The main impact of this doco was to launch BJM on the wider world. Anton is still making great music. The stuff he's done with Tess Parks is phenomenal. Can't think of anything any notable any of the Dandys have done recently.
This is exactly right. I'm surprised she thinks the doc could have made the Dandys look worse...because it makes them look pretty bad. And the prediction of the Dandys guitarist at the end of the film, something along the lines of "maybe everyone will forget about us but still be listening to BJM records decades from now," turned out to be very true.
I love the Dandys, they’re cool and fun and likeable. But without any question Anton‘s more troubled life has made him a much deeper and artistically more relevant artist. That still doesn’t mean that drugs make you more interesting. But I know about myself and many other people that the BJM substantially helped us through difficult times of our lives. And I don’t believe that as many people say that about the Dandys.
"She (her daughter) is not as impressed by me as most other people are." Poor "other people." I' m not at all impressed by her. She's the Linda McCartney of TDW. To hear her call herself an artist is enough to make one vomit. She's not even a human being. She's a social role. An NPC. A cliche. In short, a nothing.
Anton - the guy NOBODY thought would live past 40, has continued to produce epic music. He weathered the storms and in the end is probably way cooler than the Dandys
@@jypsyjewels2854 Great comment. The Dandy's, well, the less said the better. They had their moment 25 years ago. Who cares how "well-adjusted" they are? Big deal.
Cool perspective from Zia McCabe. Bravo. But, it must be said, that despite the 'Dig!'' portrayal of Anton as a junky psycho, he's gone on to become the consummate artist, with, arguably, one of deepest catalogues in American music.
@@greva2904 No, actually, I do think it's a head scratcher. Whatever 'everyone else' thinks doesn't concern him. Haters can hate. That's their prerogative. Life goes on. Meanwhile, Anton produces at a higher clip than pretty much 'everyone else'.
‘Haters can hate’ That must explain why many BJM fans seem to spend most of their time trawling CZcams for Dandy Warhols vids so they can slag off the Dandy’s for Anton’s greater glory. I don’t understand it myself, but being a BJM fan seems to mean you get your kicks sticking it to the Dandy’s ad infinitum. Weird.
I just watched the documentary. Loved the BJM for years, but it got me into the Dandy Warholes. I must say, they are brilliant. Currently sifting through their albums. I must say, Zia is a smoking hottie. Good moves and good vibes girl. 😎 Joel is also Mr cool.
Grateful that the Dandys made all that amazing music and came out unscathed. Love love love their work, their music was just life saving (Rule Ok and Come Down kept me ok). For them to have made and keep making great music for 25ish years without it ruining their humanity... Cool. Thanks Zia.
A nice measured response. I love 'Dig!' so much and think it might be the greatest music documentary I've ever seen. I get what it's trying to do and can't really be measured alongside say, 'The Last Waltz' for all sorts of reasons. Still, it always makes me happy watching it.
@@MothGirl007 what a great thought provoking comment -- to discuss Dig and The Last Waltz in terms of content and motive. I agree-- they are both a different version of the same thing.....whatever that is....I'm not sure ....and neither are truthful -- both are staged, but at the same time, they are very different.. Compare and contrast? Naw - I'm done with college. -- great points.....well taken..... BTW, not to be a bummer, but any thoughts no Anton's meltdown in Melbourne last year?. Booze and crazy meds make you......crazier. He's been MIA since then, at least on social media, so I guess he'll miss the premier of "DIG XX" -- with 45 MORE minutes of footage left on the cutting room floor, and then it updates the film in some way. Wait -- you can't accurately or fairly update DIG XX without considering Anton's problems in Australia last year? That should've been in the "new and improved" DIG XX Version that is out. it was new, real and was ugly. Perhaps you've seen some of the footage - very sad. I think BJM is finally really dead. JMHO, but I do my research. Thanks.
I have watched Dig! and something interesting I noticed.....Mat Hollywood was always standing near Courtney and calling him out for using BJM for trying to look "cool," and then not paying them for things. Also, notice Mat standing near Courtney when he's complaining that his band never has fights like BJM and making light of it all as if it's a joke. I can see why that song, Not if you were the Last Dandy, was written.
Courtney's going "Why does cool stuff like this never happen to my band?" and you can see that when the trouble started he takes off his guitar, jumps off the stage and runs to the back of the hall to hide...that's why it never happens to his band.
