MiSTer FPGA DE-10 - FPGA Emulation vs Software Emulation in MAME - which is "better"
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- MiSTer FPGA vs MAME; one small FPGA device vs one GIANT emulation project. It's the MiSTer vs MAME Showdown!
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I asked, you answered...and I try to listen :) Of all the requests for new content on the channel one of the most frequently asked for videos is a series on the Terasic DE-10 Nano MiSTer FPGA hardware...so here it is! It really is a S tier retro gaming device!
On this episode of our MiSTer series we will be directly comparing the MiSTer FPGA project vs software emulation; I will be using MAME this time at a lot of viewers requests! So...which is the better platform...MiSTer or MAME? Retrogaming showdown!
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To answer the question: Source 1 is MiSTer and Source 2 is MAME. 90% of you got it right! Good eyes and ears!
Sorry you feel that way. I don’t
LOL ok
I love that MAME creators and MiSTer creators are collaborating and not competing. Jotego always informs MAME group about faults in their emulations.
Yes it’s all one big happy “let’s just make everything awesome” time
I just recently purchased a SSF2X cps2, and to my surprise all the graphical ''errors'' that I thought it only happened in MAME, actually happen on the original hardware as well. You set MAME to a 15khz resolution, and its absolutely perfection when it comes down to most CPS1/2 titles, and the whole Neo Geo library.
Isn’t it funny when you finally find out some of the “oppsies” are part of the actual game? Haha
I'm really enjoying this series. It's quite amazing how quickly emulating with an FPGA has caught up with mature software emulation.
Yes the reality is MiSTer is a lot younger than MAME...by a LOT
It's not like Mister is starting all the reasearch from start. Surely they are using existing information and reasearch from software emulation devs before them.
100% it’s using foundational work
@@Imgema theres also a lot of cores that are not. Jotego and others are having to build schematics from scratch. There are a lot of de-capping of custom chip's that have been happening in the wake of MiSTer.
But both sides definitely benefit. Win for all!
Yes on the arcade side it’s a lot of one off work. Console side it’s utilizing existing knowledge in spots
It would also be interesting to test input latency of the two.
at some point I will
@@VideoGameEsoterica thanks in advance!
The OP said he can’t feel any difference in control and response.
Yes that’s my gen take away
It's hard to beat the portability and overall quality of MiSTer for me. I prefer it to original hardware in some cases.
the portability is awesome but I just make that comparison as a semi-joke :)
@@VideoGameEsoterica I'm glad you make the comparison. 👍
everyone seems to enjoy them and I really like making them so plenty more coming!
Those are good representative comparisons. If done correctly, both should achieve the same result, because both are aiming at the same target. The constraints of MAME will only really be seen when the original hardware specs massively exceed current hardware emulation capabilities.
MAME is amazing till you get to 3D, but MiSTer can't do most of the arcade 3D stuff so...mixed bag!
There are some weird microtonal pitch shifts in #1's music most notably around the 4:40 and 4:44-4:45 mark (noticed it slightly in the CPS footage as well). I checked both MAME and MiSTer to see if either one exhibited the same behavior on my end, but didn't notice it at all. It might possibly be an artifact of the capture, which would suggest #1 is MiSTer. The audio balance between music and voice also suggests that #1 is MiSTer and #2 is MAME, as well.
It could also be YT compression. It loves to do odd things
CZcams compression makes it even harder to hear subtle deals, but the conclusion is that they are both the same, one isn’t better than the other
Yeah sadly the compression is the one thing I can’t control
I honestly cannot tell the difference between 1 and 2. Also friendly suggestion, for audio comparisons, using the same level music would help. Once again, great video!
They are V similar for sure
1 is Mister, definitely. The higher contrast that can be seen in your other neogeo examples makes it clear to me.
Good logic. Maybe you are right :) maybe not. (Haha don’t want to spoil my own fun)
For MAME for CPS1 you have to turn the brightness down by 1 point and the contrast up by 1 point, then you'll find it about matches the FPGA.
