That Pedal Show - Strymon Mobius vs Classic Modulation Effects Pedals
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In this episode we are responding to many, many requests to put the Strymon Mobius ‘against’ a selection of classic single-sound pedals. We cover flanger, phaser, rotary speaker, Univibe-type vibe and chorus as the main modulation food groups, before having a brief excursion through the Mobius’s.additional modes. This thing has sooooo many options we’re barely scratching the surface, yet scratch it we will.
A quick thanks to Katherine, Mick’s wife, who was on filming duties today because Simon was off having a baby. Or at least Simon’s wife was having a baby - CONGRATULATIONS GUYS!
Also, Mick wrongly states that Candy Apple Red was around from the late 1950s. NO! It was introduced in 1963. Slap that wrist.
Right, let’s get in to this…
Pedals in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three2One
bit.ly/2fW8XJP
• Strymon Mobius
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2rmZgHS
USA: imp.i114863.net/L6g9j
Australia: bit.ly/2rn724e
• Vintage Electro-Harmonix Electric Mistress
No longer available new
• Vintage MXR Phase 100
No longer available new
• Boss CE-2w Waza Craft Chorus
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2fkq9tv
USA: bit.ly/30YiTN0
• Sweet Sound Mojo Vibe
www.sweetsound.com/mojovibe.htm
• DLS Effects Rotospin
www.dlseffects.com/
• Chase Bliss Audio Brothers
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2pdrGGi
Australia: bit.ly/2oxRdJ3
• Dunlop EP103 Echoplex
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2cQsuNc
USA: bit.ly/3G6EUbJ
• MXR M300 Reverb
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2hLvESX
USA: bit.ly/3yo9D1c
• The GigRig G2: bit.ly/2h8xSay
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Amps in this episde:
• Wampler Bravado & 1 x 12 cabinet (Celestion G12M-65 Creamback
• 1961 Vox AC30 with 2 x 12-inch Celestion Alnico Blue speakers
Interesting bits and go-to sections…
- Intro & background: 00:00
- What does Mobius mean? 1:20
- What are we doing today? 3:40
- Electro-Harmonix Electric Mistress Flanger/Filter Matrix: 4:35
- What is that white guitar Mick? 5:15
- Mobius Flanger: 7:40 (playing at 8:35)
- EHX and Mobius flangers with overdrive: 11:38
- A 1960 Strat, you say? 12:17
- Candy Apple Red interlude: 15:20 (Introduced in 1963, not 59 as Mick says!)
- Rubbish old pedals? 17:44
- MXR Phase 100: 18:30 (and again at 20:45)
- MXR Phase 100 and Mobius phasers compared: 23:08
- But what about the pre and post gain in G2? 28:00
- Both phasers with overdrive: 26:28
- DLS Roto Spin and Mobius: 28:25
- Mic distance on a rotary speaker? 33:20
- Sweet Sound Mojo Vibe: 36:20
- Mobius and Deja Vibe compared: 39:45
- Headroom control on the Mobius vibe setting: 41:20
- Boss CE-2w Waza Craft Chorus: 42:45
- Mobius Chorus sounds and comparison with CE-2w: 44:50
- Dry analogue through? 51:50
- Formant mode in the Mobius: 54:00
- Tremolo in the Mobius: 55:30
- Destroyer in the Mobius: 57:30
Guitars in this episode
• Fender Custom Shop ’63 Telecaster - watch Dan’s video at bit.ly/2dlZJ6K
Collings 360LT with Lollar Gold Foil pickups
1960 Fender Stratocaster
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I, for one, am glad your videos are on the lengthy side, because you go into more depth with each pedal with plenty of tones and playing examples on your respective Strats, Teles, PRS and other guitars. Job well done.
have you ever thought about doing a series recreating famous pedal boards from history, like what jimi had on the floor at Woodstock or what Gilmour used at Knebworth.
David Mackenzie awesome idea!
David Mackenzie ....that's a great idea!!
Murry In Arizona one could do it with reissues and the like.
now thats an spiffing idea...worth it just for the chain order
Check out "Sounds like..." by the Andertons channel
Never really been a huge fan of the "flanger" effect, but every time Dan's Electric Mistress comes out, my heart simply can't take it!
