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What Happened After Kalamazoo? | 2003 Gibson Memphis ES-335 Guide, Review + Demo
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0:12 - Opening
0:48 - Revisiting This ES-335
1:20 - ES-335 History
2:03 - Different Types of ES-335
3:39 - How to Identify Yours
6:37 - Inside Look / Specs
15:49 - Blacklight & Weight
17:05 - Tone Demo (Clean)
19:26 - Tone Demo (Dirty)
21:10 - Final Thoughts
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ES-335 can be kind of confusing with how many different places they have been made. Kalamazoo, Nashville, Memphis, Custom Shop... I hope this video helps you a bit with IDing your 335.
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Thanks Austin. I have an “Ebony” finish 1960s reissue 335 from the 90s. I’ve never seen that finish on another 335 here in Australia. It has the Larry Carlton tone.
I have bought the Jim James ES 335 from guitar center because of your show, unfortunately it came with the wrong case (brown USA standard) and a blank trust rod cover so I had to return it. Heartbroken until now! 😂
It's gotta nice wacka wacka quack when played clean
@ 9:07 "you want dots not blocks"
why?
Fun fact: I built the first Nashville 335 Dot on January 21st, 1982.
Randy L.
Nice one Andy...you have made a worthwhile contribution to music history!!!
The 1st 335 build in Nashville, in 80s? Sweet, I know you got photos
Trogly mentioned his help sessions; I urge you to utilize this if you are ever in doubt about anything.I recently reached out for a session as I was going to buy a vintage 345. I was just expecting him to look at the listing and say it’s good or not. He went from the headstock down, comparing the listing with pictures of originals to show all of the changes and any part swaps that were apparent and some that were a bit harder to notice. He pointed out parts that were considered by the seller as “upgrades” which really weren’t. He pointed out things I wouldn’t have thought to look for and was very thorough in his explanations and valuation. Way beyond my expectations. Utilize his service if you have questions on stuff
That's why I watch all his shows. He goes into the esoterics of a guitar. For Gibson analytics he's best on CZcams, no one else even comes close.
I've got "The first 100 years of Gibson" book, which goes some distance towards sorting these models out, but tells little about revisions within a model from year to year as production is concerned. Maybe a book or two exists out there does a lot of that for him?
If not, he'd probably have to acquire 5+ books and possibly spend dozens of hours getting the nomenclature, model variants and parts changes sorted into a comprehensive reference index.
I was fortunate enough to tour the Gibson factory in Kalamazoo back in the 70's while on a middle school field trip. Definitely the most memorable experience I ever had in school.
After Strats, 335's after my faaaavorite guitars. People always talk about how great PAFs sound in Les Pauls, I think they're MADE for 335s. You get a nice underwound PAF with a slightly scooped midrange and an articulate top end, and the way the hollow wings smooth out the attack is line magic with the PAF. Everyone gushes over vintage Bursts, personally I'd go for a vintage 335.
Personally I prefer the sightly narrower, sharper wings of the early 60s over the Mickey Mouse ears.
Yeah!
I played strats for my first 10 years, and imo still nothing beats one for surf, reggae, (a lot of) blues, VH Floyd and Hendrix etc.... but looking back wish I'd started on a semi-hollow instead. In the late-'80s anything Gibson was perceived as quaint and stodgy compared to the sleek super-strats, while PRS was very new and rather high-end.
A 335 is just so much closer to a "real" acoustic guitar, while still keeping many of the virtues of a solid-body. A near-ideal compromise that _sings_ like few electrics can.
Very cool. I was lucky enough to tour the Memphis factory the day before they closed. Got to see the Chris Cornell guitar before it debuted at NAMM. Something cool, they still use all the original equipment to form the top and various other parts. I did buy a Les Paul there that day, good times.
I tried to tour the Memphis factory a few weeks before it closed, but the tour was fully booked on the day I was in Memphis. :(
All the talk about the Kalamazoo factory got me googling. I’m a Michigander so I was curious what became of the old factory. I’d really love to see you do a review of Heritage guitars! Former employees bought the factory along with the original equipment and still make guitars. Would love to see how you think they compare to old Kalamazoo gibsons, modern gibsons etc.
I believe they make Harmony there too
Harmony was across the lake from Gibson..
@@americanjoe5486 no, the new "reissue" Harmonys from the company who also owns Heritage, Mono cases, Cakewalk, and many others (BandLab) owns Harmony and has them made white-label through Heritage.
