Full Hot Tub Electrical Install - Start To Finish
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Synopsis:
You called, we answered: A hot tub installation is one of the most requested videos from our viewers, so we were excited when church friends gave us the green light to film the process at their home. While we will be showing everything step-by-step, we need to stress that our definitive recommendation is that a professional perform this installation because hot tubs 1) have high power draw, 2) are full of WATER which pairs very harmfully with electricity, 3) require mastery of indoor and outdoor electrical and building codes, & 4) are an expensive investment that we do not want to be held responsible for! If you’ve got the tools and the willingness to attempt this behemoth, but would like some “targeted expertise” without hiring out the whole project, Joel Walsman can be contacted directly via video or voice call through this link: electric-pro-academy.square.s.... Otherwise, we welcome your thoughts on this latest high-power episode at EPRO!
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National Electrical Code (NEC) referenced in this video:
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[] Service Outlet [NEC 680.43 (Service Outlet & GFCI Protection), 406.9 (Cover)]
[] Disconnecting Means [NEC 680.13]
[] Wire Type, Color-Coding, & Size [NEC 210.5, 310.4(A), 310.16,]
[] Separation of Grounds & Neutrals [250.32(B)(1)]
[] GFCI Protection [NEC 680.5]
[] 18" Minimum Conduit/Wire Burial Depth [NEC 300.5]
[] 3' Minimum Mounting Conduit To Exterior [NEC 352.20(A)&(B)]
Outline:
0:00 - Introduction
0:25 - Materials
7:24 - Home Penetrations
12:25 - Prefabricating & Dry-Fitting The Main Disconnect
19:45 - Mounting The Main Disconnect
22:08 - Wire Considerations & Pulling Wire
29:05 - Terminating The Home Run In Main Disconnect
37:37 - Dry-Fitting Underground Conduit
45:15 - Gluing & Mounting Underground Conduit
48:03 - Mounting & Terminating A Service Receptacle
53:50 - Terminating The Service Receptacle In The Panel
1:02:51 - Terminating The Hot Tub Wire In The Panel
1:06:34 - Reinstalling The Panel Cover
1:07:36 - Installing Conduit Within The Hot Tub
1:10:45 - Terminating Wire In The Hot Tub
1:12:59 - Terminating Wire In The Main Disconnect
1:17:53 - Testing Main Disconnect & Service Receptacle
1:20:28 - Final Labeling
1:21:02 - Project Wrap-Up
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Wouldn't an LL connection make more sense for access off of the disconnect box to the spa?
That’s kinda lame. As the homeowner, I would have wanted a LL. Easy to get one unless you’re at a remote install.
@@Citizen16603 how many electricians know of LL’s and LR’s let alone homeowners
@@kidR0BOT I bet you are right. As an oldish DIYer who once worked the retail aisles in the electric dept, my intuition is telling me LL, LB, LR refer to orientation of the box cover to the lugs, i.e. Left, Back, Right.
@@Citizen16603 the only person that even notices that stuff is the electrician.
@@kidR0BOT Most....
Knowledgeable. Detail oriented. Intelligent. Critical thinker. This is the kind of guy I would want on any project. Thank you for sharing your best practices and everything else. There needs to be more of you out there.
Love the positive attitude, the humbleness, and the eagerness to teach.
This has to be the best how to video I have ever seen. Nice job. Crazy good video. This installer could also be a phenomenal training class instructor/teacher.
Your ongoing commentary during your work is fantastic for us DIY guys.. I love the little insights you give, especially the one about connecting two whites in the panel to same slot.. making sure the other breaker is off…
Nobody explains this stuff better than you, Joel. Nobody!
The attention to detail is phenomenal these are some tips and techniques only a pro would know.
Great that people got out of their way to produce so many DIY vidios but entire vidio should be code compliant. Not only dangerous but sure johnny homeowner that flunks an inspection because he followed a flawed vidio. I've been a sparky for over 50 years and went to over a hundred continuing education classes and read two separate code questions of the day and still learning and trying to keep up with the over thousand code changes every three years when the newest NEC book comes out.
