IS VERY CLEAR, AS A FATHER HE DOESN'T WANT TO SEE HIS OWN SON ON THE GROUND BUT AT THE SAME TIME HE KNOWS THAT IS NECESSARY SOME ASS WHIP TO FLOYD TO RECOVER HIS HUMILITY AND RESPECT AND MOST OF ALL RECOVER HIS SELF RESPECT
And that is the best answer for Mayweather Sr. very clean and clear "He Doesn't wan't to see his son Knocked out" very brief but meaningful, and that is the reason why Paquiao mayweather match ain't going to happen guyz.. it's just simply as that..
When is this clip from? Was this even in the context of asking about the Pacquaio fight? It is a very brief clip and could easily be from when they fell out and Floyd Sr was giving other boxers tips on how to beat him.
@DDeCouto but from what I've read, hes also agreed to take one right after the fight. i cant see him getting away with using anything in this 14 day period.
That's terrible. It's ultimately is none of my business, but it is too bad that Sr. and Jr. don't get along. I had a bad relationship with my father and age 49, he died. I should have reconciled my differences with him. You never know when something is going happen and will be too late and then you are left for the rest of your life wanting to have that one last talk.
@JuanMiguel204 I'm glad you mentioned the straight left.Thats the exact shot thats going to beat floyd with!The straight left to the body is the number one shot to attack a self preservasion specialist who fights well off the ropes.Davey Hilton ko'd Benitez off the ropes with that shot.Hagler didnt throw it enough becasue he would have made it easier for him against leonard.if manny throws the shot in every round,he wins.
@834373 He claimed that he will take, according to Ariza. So? Where do you go that he cheated? He's going to take the test, what's Mayweather's response?
...even manage a solid victory over Lazcano and ended up having his faced bruised up. Judah was another fighter in his prime, rated #1 his only losses were by decision and a tko by a hall of famer. Judah was faster than Floyd and had more power, but he still got beaten. I have to give fight 2 to Floyd as well. Now there's fight 3. Cotto to Baldomir. Cotto was rated #5 which is good for Manny, but he had recently faced the worst loss of his career at the hands of Margarito, even Margarito...
@BonaDun Not that I know of. But I doubt it. I'm thinking he said this because before Oscar and his son meet in the ring, Sr. had trained Oscar for a few fights before that. So i'm guessing it was a pride thing to show that he is a better trainer then his Roger which Jr. is always saying. And that he had given Oscar enough knowledge to beat his son, maybe.
@aragornn23 Are you saying Floyd should've gone back down to 140 to fight Cotto who wasn't even ranked in the as a lightwelterweight? Or that he should've chosen an unrankned welterweight over the #1 welterweight in the division? That makes no sense. We're talking about when they were welterweights.
@blacktee31 Yes, judging by Floyd's moves, he should fight Baldomir coz he's an easy fight, slow as a turtle and has a belt..That's right..LOL Did I say Hatton and Dela Hoya were at the top of their career when Pac beat them? I said Pac beat Hatton at his best weight..I didn't even mention anything with repsect to Dela Hoya's condition coz its understandable that he was done when both Floyd and Pac fought him, but still he got a split with Floyd and quit against Manny..SEE THE DIFFERENCE NOW??
@aragornn23 Floyd prefers to wear Grant 10 oz gloves because there is more padding which prevents the impact from causing as much damage. 8 oz gloves would be an advantage to Manny because he prefers to wear smaller gloves, so he demands they wear 8 oz Reyes gloves, thinking Floyd wouldn't want to risk and injury and turn it down. Floyd says okay and agrees. That's 2 demands Manny has made to try to get Floyd to back out and Floyd still agreed. His final demand is a 10 million dollar fine for
Next we have Manny's fight against Clottey. I don't think anyone had ever even heard of Clottey, after Clotteys in house fight with Cotto Clottey lost the fight and is ranked #7 on welterweight rankings. Manny's second fight against a true welterweight is against a nobody who barley makes top 10. After that Manny moves on to face Margarito. Marg had recently been caught with loaded gloves and is no longer in top 10 after losing to Shane IIRC. So far what is better about his welterweight career?
@aragornn23 Yes that request was so much more abnormal than a 10 million dollar fine. Lol so abnormal that other fighters have requested the same thing in the past. Floyd didn't change his mind, I could've sworn I went over that already. FLOYD SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT ONCE NEGOTIATIONS CLOSED THAT HE WOULD TAKE THE CUT OFF OFF OF THE TABLE he gave Manny a last chance to accept the offer and he didn't, so when second negotations opened Manny decided he wanted it but he knew it was too late.