Heritage guitars are amazing! Would love to see some on here too
When I had difficulty finding a non-Custom Shop 335 with bit of a chunkier 50s-ish neck, maybe an early 80s model with Shaw pups, and playing a couple 2000s that came available locally that resembled the neck on Trog’s reviewed here, I bought a Heritage H535 after reading reviews that suggested the neck profile matched older Gibsons. Turns out that is not true. While wider than the thinnest 60s era 335s, the H535 was flat and uncomfortable to me. After a while (over a year)I finally bit the bullet and just ponied up for at Wildwood Spec 59 335. Cost almost twice what the early 80s were going for, but it turns out it’s money we’ll spent. A dream guitar that I enjoy the heck out of playing.
One of my best buddies growing up had a 60s model 335. It is the only guitar he's ever had and still plays it today in his retirement. It was aways spotless and very well maintained. We were in a band together in junior high and high school. It was awesome!
I have to say this particular one sounds good, I'm not a fan of the Classic 57s. They're okay on solid bodies, but not so much on semi hollow. This one has a good neck pickup though, there's good articulation.
The sustain of 335s are what makes them. A lot of players who aren't used to these will comment "why do people talk about the sustain," expecting the long note ringing of a solid body. It's really how long that initial note rings before it starts to decay that players like, think main riff of Sweet Child of Mine. They're great clean for that reason.
A 335 w/PAFs into an overdriven Plexi type gain, ala "La Villa Strangiato," is bliss. That's actually what made me fall in love with these.
I agree in regards to the neck though I'd prefer a fatter profile.
What amazes me all of these Gibson Les Pauls look so alike but are so very different I enjoy watching you evaluating each guitar. Is it possible you can do a short video on how you clean a fretboard I have two vintage guitars that needed so badly. Thanks
I did my rhythm tracks on the album one of my bands recorded with a 335 like that from right around the same year (early 2000s), and I gotta say it was probably one of the best guitars I'd ever played
I have a 2008 ES-335 DOT in cherry red that I bought new and absolutely love it. The D-shaped neck is lovely for me and the PAF ‘57 classics sound lovely. I love the Grover tuners too. Great video, thanks 👍
P.S. mine came in a case with a big “Gibson Custom” on it 👍
Memphis is honestly one of my favorite eras for Gibson so many cool guitars
I've got a 2006 Figured ES-335 and I love it. My sides aren't nearly that flamed and it ironically has a nicer piece of Maple on the back than on the top
Trogs,
I've got a blonde dot marker 335...made on 9/17/80...the serial number ends in 001. In 1980 I traded a Johnny Smith for it at Valley Arts Guitar in L.A. it is by far the best 335 I've ever played. I didn't realize I had the first reissue till 20 years after owning it. It's in Fab player condition
Keep up the great work! Love the channel.
I used to own a 335 and hated it, but I’m still drawn to them. This one looks and sounds amazing.
Got a tender spot in my heart for 335. My daddy was a guitarist from his teens til his 80s. All he played was 335
The whole thing with the 335 is that it is born of a "class compromise" - but a near-ideal one for many players.
It isn't a hybrid or combination of two specific guitar _models,_ instead it gives the archtop class some solidity to handle amplification and feedback better; as the solidbody class can.
It's created its own "thinline semi-hollow" class, keeping some remnants of acoustic and archtop virtues - i.e. what sounds sub-optimal played on a solid guitar - still viable at higher volumes.
At least 3 are "needed' to cover most of the total "335 experience" and class-potential, sonically:
1) a properly-constructed Gibson that doesn't stray much if any from the early to mid-60s spec
2) another similar Gibson with a Bigsby (or better) pitchwiggler
3) a variant from Collings, Heritage, Ibanez, Yamaha or perhaps Gibson themselves- one with a broader timbral and/or functional range than the vintage Gibson spec'ed ones
Hi Trogly , another outstanding video, it might be interesting being as you are branching out to look at the ES 339's the baby sister of the 335. Also would love to hear your perspective on the massive delays that Gibson are experiencing in delivering the ES range since they moved all production to Nashville.
Great show!!! I love 335s and very much enjoyed learning about the various build locations. Thanks.
335s are my favorite model of all time!
I’ve got a 1994 (I think, but I know it’s a 90s) cherry 335 and I LOOOOOVE IT, dot inlays, and the pickup covers are oxidized and stuff it’s awesome, same profile neck as the one in this video from how you described it feeling
I have a Japanese made mid 60's Aria 1202T (basically a 335 copy) I purchased in 1997. It was my first decent guitar (my previous guitar being a cheap Strat copy) and I bought it because I was somgwriting, singing and playing originals professionally at the time. Honestly it's a great guitar and even though it's a bit worse for wear now I still have a soft spot for it. I'm going to restore it soon to return it to its former glory.