This is bang on, while the later Dandy Warhols albums haven’t been brilliant, their first two were exceptional, as was the BJM’s ‘Methodrone’, and I was kind of disappointed that it wasn’t even meant in the film, although I doubt you could say more about it than ‘oh yeah anton made a great shoegaze album once’
I remember asking Matt Hollywood about dig when he rejoined the BJM and he gave a similar answer, basically yeah we did drugs back then but it wasn't everything.
Anton has talked about DIG in recent interviews - it's worth checking out. He owns al his music and has his own label so despite what we see in DiG he has gone on to do quite well telling the industry to screw off.
He hates the film, but loves the attention in brought to his band -- only he can never really say that without sounding hypocritical, Imo -- but after last fall's tour, who needs DIG XX? We already saw it LIVE in November. Sadly, in the end, booze and psychosis finally killed BJM. Now, I'm wondering where Anton is and if he's OK. Not a peep on social media since the last show.....peace out.
I think it was Courtney, that mentioned in dig that bjm would go on forever and be remembered and the daddy's wouldn't be remembered and that is kinda what happened
I Luv when she complained "I BUY ALL THE COKE !!! BUY EVERYBODY THE BEST CIGARETTES !!! Well at least i got to be in a Great band"😆 Looking back to the 90's when i was the same age as these guy (20's) Glade to see a lot of us made it out alive from the Rock N Roll lifestyle back then. Good Vibes 👣
I remember all the times I would try and kick cold Turkey I’d just lock myself in my room with gallons of water and oatmeal and just watch Dig! On repeat. Out of all media of I’ve ingested that documentary hits so many emotional strings when it is even mentioned to me.
"it's all about dysfunction" I didn't get that at all. I thought it was about the contrast between DW being all pro and successful and BJTM who couldn't get it together
exactly my take, probably just felt like that to Zia. And to whack loser type of music purists. "Never sell a song mannn. Why would you subject yourself to t-shirts brooo'.
I get what you mean; but I suppose there was a kind of subtext that JTM (well Anton at least) was the deep genius, rather than '2 genius' taking things in different directions or whatever.
This was a great doco , it showed how 2 bands took different paths , The Dandys took the corporate path to achieve success and BJM seemed to want to ""keep it real" ! BJM are without doubt one of the greatest bands of recent times .
My take on Dig! was almost the opposite of Zia's. I didn't think the film glorified Anton's disfunction, or portrayed him as any more legit an artist because of it. I thought the film showed two bands starting off as relative equals in talent, with one band succeeding and the other band "failing" because of that disfunction, with some luck involved because the Dandys benefitted from a television commercial and got off easy on the drugs. Ironically, the film has since tied the bands together in such a way that they are, once again, relatively equal in popularity on the road (though probably not in royalties).
I don't know what to think about this guy. Hes such a massive djckhead. But I posted a cover of me playing/singing "open heart surgery" on Instagram a few years ago (a shitty one) and Anton personally gave it a like.
Probably because it is a brilliant piece of pop culture in its own right. Even if it does cherry pick the dramatic portions of reality, it presents a compelling story, an interesting cast of characters, an engaging vibe, and some great music.
Actually the Dandys came off in the doc as the functional band as opposed to the BJM dysfunction, that much was obvious, the worst the Dandy's had to deal with was Courtney's fragile ego. Other than that Zia's wrong about that not being clear. It was just overshadowed a bit by the BJM drama.
yes, europe know better how to appreciate good music.....hendrix, bob marley and others made it big in europe first and because of that in the states...
I thought it was a captivating doc. Would be really interesting to do something similar based on the new confines/models/opportunities for current artists. I loved that aspect of DIG the most -- there is a lot of great music out there for audiences but not everyone is going to break big or maybe they will and its due to something no one would have ever expected (which I think BJM being included in intro to Boardwalk Empire which then led to thousands of rolling stones fans to say wow this band is pretty cool might classify as "unexpected")
As Courtney says in Dig!, “We’re the most well-adjusted band in America.” However, it’s slightly hypocritical to besmirch conflict and drama when you’re into Tiger King.