Remember that quality > quantity and the manner in which the fight is won. After Floyd beats Mosley, Mosley drops to #8 on welterweight rankings and is dropped from p4p lists all together. Manny now decides, REMEMBER THAT MANNY TURNED SHANE DOWN TWICE TO FIGHT COTTO, CLOTTEY, AND MAGARITO, that he'll fight Mosley. Mosley had just lost to Floyd and then draws to Mora and didn't performe well at all. The very next year Floyd fights the #2 welterweight named Victor Ortiz.
As a father, of course ,you dont want to see your son knock down and cry ok.....a father always proctects his son.cuz he knows this.....MY SON ARE GOING TO CRY OUT LOUD LIKE TAKING AWAY A LOLLIPOP FROM A CHILD.
@commonsensrules Then of coarse we have Clottey, who Cotto beat and Manny chose to fight right after he lost to Cotto. Why didn't Manny take Mosley's challenge that came before he fought Margarito? Why didn't he fight him after demolishing Margarito and losing to Floyd? I might understand that. Again all of the fighters that Floyd has beaten ended up on Manny's resume right after and I wouldn't be surprised to see him take a fight against Ortiz after if he loses to Floyd.
@aragornn23 Just to clear this up Manny moved up to welterweight AFTER Cotto had his 15 minutes of fame and Margarito had quit using his hand wraps. Floyd moved up to welterweight in 05 when neither fighter was anything special in the welterweight division.
@blacktee31 What Arum meant by that is that the case would get in the way simply because Floyd won't do business with them if they still continue on with the case..It's the right thing to do. If someone slanders you suit him, and the court found it has merits that's why Floyd was invited for deposition..Once again, you refute something that's the right thing to do for Pac's side. It won't happen in the first place if Floyd didn't started it..AGAIN...
Shane Mosley in comparison to Juan Manuel Marquez. Same deal so in the end it's 5 to 2 in favor of Floyd. Floyd has fought the better competition over his career as a welterweight.
@CrucisJon If you also investigated further and used your brain's logical and reasoning functions, it also stands to reason that his hands are so brittle because of the age that he started training, which was extremely young. Babies' hands are especially brittle and using them to hit a hard heavy bag or mitt with any amount of force can cause developmental problems later on in life, which looks to be happening to Floyd.
@azidr But the point is, this really shouldn't even be a hassle. There's nothing wrong with taking blood the day before, even if it's COMPLTELEY unecessary. Which it's not because peds can leave you're body within 24 hours. google "olympic style blood testing most effective program" to read an article explaining why urine testing isn't as good and why there shouldn't be a cut off date.
Had recently been tkoed by Mosley. I wonder who the best choice to fight next would've been...Oh yea! Shane Mosley because he was the #1 welterweight and to quote Jim Lampley "He's never looked better!" Lol but I'm straying from the point. Baldomir had 7 consecutive victories he had just beaten Gatti and Judah. He climb into the ring with Floyd weighing about 162 a middlweight weight lol and Floyd would've koed if his hands weren't injured. I have to give 3 to Floyd as well.
@localbizevolv well floyd said he said that because he knew everyone wanted to hear it..... just like bob arum said pacquiao agreed to the test because he knew everyone wanted to hear it lol
Let's compare fights DLH to Mitchell: De La Hoya had no ranking, he hadn't fought at 147 in almost 10 years, he didn't rehydrate on time, and he was passed his prime. Mitchell was in his prime, ranked #4 and fought at his natural weight, I have to give fight 1 to Mayweather. He fought the better competition all that was climbing in the ring with Manny was a name. Ricky Hatton to Zab Judah: Hatton wasn't even a welterweight, he hadn't been the same after losing to Mayweather, he couldn't...
@aragornn23 Answer a question for me since you're using the "he agreed now" excuse, what's different about giving blood now than 2 years ago? Does Manny not still feel weak after giving blood? I find it funny that they spend 2 years talking about superstitions and fear of needles now all of a sudden when their are pending court cases you've decided "hey I'll take that test now."
@aragornn23 I don't care about being undefeated. I didn't mention that 1 time. In my opinion fighting the #1 welterweight in the division is much better than moving up to 147 and fighting 2 guys who aren't even welterweights.
@thetruthis9 Why? Because different people react differently to the testing. And Manny doesn't feel 100% for the next 3 days. There's your question answered.