+Clay McCown Such a cool noise... :0)
So much better ‘in the room’ with it, too … 💚⚡️
Walrus Audios Polychrome Flanger Is absolutely fantastic as well. Check that one out if you can get your hands on one
omg. That Electric Misstress is pure magic.
Must say, I bought a möbius a few months back after your great demos of it and have never been sorry. I even find the vibe exceptional even though others have said it wasn't great. The flexibility of it sold it for me, so it fits my needs. Would still love a wazza chorus though even though I don't need it lol...thanks guys. Keep up the good work!
"Who knows what the Mobius strip is. Probably has significance beyond this."
"I daresay."
😁
You know life is falling into place when you buy a strymon möbius the week previous, and now Mick and Dan do an entire show dedicated to it.
+Dennis Yacono Yeah!
Love the show! I'm always looking forward to watch the new That Pedal Show! I greatly appreciate the wealth of knowledge shared. I've learned so much invaluable information from you guys. Keep up the good work and keep 'em coming! Also, more Earth Quaker Devices would be kewl!
Hey Dan and Mick keep doing what you do. You are always entertaining and usually informative ; ). I appreciate you how you break down how things work and what is doing what. You've got me having fun playing again and, to my wife's displeasure, buying more pedals.Interesting.
You guys are the best. this was a decision I was having to make and this solved it! Thanks fellas!
LOL. Just purchased a Mobius yesterday and this pops up in the feed today. Perfect primer for the new pedal!
The face of Mick reading the manual just made my day :)
Meta territory: seeing if a digital algorithm can accurately replicate a wildly popular optical analog circuit that completely failed to accurately replicate a mechanical rotary speaker.
+David Dyte Yeah baby. It's a downward spiral of expectations! ;0) If that's not what modernity is about, then what is?!
The true meta is that the rotary speaker was an attempt to replicate the space and depth of a pipe organ by way of the Doppler effect, which took on a life of its own upon missing that mark.
Now if only my poor imitation of blues guitar playing could take on a life of its own.
Mind blown .... Job done
Contrary to popular belief, the uni-vibe was actually an attempt to replicate the natural modulation caused by the fluctuating altitude and motion of the earth's ionosphere, heard on powerful middle-wave Russian propaganda radio broadcasts reaching Japan in the 60s. From the original designer himself: czcams.com/video/o1WGjQtU3CU/video.html
If you grew up in Los Angeles, you know exactly what a Mobius strip is. They have a moving example of it at the museum of Science and Industry Los Angeles (now California Science Center)... you could push a button and a red arrow would "drive" along this strip.. and come back.. and you could see that it traveled on "both sides." - we loved it. Now I know it was named after a german.
Great idea for a show. Just got one for my g2 board to be assembled. Looking forward to explore it. Will watch the show later. Cheers and keep up the great work
Cool feature on the Mobius is being able to use the tap tempo to set the rate of the any of the modulation machines. Great for fast/slow rotary but also awesome to have for tremolo/vibe/phaser etc instead of turning knobs...
I think it's fair to conclude that these sounds are somewhere in there, but it'll make you work for it. It'll reward you for your efforts. Tweakers delight!
As always!
Fridays, "Oh I'll just get started on that job that needs doing...."
"'That Pedal Show just uploaded a video'"
Well, that's me for the next hour :)))
You guys need to do a rack episode. I started playing in the 90s after racks were gone. It'd be cool to see them side by side with modern and vintage pedals!
Just out of curiosity not trying to start anything at all, but do you feel like we will look back at kempers, axefx, and such with slightly negative feelings the same way people look back at racks of the 80s with "disgust" for lack of a better term?
Thats a tough question. I think the big difference with racks and stuff is they were going for a "modern" (80s) sound, whereas Kempers and stuff are going for a "classic" sound. So as digital technology gets better, people may look back at them like we do at bad special effects in old movies. That is if anyone is still playing guitar thirty years from now...
keith faust I second this! Especially since Dan has used rack systems in the past
oooo, yes and make sure it includes a TC 2290!
Ya it's not that rack show . I went through several rack units 25 years ago. Most of that stuff back then did 128 things and none as good as a single pedal
Definition of Möbius strip. : a one-sided surface that is constructed from a rectangle by holding one end fixed, rotating the opposite end through 180 degrees, and joining it to the first end.
is a surface with only one side (when embedded in three-dimensional Euclidean space) and only one boundary.
one side and one edge.