Had an Aria LP copy "cream top" back in the 80s. Good guitar.
Love this video! Please do as many ES shows as possible...very interesting. The areas of finish wear were very informative. Deodorant..? Who knew! That area on my es Always requires wiping down. Now I know why.
Thanks for this one.
Far from boring! Love the history as well as the models. Keep up the good work Trogly!
Nice Blind Melon noodling in the demo! I love that band, been playing them a bit lately. If Shannon had lived, the amazing music we would have...
Yup total waste - from one dead melonhead to another
Trogly's in the HOUSE!!!
Greg’s in the HOUSE!!!!
Greg and Nathaniel, Greetings
I have a black 2003 335 and I was always so confused why the neck shape was so different than all the other 335's that I've played. My fretboard has those channels on either side of the fret as well. Crazy!
I think I figured out something about the es-335 today… maybe something even Trogly doesn’t know! (Seems hard to believe, I know). The Memphis 335’s with standard serial numbers are all xxxxx7xx. So, if you have serial ending in 705, it’s not that it’s the 205th guitar made in Memphis that day, it’s the 5th es made that day (in Memphis). And, Nashville ES guitars are quite rare in the 2001-2018 time frame. It seems the ES models were primarily made in Memphis (special models with unique serial numbers is a different story). Maybe someone can confirm?
Anyone else notice that new custom shop Gibson’s have wings glued on to either side of the headstock? I have a 2011 R7, and a 2011 Gibson USA SG Jr. with the same 3 piece head.
If I’m not mistaken, all the headstocks have wings glued on...except for the old melody makers and such!!
@@eddiejr540 so that’s always been the case?
I had a 1981 es345 that was made in Kalamazoo. Amazing guitar. Had to sell it to pay bills
I have a 2004 Memphis ES 335 and man its soo God dam good. Great guitar and I'll have it till death
Yay!
Woohooo!!! You won the Walmart award for the very first comment!! You are amazing!!! 🍪 🥇
Congrats on being first
Congrats Sir
WOOOHOOO you won
Awesom guitar! 16:50 that's why I prefer 330's at 8lbs you might as well have a solid body, I have as many do a bad back thus, playing a 4-5 lb 330/casino makes a huge difference. Not that I'd turn down a center blocked guitar either I just dont play my 355 for its weight attributes, that's all. 😄
I was hear for the stunningly beautiful guitar visuals. I stayed for the history lesson.
Why do you consider a dot fretboard more desirable than block inlays or otherwise?
335 probably the greatest guitar ever made...
I always wondered why ES 335s weren't as popular as LPs? because they are easily as good of guitars. in fact there are some features that ES 335s have that I prefer over LPs. thanks for the information now I can see why that is the case.
$$$$$$
It's about the Benjamin's.
@@ronaldsweet3484 no, it’s about the solid body and rarity. The les Paul bursts are solid body which lends itself to rock, the genre that made the guitar famous. Back in the 1960’s when jazz and other genres where more popular, the semi-hollow where more popular. But rock made solid body guitars more desirable.
And the les Paul bursts are rare. Vintage gold tops are similar priced than 335, because there was a lot made. Not the same with the burst, only made for a few years.
one name... jimmy page
I just prefer solid body. It feels different to me. I know with equal action and string gauge it shouldn't be much different, in theory. But eh, I'm just a les paul guy.. 🤷♂️
Les Paul looks cooler
Awwwww, I was waiting for the endoscope!
Yeah, I know. I always like it when he breaks it out
@@allisonholmesmusic97 Almost as good as a colonoscope.
...in brief the best guitar I have ever owned is a 335 from 2012 dot neck style. It came with tapable p90 pickups that makes life easier for me, I swear it sounds like a Fender Tele in the coil tap mode and a meaty les paul in full p90 mode. Custom shop Memphis ...aged aswell!
I don’t know Trogly I actually want a 335 with block inlays
That would look nice
I'll second that! Dot inlays on Gibsons are boring. 👎
Gimme some small blocks, like on the mid 60's models! 😎
I always thought the Epiphone Dot was the only one to get dots. (Had a Dot Studio for a while… just wasn’t my style, sold it.)
Yeah, I didn’t understand why he said we would want dots instead of block inlays. Can someone explain that one? This year I want to buy a 335 and that statement actually made me curious.