@blacktee31 I didn't understand this #4 and #1 that you said Floyd fought..This list were top guys of what division you say?? Manny came from a lower weight and he's testing the water moving up. Dela Hoya thinks he can beat Pac at Welter so he chose that weight not Pac..By the way, how many in that list did Floyd fought anyway? only 1!! Pac fought 3 in those list already, so what's your point?? You'll say "oh he beat them not at their best, blah,blah", well, did he fought Mosley at his best?
@BonaDun Hey look, those are 2 grown men. That's Sr. son but he is not a child anymore, so sometimes you bicker a fight. Just like you seen how Jr. threw Sr. out the gym on 24/7. It is what it is.
@aragornn23 So what you're saying is when Floyd fights a much bigger guy who is the #1 fighter with a title, he's not testing himself, but when Manny takes on the same guy at a lower weight and with no belt and a low rank he's testing himself? Manny should test himself and fight some younger fighters with higher rankings tool. It's a double standard when you say Manny is testing himself and Floyd is not, but Manny is fighting guys who aren't even ranked and coming off bad losses.
@aragornn23 Wrong they demanded that first. I already told you that demand isn't so abnormal as many other fighters have asked for more thorough testing, which is what happens with a super fight. Biggest fights in history Tyson/Holyfield. Tyson asked Holyfield to take a blood test to prove he's not on steroids, you don't hear about it because Holyfield didn't complain. De La Hoya/Mayweather DLH asks Floyd to take a blood test, Floyd doesn't say anything and accepts.
Both fought opponents that either weren't that impressive to begin with or they were slightly passed their prime. Now there's fight #5. Antonio Margarito and Ricky Hatton. Antonio was a true welterweight, but had recently been tkoed for the first time, which can be hard to bounce back from, and only fought one fighter in Garcia. Manny wins via tko. Floyd fights Ricky Hatton, an undefeated fighter, though not a true welter. He went through his last 10 oppenents with ease even the hall of famer
@aragornn23 10 million dollars for EVERY POUND so if he came in 5 pounds over the limit he would have to pay 50 mill. That's an outraeous price. They knew Floyd came in over the limit in his fight with Marquez so they placed a fine on weight hoping he would refuse because he wanted that advantage. Floyd still agreed. Btw the fine came before Floyd requested blood testing not the other way around go check the timeline if you don't believe me.
@aragornn23 Maybe you should point out where in the NSAC it says that fighters are required to fight in a ring size of Manny's choosing, and that a fighter must pay 10 million dollars for every pound overweight they are, or where it says that they must wear 8 oz gloves. Manny is a hypocrite for saying Floyd's not following commission rules when neither is he. The obvious fact is Floyd went to the commission first and they said it was okay if Manny agreed.
@blacktee31 The point is, he didn't agreed coz it was an abnormal request in the first place, then they analyzed things and agreed with cut-off date but Floyd changed his mind when Pac agreed and made it much closer, then Pac agreed later on and then Floyd made it all the way to the fight..You see, everytime Pac agrees Floyd comes up with another road block. And what do have now?? Pac agreed and that the test isn't an issue anymore but Floyd is now singing a different tune..What the fuck dude?!!
@aragornn23 I can admit that I'm wrong, but last time I checked #1>unranked. And he was a welterweight when he and Floyd fought, he was a welterweight long before Floyd was and was arleady in the top 5. Floyd's VERY FIRST FIGHT AT WELTERWEIGHT was against Mitchell, so how can you use him fighting mostly at 144 as an excuse? Really? Why Cotto, Margarito who weren't top 5 or Clottey who wasn't even ranked? You're just saying that because Manny fought them, that has nothing to do with 2005.
@blacktee31 That's not a silly question, that's reality..How can you say with all conviction that one is better than the other when they haven't even tested their abilities against each other?? I'm not even saying that Manny is better than Floyd, I just want to see them fight each other and for Floyd to WALK the TALK..Coz now, its ALL talk for Floyd..Both have holes with respect to the negotiations, but its very obvious that Floyd's camp has a lot more holes in them,
@aragornn23 Back to what I was saying before, Floyd fought and beat Zab the #1 welterweight while Manny fought outside of 147 for the second time in a row, if he were a jr welterweight that would be fine, but he moved passed that dision to 147 just to not even fight the guys at the top of it. Those top guys were 1.Floyd Mayweather 2. Shane Mosley 3.Antonio Margarito 4. Andre Berto 5. And Miguel Cotto. If we look Floyd fought #4 then #1 so Manny should be fighting Berto first and moving on...
