Can we blow off these PEX fittings? Sharkbite vs Viega vs Uponor

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  • čas přidán 24. 12. 2018
  • Merry Christmas Build Show Friends! I was wondering the other day how much pressure a PEX fitting might withstand before it pops off, so I had Jordan make me a test rig! In this video we are testing Sharkbite Push To Connect fittings, Viega fittings, Uponor fittings, and two types of crimped Sharkbite PEX fittings with a rig that goes up to 14,000 psi! The results sure surprised us. Enjoy this special Christmas edition of The Build Show!
    -Matt Risinger
    Risinger & Co in Austin, TX
    www.Risinger.co
    www.MattRisinger.com
    Instagram @RisingerBuild

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  • @johannesduplessis7848
    @johannesduplessis7848 Před 4 lety +43

    Would have been a great comparison if we knew the failure pressures were. I should have known it wouldn't be very good when they couldn't get the threaded connections to not leak.

  • @kalebdouglas159
    @kalebdouglas159 Před 5 lety +266

    Project farm where you at?

    • @adamdimaggio2237
      @adamdimaggio2237 Před 3 lety +33

      #ProjectFarm

    • @wadesmith9483
      @wadesmith9483 Před 3 lety +7

      Exactly!!!!!!!! He’d show these felching nerdy chode monkeys what’s really going on.
      Hey build boys, catcha shark bite to an eye!

    • @Milio510
      @Milio510 Před rokem +9

      We def need #projectFarm to do this testing

    • @Wolfpak765
      @Wolfpak765 Před 3 měsíci +3

      Agreed. This video shows no psi or freeze failures. It’s freaking useless

  • @blkmacster
    @blkmacster Před 4 lety +13

    Thanks for the effort, and spending your time money to do this for us.

  • @Nepomuc
    @Nepomuc Před 3 lety +144

    without any pressure result, this is hardly a test.

    • @twiztedclown
      @twiztedclown Před 2 lety +5

      Regular house is not meant to be anymore than 150 psi so this entire test becomes useless for anything other than looking for impractical results. You wouldn't use pex for high pressure lines

    • @lifeisgood070
      @lifeisgood070 Před 2 lety

      @@twiztedclown it’s not useless, water hammer or other things could create temporary high pressure zones. The numbers would be good to know.
      My house is 100psi, i have to get a pressure regulator installed, hopefully this summer. My friends is 110psi and he blew his water heater. But yes pressure varies. My parents at at elevation relative to a pumping station in PA and their pressure is 30-35psi. They had to install a $600 pump and pressure regulator to bring it back up to 70.

    • @twiztedclown
      @twiztedclown Před 2 lety +1

      @@lifeisgood070 great you still have all numbers at less than their rated legal pressure values. A line blowing can often be poor quality materials.

    • @floppydoohickey
      @floppydoohickey Před 2 lety

      Imagine a 2000 psi lazy gauge. It could have been so good.

    • @Realism91
      @Realism91 Před měsícem

      ​@@twiztedclownSome people plumb air compressor garage setups with PEX it's good info for them, wrong channel but at least this info is available.

  • @throttlebottle5906
    @throttlebottle5906 Před 5 lety +473

    the one thing you did manage to show is how to not seal threaded fittings :)

    • @MrDavidelliottjr
      @MrDavidelliottjr Před 5 lety +12

      @Jeremy Hess yes definitely. Every one of there's leaked. Lol

    • @eddieball1924
      @eddieball1924 Před 5 lety +8

      @Jeremy Hess throw the tape out and use a good grade thread

    • @eddieball1924
      @eddieball1924 Před 5 lety +4

      Sealant

    • @bobgarrish
      @bobgarrish Před 5 lety +19

      You can seal well into the ksi range with Teflon tape and NPT fittings.
      They screwed something up...my bet is either loose fittings or they screwed a non-tapered thread and a tapered thread together. It happens reasonably often with people who aren't familiar with fittings.

    • @throttlebottle5906
      @throttlebottle5906 Před 5 lety +7

      @@eddieball1924 I take it you don't do daily plumbing and deal with all the rough threaded brass and copper with uneven ridges and sharp flashing. it very often just shreds tape as you tighten and displaces sealants, unless you use a high grade thread locking type (often used on air and hydraulics). most all casting or machines parts are done at too high of "speeds" which makes for poor threads. I've been cussing about them for years and now half the time cast brass fittings are porous and will leak water in the middle of the tee or elbow. (made in indonesia, lead restrictions, etc.)
      best bet is tape applied tightly into the threads and dope overtop to help lubricate further and keep the tape from tearing or being rolled out. (no tape on hydraulics!!! it's a killer)

  • @Rob87
    @Rob87 Před 5 lety +31

    Definitely need a gauge with a 1000 psi range. Off the manifold go check valve>bleeder valve>gauge. It will lock in the pressure the test pipe fails at and then allow you to reset the gauge👍

  • @mangham2011
    @mangham2011 Před 3 lety +80

    I prefer to test each one at a time.

    • @Gundarlf
      @Gundarlf Před 3 lety +14

      Please do this test again and make the pipes the same length. And maybe one test for one at a time as well.
      Each time it fails in this test the longer pipe is failing first

    • @thomasjensen5237
      @thomasjensen5237 Před 3 lety

      U

    • @petermichael8921
      @petermichael8921 Před 2 lety

      @@Gundarlf Pascals principle, sir.