Extremely helpful. So much learnt and so much safety tips in every single step from a professional. Thanks for making such a channel. 🙏
This was a great video. As a professional electrician myself, but mostly commercial/industrial background, this was easily the best video I came across showing wiring a hot tub. Specifically I was looking at wiring methods at the hot tub itself, comparing Teck90 (Canada), to PVC, seal tite, I can't tell you how fun this video was to watch. I watched it on double speed it was awesome. You are very detail oriented and have great vocabulary. There is no way I could explain out loud what I'm doing, as I'm doing it the way that you do.
I started watching the video for entertainment then it turned into almost a class session, and I loved it! Thanks for the video
Love the detailed explanations. Best electrician on youtube.
Awesome video man! I feel like I know everything I need to do this for my own hot tub tomorrow. Appreciate the thorough explanations.
Your electrical videos are the best on CZcams. Nobody is this detailed. Great stuff.
I loved this video because it seems like you take your work way to serious “as do I” this has to be one of the best videos on CZcams thank you so much!!!
That was an AMAZING tutorial! Best educational one I have ever seen for us non-electricians. If you were in my area, I would hire you in a heartbeat! Thanks.
wow, this is some superb content. Thanks for sharing! Subscribed
Great video and great quality! I enjoyed watching this all the way through. Thank you for the helpful content. I highly recommend it!
Most eloquent and elegant presentation!
Outstanding! Thanks for all the tips. Learned a lot.
Joel the content is just superb you are the man. Nice tip on drilling large holes with a smaller drill - in the UK it’s called stitch drilling, or you could use a core drill. I like the Marx man pen a lot for location positioning and drill anchors identification.
I enjoy your videos, been in the business for 40 years - GREAT work !
Fantastic A-Z walkthrough, Joel. Your videos are the best quality videos I've seen. Outstanding. Wish I would have found your channel sooner :)
Thank you for this video, i installed my hot tub sub panel first try no issues!!
Loving the content, your attention to detail and ethos! Might have to schedule a consult on my electrical plans here in Oakland, CA - 200A service upgrade, adding second meter and subpanel for ADU - wish Jefferson Electric were in the Bay Area!
Great video!! really well done. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for your video. I really appreciate all the tips, as the installation instructions that came with our spa were useless. The tip on the expansion and shrinkage was very helpful, considering our local temperatures have been in the high 90s. I also appreciate you mentioning using liquidtite inside the spa. I had not thought of that.
This is the most thorough electrical content ever. Keep it up, man!
Great instructional video. Thanks!
Thanks Joel! Great video
Just what I needed
Very well explained good job man
3m in and already the best hot tub install video of the 12 I have watched by far.
Such a helpful informative video by a real pro
After watching your video, I'm ready to install my new bullfrog Hot Tub, Thank you and great video :)
This gives me more confidence for when I run power for my new spa. I won't be going underground though but under my deck so it'll be a bit different.
I got those same boulder bags. Love em
Cool video and great work, I work in hvac so I know what it’s like dealing with thick wires in small boxes 😫, I always get fatter disconnects just for that reason.
Great video, learned alot.
As a sparky in the uk it’s interesting to see the difference in American to uk electrics
One thing just to add as we have to drill through brick/concrete a lot if you can’t get one of the larger hammer drills you can use smaller drill bits and work your way up ie 10mm,20mm,25mm,30mm the larger the drill bit the smaller the increments.