@aragornn23 The competition that they face in each division. Like say I'm a heavyweight, okay? I get to the top spot in the p4p rankings by beating the top guys who are also heavy weights. So if some other heavy weight has the #1 p4p spot ,but mostly has fights against light heavys and middlweights, then what's the point of ranking? You would think a heavyweight champ could beat a middleweight no problem right, that goes without saying. But a guy your own size is much more trouble.
@aragornn23 Really, so what is the point of saying the court case will get in the way? He didn't mention the court case before did he? He was just saying Floyd didn't want the fight. Now he's saying it isn't his fault or Floyd's fault and that thing just got in the way, he then went on to say that Floyd's pending cases could get in the way.
@blacktee31 Heck, His only ticket now to be a true number 1 again is just to fight and beat Pacquiao, nothing else..But Pac is already there, perhaps Floyd is waiting for Pac to retire so he'll be number 1 again..How courageous that would be..Floyd might not be a coward and a duck when it comes to other fighters even though he didn't even fought Cotto, Marga and Clottey and might beat them but he DIDN'T and that's the point, but with Pacquiao, majority sees him as a coward and that is why..
@aragornn23 As long as Manny agreed, so there is no excuse. Manny had abnormal demands too, so by making demands that Floyd accepted it makes Manny seem like a hypocrite. It's an attempt to discourage Mayweather from a fight with Manny. They know Floyd has trouble on the ropes and needs room to move so they demand a smaller ring, hoping Floyd will say no like they did and make him look guilty. Floyd didn't do that he agreed to it . The know Floyd has had tons of hand injuries in the past...
@blacktee31 I understands that...He did contradicted himself..What I'm saying is some guys used Pac's difficulty in speaking in english as a way to make him guilty. When they see confusion or delay in his english talk they would say he can't talk straight coz he's lying when infact he's just having difficulty speaking english..He still does until now by the way...So again, he made up for it by agreeing now with all the test..But your boy Floyd still can't back up or make up with all his..
@aragornn23 Manny didn't move passed anything. Floyd and Manny both fight in the welterweight division and yet look at Manny fighting a lightweight again while Floyd was taking on a welterweight. Manny's biggest fighter was Magartio, who is a welterweight not a middleweight and is 5'11 so that's not skipping on the division to fight bigger guys that's picking the loser of the Mosley/Magarito fight. Roach said the same thing about Floyd then turned around and said they need more time to train.
@aragornn23 I don't know, why have fighters in the past done it? Floyd isn't the first person to ask for extra testing? People are ready to look right over that though. Manny has agreed now and Floyd hasn't answered yet, it still doesn't change the fact that they spen 2 years making excuses, and now arum is saying that it wasn't anybody's fault and things just fell apart. He's now trying to use Floyd's court case as an excuse that's why.
@aragornn23 Nope, 1. I wasn't talking about the court case 2. How can Floyd use a court case that Manny filed against him to duck? That makes no sense. That's like sayin if you challenge me to a game of 1 on 1 basketball and then I grab a bad and break your leg with it. Are you using a broken leg as an excuse not to play me? No. I'm trying to keep you from playing against me by placing an obstacle in between the two of us.
IS VERY CLEAR, AS A FATHER HE DOESN'T WANT TO SEE HIS OWN SON ON THE GROUND BUT AT THE SAME TIME HE KNOWS THAT IS NECESSARY SOME ASS WHIP TO FLOYD TO RECOVER HIS HUMILITY AND RESPECT AND MOST OF ALL RECOVER HIS SELF RESPECT
And that is the best answer for Mayweather Sr. very clean and clear "He Doesn't wan't to see his son Knocked out" very brief but meaningful, and that is the reason why Paquiao mayweather match ain't going to happen guyz.. it's just simply as that..
You were saying
those words were priceless
i remember when he said this. They where talking about the de la hoya remetch, not pacquiao
A lot of people would like to see that.
mark his words now... thumbs this up! let's see until may 5,2012.
didnt say much , But said it ALL!!!!!
where did this clip come from
lol i love this guy
Jesus, someone give him some wings and play Jeepers Creepers and everything would make sense.
nice thing 4 a father too say
Says alot when your own father wants you to get whooped
HE NEEDS IT...
dont hold ur breath,,,,,,,,
why don't you do it... you da papie
@BonaDun Well you know, fighters have tried to dish it out, I guess he just doesn't want to take it.
When is this clip from? Was this even in the context of asking about the Pacquaio fight? It is a very brief clip and could easily be from when they fell out and Floyd Sr was giving other boxers tips on how to beat him.
Context about the Pacman vs FMMJR or not, bottomline is, FMMSR wants his son ass kicked by someone. Because...... FMMJR needs it!
Fmkill edMe He won't think this anymore, they have a very rocky relationship.