  • @lisab3396
    @lisab3396 Před 4 lety +39

    Hang on a minute...... You're trying to test burst pressure of plumbing pipe and fittings with a hydraulic pump that has start increments of around >250 PSI??? So really you don't have any idea just what pressure your test pressure is on those tubes and fittings.
    You "NEED" a 0 to 1000 PSI gauge for any accuracy and or idea of failure points!

  • @jboutdoors7019
    @jboutdoors7019 Před 5 lety +332

    Gotta test this with 120 degree fluid in the pipes, and a gauge that’s useful.

    • @TrogdorBurnin8or
      @TrogdorBurnin8or Před 5 lety +45

      I agree, thermal testing required. 50 for cold water distribution, 140 is for hot water distribution lines, and 180 for hydronic/boiler lines. Properties of plastics can change dramatically with temperature.

    • @MotecM
      @MotecM Před 5 lety +12

      I'd also like to see a lower resolution gauge used in conjunction to a hot and cold test!

    • @InfernosReaper
      @InfernosReaper Před 5 lety +11

      @Khent Shoon It's nowhere near as dangerous as you think it is, but I do agree that better safety precautions would be good

    • @jacobframe8769
      @jacobframe8769 Před 5 lety +8

      @Khent Shoon this is a test with water (incompressable fluid) which is pretty safe. If this was compressed air I would agree with you completely.

    • @timfalardeau9753
      @timfalardeau9753 Před 5 lety +2

      Comment Bump...
      120 degs and a gauge...

  • @marclancaster8781
    @marclancaster8781 Před 5 lety +9

    I enjoyed this. It's reassuring to see the crimp rings hold. We all expected the Sharkbite to fail. Not a real accurate test, but I like that they did that. I don't have the tools or means to do this myself.

  • @mrdfoster1220
    @mrdfoster1220 Před 5 lety +3

    Thanks for taking the time and showing us your experiments. Definitely gave me something better to do then watch tv. Keep experimenting and I'll keep watching.

  • @MaximGhost
    @MaximGhost Před rokem +5

    Love it! What started as a pressure test of fittings ended up being a pressure test of PEX tubing instead.

  • @mrl22222
    @mrl22222 Před 5 lety +18

    I used the push to connect in a summer cottage, which would be de-pressurized when nobody was there, After less than a year we noticed some of the fittings would leak a bit until the pipe expanded back into the o-ring. There was a definite groove in the PEX (B) for the o-ring. The hot side was worse off then the cold. I shortened the lines up and went another year, but it happened again and a couple of them took minutes to re-seat. it was only an o-ring issue, the lines never walked back, I eventually opened up the areas where all the fittings were and all of them had evidence of small leaks at start up. Went to crimp-on's and haven't had an issue since.

    • @wallacegrommet9343
      @wallacegrommet9343 Před 5 lety +3

      Push on fittings just don’t inspire long term confidence

    • @tonyhemingway7980
      @tonyhemingway7980 Před 4 lety

      @@wallacegrommet9343
      I have some, plastic, push on fittings going to a shower that have been there for, about 12 years, on cpvc 1/2in pipe and they have never leaked.

  • @Radnally
    @Radnally Před 5 lety +5

    Used crimp rings and sharkbite for the past 5 years. All are still holding well.

  • @ConnorNolanTech
    @ConnorNolanTech Před 3 lety +106

    When the pipe bursts, and you call that a loss for the fitting, which didn't fail, your test is bad.

    • @ubitdust
      @ubitdust Před 3 lety +6

      Exactly - if the pipe burst, then the fitting worked better. The other ones probably leaked.

    • @DerrickFishes
      @DerrickFishes Před 3 lety +1

      The pipes themselves are different too

    • @bradhazzard3428
      @bradhazzard3428 Před 3 lety

      Testing as they did each pipe held the pressure. Continuing with the same materials after a failure, it weakens the next results.

    • @mikeharris8365
      @mikeharris8365 Před 9 měsíci

      I don't think they had that first shark bite fitting installed properly, so this video is a waste of our time

  • @dr.redphdleasurestudies.5399

    Question: if the shark bite slip fitting is inside the house, say on the water heater will it fail before a freezing pipe bursts in the same system?
    Can we use slip ins as a fail safe to protect the plumbing system as a whole?

  • @yt650
    @yt650 Před 5 lety +44

    A thought would be for the future, put a hydraulic ball valve between your manifold and your test hose or fitting. When it fails simply shut the ball valve off and continue with your test

    • @fredfrond6148
      @fredfrond6148 Před 5 lety +4

      YT what’s a hydraulic ball valve. I thought a ball valve was just a ball valve. But a ball valve with a high pressure rating is a great idea.

    • @Panhead49EL
      @Panhead49EL Před 5 lety +2

      Wouldn't help here because the pressure drops to "zero" when a pipe bursts. There is no pressure left to save.

    • @fredfrond6148
      @fredfrond6148 Před 5 lety +7

      Panhead49EL but you would not have to undo the fitting. You would just have to shut the valve. You would need a higher rig because of the ball valve handle taking up space.

    • @yt650
      @yt650 Před 5 lety +13

      Panhead49EL . The idea is not to save pressure but to eliminate the work of removing the fitting/failed tube. No need to plug the space.