I'll say this...MAME and FBA have come a LONG way with their emulation. It's gotten so good it's crazy. It's also the reason why emulation has become good enough to sell these days via official mini consoles and such.
Yes it’s improved a ton as of late
MAME'S look will depend on your monitor, GPU and OS brightness and colour settings, audio will depend on your audio card.
Yes. 100% variables and I did mention that
I've had a mister for awhile and I just got crt emudriver going with mame for games that aren't on mister and it's been a pain in the butt getting the modelines for every resolution and hz for a centered screen. Mister you just plug and play and most cores have screen adjustments in the menu.
Yes CRT MAME is awesome but it’s a LOT of work. Worth it tho
It's very clear. MAME is for those that want the most flexibility of various emulators, the most games emulated, easier configuration, and possibility for free with the system you already have laying around or that someone will give you for free.
MiSTer is for those that like paying hundreds of dollars for stuff they probably don't need, and falsely want to accuse software emulation as being crap, incapable of being cycle accurate and want to believe that hardware is always better than software. It's for those that want to recreate classic games, but totally miss the point of what is actually important. It's for those that think their FPGA is going to look more authentic, but totally miss out on the things that matter most like a proper CRT display or proper controls vs the crap they are probably using. It's for those that miss the point that recreating something is only going to be as good as the people making it, and it really doesn't matter of it's method such as FPGA or software but what really matters is......how good of a job the people have done reproducing the specific games/systems you want reproduced without the originals.
Jealous that you didn't build a MiSTer before the prices got hiked up?
@@IliekWhy would I be?
I'm just puzzled why people spend money on something when something free is often better, and does a lot more. There may be specific uses where it could be better for something due to more development of a particular recreation, it's not the rule. Software emulation is often better, and free.
I always thought biggest difference in mame vs. Mister is the audio. That being said. I say version 2 is mister. Fingers crossed 🤞
Second vote for version 2 being MiSTer!
Third vote.
I’m blaming CZcams for this one. ;)
I would say that 1 is MiSTer and 2 is MAME. There's a "hiss" to some sounds in number 2 like either the output is attempting to recreate an arcade speaker profile or it's trying to change the sampling rate too much from the source quality and getting distortion artifacts in the end result. I don't recall hearing that with my MiSTer which is why I think number 2 is MAME. I also hear the same "hiss" in the Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAME example vs the MiSTer example.
There's no doubt that both MiSTer and software emulation can produce fantastic results. I've become more curious as to how much computer power is needed to recreate the same level of high accuracy and low latency that FPGA offers. A MiSTer build can be pricey (sadly more so with the recent DE10-Nano increase), but it's not like any x86_64 CPU and GPU are automatically better. It would be an even harder price comparison if PCs also had to compete on size. PCs ramp up in cost when they get down to a certain size.
you were 100% correct. The audio really queued people into which was which
Thanks for this, subbed. I also would love to see an input lag comparison, especially by using retroarch features such as run ahead and the more recent auto frame delay. Many thanks.
Maybe in the future I will do those
Mister addon also has native 15khz support. Maybe expand on this with playing on a CRT vs LCD which is something you cant really show through capture cards?
I did an episode about 15khz on CRT in the past. Hard to expand on something when I can’t show it in operation (MAME)
they both look awesome
Yes and that’s a great thing. More options to play = better
Emulation has come a long way. While i mostly cant tell visually. I can most certainly feel differences when it comes to the games i play hardcore. I can trust MiSTer to always be on point with zero lag across the board. This varies on emulators. Even though emulation has come so far in this regard. With runahead and other tricks. But Mister doesnt need any of this. Theres just a level of trust established with MiSTer and Fpga in general vs software emulation in regards to input lag. But id argue for the vast majority of people, no difference if you got a good pc to accurately emulate.
And its super simple to still use CRT. I dont need an old video card, or one with modded firmware or a converter. Mister just works and outputs 15khz.
End of the day, everyone is winning in terms of retro!
