Flaps, getting the most out of them, dangers of misusing them.
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2020
- Uses ,miss uses and benefits of flaps during many stages of flight.
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I can't believe how many camera angles you share. The quality of your videos are unmatched (not the image quality alone, but how didactic I found them) Thanks!
You make everyone yearn to fly safely and with passion...
I feel like I'm a better pilot after watching these amazing videos. Thank you and keep up the terrific work!
Simply amazing footage. Thanks so much for sharing it with us.
Absolutely superb channel. So many aspects I relate too. Working my way through your video list and loving it. Thanks very much
Well said and some beautiful country views. As well as beautiful aircraft!👍🏼👍🏼
Great videos, educational. Thank you for taking the time and passion.
Great clip as always!
Very nice video once again, thank you! Best regards from a fresh Cessna 182 partial owner 😊
Awesome video Larry!
Awesome video... thank you!✌🏼
As always great flying.
great footage!
Excellent, would live to fly to some of these places some time. It's beautiful.
Fantastic job! 👍
Thanks once again for the very informative lessons.
Love your channel here. Many thanks -
WOW......this guy is really talented!
Spezialist!!!!!!!Greatings from germany.Take care of you!
That's some impressive stick and rudder!!
thanks a lot, another good lesson!
I’m not gonna lie. Your flying makes me nervous 😬 but I’m enjoying the videos
True as it should if you are not yet trained in back country flying.. it's much more like the discipline of flying helicopters..the same principle but @ many more synchronized levels..training is worth it even if you never actualize use of it, makes us best pilots we can be! I haven't been able(financially)to follow through w/my PPL, BUT ALL THE EXPERIENCE IS WORTH IT NONETHELESS!! I currently fly RC bushplanes in Rough/Confined areas to a high degree of skill.. 3# 60" wingspan plane operates the exact same, but things happen quickly w/LE slats, 40° slotted Cessna style flaps @ MCAS 5Kts hanging off prop&dragging the wing.. @ MAX INDUCED DRAG BEFORE STALL& LEAST AMOUNT OF CONTROL .. riding that as a stabilized final approach. Absolutely MUST know your plane and what it will do .. not easy w/RC, when you aren't INSIDE THE PLANE! Wonderful reward as hard work training results in success. I feel backcountry training is excellent "insurance" should an emergency lead to a forced or off airport landing. Call me crazy but I practice stalls/spins, aborted takeoffs/climbouts/ power off landings w/my RC planes..comes in handy not to lose a plane! I fly RC off land, water, and skis.. almost exclusively taildragger, a fantastic endorsement worth the $ if you fly full scale🤠!
Does the 30 degree setting at takeoff let you get off the ground quicker? I know from watching other video's of your's you don't have a lot of runway to get off the ground. Very informative video, your video's would be great for someone who is just learning how to fly. Thanks for sharing these video's.
A beautiful demonstration by a truly skilled pilot.
Flap on take-off increases drag alot but as long as you have enough power to overcome that tben you will lift off at a lower speed from a shorter run and climb at an increased angle.
Because flap increases the max. Coefficient of lift.
Something that you really need to do from those airports and so well demonstrated.
Just remember this guy is extremely skilled and has practised for hours so please stick to standard procedures untill you have that level of skill.
Love watching your videos! Had some difficulty hearing what you were saying when you were talking about landing on the narrow strip with the high grass on either side.
182 on amphib floats : i learned that at the start of the takeoff run i used minimal flaps - once one step flaps 20-30 resulted in faster (shorter) takeoff on water. Had another pilot using stop watch. Hint: its amazing how short you can land with a slip without flaps.
Thank you.
I read somewhere for a rule of thumb, (on the ground) "deflect aileron 100%, lower flaps to match deflection". What do you think? It creates the same camber for lift? That sweet spot to give lift with least amount of drag for best performance takeoff? Or is it a way to find that 30 degrees setting with certainty?
Que grandes despegues y aterrizajes
Very nice video! Question: do you find that with all the rugged terrain you fly into, that you need to spend more time servicing wheel bearing and the steering dampener?
Not really, just every annual inspection
What about getting the most out of variable pitch prop on this plane
How come,with all the back country flying you do,you don’t use bigger tires? I enjoy your videos and helping us all stay safer with different views etc. Some beautiful flying you do. Stay safe!
tiny - that is an excellent suggestion. Some of those landings were real shocks on the gear and plane, and a little softening on the holes and bumps would sure help.
Душевно!Спасибо!
Amazing footage!
It would be fantastic if you could mention codes/names of the airports shown! Thanks! :)
Yes! I'd appreciate that as well!
I Love your Video's, You somehow do things better then others however I can bairly understand what you are saying most of the time....but keep up the great Vid's!
Fascinating video as always. I love that they combine sheer beauty and a very informative commentary. One point that I don't think you leaned on too heavily is the negative effect of flaps on the climb rate. However, do you find that a little flap with the slower speed can increase the climb angle in any of the aircraft you fly?