    • @yt650
      @yt650 Před 5 lety +7

      Fred Frond . I sell hydraulic ball valves, steel of course with bust pressures to 20,000 psi. easily working at 5,000 psi, something they will never achieve. I doubt anything they test will not exceed a few thousand psi including copper tube.

  • @nickkropat8857
    @nickkropat8857 Před 5 lety +18

    I would be much more interested to see how this test does with shock-pressure versus static pressure. As you said, a house water system will never get near to the psi you were bursting pipes with, but a sudden pressure spike can knock things loose, like hitting a rusty bolt to free it. Recently, several neighbors and myself had cpvc fittings in our homes fail because of a pressure spiked caused by nearby water main construction. I doubt the total pressure was over 120psi for more than a second but it was enough to cause a lot of damage.

  • @disillusioned070
    @disillusioned070 Před 4 lety +28

    Standing inside garage: Lets do a video on pressure testing water connections!!
    First connection blows: Um?? Maybe we should do this outside...

    • @sssmithforever4
      @sssmithforever4 Před 3 lety +3

      I should also stabilize the pipe with my ungloved hand. What could go wrong?

    • @Mezuzah87
      @Mezuzah87 Před 3 lety +1

      Morons...

  • @alberthoogendoorn2396
    @alberthoogendoorn2396 Před 3 lety

    I tested my system at 120 Psi before placing the concrete in the floor.i left it for 4 days and the pressure stays pretty well on 120 pros depending at the sunshine on those different days.never lost any pressure.so thumbs up for pet and the crimp fittings.

  • @StoneysWorkshop
    @StoneysWorkshop Před 5 lety +4

    I use sharkbite push to connect on copper.
    No issues- they are on equipement installations in a visible area.
    4 years in no issues

  • @okieburd
    @okieburd Před 5 lety +264

    Could be interesting but completely worthless without a pressure gauge to know at what point these fail.

    • @dainiusbagdonas4347
      @dainiusbagdonas4347 Před 5 lety +1

      Ghuuuyyyyyhhhhuuuųųū

    • @bradley3549
      @bradley3549 Před 5 lety +6

      A ton of room for improvement but I wouldn't say it's worthless. It's okay as a comparative analysis.

    • @Mattstafford2009
      @Mattstafford2009 Před 4 lety

      (see the next video)

    • @mikeparker5008
      @mikeparker5008 Před 4 lety +14

      They ALL went WAY up above any water supply system pressure before failure.....so.....does it matter at all?

    • @jimh712
      @jimh712 Před 4 lety +5

      Not really
      We know the press on sharkbite fitting failed
      The rest of the pipes failed way past the working pressure. But the fittings held....
      So in the real world of plumbing.
      This test shows the press on sharkbite is less desirable..

  • @troyb.4101
    @troyb.4101 Před 4 lety +5

    Totally impressed with all the last four types of fittings! 500 psi! Is awesome. I'm thinking the one that failed second is the way to go in cold weather as it wouls expand when the water was frozen!

  • @casemcdonald2152
    @casemcdonald2152 Před rokem +5

    Even though this was kinda useless from a real world application, I learned a lot about the real world performance of the different PEX, and the fittings. I was worried about the crimps, and the benefits of the PEX types, but I now know that all fittings are adequate, and the PEX itself will hold up better than necessary.
    Great testing.

  • @audislowroad
    @audislowroad Před 5 lety +10

    Two recommendations for next test. Obviously a lower psi gauge with a high speed camera pointed at it. Secondly, I'd love to see Evopex fittings by Sharkbite also tested!

  • @ericbrown8545
    @ericbrown8545 Před 5 lety +13

    Would like to know whether or not there is difference in the pex pipe it's self... In other words the difference between plumbing supply pipe vs regular home improvement stores

    • @JordanSmithBuilds
      @JordanSmithBuilds Před 5 lety +9

      The "winner" was big box store Shark Bite brand PEX. Stay tuned for a follow up video where we show the exact PSI to failure for the different PEX pipes!

    • @dennismeyers2008
      @dennismeyers2008 Před 5 lety

      From someone who worked in the factory, PEX is all the same.

  • @123Goldhunter11
    @123Goldhunter11 Před 4 lety +6

    Good to know that all the fittings are adequate. Even sharkbite will hold over 100 psi. Private wells are rarely above 60 psi. I prefer the metal crimps.

    • @TimeSurfer206
      @TimeSurfer206 Před rokem +1

      I actually like the Uponor expansion fittings, because the fitting has the same ID (Inner Diameter) as the tube itself. Thus, no flow restrictions like the barbed connectors.

  • @kencrane6420
    @kencrane6420 Před 5 lety +11

    4 Words (Data Logging Pressure Transducer). Also elevate temperature to 120ish F.

  • @EitriBrokkr
    @EitriBrokkr Před 5 lety +26

    I'd like to see a test rig running at maybe 75psi something reasonable, at a high flow rate, slamming a valve open and close, slamming the fittings with pipehammer repeatedly

    • @wandameadows5736
      @wandameadows5736 Před rokem

      No fittings are made to be slammed with pipehammers.

    • @EitriBrokkr
      @EitriBrokkr Před rokem

      @@wandameadows5736 but it happens, all the time

    • @johnstuart3851
      @johnstuart3851 Před 7 měsíci

      True, however, there is something wrong with the design, construction or operating conditions with plumbing experiencing damaging water hammer. @@EitriBrokkr

    • @EitriBrokkr
      @EitriBrokkr Před 7 měsíci

      @@johnstuart3851 what does that have to do with anything? Most professional plumbers are inept morons. Let's not even get into some handyman or homeowners.