Yes lag is hard for me to talk about because I am running an i912900K so the processor can handle anything emulation wise. So for me there is no perceivable lag in emulation
These are both great and depressing since it makes me realise there was seemingly little point selling my cheap GroovyMame setups in my arcade cabs for two expensive MiSTer builds, as there is virtually zero difference between the two...
Yes they are V similar
..comparing the audio of two different devices, ... with two different audio tracks ?????
Were they different? Hmm...then yes I guess compare them :) (it was mostly for clarity)
Version 2 is Mame. The audio delay is a dead giveaway.
Yeah, with Street Fighter it's really noticible, I swear it's almost 200ms of delay.
People are really keying in on that detail in the comments
There is a delay isnt there
@@VideoGameEsoterica did you run groovymame in this video? Or just the regular build? I don't get that audio delay in GM.
On the Neo Geo side, there are slight differences in sound. I can feel it in the music. They sound slightly different. I don't know on the CPS-1 and 2 side, they sound exactly the same to me.
Neo Geo music is very noticeable and when its "off" fans can tell
@@VideoGameEsoterica Emulating chip tunes will never sound the same as playing music from the actual chip in real time.
If the chip is recreated in FPGA though it’s as close as you can get
Version 1 sounded off. I think version 2 was MISTer. Sound is where I have always noticed MISTer being close to the original.
Going against the popular vote
Are you comparing groovy mame on a crt to Mister on a CRT at native res and native refresh rates?
This is super important as the speed of old games is linked to refresh rates. If you display either on an HD flat-screen at 60hz then the speed will be off, you'll get screen tearing and other visual artifacts and jaggies/ lost details.
The colors will also be off on a flat-screen compared to a CRT.
The key difference between groovy mame and original hardware that I can perceive is missing frames but everything else is identical. I'm curious about the difference between groovy mame and Mister.
Comparing to regular mame on a flat-screen is a waste of time as neither will be accurate
Honestly at almost 2 and a half years old I…don’t remember?
I honestly can't call it. It looks the same on CZcams and even with my headphones on, I can't tell the difference in Audio. 1 is the Mister, but its a stab in the dark.
That's what I hope people took away from the video...just how close they really are
Heck yeah! Keep ‘em coming! Love the content!
Plenty more coming :)
Garou: Mark of the Wolves
Version 1 - MiSTer
Version 2 - MAME
Very popular vote today
You should do a video comparison of a retropie setup Vs MiSTer !
Why though? Most retropie setups are shit, using ancient versions of MAME.
I have one sitting next to me
It’s still fun to compare
Its fun, sure, but can leave the wrong impression to the casual observer. Emulation gets enough bad rep because of performance based emulators, or old versions, that are meant to run on potatoes.
When making informative comparison videos, this kind of distinction is important. Not all software emulators are equal. Im not talking about your videos but a lot of retro game youtubers make that mistake.
When I do a Pi vs MiSTer series I will put the emulators used up to a vote. I can select what I think is best but everyone seems to have their own thoughts so public polling makes the most sense
The biggest test you can do to tell accuracy in Final Fight is to try and do the jab stun lock. It's possible in Mister and arcade hardware. Not so much in Mame.
I’ll have to give that a shot sometime. For me it’s best tested in Neo Geo fighting games as I can feel when lag drops inputs / moves. That’s where I really judge it
Jab lock is easily achievable in mame, just with correct settings and low lag hardware.
Good to know
Based on the Mark Of The Wolves intro, I’m emphatically guessing number 1 is the MiSTer. The bad vocal mix and harsher sound moments that remind me of music played backwards tug my memory more. It’s how I remember the Dreamcast version that I played a ton. Or how I imagine the sound if played from an archaic 4 slot machine in a bowling alley, rotated with puzzle bobble, super sidekicks and Neo Turf Masters. 2 probably sounds better technically, but I’m sticking with number 1 as MiSTer
The Alpha 3 sound comparison gives me similar vibes. The hit and block sound effects in Mame seem less extreme.
It’s funny how much sound plays a roll in deciding what we thing is which platform. I agree on Neo Geo...I can always tell when the sound is off
I noticed Haggar's punches were significantly faster on Mister.