Also even with the larger drills I would recommend doing a smaller pre drill before so your 100% in the right place and it also goes a lot quicker
Nice work.
when you were talking about PVC conduit in the ground and separation that happens after installing it, I totally agree, I use HDPE conduit and transition to PVC coming out of the ground and transition before goin into buildings, a lot of Utility Power Companies use HDPE conduit during the installation phase of a new subdivision, HDPE is rated the same as schedule 40 PVC but with no connection points to separate, such as a 10' piece of schedule 40, HDPE conduit comes on a reel and can be laid in a trench the full length without any glued splice points
Very helpful! Would this need to be equipotentially bonded given the distance to the house and fences? If so, where would you connect the bonding wire?
AWESOME THANK YOU!
Please do a through review on multimeter usage. Love your worK ethic, I’m from Indy great town really miss the races.
wow what a amazing video
Thanks!
Awesome!! thank you
Those big hammerdrills can do a number on a guys head when they "lock up" right before penetration or in cement with rebar. Ive told many a guy that and then they learn !! Actually, you get a quick lockup on the bit a lotta times right before penetration on a layer. When you feel that (and sometimes hear) i always back off hard on pressure and let the drill spin so the bit doesnt bite and throw you. Sometimes I even run the hammerdrill fast in reverse so that it doesnt bite and throw you on the final stroke on a layer.
YOU ARE ON POINT !!
Amazing Video! Just what I needed. Who makes the GFCI weatherproof cover that you are using for the service outlet? Didn't see it in the recommended products. SUBSCRIBED!
Great video !! So, I basically I did the same scope of work today. My Tub has been sitting empty for just over 4 months now, I moved. And sadly when I powered up the spa pack, it tripped immediately, a coupple a flashing lights on the spa mother board. Dam it !! :( I guess I'm calling my spa guys for a service call on Monday.
Neat wiring at the panel
But not in the disconnect box! Ugh, what a mess. The line wires definitely should have come up from the bottom.
This video is extremely helpful, thanks a ton. I recently purchased a hot tub and hopefully all the needed parts to tackle this job myself. However, I am still trying to find the ideal installation guidance for a slab wall. In your video here, you are going into the floor joists (I assume) and into an unfinished basement. If you had to go through vinyl siding, do you have any recommendations there? I figured the smart thing is to enter in the adjacent stud space? Is there a trick to avoid removing drywall?
You mentioned terminal covers for the main lugs as a common feature in newer panels, and I always found it fascinating that US panels are built like that because Canadian panels actually require a physically separate section for the main lugs so that there's no ability to accidentally touch the always energized incoming cables. Makes it so much safer to work in the panel, especially when you're able to turn off the main breaker.
Absolute brilliant that Canada required separate section for main circuit breaker. Can not understand how clown Candian produced DIY shows constantly show dangerous practice of installing panels side ways. If somebody turns any of the top row circuit breakers off handles are in dangerous up while off position. If something was to hit that breaker circuit would be energized. Yes you are supposed to install LOTO on circuit that you are working on but homeowners never do. At the very least these clown shows must show a disclaimer stating that practice is not legal in the USA.
@@JohnThomas-lq5qp I'm not sure when the code changed in Canada, but it used to be perfectly legal to install a panel sideways here. My parents had their house rewired in the early 80s, and their breaker panel was installed that way and passed inspection.
It's absolutely a terrible practice and definitely illegal now, but I think it's common to see because it used to be a very normal thing to do.
at 15:20 you remind me of my very first journeyman. his quote, "everything vibrates. whether you can see it or not"
I'm very impressed with the hot tub wiring installation you completed - it's outstanding. On the other hand, the existing wiring in the house could improve cable management; it's not as tidy and well-arranged as your work.
This was an excellent video for wiring my hot tub. The inspector thought that the job was done well enough that it could easily pass as one done by an electrician. The only glitch I had was that my specific hot tub does not use the neutral to the tub but connects back into breaker box via the neutral bar in the shutoff breaker box. It took some research to figure that out. Otherwise it was easy to
follow.
Not installing a Spa, but I’m really impressed with the detail !