Alexander Webb M. C. Escher's drawings of a möbius strip is a thing of beauty
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Möbius_strip
So in other words, a tube.
Wow, that CE-2W sounds incredible!
Omg omg omg omg omg, was so hoping this week's episode would be this!! sooo psyched!!!!
I've literally been asking myself this question for weeks! Thanks guys!!!
Fell in Love with the Rotoscoped Spin here ... great video thanks guys!
Over an hour or TPS goodness??
Thank you so much for your consistency and excellence Mick & Dan!
+DarksignHunter Thanks for watching - glad you're enjoying it!
This would be interesting to revisit with some newer multi mod pedals. Multi mod shootout. Mobius, Terraform, Synesthesia etc.
More than 1 hour of That Pedal Show. Yes!
Hey guys, congrats for the show, it's always really interesting, informative and really inspiring and I truly believe that yours is by far one of the best channels here on CZcams! I would also like to suggest a topic you can talk about in the next shows: how can I get a good sound going out from my pedalboard straight into the PA without using an amp?
Keep it up like this guys, and cheers from Italy!
finally guys thank you for getting back to what we love
Wow! The Mobius certainly gets close and well worth it.
Kudos for attempting to tackle the Möbius! I use mine with an expression pedal as my wah. Once you have that hooked up the "on the fly" adjustments to trem speeds etc. are a game changer. Fair warning: the strymon tutorial to set up the wah is confusing but so worth it in the end.
For me it goes like this: portability and midi/routing tweakery = mobius, in all other cases I aim for individual pedals (plus a switcher for comfort). Where mobius is/was a great package, it always felt like a chore to decide what effects I should use before starting a tune, because I just love having the freedom to go for a leslie intead of a phase, trem instead of a vibe or whatever at a whim. Midi and all the endless parameters give me rash so I've allowed myself to be content with the old-school approach and its limitations.
Great video again, guys!
I’m with you 100%. I’ve had all the processors and multi effect pedals over the last 30 years. I still use a Kemper for TV shows, long tours with a consistent set list, and sessions where I need a very wide variety of quick build rigs. But for vibe, ease of use, and tone, it’s old school pedals all the way for me.
I've used the Mobius for three years and its still the heart of my pedalboard. Many people love it, some people hate it but I could care less. It's never coming off my board...ever.
If you could care less, then maybe you should care less;)
@@dolomick good one! that’s why you look so tired.... you stayed up all night thinking of that reply, didn’t ya...
I used to have the 'stryfecta' - Bigsky, Timeline, and Mobius. To my surprise it's the Mobius that stood the test of time and has yet to be replaced. I still have the timeline, but after getting the Volante and with an LVX on the way, I think its days are numbered. I sold my CE-2W because it was really indistinguishable from the Mobius.
couldn't care less*
I've been waiting for you guys to walk through the Mobius, thank you.
Yeah, Fair assessment i'd say, but they seemed to struggle a little, which as a complete technophobe, a can appreciate. I'm a big strymon user, but their smaller pedals only.. for now.
Nef, I totally missed that. But that's an issue my end, not yours ha. Take it easy Sir.
And you have to lap it twice to get back where you started.
thank you for the kick ass reviews and riffs, once again! :D
+Nick Pap Cheers Nick!
Great videoguys! I only knew of your show 1 month ago and i'm already a fan! Great... no, awesome job! :-)
Had the Möbius for a long time and it slowly replaced my flanger, phaser and other pedals. Head to head they were sometimes indistinguishable. Now went back to individuals pedals because you know... guitarists need change :)
+TheSterlingSound We know the feeling! ;0)
Jeffrey Attakorah the corona chorus is itself replicating other chorus pedals... not sure
i just bought it,I already know i will probbly follow your same path
I know that Strymon products are great, several of my friends and players I respect swear by their Mobius and Timeline, etc. units.... but is it just me, or in some of these cases in this video, do the pedals that are being compared to the settings in the Mobius just SOUND BETTER than the Mobius does? More clarity, etc
don't have anything revert to so I guess I just suffer along with the Mobius
The "S" in the printed word MOBIUS on the front of the pedal is, in fact, a Mobius Strip... : )
Lol too funny!
Yes, with the faint background part factored in, the S becomes a depiction of a mobius strip. Nice little gummicky touch. ☺️
Do an episode on Bitcrushers and Lo-fi effects!