Because he's a silly goose. 😜
One way to know which factory made your 335 is to check the (usually Orange, usually oval) label inside the f hole. Nashville, Memphis, Kalamazoo, always there. Mine says Kalamazoo. Easy!
a little Blind Melon demo. I remember learning that song from a guitar world magazine tab in the mid 90s. Blast from the past
If you run across a Memphis ES-345 with the two output jacks on the rim (like the white Epi Lucille you reviewed has) please show it off. I have one from 2011 that I enjoy. I think they were made from 2002 to 2012. I guess because of the different wiring, the do not have a "historic" year like '59 or '64 associated with them. Just a reissue...sort of.
i'm Kalamazoo born & bread, couldn't be more proud of being part of the Gibson related history
I read "corn and bread"
I do think moving the semi hollows and hollow bodies to Nashville is a good financial decision and it's nice to know the guitars are all made under the same roof now.
Wait a minute. At 2:42 we see where Eddie VH got the idea of putting tape on the Strat. He said in interviews that he went to the factory where they made the guitar bodies and he bought one out of a seconds bin that had a big knot on it so he got it for cheap, BUT he would have seen them making those bodies like in this video where I gave the timestamp. THAT is exactly where he got the idea, it makes perfect sense. Then he said in interviews a few years ago 'oh I don't remember where I got the idea, I just did it for no particular reason". Yeah sure you did Eddie. I'm addressing him wherever he is right now, up or down, I KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THAT IDEA, EDDIE, SO CUT IT!
57 classics make great neck pickups . Bridge, eh, depends on the guitar but sometimes sounds stellar. Sometimes a bit pokey.
Am I right in thinking this finish is referred to as Tobacco Sunburst? Regardless, it is a beautiful example of a 335.
Yes I think your Correct Sir ,Ive got a LP standard the same Colour
I bought a red dot pro Epiphone a few years back. I'm almost certain it was new but can't recall the year. That's why I keep tags and any other goodies that come with each guitar I buy. I can see where the serial dating can be a little confusing though.
Hello Trog. Thanks for this video. I have an ebony 335 only three numbers away from your guitar 3723 with a red label that says it was made in Memphis. I looked up the serial number on a couple of the free sites and they say made in Nashville. So much for the free sites..
If you can you should compare the three Vs of Mustaine. When Kramer releases his pointed signature compare it to the Jackson king v and the Dean Vengeance V. It would be interesting to see the differences.
why dot inlays rather than block? Needs explanation....
I have a R9 made in 2000. It references the Gibson Custom, Art & Historic Division. Which plant would have been the manufacturer?
No to dots on 335s et al. Always blocks, always. Personally I don't think Gibson's should every have dots unless its a non-reverse firebird.
Hi Austin, what about a Heritage guitar review? I really enjoy what you do and the info You share... Thanks much.
Thanks for another very informative episode in the Gibson saga! I am also a proud Michigander, and am lucky to own a Kalamazoo Epiphone Granada - serial number 167528. Do you know where I can find the correct date of this fine guitar. I believe it to be either 1967 or 1968. Thanks in advance, and keep on informing us Gibson lovers.
Tiger maple on the side… wonder if it was just a small patch of that on that piece of wood and they couldn’t use it for a top?
I was thinking the same thing. They put that piece of wood to good use👍🏻
Right now, you can buy a brand new figured 335, with block inlays for the same price as a used 'Dot' plain-top, which is crazy (& regardless what Austin says, I much prefer block inlays, coz' my 'holy grail' guitar is an early 60's 335, with PAF's & block inlays, in Cherry - the Clapton, Albert Hall guitar). I've got a '90 Dot (also Cherry) & it's a fantastic guitar. I wasn't really looking to get another guitar but with the way the value is shooting up, I reckon I'd be mental not to buy one of the new ones. Now I just need to convince my better half lol.
You can find used block figured « new »ones even cheaper, for the price of a new LP std.
Great analyzes ^ Q : Are you saying these pickups are stronger/louder than the T-type Calibrated ?
Hi
I never understood why Gibson put those skinny, shredder necks on the 335...since they are mostly used for jazz and blues...you would think they would have a beefier neck than they do...I find that interesting!!!
Trogly, at 9.20 mins you said “335s are best with dots not the fancy block in lays.” Why is this? Is this more for historical or for playability ?
I couldn't afford a Gibson 335 so in 1980, I bought a brand new Yamaha SA1000 for £240 (with a Yamaha shaped hard case) instead. It's a great guitar and I don't regret buying it instead of a Gibson 335. I've tried various Gibson 335s over the years and I still wouldn't trade in my SA1000 ...just saying...