Faster eh?
You talked all over number 2 video so I can't hear the audio.
It's cool that you're putting them against each other, but you've not mentioned at all which version of MAME this is- or the exact system spec. IMO it's apples to oranges, they may be both emulation, but the biggest bottleneck will be input latency, a Windows PC has a total disadvantage, depending on more than only computer power. You could throw on Batocera/ Linux to have MAME perform better, for example. Cool video, tho- a MiSTer system is still something I need to eventually purchase.
I usually mention my specs; this was i7 6700K with a GTX 1080. New comparisons will be made on an i9 12900K and a 3080TI with 64GB DDR4
oh and I did mention...current MAME rev. Or if I didnt...CURRENT MAME rev :)
Is there a way to speed up the core so the slowdown never occurs even though it’s present on real hardware? I remember it was possible to overclock the genesis to get around slowdown issues.
Not to my knowledge no. It’s 1:1
It's a trick question, version 1 and 2 are both REAL HARDWARE!
I win.
Haha
I like the sound of 2 better. Whether that means it's MAME or MiSTer, no idea. My gut wants to say 2 is MiSTer, but perhaps MAME has better audio filters and is boosting some channels slightly. I'm gonna say 2 is MiSTer though.
Noted. Everyone will know tomorrow :)
Hmmm, youtube compression doesn't help here.
I'm guessing 1. Mister and 2.Mame for two reasons :
- seems on #2 there's a slight audio delay typical of mame (which can fixed easily btw)
- #2 timer seems a little faster which makes me think it syncs @60hz (mame default setting since you're running stock) whereas mister core sends 59,18hz normally
Well, I could be wrong 😅
Everyone is saying the same thing. If everyone is wrong (no spoilers yet) itll be quite the thing
i dont mind software emulaton at all it can be great but what sometimes kills it for me is the input lag depending on the setup , the fact that mister has the same input lag as original hardware is what makes me prefer FPGA.
Yes the lack of input lag is nice. You can get V close on PC…but it takes more work. I appreciate that everyone basically gets the same experience on FPGA. It’s not down to PC specs / what might be running in the background, etc etc
@@VideoGameEsoterica yea there is the possibility with PC based emulation that other background processed for windows and other programes interupt and slow it down whereas the fpga is literally dedicated to whatever core is running at time and nothing else is running, although i suppose its then down to the quality of the core if any crashes occur etc.
Exactly. It’s one major benefit to MiSTer
What is your MAME configuration? It looks so good. Can you do a video with your favorite settings? I can make it look crisp by using scan lines but here everything looks sharp
Stock. No filters. I don’t apply filters to either source for comparisons
Non important detail but it really weirded me out for a second that all the games had their image matched with their own sound and suddenly I see Ghouls'nGhosts but hear the music from the second stage of Forgotten Worlds. It kinda felt fitting because they both have a similar Cps1 OST but I was like "Wait, this fits but this is something I heard on some other place" 😄 .
Haha yeah I like messing around sometimes like that. Good pick up!
I guess 1 is MiSTer. In sf you can hear that mame has Audio lag. Punch hits before the sound is played. I guess that is not fixable in Software emulation.
Interesting observation
What can I run on a MISTer? Can I run multiple systems, or do I have to buy multiple MISTer's for multiple systems?
One mister. You just load cores. Loading takes a second. Maybe two. Basically instant
Do you have the latest version of the Neo Geo core? The off-key/bending audio glitch in MiSTer got fixed some time ago.