The DA40 has Vx published with Approach Flaps; however I think this is mainly due to the speed being close to clean stall speed, so they do not publish it clean. As far as I understand this, climb angle is better clean while enroute - i.e. you want to climb before a mountain ridge. During takeoff it depends on the restriction. You can get away from the ground faster but the angle afterwards is flatter with flaps than clean. So you’re better off with flaps if there are obstacles in the first meters after the runway or the runway is short. If the obstacles are further away - but higher, use clean config.
@@michi795 Thanks. Yes that makes sense. The drag from the flaps decreasing the excess thrust margin. I wonder however if there's an aeroplane that has flaps that effectively reduce the stall speed to the extent that the decreased ground track can compensate for the reduce in excess thrust, thereby increasing the climb angle. Perhaps only aircraft with blown flaps would exhibit this behaviour.
@@AlbaSkies yeah I understand what you mean. Would be interesting to learn more on this
Awesome
Excelente como siempre. Bendiciones!
Every time I see a "not like" on these type of videos, reminds me Flat Earthers and Talibans exist then I forget about it.
This video absolutely proves that flat earth exist
You got more balls than i do, thats for sure, 182 pilot here.
Normal allocation is two per unit.
@@dunruden9720 some are larger than others.
At 10-11k in a 172 might 5 deg flap extend range over-water? Extending distance/fuel ratio is more important than speed. I refer to a leg east from Manley, JA to Toussaint Louverture at HT via check-point Bennet. Out of Manley there is a climb to avoid mountains and then east over water. Fuel is a stretch Thanks for your opinion and all that you offer by your knowledge.
Increased lift also means increased induced drag. To put it simply, it is best technically best used for gaining and losing altitude. Once you were to reach a safe or cruising altitude you want as little drag as possible.
From the PHAK (6-8): Flaps allow a compromise between high cruising
speed and low landing speed because they may be extended
when needed and retracted into the wing’s structure when not
needed.
Hey...yeah... thanks,..I've gone through all of that but there is always a chance that some variation of an airfoil might extend range employing a lower power setting with a crack on the flaps. 5% would be too much. I tried on descent from 10.5K going straight to numbers with headwind and low fuel. I didn't need speed but did need distance. Maybe it helped? Won't be doing that leg again.
Do you having landing gear issues? Front strut seals leaking, fasteners coming loose? You make a lot of landings on very rough strips. You can see things really vibrating a lot. I am sure you are keeping up with maintenance requirements, but your landing gear really gets a workout. Just curious. Thanks.
What it the glass thing on the top of the dash that looks like a gun site?
Angle of attack indicator, lets him fly slow but just fast enough to not stall.
Seems like on short final your speed most of the times is 50-55? behind the power curve?
Yes behind the power curve.
Great video Sir but just carry a little bit more airspeed in those tight turns as you don't stall
at 2.28 is it the airstrip in SERENA ? Corcovado, Costa rica?
Sirena , yes in Corcovado
Really enjoy your videos. I’m curious about your decision to use 30° of flaps on takeoff. Cessna 182 manual says “Flap deflection of more than 20° is not approved for takeoff.” and should stay at 20 until all obstacles are cleared. The first 50% of flaps provide more than half of the increased lift (CLmax) and flaps greater than 50% create more than half of the drag so it seems like flap settings greater than 20 on C182 would be counterproductive. Have you found a different result in your flight tests?
Yes but only after installing the Sportsman STOL kit, I use 30 degrees as per the manufacturer recommendation, and the plane starts flying at 40MPH
BrotherSturgis, your comment is accurate for a stock wing 182. This 182’s wing is modified with a sportsman STOL kit wing cuff and vortex generators so the stock/book stall speeds and configurations don’t fully apply. Backcountry has another video that shows his modifications
What for is the gauge in front windshield with little mirror on top??
That is an AOA (Angle of Attack) meter which is helpful in slow (STOL) flight. They are gaining popularity in back country flying.
Measures the angle between the chord line (straight through the airfoil) and the relative wind. Every airfoil stalls at its own critical angle of attack regardless of indicated airspeed. This lets you get right up to the critical AoA meaning the wing is just barely flying and with full flaps you can maintain enough lift to go very slow.
find having to land using depending on power to fly very dangerous. What happens if you loose power, or have a little "cough" on the engine?. Also, runways were you cannot see a clear go around, specially at very low sped, full flaps... very little if any margin for error.. pushing the envelope too much?. Nevertheless, very interesting videos.. thank you.
I'm curious about the takeoff with 30-degrees of flaps. My normal practice is no flaps for the first 2 or 3 seconds before I add the flaps because I figure I pick up speed a bit faster at the start that way. I admit this practice really doesn't matter unless the runway length is truly marginal, because it probably only saves a short distance --- maybe 10~20 feet? Or maybe different airplanes don't gain from what I do? I suppose that could be.
max bootstrap that technique ia good and I have done it , but when the strip is narrow and short I prefer to start with flaps and not have the distrction.
C182 is my favorite
I know nothing, really but... these planes do not have spoilers? It seems like the option of using spoilers could allow you to come in maybe a bit higher and have a little more "wiggle room". Would spoilers be a nice option, or am I way off base here? Curious... I am not a pilot.
I know nothing too, but spoilers are heard of on sailplanes to me, not these Cessnas.