WHEN BOXING BECAME A BUSINESS AND PEOPLE CALLED BEST BOXER THIS GUY UNFORTUNALY THIS SPORT LOST IT'S CREDIBILITY SADLY
Man floyd is goin 2 fight him wen he get out
I love Floyd Mayweather Sr. There's no lying in him.
This was a long time ago. I dont think it applies anymore.
like father like son...floyd v.s manny is impossible. what if, DIONESIA v.s FLOYD SR.
LOL good video!
@DDeCouto but from what I've read, hes also agreed to take one right after the fight. i cant see him getting away with using anything in this 14 day period.
hahahaha omg this is the definition of taking words out of context...great job hhahaha
just the god damn fight happen !!!!
That's terrible. It's ultimately is none of my business, but it is too bad that Sr. and Jr. don't get along. I had a bad relationship with my father and age 49, he died. I should have reconciled my differences with him. You never know when something is going happen and will be too late and then you are left for the rest of your life wanting to have that one last talk.
@aragornn23 I'll show you tomorrow afternoon when I have time. I need to get some sleep for now.
I didnt think the Predator was true
@JuanMiguel204 I'm glad you mentioned the straight left.Thats the exact shot thats going to beat floyd with!The straight left to the body is the number one shot to attack a self preservasion specialist who fights well off the ropes.Davey Hilton ko'd Benitez off the ropes with that shot.Hagler didnt throw it enough becasue he would have made it easier for him against leonard.if manny throws the shot in every round,he wins.
i think jail humbled him
edited in what manner
@834373 one question, what type of steroid does he use? Really, i'm tired of this reference.
LMAO!!!
@834373 He claimed that he will take, according to Ariza. So? Where do you go that he cheated? He's going to take the test, what's Mayweather's response?
@MrDencio84 you know Bob Arum, Pacquiaos promoter lied about agreeing to the blood test right?
...even manage a solid victory over Lazcano and ended up having his faced bruised up. Judah was another fighter in his prime, rated #1 his only losses were by decision and a tko by a hall of famer. Judah was faster than Floyd and had more power, but he still got beaten. I have to give fight 2 to Floyd as well.
Now there's fight 3. Cotto to Baldomir. Cotto was rated #5 which is good for Manny, but he had recently faced the worst loss of his career at the hands of Margarito, even Margarito...
I think this is taken out content
@BonaDun Not that I know of. But I doubt it. I'm thinking he said this because before Oscar and his son meet in the ring, Sr. had trained Oscar for a few fights before that. So i'm guessing it was a pride thing to show that he is a better trainer then his Roger which Jr. is always saying. And that he had given Oscar enough knowledge to beat his son, maybe.
@aragornn23 Are you saying Floyd should've gone back down to 140 to fight Cotto who wasn't even ranked in the as a lightwelterweight? Or that he should've chosen an unrankned welterweight over the #1 welterweight in the division? That makes no sense. We're talking about when they were welterweights.
lol that was actually funny
Church.
obviously not
@blacktee31 Yes, judging by Floyd's moves, he should fight Baldomir coz he's an easy fight, slow as a turtle and has a belt..That's right..LOL Did I say Hatton and Dela Hoya were at the top of their career when Pac beat them? I said Pac beat Hatton at his best weight..I didn't even mention anything with repsect to Dela Hoya's condition coz its understandable that he was done when both Floyd and Pac fought him, but still he got a split with Floyd and quit against Manny..SEE THE DIFFERENCE NOW??
So he thinks all of floyd's opponents had a chance? EXCEPT PACQUIAO? goddamn thats too funny lol
He thinks floyd needs to get humbled
@aragornn23 Floyd prefers to wear Grant 10 oz gloves because there is more padding which prevents the impact from causing as much damage. 8 oz gloves would be an advantage to Manny because he prefers to wear smaller gloves, so he demands they wear 8 oz Reyes gloves, thinking Floyd wouldn't want to risk and injury and turn it down. Floyd says okay and agrees. That's 2 demands Manny has made to try to get Floyd to back out and Floyd still agreed. His final demand is a 10 million dollar fine for
Cocaine is a hell of a drug!
Next we have Manny's fight against Clottey. I don't think anyone had ever even heard of Clottey, after Clotteys in house fight with Cotto Clottey lost the fight and is ranked #7 on welterweight rankings. Manny's second fight against a true welterweight is against a nobody who barley makes top 10. After that Manny moves on to face Margarito. Marg had recently been caught with loaded gloves and is no longer in top 10 after losing to Shane IIRC. So far what is better about his welterweight career?