It's just far enough away from your comfort zone to warrant a fun episode!
+Jay Cobie Sounds great!
That Pedal Show I second that. Ambient guitar (whilst not a unified style) is definitely a distinct playing style and approach these days. So any videos that explore textural sounds would be great. I have in the back of my mind that there was an early 2000s gritty British crime show that had ambient, bit crushed guitar in its soundtrack. Can't remember the name of the show but it had really cool music.
Great opportunity to try that Truly Beautiful Disaster again, or another Devi Ever pedal!
I can't remember the name of the show but the music was Portishead..
oh my gawd this was exactly the video I needed thanks guys
Beer, crisps and that pedal show perfect
He said Jerry Garcia and John Frusciante in the same sentence. Oh, and ice cream. And strats! Like I needed anymore reasons to love this show! 😁
This is hilarious, considering our conversation yesterday Mick - I probably should have watched this before!
When I hear that Electric Mistress I hear The Police "Walking on the Moon".
+rcoveyduc Yeah baby!
Great song! Check out the instrumental version on CZcams
A Barberpole Phaser is an effect with two phasers linked in a way to create the auditory illusion that the phaser is always moving "up" or "down" instead of the back and forth Up/Down rhythm created by a normal phaser. The Line 6 FM4 does this as well. Once I found that sound I became hooked. I've really should pick up a small standalone unit that does this effect, hopefully at very slow speeds, so that I can stop carrying around the huge and heavy FM4. Great show, as always!
EDIT: I did a little fresh goggling on phasing gear and apparently the Boss PH-3 has rise and fall barber pole phasing too. I'll have to check it out.
+notbadfilms Thank you! I didn't know that (Mick here). Thanks for watching!
Thank YOU for making these great videos and taking the time to respond to my comment.
It's plenty of time after the fact but Mr. Black makes a barber pole flanger that's awesome. I know you said phaser but just giving ideas
An episode on the MU-tron and other envelope filters would be amazing! cheers guys!
Great. I was waiting for long time for this video.
Guys - upload some of your live concerts you guys perform with groups! Want to see how your personal pedal boards work in a live settings. That would be cool to see!
The thing you missed about the Destroyer setting is setting it up to sound like an old gramophone kind of thing. I use it for the intro to "Folsom Prison Blues" during shows (and then kick it off once the singing comes it)
It also almost perfectly replicates the intro to "Wish you Were Here"
Anyway, as you said, the Mobius is the perfect "I need a whole bunch of mod effects once each during a show" pedal. That's exactly why I own one. I have 4 overdrives, 2 fuzzes, 2 compressors, plus a few other fun things (Pog, ETC) on a board about the size of the one you guys use on the show. Mobius allows me to do Tom Sawyer and Purple Rain and use beautiful trem and leslie sounds during the set without making room for 7 different modulation pedals.
I, too, like having knobs to fiddle with, but as a guy who's never owned the 70s pedal they're trying to replicate, I find the sounds in the Mobius to be really inspiring, and it allows me to get all the mod sounds I need for gigs, while keeping room for a whole bunch of analog gain stages, treble boosts, wahs, and all that other fun stuff on the board.
huge props to dan @ 30:07 for dropping such a deep cut spinal tap reference. caught me totally off-guard lol!
I have been waiting for this!
happy Mobius owner, but learned something new here, thank you, great show
By the way, congrats on the Keeley D and M boost/overdrive looks awesome and you must be so thrilled!
39:11 - Instant Hendrix again :-) Great show guys
Great and informative show as ever boys! As far as modulation pedals go I have the EHX Small Clone and a Vintage 80s Ibanez FL9 to play with. I ordered the EHX Bad Stone Phaser and an EHX Electric Mistress XO and the package should arrive on Monday along with a Whammy DT and the EHX Freeze... I thought I would never say this but Monday can't get here fast enough! Thank you for an inspiring video I'll be watching you next time!
Cheers from Croatia!
The greatest channel ever! Best thing about Fridays.
Dan - How does the old Electric Mistress compare to a new version? Cheers guys.
Christ Dan - CE-1 and Mistress are my joint favourite effects also, AND my bloody 1974 Phase 90 packed up yesterday! Like a parallel universe, watching this episode!! (Kick in the balls indeed for vintage pedals blowing up!!)
sold my pedals to fund the mobius when it came out... had it for a month, sold it and bought individual pedals again. for me personally there is no comparison but i do agree that the chorus and vibe engines sounded really good
RE: the analog vs digital reproductions; it is amazing that the difference can be heard via a You Tube video played through laptop speakers.