That rim looks amazing!
I have 725. Awesome content.
trogly's jizzing himself over how much he's going to over inflate the selling price for this 335
Lol. Can't imagine it selling for too much though, with it being "player grade" and all. The sides is about all its got going for it, imho. 🤷🏻♂️
I was imagining Blind Melon tones from this guitar, and ironically you play No Rain!
Loved the blind melon no rain bit
What are you using for the overdrive segments?
Question, does anyone know how to get a brand new Custombucker 3 without going the reverb rout? Thanks!
Enjoyed the demo jams tonight. 👌
I've been looking for a 335 with a bit of a D shaped neck.
The 335 has a totally different tonal quality from the LesPaul. In overdrive they shine.
Why exactly is it better to have dots as opposed to inlays on a 335?
Heritage - the original 335s had dots so people want it to be like the first iterations
Hi Mr trogly’s guitar, can you review sire guitar larry carlton H7 or S7.thanks
Beautiful guitar!
Thanks for the history, it fills in holes I had.
Nice camera work at the 21:10 mark.
Hi I never reply to you but big fan and I Always check out the show for clear knowledge... I have a Gibson 1996 all American pro 2dc. Someone destroyed in my eyes. I went to guitar center for repair,no called Gibson for repair no, I need someone to route out and install Gibson mini's can you please help me? Troy from Alantic City 🌆
Luv your reviews…!
Not to dispute you but…I have an ‘85 Dot Neck w/ a Kalamazoo label?
Review Heritage guitars. I wonder why you never did.
Love the show! I gotta say you are a tad “simpy” on the flame maple though lol.
Hey trogly watched on here last night video called the Steve how guitar collection and I thought the les Paul he played was the one you owned can you confirm this sighting or is it a different les Paul ?
Nice Blind Melon - No Rain intro there
The Luthiers built better guitars after Gibson left, IMO, I have a 555 with Mr. Rendal Wall Humbuckers.
Nice take on Blind Melon.
All hail Adam D the man of the day
Woohoo!! Adam D!!!
Most Certainly, a Big Shout-Out for Adam
I been thinking about a 1962 Byrdland Natural just not sure about the 23 1/2 inch scale length. I have a copy but the real thing would be better I'm sure. Have you ever reviewed one?
If you can get a real 62 for a good price....pick it up.
I have exactly the same one (serial ....618). Bought it new in 2009, if I remember correctly. Curious to know what you paid for it used?
I bought my DOT in cherry red in 2008 for £1,800 👍
@@mhgregor ya, that's very close to what I paid at the time too. Was more interested to know the value now in 2023
Trogly in da house
Dude, come April 1st you got to play some Smoke on the Water.
If there were any guitar that was worth a re-fret.... then someone can have a nice player for decades more..
I hate you didn’t use the endoscope!!!!😩😩😩🥺
I want this guitar so bad 😭😭
I dunno. Those frets look pretty rough to me. The big divots sure as heck would affect the way I play. Worn frets do not put me off though. I just factor in the cost of a stainless jumbo refret when i haggle. I am really looking forward to wearing out the frets on two of my guitars, so i can get them jumbo stainless'd, especially the vintage '58 Gibson Explorer that I have EMGs in......
just kidding about the Explorer. I don't have one. I would change the pups to whatever the hell i like though -- if it is a keeper I play all the time. i do not care what the internet thinks about it. Creme Dimarzio Super Distortion I guess. I'd actually settle for a Destroyer like Pete Thorn picked up last year. Nice, but also getting pricey these days.
As far as fret wear - The first 5 frets are the money frets; anything up further is for showing off. Most hit songs are written/played using "cowboy chords". How many AC/DC tunes are played above the 5th fret?
Fret wear on a gigging guitar is always heaviest on the first 5. Had my LP refretted years ago for that reason. My first Frankenstrat is beat in those frets; I gigged it for years; the finish is dogged out but I love it that way.
I've found Heritage 535s actually sound more like a vintage Gibson 335 than the actual Gibsons.
All 335’s are laminated but laminated sandwich norlin Les pauls & 3 bolt cbs strats are the pits. Even the venerable Es 175 is laminated. Lamentable.
Norlin Les Pauls are the pits? My Goldtop Deluxe is heavy but, I love it.
Sides are nice
Always been a Les Paul, Explorer guy. Had a Melody Maker in high school. Solid body guitars for me.
When are you going to buy a Gibson Byrdland?
New ones are CS $$$$.