I had spoilers (aka speed brakes) on my T206. They were great for increasing descent rate without increasing speed, or decreasing speed without increasing descent rate. All they do is add drag. You can see this pilot in some of his steep approaches performing a forward slip, essentially provides the same function without having to take his hands off the primary controls to push a button to deploy and retract the spoilers.
Have you ever experienced a tail stall when using a forward slip with 30-40 flaps?
Cessna 182, you are allowed to do them with 40 degrees of flaps, 172 and 170s have a restriction, I think to 10 or 20 degrees.
@@motoadveBackcountry182 I know the restriction but I was just wondering if anyone ever experienced the tail stall that supposedly can result.
Idaho is so beautiful.
How long have you been flying?
11 years, 2,500 hrs
What is the sight gauge you use on the dash? I’ve seen it a few times on STOL aircraft, but not often. Looks like something from an old WW2 machine gun..
Angle of attack guage.
Man, you are flying to some places! Is it a job or just a hobby?
Can someone explain why he retracted flaps on the bounce-go-around at 2:00?
Marc Marc flaps were full and during a takeoff / go around, anything more than about 25 degrees of flaps actually adds more drag than lift. He was retracting them to a less degree to keep the increase in lift and lose the drag
@@KennyBates No the creator used that as an example of what not to do. Retracting flaps at a "critical" moment (not enough airspeed) results in loss of lift. This is not what you want when trying to outclimb an obstacle.
Taylor Fly on a go around? Retracting from full to a lower setting is what you’re always taught
@@KennyBates Listen to what he says. I'm no expert on backcountry go-arounds but I'd imagine that combination of airspeed and pitch angle resulted in unnecessary loss of lift when reducing the flaps that much.
@@KennyBates czcams.com/video/J6o-OKoFySM/video.html
love content & calming music(anybody knows?)
I would like to know the music as well
How much do you charge for lessons? :)
Well it’s idaho of course the density altitude is high.
which sim is this
Real life simulator 2020
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02:05 he cut all flaps while trying to make a low and slow climbing turn. Lucky that is a strong engine and its low temp. I can hear the stall warning on that slow turn with flaps all up.. Student Pilot Error.
He has an AoA indicator that’s more precise than the stall warner. Stall warning doesn’t mean that the aircraft is about to stall. Student pilots should of course NOT attempt what this guy is doing.
If you fly a aircraft thinking a stall horn is gonna keep you safe. STAY ON THE GROUND!!!! AOA does a much better job of showing reserve lift!
@@peterandersson3812 At 02:05 that is the C180 that did the bounce and go
, and he dummy cut all flaps while trying to climb and turn slow. Not the uploader C182.
@@DV-ce1gn - Well, what about WW2 pilots that flew more dangerous and heavy airplanes and fighters, overloaded, tired, WITH NO STALL WARNINGS. Just feeling controls well. Real pilots only accepted that era.
I taught spins and basic aerobatics on underpower A150's and others with only a stall warning and sometimes without it working and never stalled lost of control.
And I have 4 partial power take off emergencies, on singles. No climbing, and all I brought it back to airport using turnback tricks I know since the 1980's
You dont need so many gadgets if you feel the controls well and dont panic. Only airplane drivers need a lot of gadgets and bells, and alarms, and GPS to fly safely.
I flew all the hot caribbean on singles and twins in the 1970's including st Barths and Virgin Gorda full gross landings. Without those gadgets. And never had an incident by pilot error. Gadgets are for Girlies..
@@outwiththem I agree, maybe you misunderstood me. I don't need a stall warning to fly a plane, I also don't need a AOA. I can fly a aircraft by feeling the controls. Isn't that why we have students practice slow flight??
02:02 He cut all flaps while trying to climb or turn to avoid over obstacles. Lucky guy he made that turn. This is what happen when you cut all flaps at low speed.. You cut lift flaps 10 setting? Your climb flattens out czcams.com/video/RfSrm5QeR1s/video.html
At low speed under the Vx, if you cut all flaps, you cut lift.
you need a parachute like the fighter airplane have
I'm terrified cause of these trees and mountains😏 I can't be a good pilot
I only fly a sim but I learn a lot from your videos. Disadvantage of a sim is that I never know if I am doing it wrong or the sim gots it wrong. In some planes flaps make the plane unstable while for other planes you almost forget them. I noticed that if I am close to stall speed with extended flaps, it often goes wrong if I make a turn. I think the turn decreases the stall speed so I try not to manouvre a lot with flaps down.
What to do if you stall with flaps half way down and to low to pitch down to get more speed. Get them up to reduce drag and pick up speed, or extend them even more and maybe increase power, or only increase power Thanks for these videos, they are awsum in quality and information. Y ou are the only channel I do not mind the music :-)
Gutsy pilot! That’s some pretty awesome flying.
open video, click like button, watch video
You really need subtitles....
misusing
how so
Flaps increase an airplane decent angle. Period.
A pilot should Never use 30° of flaps for takeoff.
Yep, your a C-182 pilot. 😜
i wouldnt use/advice 30° flaps for takeoff on a regular c182