Yes I capture these off what was current when shot
the differences between mister and mame are as small as between mame and the original pcb boards. But if you want to adjust the clock cycle more precisely in mame, I leave you some adjustments of the overclock percentage in mame, which is an option that opens in the mame menu when activating cheats (1) in mame.ini. I have tested these values with the original pcb and they are 100% accurate. I encourage you to try it. I use groovymame on groovyarcade OS:
Mushihimesama:37.6% cpu, 56%
Pink Sweets: 37.2% cpu, blitter off
Ibara Black Label: 50% cpu, blitter off
Futari 1.5: cpu 37.9 Mhz, blitter 54%
Espgaluda 2 cpu 49.76 Mhz, blitter delay 63%
Deathsmiles cpu 52.5 Mhz, blitter 59%
Daifukkatsu 1.5 cpu 43.62 Mhz, blitter 59%
Neo-geo 99%cpu (except Garou 11.796 Mhz 98%o.c.)
cps1 y cps1.5 al 70% o.c.
cps2 7-8.64 Mhz ó 66% o.c.
cps3 80% cpu
Taito f3 70% cpu
System18 sega 86% cpu
System16 sega 86% cpu
System32 sega 34% cpu
Aliens 160% cpu
Mortal Kombat 2 al 81% cpu
Taito f3 al 70 % cpu
Robocop al 70% cpu
Toki al 95% cpu
Bubble bobble 94 % cpu
Astyanax Jaleco 100% cpu
Rastan saga, taito 115%
Good info. Thanks for posting
@@VideoGameEsoterica congratulations for your work!!
Glad you like it!
I seem to recall noticing input latency in MAME on my i5-4690k. I chose to play NeoGeo on FinalBurn because of that but the downside was Mame seemed to sound better than FinalBurn. Maybe my CPU isn't good enough to remove the little latency in Mame? It is 4 cores and 4 threads, no hyperthreading. Actually I notice latency in most software emulators except when using RetroArch with RunAhead... that fixes it. I am sensitive to input latency, and I don't think anyone could beat Mike Tyson on Punch Out without RetroArch runahead lol.
Have you tried the latest version of Mame core? Before 0.237 there was an extra frame of lag that is now fixed. Now its even faster than Final Burn.
I didn’t feel lag on my old system but I recently upgraded to an i9 12900K so now it should be obv faster
Also, try RetroArch with GPU sync enabled on a decent monitor. No need for Runahead.
I did hear they removed a frame of lag. Good to know
You don't need a 12k series CPU, i have a 9 year i5 4670 and no issues with lag. Just a properly configured setup.
1 is mister and 2 is mame. I can tell the slight color difference from your first comparison. I don’t remember if you said this before, but I’m guessing you are going hdmi out of the mister and not vga?
That def seems to be the popular vote...I will answer in comments and on Twitter at 3 pm
I notice another difference in Ghosts'N Goblins, scrolling looks smoother on MiSTer FPGA. Is not very noticeable, and most people won't even see it.
what part of the screen and what time code? Id be curious to peek
@@VideoGameEsoterica At 7:50 while the tree scrolls, I notice the mame scroll is not constant, like if some frames took longer than others. This is something I noticed in all kind of captures from fpga vs emulation. I guess it is caused by the gpu or video mode of the machine emulating the games.
@@Oosystem It runs differently depending on which version of MAME. I noticed the scrolling of some games like this one looks better in some versions than others. They emulate thousands of games, and sometimes when they fix one game or add new ones, others are broken.
No big deal though. The solution is to run more than one version of MAME as I do.
Version 1 is Mame
Noted. Not saying you are right...or wrong :)
So i definitely don't mean to be a party pooper with this comment. Im a huge fan of mister. But if the results are the same then why are people so exited about the jotego cores?
MiSTer provides a lot of other benefits. Near zero lag for one. Two it’s an FPGA reimplementation of the hardware so it’s tournament allowable from what I’ve heard
@@VideoGameEsoterica got it. that second point i didn't know. so cool.
Yes now it’s easier than having to always have a CPS 2 board for everyone
I have both a steam deck and a master. I really can’t tell the difference between the two when it comes to gaming. So, I’m trying to make a decision on which one to sell off. I love the MISTer, but I think it will be the one that will get the axe, since I can do more with my steam deck.
That’s fair. The Steam Deck is awesome. For me both serve purposes though
You'll likely regret selling either of those devices.
Mister's colors look deeper 7:08 but they are not the same tone
Answer is the pinned comment :)
Final Fight sound is better on Mister imo. Especially with the original filter on. When playing it on my wooden arcade cabinet i get that exact dirty boom like i remember from the arcades back in the day.
