing around and found myself doing a drumroll with doubles on accident! My brain was applying the technique subconsciously. I even had my son record it in slow motion to confirm! 😅 What's funny is I struggle doing it at a medium tempo. When I can rely on the FEEL, it's easy. But when my brain focuses on mathematical precision, I mess up. I'm working on bridging the gap. But YOUR VIDEO got me here! I've only been practicing for 2 days 🤯
Absolutely incredible! Very well done and I’m delighted that you got some value from this and even more, that it’s working already! Wonderful stuff, keep up the practice, and keep me in the loop on how it all goes. All the very best! 🫡
Most Excellent Presentation ✝️👍🤙✌️
Thank you Damian and thank you for commenting! 💙
So many online drum instructors have their personal way of showing the how to obtain a certain technique, however, you break it down in a way that clear, straight forward and with purpose. Hat tip to you Sir. Thank you. Subscribed.
Thanks so much man and glad this helped 👊
This is the best double stroke video I've watched so far
So glad to hear this man and thank you for your comment 💙
There’s a plenty of great drummers across the globe. It’s possible that each and everyone of them just keep improving their skill the more the play and the more they listen to each other . All of these guys can offer exercises to help us. Your assistance and knowledge is truly appreciated . Great lesson 🙏
Thank you very much 🙏 Appreciate that a lot 💙
im 3 days into my drumming journey, i was swimming through the course on drumeo when i suddenly hit my first real snag with double rolls. I'm so glad i found this video, I'm now able to do it at the tempo of the last exercise and i'm guessing I'll need to sleep on this a bit. but I'll be taking my practice pad with me through the house for every spare second of practice i can get. hopefully I'll master this double stroke soon, but I'm having a lot of fun practicing it in the meantime. amazing video, thank you so much!
Dude! Such a great comment; thank you and I’m so happy to hear! And yes, I know the sleep thing sounds a bit crazy but weirdly, it’s the breaks where all the progress happens (as long as you’ve put in the time!). I’m working on singles between my hands and feet at the moment and after a little break (1 week), I’ve come back to it with massive improvement! So, I’m so with you and you’ve got exactly the right idea. Keep at it my friend!
I actually do something very similar with my students. I used to think the pull stroke was unnecessary but I’ve come to believe it’s helpful to practice “forcing it” because it’ll be easier to “get out of the way” of the bounce in a real life scenario, particularly with the jazz ride cymbal where you need all that bounce energy to play fast effortlessly. The one detail I might add when it comes to the pull stroke is there’s benefit to practicing it very slowly, and getting the feeling of “forcing it” by retracting your thumb and extending your index finger while keeping the back fingers on the stick. Just my humble opinion. But great stuff.
Hey Nate, great to hear from you man and thank you very much for your comment. I have watched your videos for years 🙏 Totally agree. This video by no means is a comprehensive guide to all the various things one can do to build up their doubles, and I have omitted a lot of details. The point of this is just to get the basics of the push-pull down. Absolutely agree that at faster tempos bounce is needed, and on low rebound surfaces wrist action will be needed. Actually, developing the wrist for clean slow doubles is important too. That technique you describe sounds very interesting and I think I know what you mean, but it's difficult to be 100% from just reading text. I'd love to hear more. Thanks so much for taking the time to leave a comment and I loved your (relatively) recent Meinl videos. All the best man 🫡
Best instruction I have seen on doubles, amazing good teacher! I really like the way you show all angles and slow things and explain things clearly. Thank you very much 🙏
Thank you so much! Really appreciate your kind words and super glad this was helpful to you. All the best! 🫡
I've been playing the drums on and off for thirty years (self taught). I started on piano and brass when I was very young, so was musically literate when I started on drums.
This is probably the most helpful video I've ever seen!
Wish youtube was a thing when I was 13!
Dude(!), am so happy to hear that! Thanks so much and am super glad you found it helpful. All the very best 🫡
Boy this was enlighting. Just what i was looking for.. Fantastic job
Thank you Paul and I’m super happy it’s helping you 🫡
Was trying to find a video for my student about doubles. This is the most accurate and technically right video so far. Thank you man!
Dude! Very glad to hear this and thank you very much!