@aragornn23 Yes that request was so much more abnormal than a 10 million dollar fine. Lol so abnormal that other fighters have requested the same thing in the past. Floyd didn't change his mind, I could've sworn I went over that already. FLOYD SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT ONCE NEGOTIATIONS CLOSED THAT HE WOULD TAKE THE CUT OFF OFF OF THE TABLE he gave Manny a last chance to accept the offer and he didn't, so when second negotations opened Manny decided he wanted it but he knew it was too late.
169metray naw floyd is just afraid of having a loss on his record
Remember that quality > quantity and the manner in which the fight is won. After Floyd beats Mosley, Mosley drops to #8 on welterweight rankings and is dropped from p4p lists all together. Manny now decides, REMEMBER THAT MANNY TURNED SHANE DOWN TWICE TO FIGHT COTTO, CLOTTEY, AND MAGARITO, that he'll fight Mosley. Mosley had just lost to Floyd and then draws to Mora and didn't performe well at all. The very next year Floyd fights the #2 welterweight named Victor Ortiz.
@MrDencio84 what does roger have to do with anything? if mayweather didnt say it then it dont matter
As a father, of course ,you dont want to see your son knock down and cry ok.....a father always proctects his son.cuz he knows this.....MY SON ARE GOING TO CRY OUT LOUD LIKE TAKING AWAY A LOLLIPOP FROM A CHILD.
@commonsensrules Then of coarse we have Clottey, who Cotto beat and Manny chose to fight right after he lost to Cotto. Why didn't Manny take Mosley's challenge that came before he fought Margarito? Why didn't he fight him after demolishing Margarito and losing to Floyd? I might understand that. Again all of the fighters that Floyd has beaten ended up on Manny's resume right after and I wouldn't be surprised to see him take a fight against Ortiz after if he loses to Floyd.
priceless
@aragornn23 Just to clear this up Manny moved up to welterweight AFTER Cotto had his 15 minutes of fame and Margarito had quit using his hand wraps. Floyd moved up to welterweight in 05 when neither fighter was anything special in the welterweight division.
@blacktee31 What Arum meant by that is that the case would get in the way simply because Floyd won't do business with them if they still continue on with the case..It's the right thing to do. If someone slanders you suit him, and the court found it has merits that's why Floyd was invited for deposition..Once again, you refute something that's the right thing to do for Pac's side. It won't happen in the first place if Floyd didn't started it..AGAIN...
Shane Mosley in comparison to Juan Manuel Marquez. Same deal so in the end it's 5 to 2 in favor of Floyd. Floyd has fought the better competition over his career as a welterweight.
i dont see how that correlates to fake editing? perhaps you could enlighten me
@CrucisJon If you also investigated further and used your brain's logical and reasoning functions, it also stands to reason that his hands are so brittle because of the age that he started training, which was extremely young. Babies' hands are especially brittle and using them to hit a hard heavy bag or mitt with any amount of force can cause developmental problems later on in life, which looks to be happening to Floyd.
@azidr But the point is, this really shouldn't even be a hassle. There's nothing wrong with taking blood the day before, even if it's COMPLTELEY unecessary. Which it's not because peds can leave you're body within 24 hours. google "olympic style blood testing most effective program" to read an article explaining why urine testing isn't as good and why there shouldn't be a cut off date.
@Patkillskenny We'd know if he would take the test.
Floyd acts the way he acts so that he can get into peoples heads
Had recently been tkoed by Mosley. I wonder who the best choice to fight next would've been...Oh yea! Shane Mosley because he was the #1 welterweight and to quote Jim Lampley "He's never looked better!" Lol but I'm straying from the point. Baldomir had 7 consecutive victories he had just beaten Gatti and Judah. He climb into the ring with Floyd weighing about 162 a middlweight weight lol and Floyd would've koed if his hands weren't injured. I have to give 3 to Floyd as well.
@localbizevolv well floyd said he said that because he knew everyone wanted to hear it..... just like bob arum said pacquiao agreed to the test because he knew everyone wanted to hear it lol
Let's compare fights
DLH to Mitchell:
De La Hoya had no ranking, he hadn't fought at 147 in almost 10 years, he didn't rehydrate on time, and he was passed his prime.
Mitchell was in his prime, ranked #4 and fought at his natural weight, I have to give fight 1 to Mayweather. He fought the better competition all that was climbing in the ring with Manny was a name.
Ricky Hatton to Zab Judah: Hatton wasn't even a welterweight, he hadn't been the same after losing to Mayweather, he couldn't...