  • @SaintlySaavy
    @SaintlySaavy Před 5 lety +4

    That was interesting. Would there be a way to test heat resistance.

  • @HermesTresmegestus
    @HermesTresmegestus Před 4 lety +5

    Id' be really curious if Jordon could note what PSI it was when the expansion pex tubing burst

  • @DK-vx5co
    @DK-vx5co Před 5 lety +6

    Hey guys. Can you do a test with warm (hot) water and a bend, like we might do in a house (to avoid adding couplings)? I'd plan to adopt this as my standard install. Great test. Seems they all work under "normal" conditions, with their individual advantages (swelling for freeze, recover from bends, etc.) . Thanx

  • @brybino
    @brybino Před 5 lety +103

    I’d definitely love to see a test where the pressure of failure was recorded.

    • @WillAmparo
      @WillAmparo Před 5 lety +9

      And a non-leaky connection.

    • @ACommenterOnYouTube
      @ACommenterOnYouTube Před 5 lety +3

      What does it matter what pressure it fails under.. As he clearly stated, NO HOME has that much pressure so the fittings WON'T fail in your home unless they are installed WRONG ...

    • @WillAmparo
      @WillAmparo Před 5 lety +1

      You Tube would be great info to know. Maybe for another applications

    • @brybino
      @brybino Před 5 lety +1

      Hahaha I just said I would love to know. Also, he posted a video today of exactly that. 😂

    • @ACommenterOnYouTube
      @ACommenterOnYouTube Před 5 lety +2

      well i think its completely irrelevant considering that NO home has that much pressure. City water is ~35 psi and well pump homes are slightly higher but not over 60 psi ...
      So why even bother knowing its pressure point failure if the pressure will NEVER EVER get that high ...
      I'd be more concerned about the health affects of PEX usage over 30 yrs ...

  • @icolak
    @icolak Před 5 lety +3

    What is the point if we cannot measure the pressure levels?

  • @functionalvanconversion4284

    Awesome test! Good to know, I use shark bite pipe with copper rings and brass fittings as I purchased the crimpers 8 years ago. I have been kicking myself for not having an upenor expander for my van conversion, but after watching this it seems durable. I also have had some upenor done on a couple projects and its held up well.

  • @keystonecarpenter3002
    @keystonecarpenter3002 Před 3 lety +3

    Ive have pex as air lines in my cabinet shop for 12 years now, not one issue. I can cut into and modify as needed, recently I ran 3/4" to my build tables all the way to the splitter so I can run two pneumatic sanders at the same time.

    • @demarques1911
      @demarques1911 Před 2 lety +1

      I was skeptical to use Pex.. but I'm giving it a try this weekend... it is Pex A pipe tho

    • @johnh.2340
      @johnh.2340 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@demarques1911 How did the Pex A go? Did it work smoothly and was everything good to go?

  • @jongretty
    @jongretty Před 3 lety +48

    It's like seeing how fast a car will go without a speedometer lol

  • @teel6060
    @teel6060 Před 5 lety +202

    This vid needs to be 75% shorter.

    • @noily8974
      @noily8974 Před 4 lety +1

      Like. Therandom channel

    • @dj6769
      @dj6769 Před 4 lety +8

      Way tooo much theatrics I was drawn here for the scientific data and fast forwarded through the jocularity...

    • @bill4123
      @bill4123 Před 3 lety +2

      I saw this comment and immediately switched the playback speed to 2x.

    • @doxx2427
      @doxx2427 Před 3 lety +2

      @@bill4123 i saw this comment and immediately copied you

    • @marioalvarado3284
      @marioalvarado3284 Před 3 lety

      @@bill4123 I stopped 👍

  • @jameslund221
    @jameslund221 Před 3 lety +4

    Just goes to show me that the shark bite end stop is going to work fine. As long as I don’t have these guys do any of my thread fittings. lol.

  • @donaldburkhard7932
    @donaldburkhard7932 Před 4 lety

    We're any of the pieces bent beforehand? Could affect where pipe fails.

  • @jaywest4102
    @jaywest4102 Před 5 lety +20

    Would be interesting to see this test again with the pipe bent at 90* to see if that makes the pipe weaker.

  • @garyshepard6757
    @garyshepard6757 Před 5 lety +8

    Sure would like to know exactly what pressure the first one failed at. Merry Christmas!

    • @highstreetkillers4377
      @highstreetkillers4377 Před 5 lety

      No more than 30 psi, stupid test cause water pressure doesn't get that high ever in a home.

  • @shauntucker5145
    @shauntucker5145 Před 4 lety

    So with these results would you recommend any of these for air compressor piping

  • @JuanCruz-dt9rb
    @JuanCruz-dt9rb Před 2 lety

    Great video, there is nothing greater than seeing the science before deciding what your best options are!

  • @finkalo
    @finkalo Před 4 lety +31

    so all ive learned from this is that all these fittings are good an would never fail from normal water pressure lol

    • @jakeblanton6853
      @jakeblanton6853 Před 4 lety +14

      Another thing you should have learned is that you don't want these two guys to be doing your plumbing... :)

    • @terryerickson1403
      @terryerickson1403 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Icantfindanavailablehandle bullshit. Hot water does not have higher pressure in a pipe dummy. It has lower pressure as it has to typically go through two water treatment devices, a water heater and a water softener. Color of the pipe doesn't matter. That's paint. The pipes are all made to handle the same psi. The rest here is about how well each form of connection works.