The Strymon is just so tidy and spot on. However it falls victim to the short comings of digital. Specifically, the top end of the Fq spectrum is lacking detail. Yes it is squeaky clean, but the signal is scrubbed of an infinite amount of harmonic nuances.
I think the phasing and flanging effects are likely the best scenario to realize the effects of the digital curse as the effect(s) add and subtract Fq's in a sweeping manner.
Truth is the human ear can detect 1 to the (-42) in terms of amplitude and Fq steps.
We will need digital sample rates in the order of Ghz to even come close to capturing that sort of detail.
Thank you gents for you pedal show for once again for feeding this gear heads brain. Well done !!
+Scott Lurken You've very eloquently articulated what my ears are hearing Scott. Thanks for watching, and for sharing this.
Dan, That Electric Mistress is Special - I agree. ( however ) I can get Really Close with my Mooer E-Lady Flanger. I was also Impressed that the Mobius nailed the Boss Chorus Tone ( but got smoked vs. the MXR Phase 100 ). I will still take my Free The Tone Tri Avatar Chorus ) over anything previously or currently available. Id love to see the Mobius vs. Eventide H-9. Another Fantastic Episode. Thanks Guys for all you do, it is very much Appreciated.
+Michael Caz Cheers Michael. Mick here. I have a Tri-Avatar too and absolutely love it! We were expecting more people to be asking about Möbius vs H9, but I think it'd be negligible in terms of sound preference. All about the user interface. Cheers, and thanks for watching!
Refinished or not, that Strat is a thing of beauty!!
Great show guys!! Möbius is a great pedal but never held up against my individual pedals. Something was definitely lost in the EQ & headroom with the Möbius on .. also sounds the same here compared to the pedals.
My one lasted a day (or less) on my board.
Has any thought been given to bringing the Strymon people onboard for shows like this?
I know it takes a while to "get right" with really complex effects like the Mobius. Lots of rubbing and adjusting and learning to get it just as one likes. If you are reading the instructions off of a stack of stapled-together sheets you aren't taking the time (or don't have the time) to get things optimized, maybe? A person who works with/for Strymon might be able to tweek and adjust quickly and effectively.
If Daniel had owned at Mobius for 40 years, he might love it like he loves his Electric Mistress?
That's not really a good advertisement for the Strymon Mobius.
"Hey, it's great, you just need to get the design, production, and manufacturing team from Strymon to come and stay at your place for a couple weeks or so and then, after 40 years of your own tinkering, you'll never leave home without it! In fact, you'll never leave home because by then you'll be so old you won't be able to!"
Matt Gilbert that's not what he's saying at all. Involved units like the Mobius and H9 DO take time to get to know and there's nothing wrong with that. And they're still waaaayyy easier than the old rack stuff (Eventides, PCM, TC 2290 etc). Having someone from Strymon there to explain the design process and what goes behind the DSP programming would be awesome.
@@thesphericalguy9018
It kind of is what he's saying, mate. If you need to spend that much time and effort on this thing *and* bring in the people who designed it then, inevitably, it will subtract from the time spent playing.
Time is a finite resource.
Most adult players have work, family, and financial commitments. They are already time-poor. Unless they want to make this one thing (learning to use hi-tech digital "mega" effects their one, main hobby), it seems ill-advised.
@@mattgilbert7347 I agree there are better options for bedroom players who have limited time to spend tweaking, or people who prefer working with simpler stuff. But whether you like it or not 1 hour is not enough to cover a pro level multi fx unit with 12 distinct engines. Just because you don't want to put the time into units like these doesn't mean there's not a market for them. On the contrary they are extremely popular with pros and hobbyists alike.
Like I said, try working with proper rack gear and then tell me this is "complicated".
Out of the box, it should sound just like some classic pedals, and then have tweaking available for people who want to create some new sounds. It shouldn't need loads of time invested into it, to make it sound like your favourite Chorus / Flange / Phase sounds.