@commonsensrules or maybe he's just pissing everyone off so he can get more money out of this fight. Either way...brilliance, not fear.
Love that guy!! And Floyd Sr. was a better fighter than his son.
@aragornn23 Answer a question for me since you're using the "he agreed now" excuse, what's different about giving blood now than 2 years ago? Does Manny not still feel weak after giving blood? I find it funny that they spend 2 years talking about superstitions and fear of needles now all of a sudden when their are pending court cases you've decided "hey I'll take that test now."
all because you think he lost dosent mean he did
@aragornn23 I don't care about being undefeated. I didn't mention that 1 time. In my opinion fighting the #1 welterweight in the division is much better than moving up to 147 and fighting 2 guys who aren't even welterweights.
@thetruthis9 Why? Because different people react differently to the testing. And Manny doesn't feel 100% for the next 3 days. There's your question answered.
@shantalminiloveyou No he's not afraid of Manny or anyone for that matter.
@blacktee31 I didn't understand this #4 and #1 that you said Floyd fought..This list were top guys of what division you say?? Manny came from a lower weight and he's testing the water moving up. Dela Hoya thinks he can beat Pac at Welter so he chose that weight not Pac..By the way, how many in that list did Floyd fought anyway? only 1!! Pac fought 3 in those list already, so what's your point?? You'll say "oh he beat them not at their best, blah,blah", well, did he fought Mosley at his best?
@BonaDun Hey look, those are 2 grown men. That's Sr. son but he is not a child anymore, so sometimes you bicker a fight. Just like you seen how Jr. threw Sr. out the gym on 24/7. It is what it is.
@aragornn23 So what you're saying is when Floyd fights a much bigger guy who is the #1 fighter with a title, he's not testing himself, but when Manny takes on the same guy at a lower weight and with no belt and a low rank he's testing himself? Manny should test himself and fight some younger fighters with higher rankings tool. It's a double standard when you say Manny is testing himself and Floyd is not, but Manny is fighting guys who aren't even ranked and coming off bad losses.
@aragornn23 Wrong they demanded that first. I already told you that demand isn't so abnormal as many other fighters have asked for more thorough testing, which is what happens with a super fight. Biggest fights in history Tyson/Holyfield. Tyson asked Holyfield to take a blood test to prove he's not on steroids, you don't hear about it because Holyfield didn't complain. De La Hoya/Mayweather DLH asks Floyd to take a blood test, Floyd doesn't say anything and accepts.
oh god is it this guy again..wasnt he the guy who cried on intervention? Rocky was it???
Yes he is the whole mayweather clan is
Both fought opponents that either weren't that impressive to begin with or they were slightly passed their prime. Now there's fight #5.
Antonio Margarito and Ricky Hatton. Antonio was a true welterweight, but had recently been tkoed for the first time, which can be hard to bounce back from, and only fought one fighter in Garcia. Manny wins via tko.
Floyd fights Ricky Hatton, an undefeated fighter, though not a true welter. He went through his last 10 oppenents with ease even the hall of famer
@aragornn23 10 million dollars for EVERY POUND so if he came in 5 pounds over the limit he would have to pay 50 mill. That's an outraeous price. They knew Floyd came in over the limit in his fight with Marquez so they placed a fine on weight hoping he would refuse because he wanted that advantage. Floyd still agreed. Btw the fine came before Floyd requested blood testing not the other way around go check the timeline if you don't believe me.
@aragornn23 Maybe you should point out where in the NSAC it says that fighters are required to fight in a ring size of Manny's choosing, and that a fighter must pay 10 million dollars for every pound overweight they are, or where it says that they must wear 8 oz gloves. Manny is a hypocrite for saying Floyd's not following commission rules when neither is he. The obvious fact is Floyd went to the commission first and they said it was okay if Manny agreed.
@aragornn23 Floyd was fighting the #4 guy in 2005 Cotto was still at 140, Margarito wasn't even top 10 and had came down from 154.
@blacktee31 The point is, he didn't agreed coz it was an abnormal request in the first place, then they analyzed things and agreed with cut-off date but Floyd changed his mind when Pac agreed and made it much closer, then Pac agreed later on and then Floyd made it all the way to the fight..You see, everytime Pac agrees Floyd comes up with another road block. And what do have now?? Pac agreed and that the test isn't an issue anymore but Floyd is now singing a different tune..What the fuck dude?!!