  • @joeyjo-jojuniorshabadoo6827

    Thanks guys! This was very interesting and blowed up real good.

  • @timkins9155
    @timkins9155 Před 2 lety

    Wow, awesome test, guys. Thanks for doing it and uploading it. Now we feel better about Sharkbites!

  • @NNITRED
    @NNITRED Před rokem +2

    One big take away - You guys disproved the myth that stainless steel cinch clamps are weaker than copper rings or expansion. Withstanding 500 PSI without a flinch put that bs to bed for me. THANK YOU!

  • @brianharrigan8821
    @brianharrigan8821 Před 4 lety +4

    1. Household temperature and pressure is the only relevant factor!
    2. Do we need theater, or realism??
    3. All these do a fine job as designed !!
    4. Please produce some " needed" tests.
    Thanks Matt !

  • @lwready
    @lwready Před 5 lety +11

    It appeared that the pipe failed at the joint before the Sharkbite. You can see the fitting ON THE PIPE as it heads into orbit!

    • @kevinc6805
      @kevinc6805 Před 4 lety

      It was still a sharkbite fitting the pipe shot out of

  • @hondaguy5226
    @hondaguy5226 Před 5 lety

    Is the water dripping off the ends from the brass threaded fittings or the caps. I saw water dripping at both ends before the pex a burst

  • @654472
    @654472 Před 4 lety +1

    But , how much pressure did each line held before blowing.

  • @blazeice111
    @blazeice111 Před 5 lety +6

    Here's something interesting to think about: would you rather have a pipe burst somewhere randomly, or have a fitting that withstands slightly less pressure that is accessible burst?

    • @stevem1081
      @stevem1081 Před 2 lety +1

      Even though rare, if I was truly wanting to do something about it, I would get something like used on an air compressor, a pop-off valve where the pressure can be set.

    • @cynthiaayers7696
      @cynthiaayers7696 Před 2 lety

      @@stevem1081 I don't think you answered the question.
      Because the guy doesn't know how to ask a question correctly. And you couldn't figure out what he really meant. Not picking on you, just saying.
      Would you rather have the pipe burst or the fitting burst.
      I say it depends on accessibility.
      PS. Unless I'm totally misunderstanding his question myself. And if that's the case, sorry I spoke up and I've more to learn. ✌

  • @NathanDeger
    @NathanDeger Před 4 lety +13

    Never put your hands on something you're pressurizing to yield... Shaking hands with danger!

  • @j.rayredden1528
    @j.rayredden1528 Před 5 lety +1

    In residential use, all of these fitting, when correctly installed, are good. If they withstand 200 psi with 120 degree water for an hour, they will hold the 60 psi in most home systems. Indefinitely, I should think.

  • @whitechris720
    @whitechris720 Před 4 lety +1

    Could the location of the push fitting be the reason it failed first?

  • @Eye58Farms
    @Eye58Farms Před 5 lety +8

    Surprised at the Uponor! One of the reasons to use it is resistance to burst when exposed to freezing.

    • @thebigdoghimself
      @thebigdoghimself Před 5 lety +8

      That ability to expand at low pressure hurt it at high pressure. I was also very surprised to see it blow so early in the test.

    • @wallacegrommet9343
      @wallacegrommet9343 Před 5 lety +3

      This test has no real world value. Iponor pex A assembles quicker, is the most flexible, and will withstand any pressure typically found in residential service

    • @wallacegrommet9343
      @wallacegrommet9343 Před 5 lety

      Whoa, that is off the charts! My pressure reducer just failed from a scoured out threaded plug for the inlet screen. Took 22 years to happen. Of course the damn reducer was in the crawlspace so the leak went undetected for a month. Good thing I coincidentally opened up the crawl hatch in a closet floor to begin a a bathroom renovation and heard the hissing of a water leak. Yes, my water bill was sky high. What kind of [plumber puts a component like that in a place were it goes unnoticed and is very hard to access? I can’t believe this house passed plumbing inspection.

  • @duweydang
    @duweydang Před 5 lety +73

    Why no gauge on the manifold? You can swap gauges that would highlight the pressure of failures depending on the test.

    • @cryptocollector2967
      @cryptocollector2967 Před 5 lety +9

      Good call i really wanted to know the exact psi of the failures

    • @FishFind3000
      @FishFind3000 Před 5 lety +3

      Crypto Collector same. This only shows that one broke before another but not that they might be failing at just a few psi diff so the differences could be negligible.

    • @JordanSmithBuilds
      @JordanSmithBuilds Před 5 lety +8

      Stay tuned!!! More to come with exact PSI

    • @apex007
      @apex007 Před 5 lety +2

      @@JordanSmithBuilds and hopefully no leaks?

    • @BrianBriCurInTheOC
      @BrianBriCurInTheOC Před 5 lety +2

      apex
      Too much Teflon Tape will cause pipe leaks!!!

  • @johnc4876
    @johnc4876 Před 5 lety

    are you pressurizing with hydraulic oil or water? It changes the fittings friction grip.