Dirty boom is the best way to describe it. Also the funniest
@@VideoGameEsoterica
Definitely FF has that characteristic bass..but the dirtiest boom and the best sound of all the arcade beatemups has Vigilante. That punching effect, the music...i wish so much someone would make that core for Mister.
Funny I just did voice over for Vigalante last night!
I really wish people would stop calling FPGAs emulation, they're not.
They're hardware replication.
It's hardware literally being configured to replicate other hardware.
Emulation is purely software, not hardware.
Emulation is strictly software used to run other software on hardware it wasn't made for.
Hardware replication is hardware told to be different hardware so that it can run said software.
It’s a difference between an industry definition and a dictionary definition. If we wanted an even better term we’d use simulacra : “something that replaces reality with its representation”; MiSTer is not real hardware. It’s a (if done correctly) 1:1 simulacra of the real thing...or something that replaces reality (OG hardware) with its representation (rebuild hardware in logic gates)
Emulation by definition in computing terms is reproduction of the function or action of a different computer, and this can be done via software, or hardware, such as FPGA. At the end of the day, the cores on mister are seeking to replicate as best as possible the original hardware experience via different means. Replicating other hardware is basically emulation.
Exactly. Every definition technically fits
With Garou and Matrimelee, I can’t tell which is MiSTer and which is Mame really and I’ve played that a lot on my MVS. As for the CPS games, they look identical to me aswell but I only played them on MiSTer :-) I won’t vote because it’d be a complete guess and I don’t want to mess up the results!
And that just goes to show how close they really are
@@VideoGameEsoterica Absolutely! Both great options but as you mentioned, MiSTer is easy to move around :-)
Haha yes my studio PC is massive. Not moving that thing
@@VideoGameEsoterica I’m going to guesstimate. I re-watched/listened to the Garou footage and 1 sounds slightly more “raw”, much like the original hardware. I vote MiSTer is 1 :-)
That seems to be the popular vote...but will it be the right one!? LOL
its weird but for me mame runs like at more hrz or something, look to me more fluid. idk just saying
It’s the same frame rate on both sources so it must be tricking your eye
1st's audio sounds mame-ish, so my guess is 2nd is mister.
opposite was true :)
Is it possible to save anywhere in the game?
They aren’t save states
Am I correct? You can't save everywhere during the game, for example, like in FCEUX?@@VideoGameEsoterica
Great video. Honestly can't tell the difference. Mister is very mature already.
I was thinking of getting even one mister but for the same money I could get another good 2nd hand i7 6700k PC for a groovymame set up one of the cabinets and run tons more titles.
Someone should really write a script to automate a groovymame setup as it's beyond most people wheras the mister is much easier to set up with its scripts.
There also looks to be good synergy between the mister and mame devs too with any new mister findings going back to mame. Like the contra stage two barrels are now straight.
Great video again!
Groovy MAME is not an easy thing to get aetup and the fact it needs specific GPUs is very limiting
V2 is MiSTer, I think
I will post the result tomorrow :)
can you do one between Pi4 vs Mister? ie. SNES, NeoGeo etc?
Soon. I have the Pi next to me. Just haven’t started yet
I can tell you right now that the pi4 has mucho input lag and emulator errors with retropie at least when it comes to CPS2. Also CPS1 is emulate at incorrect speeds like with SF2:HF. CPS2 speeds are also not accurate. The MiSTer is 100% better solution than the pi4.
People really want to see it compared to the Pi though so I’ll do it
Mister 1, Mame 2. Here are my 2 cents
That’s the leading vote currently
1: MAME
Noted
love your stuff EXCEPT for your theme music. It’s so creepy and freaks me out. I scrub past it every time
LOL people either get the joke or don’t. Maybe one day I’ll change it
@@VideoGameEsoterica Yes it's take these broken wings backwards... still creepy! :)
LOL you think that’s creepy. Go watch the intro to the Dracula series
@@VideoGameEsoterica Haha - good one! Seriously… the detail you’re putting into these videos is on point. As an older retro gamer I appreciate the meticulous detail and care in your work. Keep it up and thanks for all you do for the community!