To be fair there is a lot more to the Mobius than shown here, and which is dependant on reading the (simple) manual. Understanding all the options/parameters for each machine is key. I use the silver flange mode with regen low or off and low rate and medium depth. Then you get the classic EHX ElecMistress sound - Andy Summers, David Gilmour etc. It does have true analogue dry through also. It would benefit if Strymon had given each machine a wet/dry volume mix, but this is only provided on the chorus machine. For this reason I run the mobius in a parallel loop with a mixing/eq capability (Psionic Audio Triad) to make wet signal "thinner/thicker and more or less subtle". The cost saving of a mobius over a board of "originals" is gigantic. Love the show guys. keep em coming. Tony
+Antony Faulkner We say most of this.
Not sure it has dry analogue through, however?
Antony Faulkner Only Strymon pedals with analog dry path:
Delays (not Deco) and Reverbs (not Flint's tremolo)
Todd Giencke
I stand corrected. Checked the web. Mobius = no analog dry path. Reason - mixing dry analogue with digitally modulated signal introduces unwanted, perceptible and uncontrollable comb filtering (flange like) artifacts.
However its vast array of "digital imitations" are very convincing and useable. They're not 100% perfect in direct A/B comparison. But close enough. My gripe with the Mobius ElecMistress model is it is overpowering when using for "subtle use" tone signatures like Andy Summers and David Gilmour.
Even when DEPTH set low.
It's like you have read into my mind. I was really hoping to see this video! As soon as I finish, I'll post my impressions as owner of a CE-2W, Hartman Flanger and Phase90 script (EVH)
Chorus and Vibe are the closest sounding to me...also Rotary is not bad! Flanger and Phaser were a bit too dark..
Mick's playing has really improved since the first pedal show.
+M DA Thank you! We were really reticent about playing anything much in the early days, and we've both loosened up a lot since then. Playing on video is really totally different from playing at home and in bands. Totally different head space. We're probably just a bit more comfortable with it these days. Thanks for watching!
Had a Mobius, best solution for an all in one modulation box. Sold it for single analog pedals modulations: can't beat those for headroom and 3d sounding, but that means a lot more space in pedal board. While recording the difference is way more subtle than by hearing it in the room. In the end the only downside of the Mobius is the impossibility to combine more than one modulation: chorus + flanger, vibrato + vibe etc. I'm still using single modulation pedals nowadays.
Excellent video as always :)
thank you for the feedback, that was exactly what I wanted to know this entire video
trinitykorg its called... 2 mobiuses :) or 2 h9's in my case
"IT'S A KICK IN THE BALLS!" - Daniel Steinhardt, 2017
John Waldock that had me cracking up as well.
best part of my week...Saturday morning with you guys. Thanks! If you come upon one try out a JAM Pedals Waterfall. My favorite modulation pedal ever.
+Daniel DiMartino will check one out. Cheers D :)
I A/B'd my mobius chorus with a JC-120's chorus recently in the studio and it is truly convincing.
Also A/B'd the mobius rotary with a leslie and was really hard to tell any difference. And I have a trained ear.
I own a Mobius, Timeline and a Bigsky. I love them, they're so musical and creatively invigorating.
+Arcanage we really liked the chorus and rotary/Leslie tones. Would love to take my vintage phasers and Flangers into Pete to see how close we can get
Can you guys do an episode on good clean amps to use with pedals? Like fender hot rod deluxe, victory v40, wampler bravado, morgan pr12 etc.
Oh I can't wait to watch this. I asked about this video months ago!
I had to laugh when you guys were talking about the Mistress. I'm the exact same way with my '80 Electric Mistress. I went for a lot of EMs and clones before finally going vintage, and realized I should've done that from the beginning! The Mobius sounds great, but I have to give the edge to the vintage. It's must more full and lush. The little pops and hisses in the vintage Mistress are just part of it's charm. It's kind of like movies with great practical effects vs. ones with CGI. The practical effects look fantastic and the CGI can sometimes look a little TOO real. To be fair, Strymon did a pretty damn good job here. It's just not a Mistress. It's a little too perfect and polished, and that's why I have to go with my true love, the vintage EM.
The ability to save presets is a must for me, so I obviously prefer the Möbius.
Flanger alone is damn close to the beloved Mistress... worth the price of admission (for me) along with any simple chorus. I think the Mobius is a no brainer.
Beautiful Collings!