  • @brickleyb
    @brickleyb Před 2 lety

    Love this video, fun and educational

  • @shawnd567
    @shawnd567 Před 5 lety +61

    Also be great to compare crimped copper joints vs a solder joint.

    • @catlover1986
      @catlover1986 Před 5 lety +4

      +Lord Ba'al (ironically named). While I don't know if they can solder, I do know that their stuff was leaking under pressure a full order of magnitude higher than water line pressure.
      Like putting 200,000 watts through a normal homes breaker box...

    • @catlover1986
      @catlover1986 Před 5 lety +4

      @@saulgoodman2018 All pressure fittings leak under extraordinary pressure. Hundreds of PSI isn't the same as 50 PSI.

    • @Dan-qk4ns
      @Dan-qk4ns Před 5 lety +1

      I've seen tests where 1/2" copper type L explodes around a max of 1,600 psi

    • @workisfun...2438
      @workisfun...2438 Před 5 lety +1

      @@saulgoodman2018 I believe he was meaning testing between copper pipe with solderd fittings, vs copper pipe with ProPress fittings. I use ProPess and would really like to see that comparison.

    • @98dizzard
      @98dizzard Před 5 lety +1

      Their pressure gauge barely got off 0. Maybe 300psi as he said in the video for failure of the pipe. My house supply is at 120psi, their pipes were leaking well before that.

  • @FixthisCD
    @FixthisCD Před 5 lety +10

    Need to test individually and record pressures, have Jordan tig weld those connections for no leaks.

    • @TheMetalButcher
      @TheMetalButcher Před 5 lety

      Or use a proper thread sealant. Pipe fittings easily hold 2000psi on hydraulic systems.

    • @TheMetalButcher
      @TheMetalButcher Před 5 lety

      @Mark OnTheBlueRidge Rector Seal ftw

  • @difarr1618
    @difarr1618 Před 3 lety

    Hi... Would you say using a curved 90 is better for end pressure, as opposed to a fitting 90?... Thanks...

  • @steray8112
    @steray8112 Před 8 měsíci

    Fun to watch. Thanks!

  • @1806StoneHouse
    @1806StoneHouse Před 5 lety +71

    I’m feeling good about using the crimp rings.. they held just as good as the others.

    • @BrianBriCurInTheOC
      @BrianBriCurInTheOC Před 5 lety +8

      The Uponor is better because the fitting is larger- more flow

    • @jopshua4703
      @jopshua4703 Před 5 lety +13

      All the methods work great when done properly. I decided on pex-a because the tendency of pex is to always return to its normal state, therefore the expansion method will constantly try to squeeze down on the fitting while pex-b will be fighting back to expand against a crimped connection. But I had to buy a $400 DeWalt expander tool while crimp ring tools are under $100.

    • @MARKE911
      @MARKE911 Před 5 lety +5

      My first house I used the copper crimp rings for a pier & beam remodel very small house and was so nervous about using them. I haven’t had a single issue or problem yet... every house there after I went with Uponor and continue. Not one single issue. I just feel more comfortable. The only thing I can take away from this is as long as they are installed correctly and properly tested I don’t think you will have issues with either. The 1st house has been issue free since 2009 I still inspect it every time I go to the house (rental). I don’t think I’ll be free from worry until I no longer own the house.

    • @guytech7310
      @guytech7310 Před 5 lety +4

      Steel Crimp rings could corrode and fail eventually. Personally I chose Uponor. No flow loss, Pex is easier to bend and you can heat with a hot air gun to remove pipe kinks.

    • @chungniem9494
      @chungniem9494 Před 5 lety +5

      No issues with crimp rings.. been doing this for 8+ years

  • @azelshort4177
    @azelshort4177 Před rokem +6

    For starters, I believe you have the shark bite setup for failure being straight off the end like it is. The end should be used for equalization, should it not? I also believe it would fail first as well. Good video, very interesting.

    • @user-hq4ft7nr3k
      @user-hq4ft7nr3k Před 10 měsíci

      not to mention he pushed on the release of the sharkbite

  • @RealGalaxyGamers
    @RealGalaxyGamers Před 4 lety

    for pex is there like a method that after you crimp it or expand that you can heat shrink it?

  • @paulprice9397
    @paulprice9397 Před 4 lety

    I’m feeling great right now. I chose the good clamps. I just hope the pipe holds up because that’s where all the failures where.

  • @lifeofabachelor8547
    @lifeofabachelor8547 Před 5 lety +20

    id like to see a comparison between pex and copper as well as other types of pipes used for water. black pipe etc when it comes to pressure. i think the shark bite quick connect is a good quick connect but not a long term in wall system.

    • @seephor
      @seephor Před 5 lety +3

      Hard copper pipe can handle 1000+ PSI if I were to guess since the max working pressure is around 700 PSI

    • @lifeofabachelor8547
      @lifeofabachelor8547 Před 5 lety +1

      @@seephor id like to see a comparison between pex and copper

    • @dennismadigan2023
      @dennismadigan2023 Před 5 lety

      I have had the push pex in wall for years. No problems. Push pex can handle normal water pressure and above.

    • @lifeofabachelor8547
      @lifeofabachelor8547 Před 5 lety

      @@dennismadigan2023 i am building a new house in the spring and have yet to decide what type of piping i will use somany pros and cons of all types

    • @dennismadigan2023
      @dennismadigan2023 Před 5 lety

      @@lifeofabachelor8547 for easy repair work I like the push pex. Push, push and done. To do a whole house it could get expensive. Pex with the crimp bands seem to be the way to go for a whole house project. One good thing with the push on is they can be taken off and reused which means they also can eliminate the need for a union in some areas.