Thanks. Plenty more coming :)
You ruin all comparisons by using a capture card and HD displays. Only a comparison between groovymame and the FPGA on a crt will tell you anything of value.
If you upscale from 224p to 1080p and change the native refresh rate from 59.7hz to 60hz for your flatscreen monitor, for example, you will change the look, feel and speed of the game... and introduce artifacts like tearing.
These problems will be caused regardless if it's emulation, real hardware or FPGA.
If you use groovymame (on a decent pc) to output the game at native res and refresh rates to a crt in RGB (and do the same with the FPGA) it will be a fair comparison.
There is no reason why colors would be affected. These can be adjusted in mame anyway. You might see differences in the brightness and contrast caused by different voltages in the rgb signals.
The biggest difference though... should be in missing frames and input lag. I recommend Street Fighter 2 ce and check out Guile's hard sweep kick. It's always missing frames in Mame.
Ruin? You go shoot nothing but a CRT for these videos and you tell me how good that looks. It looks terrible
@VideoGameEsoterica that's irrelevant. Making it look pretty is different to doing a comparison that has any value.
This has tons of value. Sorry you don’t feel that way
Version one is mame ! Version two is mister !
Seems like a popular opinion today
@@VideoGameEsoterica yo quick Q… have you done anything on ring of destruction/ slam masters 2 ? .. it would be perfect for the unported series .
I actually haven’t. I’ve done two videos on games in the series but not 2. Because I forgot? It’s in the damn CPS II catalog and I missed it in my master CPS series. Guess it’ll come at the end! Hahaha (thanks for helping me realize I missed one)
@@VideoGameEsoterica tight! . Glad to help .. One of my favorites for sure . Just beat it yesterday after I got my ass handed to me by late levels of puzz loop 2 .
I think I got confused because the naming convention of that series is always hard to follow!
retroarch win
Mame ftw then
Sure I guess
version 1 mame.
seems like the popular vote this morning...that means either everyone has figured it out or you are all wrong :)
@@VideoGameEsoterica properly wrong I was going by the sound has a bit more base where mister tends to be a bit more cleaner sounding well sound without low pass filters but now I have said bet I wrong lol.
haha well there is no consequence of being wrong so it's all good...but maybe you are right? lol
2 is mame, colours are cooler.
Interesting observation and first vote for MAME being 2...not saying you are right but you did use my cool color comparison to base your guess on so nice looking for the evidence :)
@@VideoGameEsoterica different cores but there's a very small difference in the colours and I'll assume colours on mister cores are locked to be the same.
Interesting take. Good logic
@@VideoGameEsoterica i had fk all else to go on. Haha.
haha that is true. V similar images
I will take MAME, every single day of the week, over Mister, and it's crap few cores. I have thousands of arcade games waiting at my fingertips, and with great MAME shader support - which looks a million times better than Mister connected to modern displays, why would anyone want an overpriced, overrated Mister ?
I mean it’s fine if you don’t want one but MiSTer is certainly not crap. Not is MAME. Two great options for people to choose from
I feel somewhat like this. More like I've been sold on MiSTer's accuracy, enough to sell my GroovyMame CRT Cab builds for MiSTers for a lot more money, when actually looking at these great videos, there is almost zero between them. Hopefully someone can prove me wrong or I might just offload the MiSTers and go back to GroovyMame.
I mean MiSTer can do a lot more than MAME can to be honest. It’s a valuable device
@@VideoGameEsoterica Thanks for the reply and the continued great content - in terms of 'doing a lot more' could you elaborate a bit please? I'm genuinely interested as I am on the fence as to whether to get rid of them. Cheers :)
All the additional consoles, computer cores, the scaling to tv, etc
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Basically Mister is overrated garbage. 😁
I wouldn't say it's garbage, I think a groovymame setup is still better but we'll see what further developement on the mister brings to the table.