Many conveyer belts are produced this way (Like a mobius strip) so that both sides of the strip are subjected to equal wear and tear and therefore last twice as long as a regular strip conveyer belt. Essentially, you just take a long strip of paper, twist one of the ends (once round), and then attach the ends of the strip together. There are some other neat things you can do with the Mobius strip. You can cut the Mobius strip in half (down the length) and this will create 2 strips interweaved with each other.
Ferdinand Möbius developed an awesome theory of continuous transformations of the complex plane, his Möbius transformations are a projection of a figure that lives on a sphere to a plane below it! (like a map of the Earth), some pretty weird and wonderful thigns can be drawn with those things. Also, one of the most wonderful results of complex analysis is that every wave is just a combination of a bunch of very simple things, so maybe its called that way because complex analysis promotes a unified view of wave phenomena, Möbius is one of its most famous practitioners, and modulation effects are at their heart different ways of messing up a wave. Maybe there is a direct conection between all of those things, but who knows, I just know for sure that it sounds awesome!
Great video as always. Can you guys do a video on outlaw guitar effect? I would like to hear your opinion on them. Thanks for the videos.
I've had the Mobius twice. It's a great sounding box but I keep going back to individual pedals. The "Destroyer" setting is simply amazing though.
btw, Your Siri has an accent! ;)
Strange surprise personal preference: the Möbius phaser wasn't doing it for me compared to the Phase 100, but with overdrive kicked on suddenly switched preferences to the darker, more mid-heavy sound of the Möbius. Reminded me of Frank Zappa, without the wah pedal, and I love that sound.
Great video! I have a Möbius, teamed with Midi it's an incredibly powerful unit. Although it may not be exactly dead on the originals the versatility is insane and the value to features is great. The big advantage with units like the G2, Boss ES-8 etc is it only takes up one loop but you get so many effects. I use the ES-8 and I could use up almost all my loops just having a chorus, tremolo, univibe, Leslie, flangers and phasers. I also use a H9 and I think it does a few things a little better and some not nearly as good. The two units compliment each other very well. Anyway great episode, you guys crack me up and I always learn something. Cheers!
+jmounce50 We wouldn't disagree with any of that James. Always a toss up of price, practicality and tone. Möbius makes a strong showing on those grounds. Cheers!
Thanks again Dan and Mick for a great episode. I appreciate that you didn't make any disparaging remarks against the Mobius, but man, it sure is obvious that you were rather underwhelmed. I was expecting the Mobius to nail those classic pedals, and then some, but my heart sank a little when I heard it. The sweet top-end from the Electric Mistress - totally absent on the Mobius. The deep, chewy sound of the Univibe clone, and the rich 'swoosh' of the Phase 100 - again, just not really there in the Mobius. That is NOT what I expected. I don't expect the Mobius to be identical to any given sample of an old pedal, but I would have expected it to have its own sweetness. But I felt it was noticeably absent in the Mobius as if a blanket was thrown over it. I was really rooting for the Mobius too.
My Phase 100 cuts a lot of bass. Anyone else's?
Big fan of the show, thanks guys!
I'm thinking of buying this pedal, and I was concerned about the lack of eq control, specifically on Chorus, but I just downloaded the manual, and on page 8 (under the Mode Section), there is a function that allows one to adjust the brightness of the effect.
Tone on Mobius Chorus-- but not in all effects, i.e. Flanger has no tone control.
Investing hours in learning and programming a monstrous unit like the Mobius (which keeps us from real playing), just to use it for let's say 20 seconds in 3 songs of a 25 song setlist, is a thing only we guitarists do ;-) Anyways, the more I watch of your videos the more I just want to plug directly into the amp and rock it out purely ;-))
I do have to wonder, if you use it that seldom, why even own it?
Something like the Mobius seems to me like it's intended for someone who uses different types of modulation a lot. If you only use it for a minute or two out of a gig, get a simple, inexpensive flanger or phaser.
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Try the mobius in stereo and then compare it to the mono versions. Use the panning features found on most engines and you will be blown away. Sounds great!
Thanks for the video guys. I hear the same thing I hear with Line 6 and Eventide effects. The old analog stompboxes impart different frequency boosts and cuts. I usually hear the biggest difference in the midrange. The digital effects from Mobius, HX and H9 add the effect but without the additional frequency changes the stomboxes impart so it's kind of apples to oranges in a sense. The character of the effects is usually pretty darn close in the digital form but the stomps add additional EQ'ing or that colors your tone, so it really comes down to whether you like what the stomp does to your original signal or not. If you want your flanger to boost your highs and make your overall sound brighter, then the Mistress is for you. If you want the same flanging effect but without the boosted highs then the Mobius is for you. All personal preference there.