  • @carlobert9820
    @carlobert9820 Před 4 lety +7

    Does the placement of the pipe in the test device have anything to do with what fails? You should run each pipe independently all from the same place in the pressure device.

  • @jeremyd.6060
    @jeremyd.6060 Před 3 lety +1

    I would be curious how these do under freezing condition.

  • @lsna4
    @lsna4 Před 4 lety

    wow.. it is great fun to watch.. and honest opinion on the products.. great job guys... i already subscribed..

  • @donweathersbee3199
    @donweathersbee3199 Před 3 lety +17

    Put a “bleed off” valve at the top of all that piping, fill all the piping completely with water, bleed off the air by cracking the valve at the top, before pumping, and you’ll have a “true hydro” test. By getting rid of all the air from your system, your gage will have true readings and not bounce back and forth with the trapped air. Since all the fittings were dripping water during your test, I’m not sure how you compressed any water or built any pressure. Thanks.

    • @NW-dl3bb
      @NW-dl3bb Před 3 lety

      Air is compressible
      WATER is NOT

  • @lifestories1446
    @lifestories1446 Před 4 lety +12

    The shark bite cap didn't fail. The joint at the bottom failed

    • @AdamKover
      @AdamKover Před 4 lety

      It was shark byte too, so same difference.

    • @Spawny500
      @Spawny500 Před 4 lety

      @@AdamKover threaded

    • @nikolaibreckenridge2287
      @nikolaibreckenridge2287 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Spawny500 Threaded to the manifold, sharkbite to the pipe, which is where it failed.

  • @johnalvitre3154
    @johnalvitre3154 Před 3 lety +2

    I understand what people are saying.... making this a rigid test and shortening pipe, etc. But look at reality... The pipe is the fail and was able to handle hundreds of pounds... in other words... it should not fail in a residential setting. That fact is why I am a happy user of PEX and considering adding PEX-AL-PEX to my radiators as I re-pipe all this old systems from the furnace. Great info. guys and it confirms my thoughts... PEX is the way to go.

  • @wolfmane8839
    @wolfmane8839 Před 3 lety

    Unless test leaking pipes how do we know the connection are done right with all the bad problems

  • @frankiefiggs8332
    @frankiefiggs8332 Před 5 lety +104

    The only thing that failed is this video

    • @executivesteps
      @executivesteps Před rokem +8

      Exactly. People should stick to what they know how to do. Stupid demo.

    • @ihavetwonipples
      @ihavetwonipples Před 4 měsíci

      Who’s sponsoring this video? “Absolute newbies to plumbing “

  • @Jgriffin0808081
    @Jgriffin0808081 Před 5 lety +29

    Id love to see copper and solder included with the pex

  • @dwightdumas7724
    @dwightdumas7724 Před 5 lety

    I wished you had video the guage. I am curiouse what the pressure differance was between the failure

  • @KeithOutWest
    @KeithOutWest Před 4 lety

    That was fun! Thanks.

  • @Gruntled2001
    @Gruntled2001 Před 5 lety +7

    Guys, I love all'yall, and I certainly appreciate the time and the effort that goes into making even a simple video (I have a channel myself). This one was not simple, and, again, I appreciate the work you put into it, but at the end of the day it would have had more value if you could repeat the experiment at least 5-7 times, and to record what the failure pressure was for each fitting. Otherwise, there is no scientific or statistical significance to these measurements (but lots of entertainment to be sure).

  • @dustinstorey6779
    @dustinstorey6779 Před 5 lety +7

    After seeing this I would think the more accurate test would need to be done individually to eliminate any pressure difference at the manifold. Also in order to give the Pex A and everything else an actual real world situation would need to go much slower. So pressurize to a particular psi, leave it for an hour or some extended time and then come back add more pressure and continue. One thing it would do is give the pex A more time to expand naturally but also we would see if time + pressure would affects the connections.

    • @JordanSmithBuilds
      @JordanSmithBuilds Před 5 lety

      Stay tuned!!! More to come...

    • @MrDmadness
      @MrDmadness Před 5 lety

      there are no differences in pressure in the manifold, they are using liquid for the test, which means the pressure is equal in all areas since liquids are non compressible. I can tell by your ideas that you are not a plumber... respectfully intended... the time think is not a real world scenario at all, pressures can rapidly change in a plumbing system depending on demand and age of components. if you really want to see pex tested then get a tour of Q.c. at any factory making pex or upinor. time and pressure do not effect it, pressure and temperature does.

  • @appleztooranges
    @appleztooranges Před rokem

    I love Sharkbite. Now I trust them even more. Thanks guys

  • @claudepoulin8558
    @claudepoulin8558 Před 2 lety

    You guys are fun keep it young Jordan/ Matt

  • @scottperezfox
    @scottperezfox Před 5 lety +8

    "There's no real-world takeaway here."
    Still a fun video to watch.

  • @jameshopkins1260
    @jameshopkins1260 Před 3 lety +14

    This would have been a very informative video had you used proper test procedures and included the test values. What where you thinking.