Oddly, I thought that the message of Dig! was the opposite of what Zia says here. I thought that the Dandy's - by standing in contrast Newcombe - were the heroes of the doc. In my opinion, they came off as both the better band AND the more responsible (which is to say, less self-centered) of the two acts. I found myself wondering throughout the whole thing why everyone in it kept deferring to Newcombe's "genius." If anything, I thought it was the story of a) someone who had potential, and who could have been a genius if he wasn't both convinced of his own genius himself and afraid of his own success, and b) the better band that ultimately outgrew him and left him behind.
I like the documentary and I especially liked it when I watched it. But now that I watch it later, I do notice that info timoner took some shortcuts. The narration is kind of cringe at times, with these hyperbolic oversimplified utterances. Which wouldn't have been so bad if they didn't have one of the subjects of the films doing the narration. And the timeline is very confusing because they basically stop showing the Brian jonestown massacre after a couple years. Yet they follow the dandy warhols into the turn of the century and beyond.
I've watched DIG a bunch of times, and I have to disagree with Zia's interpretation of the message. Sure, the BJM wrote some great songs, but the success arc of the Dandies was clearly evident by the end of the film, whereas Anton was left struggling in obscurity. I don't think the film did anything to glorify Anton or his lifestyle. That being said, I love both bands. I saw the Dandies about a decade ago and Zia gave me a hug after the show. Best night ever.
Every time I watch anything Dandy’s related Anton fan boys pop up in the comments to completely dismiss the music that the DW’s make and try to pretend the DW’s have fallen off the Earth and no one cares about them. Could you BE an a bigger gatekeeper Chad ??Sorry Anton worshippers BJM does their thing and so do the DW’s. They both kick ass and enjoy a large and loyal fan base. That kind of pretentious scenester attitude is exactly why I never try to keep with up what’s “ cool “ It’s the opposite of real creativity and the punk ethos that makes real subcultures so fun.
'Dig' was a riveting and sometimes sad behind the scenes look at the dynamics of two young bands trying to make it in the cutthroat and disingenuous music biz and how they dealt with the chew em up and spit em out world of record company's. But, I disagree with Mia's reaction to the doc...the Dandy's come across as far more responsible and mature than BJJM, especially Anton, who comes across as a talented yet self-indulgent and self-destructive 'Spinal Tap' type A-hole. On a happy note, I'm glad to see that both bands survived the R&R lifestyle and are still performing to this day...good for them...Rock On!
I I initially loved Dig- and introduced me to BJM and to a lesser extent the dandy’s (sorry dandies) what bothers me most is what she said about it not being totally realistic- also- how would you like to be filmed for 7 years by a trusted filmmaker- and the she uses mostly the worst stuff she can find - tho she says it could have been so much worse- Not for anton at the time- he brushes it off but he still talks about it - said once the film made him feel like a “cockroach “ in terms of personal hygiene and appearance- But the worst thing is that the film leaves watcher with impression that that was the end of BJM/ they probably faded awayX and of course anton MUST be dead- he went through a rough patch with alcohol and drug to self medicate his mental illness- as a soon as he began a new treatment in Berlin, he put the bottle down with no outside support that I’m aware of- and this is highly unusual for a true alcoholic- anyway, my theory is that he never had the disease of addiction in the first place - sure he partied hard- but the party was long gone by 2009 and he knew it. So Anton actually has never been more popular- or more relevant, Imo- It’s too bad some viewers will think he ended up a music casualty- That said, the film exposed him and the dandy’s- so it was a double edged sword Today I don’t like the movie and it’s great that there are now many BJM fans who’s first exposure WAS mot “Dig” - and they will probably love it too- Saw BJM last year and they only played two old songs- the ew ones Rock so hard and make you want to cry
Well no, she specifically said they were implying that they weren't real artists because they weren't dysfunctional enough. It was basically making an oversimplified comparison of BJM, the people that couldn't get their s*** together, versus the dandies, who were almost too corporate and boring. Her complaint as far as I could tell was not that the dandies were portrayed as dysfunctional but that they were being portrayed as boring because they weren't dysfunctional enough. But either way it was about dysfunction just on which side of the dysfunctional tracks you were on
I thought the documentary did an excellent job of showing how together the Dandy's are and I feel like this idea that only a tortured soul could make great music came directly from Courtney.