If I had a pedal board the size of a truck bed, I would use them all . . .including the Mobius ! All sound fabulous.
again great video. Strymon pedals are awesome!
Great as always guys, thanks. So, best pedals for getting 2-5-1 turnarounds and Eb dim7 arpeggios under the fingers?
+James Dalziel Hahaha! Nice one Jamie, hope you're still enjoying beautiful Italy! An absolute pleasure hanging out with you. :0)
I'm not a big fan of Candy Apple Red. But I can't take my eyes off that Strat. It's gorgeous!!
+Matthew Krebs Sexy time! It's sooooo cool. Cheers!
Hello Dan and Mick! Can you do a show on speakers? I think a lot of my friends and many people watching this don't know the difference between 4, 8 and 16 ohm, what is a 2x12 and how does it sound compared to a 1x12 wide body? And also how phase works when you are using for example a 2x12 and a 4x10 cab. Thank you very much for all of the videos, have learned more from you guys than in school for the last year... Keep up the great work!
For folks that want a KILLER single enclosure sized mod pedal, the Matthews Effects Chemist releases on July 15 - octave, phaser, chorus/vibrato
Cheers! Was gonna get the Mobius after NAMM. Now back to my Deluxe Electric Mistress (used on Missing Persons 1st record), Boss Chorus CE2, Boss Vibe pedal and get a Behringer small stone knock off & H&K rotary. For trem, my vintage Tremadillo! I thought the Auto Swell was pretty cool on Mobius... As an engineer/mixer, I never had need for reverb since I have Lexicons, tc, Eventides, etc. The Big Sky blew me away and also Love the tape delay patch! Can you Please let me know about any other phase or leslie you recommend. Also, Love my Rat & like the expandora. I was thinking of Fuzz Face germanium or the Sabra Cadabra. My thing is Electric Ladyland overdrive (custom modded) and Echoes/Meddle overdrive. Also huge Jeff fan. I do appreciate your help!
Rest of my pedals on custom paduk West Coast Pedal Board are: Earthquake Rainbow, Orange Kongpressor, Deluxe Memory Man, Line 6 green delay, Lehla volume & A/B switcher,
Vox cry baby, Boss Octave, Boss white tuner, Boss RC-500 looper, Whammy II, and the great Space Station. The rotary on the HeadRusher pedalboard is Nice! Any idea what modeling?
Oh-amps, Supro 1965 Deluxe Royal Reverb, and small Marshall & Vox solid state.
Thank You!!!!!
Ira Cord
PS Also the Vox valve pedalboard with amp modeling, pedal, mods, verb, comp, etc.
I know it's been a while but what redoing the acoustic guitar with effects or using synth like pedals? Just merely suggesting....also, what happened to most of the amps?
you guys should do a show discussing your favorite pedals of all time!
There's the Desert Island pedal board show comes fairly close.
I think the mobs is a really really smart idea. Because probably all of us like modulation effects, especially as a song writing tool, but it's so often that I thought "Oh, a bit of Phaser would be really nice here" and than I just didn't have the right pedal on my board, because I don't want my board to be obnoxiously big. Even though I like modulation, I hardly ever use it and when I do, it doesn't have to perfectly accurate to that one sound that is on that one recording from 1973 or something like that. But when it's 90% accurate to that, that's even better. So the mobius is a really good way, to have high end modulation effects on your board, without them taking up a whole bunch of space and it also gives you the opportunity to have every single effect on there that you could probably need. So for me anyways a perfect solution to that problem!
So if I'm a guitarist who knows what a Möbius strip looks like, does that mean I have to start listening to prog?
Yes.
Also, if you don't know. :-D
What do you mean, start?
it seems like a very single sided response
although Escer thought it was more complex than that LOL
I'm highly disappointed that they didn't know what a Mobius Strip is. its actually a very well known mathematical object....
matan ken Don't get your topology in a twist! They're just pedalboard guys.
Dan, I think the empress echo system you guys saw at namm has a bit crush style effect built into it. Would love to see that on an episode since it blends delay with other effects. And you can run two settings at once!