  • @jasoncaston4557
    @jasoncaston4557 Před 3 lety

    What style of crimping tool did you use on the winner,that's the connection i use

  • @davidmuth4571
    @davidmuth4571 Před rokem +1

    I am a plumber, but my first encounter with pex was a failed sharkbite push to connect. I chose to use an expansion tool with the fittings and pressure rings.

  • @anthowinebradford2978
    @anthowinebradford2978 Před 3 lety +8

    I would love for you to do a freeze test expansion on all of those PEX pipes to see which one will bust

    • @reelmatthewswinslow
      @reelmatthewswinslow Před 2 lety

      They did a test on another video. Not sure if you saw it, with multiple pipe types, copper, cpvc and PEX and all sort of fittings. Copper failed of course and surprised myself to see cpvc hold up and PEX held up the best

    • @metalrooves3651
      @metalrooves3651 Před rokem

      There's a youtube guy that did it..camera inside a freezer too..

  • @GMAC240
    @GMAC240 Před 5 lety +19

    Fail... "we're gonna pressure test this... let me wiggle and bend the pipe around the fitting..."

  • @josephv5170
    @josephv5170 Před 3 lety

    Hi Matt...I recently did a copper pipe failure and replaced the approx 2 ft section with shark bite push on connector from copper to pex. It was the hot water pipe and I wanted to know if this video means I'm looking for a failure with this connection in the future??
    thanks..Joe Watch all your videos and enjoyed the .

  • @davidelliott5843
    @davidelliott5843 Před 4 lety

    In U.K., I first used Acorn PEx in mid 1980s 30 years later they were still working fine. Acorn was renamed Hep2o and later that style was sold to Polypipe. It has a screw on cap with O ring seal and grab ring. Later Hep2o had the grab rings but need a special tool to de mount the fitting. John Guest is another brand but to me they always feel wobbly and their pipes are really stiff.

  • @Jtx-lp4yi
    @Jtx-lp4yi Před 5 lety +7

    Hoop stress is 2x the stress on the ends. I was a bit sketched out when you were so close originally with your hand on the pipe.

  • @shopart1488
    @shopart1488 Před 2 lety +4

    I put a shark bite cap on a 1/2 “ type L copper pipe which was inaccessible with a torch when they first became available. With normal water pressure @ 65# it’s still holding today. Great product!!

  • @oscarturcios971
    @oscarturcios971 Před 3 lety

    Thank you guys that was so awesome show!!!!

  • @JoeSevy
    @JoeSevy Před rokem

    I have to wonder if using hydraulic oil instead of water makes any difference, particularly for the push on that failed right away.

  • @rane301
    @rane301 Před 5 lety +10

    The concern I've always had with these type of push connectors is that we rely on a rubber O-ring for a seal. That O-ring will dry out and degrade over time and fail. Not to mention that any movement of the pipes will most certainly cause a leak, seen this 100X working on drinking fountains

    • @tylerhensley2312
      @tylerhensley2312 Před 2 lety

      'propress' fitting have an o-ring in them, non of the options they tested today have orings in them and rely on the inner diameter of the tubing to seal off.

    • @NewShockerGuy
      @NewShockerGuy Před 2 lety

      @@tylerhensley2312 I'm new to all the pex type of material so from what you said is that good or bad?
      I want to get a hot and cold water line pipped into my garage from my laundry room. I think copper would be the best bet but I keep seeing people recommending PEX type material. I'd be fearful that eventually something breaks compared to an actual metal pipe?

    • @tylerhensley2312
      @tylerhensley2312 Před 2 lety

      @@NewShockerGuy o-rings have a tendency to get old and crack not so good under pressure, the pex tubing material itself is what creates the seal when you crimp the ring.
      You can't really go wrong with copper if you know how to solder correctly, with that I'm re-plumbing my personal house and using pex, but I'm only doing it because I can color code my hot and cold. I would say pex is perfectly fine if you're using metal fittings stay away from the plastic fittings, also upsize the given diameter if you use pex so if you are planning on using 1/2" copper then plan on 3/4 pex. Pex is really easy, inexpensive and only needs 2 tools, copper costs more, takes multiple fairly expensive tools to use and takes a skill to solder.
      If you just want to get it done I would say use pex, if you're up for a project do copper.

  • @throttlebottle5906
    @throttlebottle5906 Před 5 lety +11

    only 500psi? i'd say the gauge off, now lets see some serious "water hammer" action..... that is the biggest issue in common plumbing, things suddenly "slamming shut/off"

    • @vincentrobinette1507
      @vincentrobinette1507 Před 5 lety +1

      Think of the solenoid valves in washing machines, and dishwashers. while the flow rate isn't real high, they do shut off suddenly. I think pex pipe is flexible enough to just simply dampen the line hammer, unlike black pipe, or even copper.

    • @98dizzard
      @98dizzard Před 5 lety +1

      Vincent Robinette yeah, my Samsung machine is a bastard. It does 10 second bursts of filling and has a real fast acting solenoid. I put a water hammer arrestor on it, but it still bangs the pipes like crazy.

  • @eloymarquez4783
    @eloymarquez4783 Před 3 lety

    How are they working with the Texan freeze? Is any of those holding ?

  • @billhand9330
    @billhand9330 Před 4 lety +2

    My first thought is I’m a 61-year-old retired Mortgage Banker. And I never get tired of watching stuff blowup.
    The only thing that would have made this video better is if you started it off with the phrase
    “Hold my beer, prepare to be amazed” 😂