@aragornn23 I can admit that I'm wrong, but last time I checked #1>unranked. And he was a welterweight when he and Floyd fought, he was a welterweight long before Floyd was and was arleady in the top 5. Floyd's VERY FIRST FIGHT AT WELTERWEIGHT was against Mitchell, so how can you use him fighting mostly at 144 as an excuse? Really? Why Cotto, Margarito who weren't top 5 or Clottey who wasn't even ranked? You're just saying that because Manny fought them, that has nothing to do with 2005.
@blacktee31 That's not a silly question, that's reality..How can you say with all conviction that one is better than the other when they haven't even tested their abilities against each other?? I'm not even saying that Manny is better than Floyd, I just want to see them fight each other and for Floyd to WALK the TALK..Coz now, its ALL talk for Floyd..Both have holes with respect to the negotiations, but its very obvious that Floyd's camp has a lot more holes in them,
@aragornn23 Back to what I was saying before, Floyd fought and beat Zab the #1 welterweight while Manny fought outside of 147 for the second time in a row, if he were a jr welterweight that would be fine, but he moved passed that dision to 147 just to not even fight the guys at the top of it. Those top guys were
1.Floyd Mayweather
2. Shane Mosley
3.Antonio Margarito
4. Andre Berto
5. And Miguel Cotto.
If we look Floyd fought #4 then #1 so Manny should be fighting Berto first and moving on...
@aragornn23 The competition that they face in each division. Like say I'm a heavyweight, okay? I get to the top spot in the p4p rankings by beating the top guys who are also heavy weights. So if some other heavy weight has the #1 p4p spot ,but mostly has fights against light heavys and middlweights, then what's the point of ranking? You would think a heavyweight champ could beat a middleweight no problem right, that goes without saying. But a guy your own size is much more trouble.
@aragornn23 Really, so what is the point of saying the court case will get in the way? He didn't mention the court case before did he? He was just saying Floyd didn't want the fight. Now he's saying it isn't his fault or Floyd's fault and that thing just got in the way, he then went on to say that Floyd's pending cases could get in the way.
@blacktee31 Heck, His only ticket now to be a true number 1 again is just to fight and beat Pacquiao, nothing else..But Pac is already there, perhaps Floyd is waiting for Pac to retire so he'll be number 1 again..How courageous that would be..Floyd might not be a coward and a duck when it comes to other fighters even though he didn't even fought Cotto, Marga and Clottey and might beat them but he DIDN'T and that's the point, but with Pacquiao, majority sees him as a coward and that is why..
@aragornn23 As long as Manny agreed, so there is no excuse. Manny had abnormal demands too, so by making demands that Floyd accepted it makes Manny seem like a hypocrite. It's an attempt to discourage Mayweather from a fight with Manny. They know Floyd has trouble on the ropes and needs room to move so they demand a smaller ring, hoping Floyd will say no like they did and make him look guilty. Floyd didn't do that he agreed to it . The know Floyd has had tons of hand injuries in the past...
@blacktee31 I understands that...He did contradicted himself..What I'm saying is some guys used Pac's difficulty in speaking in english as a way to make him guilty. When they see confusion or delay in his english talk they would say he can't talk straight coz he's lying when infact he's just having difficulty speaking english..He still does until now by the way...So again, he made up for it by agreeing now with all the test..But your boy Floyd still can't back up or make up with all his..
@M4RiO214wuZuP Yeah we just saw the video. You don't have to repeat it.
Mayweather- De La Hoya 24/7
@aragornn23 Manny didn't move passed anything. Floyd and Manny both fight in the welterweight division and yet look at Manny fighting a lightweight again while Floyd was taking on a welterweight. Manny's biggest fighter was Magartio, who is a welterweight not a middleweight and is 5'11 so that's not skipping on the division to fight bigger guys that's picking the loser of the Mosley/Magarito fight. Roach said the same thing about Floyd then turned around and said they need more time to train.
@aragornn23 I don't know, why have fighters in the past done it? Floyd isn't the first person to ask for extra testing? People are ready to look right over that though. Manny has agreed now and Floyd hasn't answered yet, it still doesn't change the fact that they spen 2 years making excuses, and now arum is saying that it wasn't anybody's fault and things just fell apart. He's now trying to use Floyd's court case as an excuse that's why.
it aint fake it just out of context...
Wow how's your daddy going to say something like that about you.
@aragornn23 Nope, 1. I wasn't talking about the court case 2. How can Floyd use a court case that Manny filed against him to duck? That makes no sense. That's like sayin if you challenge me to a game of 1 on 1 basketball and then I grab a bad and break your leg with it. Are you using a broken leg as an excuse not to play me? No. I'm trying to keep you from playing against me by placing an obstacle in between the two of us.