Thank you for slowing the movements down it really helps, not many videos would walk us through like your video does 👌❤️
Thanks man, am glad it was helpful to you and no problem. It’s what I would have wanted when I was learning it! All the best 🫡
There are so many videos on this topic, but this is one of the best. Clearly described, perfectly executed, who could ask for more. Well, one more perhaps: A demonstration of 16th at 200 BPM would have been nice as a motivation for the younger drummers. I will definetly recommend this stuff to my students. Well done, Sir! And greetings from Germany.
Wow, thanks so much man. Appreciate that a lot 💙 And all of the beginning rolls in the intro of the video are 16th Notes at 200 BPM 🫡
This is excellent. Can you please make a video on single stroke roll speed tips?
Thanks man. And for sure, I'm definitely making a course on Singles on the site when that's released, and I will make sure one of those is free for everyone too. So, I will 100% put one of those on CZcams at some point. Stay tuned :)
Impressed, I'm french in the middle of Bretagne trying to improve my double stroke (playing in a batucada's band), really nice video for beginners, weldone the fulcrum with the second finger for the push, it was exactly what I wanted to be confirm, thanks again, very clear and precise, even for my poor english👍👍👍
Very glad to hear the video was helpful man 🙏 Thanks for taking the time to comment and hope all is well 🫡
THANK YOU YOUNG MAN REDEVELOPING MY DISIPLINE
Thank you, Sir, and no problem at all! 🫡
Great!
Thank you 🫡
THANKS !!!!!
Haha, no worries man! 🫡
Excellent!!!
Thank you and glad it was helpful 💙
Have you heard of this technique before? 🤔🥁👊
Excellent lesson!!
Thanks man! Glad you found it useful 🤘🥁👊
Excellent, thank you...🥁
Thank you!
Best tutorial I've found so far. Thank you so much!
No worries and super glad to hear you liked it 🙏 All the best 👊
Great video, very useful, Thanks
Glad to hear it and thanks for commenting man 💙
Bloody fabulous. Best doubles tutorial ever x
Thanks so much and I’m so glad it was of value 💙
Valuable!
Thank you 💙
Thanks a lot man, great instructor
Thanks dude, appreciate that a lot and glad you dig 🙏💙🙏
Super great info the best.
Glad to hear that man and thank you 👊🥁🫡
Thanks for making such an informative and useful instructional video! Well done.
Glad it was useful brother and thank you very much 🫡
Dude you’re awesome, I love you thanks by the way
Thanks so much man and glad this was helpful 💙🙏💙
Great video!!
Thank you Stephen 💙
Excellent video! Thanks so much for your clear explanation! Congratulations from Brazil!
Wow, Brazil! Super cool. Thank you and glad this was helpful 🙏💙🙏
Very great video, just started drumming around a month ago and have seen lots of development because of this video, thanks! 😁
So glad to hear that, man. And, WELCOME TO THE DRUMMING COMMUNITY 🤘🥁👊 (the best instrument 😝)
Oh man thank you so much, I was in the middle of the process to learn doubles and was stuck, this video explains why. Now Im going back to learn it from the scratch
SO happy to hear this man! Here’s to all the progress you’re about to unfold! 🫡
New subscriber. Great lesson. I really like your teaching style!
Thanks so much and I’m so glad 💙 Welcome to the community! 🙏🥁👊
good video thanks
No problem and thank you for watching!
Just getting around to finally taking my drumming more seriously and incorporating certain rudiments etc and this has been a massive help, the best I’ve seen on here! Subscribed, keep up the good work
Thanks so much, man, and super glad to hear. Glad it helped 👊
I'm crying right now, 'cause this is the first time, I was able to do this. Thank you so much! This video was brilliant. ❤❤❤
Ahh I’m so happy for you! It’s one of the best feelings ever when you put a bit of work in and it totally pays off 💙 Here’s to you shredding double strokes around the kit and all the best 🫡
Another great vid! I suppose I’d describe myself as advanced-intermediate so my doubles are pretty decent now, but it took ages to get them near where I wanted and I know they can still improve. So great to take it back to first principles again and brush up, and love the philosophy about drumming being all about time (in every sense)! Your content is great man and I hope to see your subscriber count shoot up - you deserve it! 🥁🎥🙏
Thanks so much man, really appreciate it 🙏💙🙏 And I’m glad to hear that someone of your level still got something out of this. It’s always good to go back to the basics, and I swear there’s a quote somewhere too about the very best players having just completely mastered the basics. Really appreciate your comments man and thank you - I hope all is well! 🤘🥁👊
Love it! Break it down to an atom level. More tutorials please
Thanks man and super glad you liked it. Will do. Let me know if there's anything specific you'd like me to cover too :)
you are incredible. i havent mastered it but i can tell it will work. after years of failing, wish me luck
Thank you man 🙏 100% it will work; time, effort, and consistency is the only other thing needed 🫡 All the best!