I like the little right-angle block for the raintight electrical outlet i have a fishpond where it is hard to get the plugs in the cover do they sell that separately or is there an easy way to get more raintight outlets i can plug pumps and lights for pond into i need 4 always plugged in raintight outlets
LR would been perfect for that application! Nice job
*LL
do you have a link for the While In Use cover? I'm going to be adding an outdoor outlet onto my house and I hate how far the already purchased box and cover combined are going to protrude past the vinyl siding. The 90 degree bend adapter is pure genius.
Your a real pro
Loved the tutorial. No PVC primer?
Great vid! Lots of good, embedded pro tips. However, I would have used THWN-2 for the entire installation based on 300-9. Really enjoy your channel and content.
That panel, though... The romex zip tied together as it swung across the huge gap to the wall there just made me wince.
Excellent Video! AHJ where I live would have nailed you for not transitioning from Romax once you hit the first LB coming through the wall.
do you think putting a small piece or patch of 10mil tape over those lugs as a backup safety for the possible unexpected movement of the bare ground? just a thought. i saw during the second ground term. as you were cutting get DAMN CLOSE to the lug for just a moment in time
you could use an LL instead of LB to have more space to pull the wire :)
Could you share the ground and neutral with the hot tub breaker and the 20 amp breaker in the house and just run the a second single black wire back to panel?
Love the videos and found the hammer drill for anchors we always turn off the hammer part we deal with a lot of stucco in the cable/networking wires
To add to Joel's response: That's a big no-no!
I understand a GFCI breaker is required for the tub. Is it necessary or required to have two breakers, inside and outside? Could a GFCI be used in the main panel and a simple disconnect be outside?
Like someone else said, should've used an LL so the cover was facing forward instead of to the left where it can't be opened or used properly.
Outstanding video. Thanks for sharing. Will use this one.
Super impressive. Not the installation, but the confidence to upload this.
Looks like a kijiji job. You can do better, quote accordingly 👍
Nice job, I would have used an LL conduit for code accessibility to any condulett body.
Did I miss it. Did he seal the wires where they entered building as required by NEC to prevent condensation building up.
I like to use a pair of needle nose without a cutting face when working in a panel like that. Learned that one the hard way
We had an electrical box ran to our external garage from our main panel. Now we are adding a Hot Tub behind the garage. I was told not to use the ground from the house/garage panel, but instead drive a grounding rod into the ground and ground to that.
Is that what I should do, since this is a second termination not the initial one out of the house? Since there is a possibility of the neutral and grounds being on the same bar in the house? (I haven’t pulled that panel)
I just moved to a new home and brought my spa with me. The spa requires a 50 amp gfci at the disconnect box. I have a detached shed/shop with a subpanel that is fed by a 60 amp from the main. There are currently 3 15 amp breakers that runs a 5000 btu window unit a few lights and some 110 outlets. Would it be to much to Install the 50 amp breakers feed the gfci disconnect for the spa?
If it's convenient consider drilling as many holes as you can in the mortar, versus brick. Brick can't be repaired, only replaced. The mortar is designed to expand and contract and it's less dusty.
Joel... Great reminder concerning PVC expanding and contracting. An a retired owner of a landscaping company, I had many instances from other companies where glued joints failed because the pipes weren't properly "climatized". Here in Oregon, fluctuations in the winter and summer can be quite frustrating for the inexperienced greenhorn. 🙂
I made the mistake of buying pvc gutters and they had rubber seals to let gutter slide in and out at each 10-foot piece into a fixed bracket. you had to pick how far into bracket each end was depending on temperature. but the seals would tear and wear out so it leaked at each section, and you could not caulk it
@@ranger178 The great thermal PVC expansion is news to me too. I'm here to learn.
Great video. Curious question ? Does your local code allow you to use a disconnect as a cable raceway? 12/2 through the Hot tub disconnect?
I don't think there's any problem with that...running 240 together with 120 is fine and won't hurt anything. Any difference of more than 300V is when you have to separate I believe. Class 1, 2 and 3 circuits. Running 120 or 240 with 24VDC? No way Jose.