She loves him. Thinks he’s the greatest papa biden they call him. Courtney did a big ad for him talking about how sweet biden and and called him papa biden. Now that’s the most in-rock n roll sell out thing I ever saw a cool band so
Did they really make that much money? The music industry was bleeding artists back then, they were falling into debt making $500,000 videos. Don't get me wrong. They've had an admirable and long career, I just don't think they're sitting on bags of money.
I find it hilarious that everyone can still listen to antons music w.o remembering where it comes from. Would 100% of the time rather listen to the progenators of the bjm sound as opposed to bjm themselves because of the distraction. Anton drew from the greatest bands ever to make himself some 'great' music. But Anton is not Lou Reed nor is he on the selfawareness level of spaceman 3. I will listen to these bands before listening to antons music any day. The quote that bjm is the VU of the 90s is still a hilarious observation considering that 30 years later all they could muster was alot of VU/dylan/stones worship. With this said anton is still an extremely successful musician, i just don't understand after listening to him say so much stupid shit why it would seem his Lyrica have any meaning
Her being a 'liberal' is quite off-putting. And Dig! wasn't all about the Dandy's or Zia but much more about alone at the top mad genius Anton Newcombe. I'm sure Courtney Taylor vows for that.
Firstly, she said she was a ‘liberal parent’. Liberal, as an adjective for the type of parent she is-not how she votes! Lastly, how could you ever think she’d be anything but politically liberal??
Liberal is a vague term. I have very left wing politics and I am critical of contemporary liberalism from the left. Like Bernie Sanders and Lula do not have the same ideology as Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden or the hedge funds that support third way.. But either way, in this case I'm pretty sure she was referring to her parenting, not necessarily her political ideology. But a huge issue we have in this country is conservatives make no distinction between liberals and the left. As if people that were explicitly anti-capitalist, are on the same side as the HMOs that fund the Biden campaign? I'm sorry but this culture war stuff is not actually at the hub of the ideological struggle. The left wants economic justice primarily, and partisan Democrats in Washington and in the rich suburbs, don't even support a truly public single-payer healthcare. Biden's healthcare plan are to the right of netanyahu and every conservative government in the Oecd. But if you listen to Tim pool, you would think that anyone that isn't a movement conservative, is some part of some broadly defined woke liberal agenda. It's much more complicated than that
I think it was Courtney, that mentioned in dig that bjm would go on forever and be remembered and the daddy's wouldn't be remembered and that is kinda what happened
I love the doc and all the people in it, i love that the tambourine player ends up being the star of it all somehow
Joel Gion is a national treasure
@@f33fifofum Anton is the brains of the band
Joel added fun.
Dig.
@@joshnorton498 tambourine player from BJM, Joel Gion
@@CupofCloud Ahh. Maybe I should watch the documentary first.
The main impact of this doco was to launch BJM on the wider world. Anton is still making great music. The stuff he's done with Tess Parks is phenomenal. Can't think of anything any notable any of the Dandys have done recently.
This is exactly right. I'm surprised she thinks the doc could have made the Dandys look worse...because it makes them look pretty bad. And the prediction of the Dandys guitarist at the end of the film, something along the lines of "maybe everyone will forget about us but still be listening to BJM records decades from now," turned out to be very true.
I love the Dandys, they’re cool and fun and likeable. But without any question Anton‘s more troubled life has made him a much deeper and artistically more relevant artist. That still doesn’t mean that drugs make you more interesting. But I know about myself and many other people that the BJM substantially helped us through difficult times of our lives. And I don’t believe that as many people say that about the Dandys.
"She (her daughter) is not as impressed by me as most other people are."
Poor "other people." I' m not at all impressed by her. She's the Linda McCartney of TDW. To hear her call herself an artist is enough to make one vomit. She's not even a human being. She's a social role. An NPC. A cliche. In short, a nothing.
Anton - the guy NOBODY thought would live past 40, has continued to produce epic music. He weathered the storms and in the end is probably way cooler than the Dandys
@@jypsyjewels2854 Great comment. The Dandy's, well, the less said the better. They had their moment 25 years ago. Who cares how "well-adjusted" they are? Big deal.
Zia is very straightforward, funny and articulate. Great lady.
Zia is so honest, I would love to hear more than just about Dig, she is so much more.