Super tutorial
Thanks man. Super glad it was helpful 💙
Great video on the doubles technique. Could you do a video on reaching the higher tempos from around 160 to 200 bpm with 16th. Cheers
Thank you man, appreciate it. And for sure, I’ll have a look at my schedule and see if I can fit that in. There’s quite a few little exercises that can make it a bit easier to get to those faster tempos.
With this video, i've now understood how to make the hand motion works. Now i can feel some tension in my front arms muscles.
Thank you.
I can’t work out if you mean this is a bad thing? There shouldn’t be tension in your arm muscles.. Make sure to have a relaxed grip and if the stick is bouncing around the fulcrum in your grip, only little force should go into your arms!
@@ferggriffindrums It's a good thing, no worries ! 🙂
Maybe tension was not the right word...Let's say that i can feel now the motion working fine with the right muscle 👍
I'm very happy to hear that man, great news and thank you for clarifying!@@Phil671
It's a great video, I would like to see where you condense the motion (stop the stick before 12o clock)
I do a lot more in-depth exercises in private lessons, of course, and when I come to make my video courses on doubles and hand technique etc. on my website, you will find a lot more things like that. Glad you found this useful, tho.
It's ok when done slowly but very difficult when you start to speed up. It will probably take me forever
It won’t take you forever, my friend 💙 As I say in the video, often the breaks (and sleeping, lol) is where the progress happens. Put in the time, have a rest, and when you come back to it (providing you’ve truly put in the time), you’ll have made good progress. Like anything, small steps is where the magic is and enjoying the journey (and small wins!) is what will keep you going.
Great breakdown, thanks! Could you explain a bit more how this can be achieved without rebound (you mention being able to use this technique on a pillow)? It seems like the stick rebounding back up is crucial to be able to go from the throw motion to the catch motion.
Sure man and great question. Essentially, this video is about teaching you the motions involved. In order to get fully comfortable with the motions, it can be useful to massively over exaggerate the movements (stick bouncing back up to 12 etc.). This will in turn help you understand what’s happening with the stick, and therefore, how to control it. At faster speeds and on surfaces with no rebound, the motion will be a lot smaller. On a pillow, the stick movement will be a drop catch around the pivot point or fulcrum you are using with your grip, rather than from the rebound. There is also force from the downward motion at play which will help you develop momentum for the second stroke. Having spent time exaggerating the movements, your fingers will essentially know how to pull out the second stroke, even without the assistance from the first stroke. I can play clean doubles on my thigh for instance and used to do long periods of time where all RRs would be on my thigh, and then after a few bars alternate so all LLs were on my thigh. After playing on a drum for long periods of time (and getting comfortable with the assistance of the rebound), try playing the doubles on your thigh, then the pillow. Pillow will be last to try once you’ve really nailed the technique.
Additionally, on a pillow you will be using some wrists and arms to help you, but the fingers will be doing the same thing as in this video. Hope that helps!
When I launch my website I’ll show you on camera. It’s easier to see than describe!
Thanks for the detailed response! That progression makes a lot of sense. I’m just getting back into drumming after a long hiatus, but I remember as a teenager being able to play reasonably clean doubles like this on my snare but as soon as I went to a floor tom (let alone a pizza 😅) they got very sloppy and labored. I think at the time I just kinda picked up the technique by feel and didn’t follow a progression like you’re explaining. Going to start slow and progress gradually this time!
Haha the pizza thing is a Jojo Mayer reference/joke 😅 For sure man, doing it properly is exactly what will mean when you come to do it on the Floor Tom it works a treat! Glad it helped and all the best on your drumming re-journey! 🫡
Thank you so much for this great lesson. May i ask you how many minutes a day should I practice to improve this technique?