Why you did not use an LL on the 3/4" out of the disconnect and use an LB? and did the inspector make you replaced before approval?
Was that job inspeted? Here in loudon couty va Will not pass to many grounded parts around and they Will make you to install a grounding ring around the hottub
wouldn't it be a less sharp bend to make loop of neutral go around the other way in the disconnect box?
On the conduit burial I guess you did but wanted to ask if you placed a warning label above the conduit in the ground? Tapcons are water rated with the covering but not a fan of them even the blue ones with the extra seal covering on top of stainless steel I have seen some of them rust out. I guess you also torqued the the hot tub as it had torque recommendations.
Also, you talk about conduit expanding and contracting . How come you didn’t use a expansion fitting with conduit coming out of the ground?
Is there such thing as a spa that runs on 3-phase power? I’ve researched it & I can’t find a store bought solution. I’d like to use my spa on a whim & have the water to temperature in under an hour.
Why you used a 15A GFCI in a 20A circuit?
Do you need to run.a green wire for grounding the tub or can you use the bare copper wire that comes with the 3 conductor cable?
Hi there. I'm russian electrician. And i saw you work in live panel. can't tell i dont do that too. i do it a lot in much more dangerous enviroments. but my experience shows me that only experienced electricians (like you) get in trouble with the voltage. they think they know everything, and they dont afraid of the power anymore. and that's there they make mistakes. keep that in mind when work in live panels. the power is invisible but deadly. be safe)
Could you not go straight up into the lugs behind the breaker vs going up and over and bending it for your 6/3 from house? Or does code require the bend so less chance for them to pull out
i must be old fashoined but you ever heard of duct seal great to lay a bead around all couplings and fill voids in structure and a bead around the sides and most of the box on the outside. you want to leave a little gap at the bottem just in case some water gets behind it can drain out
You CAN put romex in a conduit, but NOT in this scenario, code prohibits it from in conduit in wet locations, which means, not outdoor.
Also prohibited to strip romex and use as he is whether outside or not.
Even if the , conducters inside the romex is thhn 2?
Who cares
You can use NM in conduit but it has to be derated more often than not soooooo is it economical?
Romex in conduit for few feet is fine and since it's above ground it's ok for heat disapation. Thwn is used for the actual run.
How long did this take you to install?
Do you have a link for the support clips you are calling "minis"? Checked description links and you have just about everything else linked.
I've always called them _conduit hangers._
Is the dedicated 20amp receptacle code required with the hot tub epectrical installation? Or is that just an extra convenience?
If 12/2 Romex isn’t rated for wet locations and if it’s in conduit that is exterior considered as a wet location wouldn’t that compromise the 12/2 romex paper and everything?
Is the receptacle required by code also
what about for the 6' clearance rule? Romex in a wet location? Was the EGC a #10? Never would pass in my area.
Must be in some hick dukes of Hazzard backward location.
Hey is there a reason you didn’t pull the line into the hole on the bottom right side of the disconnect and run ur load through the hole on the bottom left of the disconnect?
Can I use 6/3 UF-B from the spa panel to a 240v 48amp spa?
Great video and detail. On question about the ground wiring. If the spa wire is # 6 don't you need a #8 ground. You said in the video the ground was a #10. Also, doesn't the ground wire need to be insulated for a spa? Looked like it was only insulated ground wire between the disconnect and the spa, the rest was bare.
I agree with insulated all the way to main panel. Also #8 would have been ok for the whole run.
Number 10 wire for ground is plenty. You can use a #6 ground for a 200amp service. Ground wire going to panel does not have to be insulated. Only problem I see with this installation was not using an LL for the #12 romex. And installing a 15 amp gfci on a 20 amp breaker
You used #6 awg wire for the exterior
Could I get away with #8awn on 40 amps 2 pumps. 20 feet in Minnesota?