It’s a tough question to answer. Essentially, the more you practice it, the quicker it will get better. The other thing on this is: if you practice for an hour a day, you’ll sound like you practice for an hour a day, if you practice for 4 hours a day, you’ll sound like you practice for 4 hours a day. Practice as much as you can whilst you’re motivated, and sometimes a bit of discipline helps for when you’re not motivated. All the best 🫡
i dont really understand the movement from the snapback to the fullstroke? after the snapback should i move my arm or is it only wrist ?
That’s up to you a bit 💙 When you play the full stroke (after the SnapBack), there will be a bit generated from the arm, naturally. As you increase the tempo more of the movement will come from the wrist, but there will still be a bit of arm when you get to the fast tempo. Don’t worry too much on the intricacies. As you keep doing it, it will feel more natural and the body will figure out what to do. Putting in the reps is what’s important 🫡
I never got the double stroke roll to the level I wanted after years of practice. It's really hard.
Sorry to hear that Terry. Just like anything, it requires a lot of time, practice, consistency, and a serious extra dosage of patience. Follow the steps in the video and you will get there. Good luck 🫡
Is narrowing the gap from 90 degrees compromising technique? And how do you use the rebound ro bring it to 12 o'clock? Do you use your wrist?
The stick should bounce up, if your grip is correct, so there’s no need to use your wrist to get it back to 12 o’clock. If you use a little bit of wrist do that, that’s probably okay as long as you can still snap back with the fingers. Is hard to say without seeing you do it. And I’m not sure exactly what you mean on narrowing the gap. As you play it faster, the movement will get very small (the stick will come nowhere near 12 before you have snapped it back), so I think, no that is not compromising the technique. It’s just good to over exaggerate the technique at the beginning so your brain learns the motor function. Hope this helps 😂
@@ferggriffindrums Thanks for the help man. Do you have a video on proper grip. I'm pretty sure I have it right but maybe you have a video that describes grip or you know a video that does.
@@Daniel_1776I don’t man but I’m sure there’ll be plenty on CZcams!
@@ferggriffindrums Thanks a ton for being so helpful!
No worries brother, good luck with it all 🫡
Hi,,
I like your video and your step-to-step-approach, that motivates me to join in. However, I saw the following problem with my double stroke when I recorded myself with my cell phone: with my weak left hand, the first stroke is as it should be. After the second hit, however, the stick always moves to the right towards the middle. This not only looks strange, but also sounds strange. Do you have any idea what this could be and how I can get rid of it? Many greetings from Germany
Dennis
Hey Dennis, thanks for getting in touch. At this point, I wouldn’t worry about that. As long as the stick is coming down and creating the second hit, it doesn’t matter if it’s not at a completely perfect angle. Some of the best drummers in the world have sticks that go off in weird angles when they’re playing fast, intricate patterns. If it sounds good and it’s not impeding you achieving your goals, don’t worry about it 😜 Having said that, I know this sounds strange but willing the stick to hit the centre of the drum, really focusing and having that as a conscious priority in your mind, is what will help you overcome this. All the best!
Thank you for the detailed answer. I'll stay tuned (and watch your vids 🙂)
No worries man. In the final stage of editing the next one 🤘🥁👊
Ive been olaying since 02 and never did,used,or was shown or understood the double.
I hope this helped!
How to improve your double stroke...double stroke until you are blue in the face. Which will never happen so do them some more.😂
Doing them a lot with certainly help!
Good video but the zooming in and out is very annoying and takes away from the professional polish.
That’s a taste thing man. I’m sorry but I won’t be able to cater to everyone’s tastes. If I did, I wouldn’t be able to do anything, as there will always be something someone doesn’t like. There will be parts of my content that you don’t like, but hopefully there will be things in there which help you learn something too. All the best! 🫡
It’s amazing what kind of bullshit people put on CZcams. This is not the way to get double stoke rolls you might get really stiff arms though.
Obviously it's not your cup of tea, there are other ways to build a double stoke roll, as for the stiff arms, that's nonsense, I've been doing doubles this way for 25 years, if done properly in the way this chap says, then stiff arms won't happen.
Thanks Liam man, appreciate your support 🙏
It's A way to do doubles. Obviously there are more options. I personally like to use the rebound of my practice pad for speed, it just feels more effortless.
O double stroke master, show us how it should need done. Oh wait, you’re on a burner account with zero videos to back your BS up. It’s amazing how “brave” someone is when they hide behind burner account.
There's no special technique. Use a pillow and it will come naturally.
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