The documentary has always been a moment in time for me. Hard to see any of it in a good or bad light
Cool perspective from Zia McCabe. Bravo. But, it must be said, that despite the 'Dig!'' portrayal of Anton as a junky psycho, he's gone on to become the consummate artist, with, arguably, one of deepest catalogues in American music.
His only problem is that hardly anyone has ever heard of him
@@greva2904 Yeah. It's a head-scratcher.
Not really. His hardcore fans evidently think he’s a lot better than everyone else does
@@greva2904 No, actually, I do think it's a head scratcher. Whatever 'everyone else' thinks doesn't concern him. Haters can hate. That's their prerogative. Life goes on. Meanwhile, Anton produces at a higher clip than pretty much 'everyone else'.
‘Haters can hate’
That must explain why many BJM fans seem to spend most of their time trawling CZcams for Dandy Warhols vids so they can slag off the Dandy’s for Anton’s greater glory.
I don’t understand it myself, but being a BJM fan seems to mean you get your kicks sticking it to the Dandy’s ad infinitum. Weird.
I just watched the documentary. Loved the BJM for years, but it got me into the Dandy Warholes. I must say, they are brilliant. Currently sifting through their albums. I must say, Zia is a smoking hottie. Good moves and good vibes girl. 😎
Joel is also Mr cool.
Grateful that the Dandys made all that amazing music and came out unscathed. Love love love their work, their music was just life saving (Rule Ok and Come Down kept me ok). For them to have made and keep making great music for 25ish years without it ruining their humanity... Cool. Thanks Zia.
A nice measured response. I love 'Dig!' so much and think it might be the greatest music documentary I've ever seen. I get what it's trying to do and can't really be measured alongside say, 'The Last Waltz' for all sorts of reasons. Still, it always makes me happy watching it.
It's not truthful though, so it's deeply flawed because of that.
@@MothGirl007 what a great thought provoking comment -- to discuss Dig and The Last Waltz in terms of content and motive. I agree-- they are both a different version of the same thing.....whatever that is....I'm not sure ....and neither are truthful -- both are staged, but at the same time, they are very different.. Compare and contrast? Naw - I'm done with college. -- great points.....well taken.....
BTW, not to be a bummer, but any thoughts no Anton's meltdown in Melbourne last year?. Booze and crazy meds make you......crazier. He's been MIA since then, at least on social media, so I guess he'll miss the premier of "DIG XX" -- with 45 MORE minutes of footage left on the cutting room floor, and then it updates the film in some way. Wait -- you can't accurately or fairly update DIG XX without considering Anton's problems in Australia last year? That should've been in the "new and improved" DIG XX Version that is out. it was new, real and was ugly. Perhaps you've seen some of the footage - very sad. I think BJM is finally really dead. JMHO, but I do my research. Thanks.
That documentary was great! My best friend loved BJM. I fell in love with both bands!
I have watched Dig! and something interesting I noticed.....Mat Hollywood was always standing near Courtney and calling him out for using BJM for trying to look "cool," and then not paying them for things. Also, notice Mat standing near Courtney when he's complaining that his band never has fights like BJM and making light of it all as if it's a joke. I can see why that song, Not if you were the Last Dandy, was written.
Courtney's going "Why does cool stuff like this never happen to my band?" and you can see that when the trouble started he takes off his guitar, jumps off the stage and runs to the back of the hall to hide...that's why it never happens to his band.
Great documentary wish more was shown in terms of recording and more about the music bjm on 1995-1996, Dandys also great watch dig like every month
This is bang on, while the later Dandy Warhols albums haven’t been brilliant, their first two were exceptional, as was the BJM’s ‘Methodrone’, and I was kind of disappointed that it wasn’t even meant in the film, although I doubt you could say more about it than ‘oh yeah anton made a great shoegaze album once’
I remember asking Matt Hollywood about dig when he rejoined the BJM and he gave a similar answer, basically yeah we did drugs back then but it wasn't everything.
OMG this is adorable. You saw Dig for the first time in 2020 welcome to the club!
😂I know right
Anton has talked about DIG in recent interviews - it's worth checking out. He owns al his music and has his own label so despite what we see in DiG he has gone on to do quite well telling the industry to screw off.
He hates the film, but loves the attention in brought to his band -- only he can never really say that without sounding hypocritical, Imo -- but after last fall's tour, who needs DIG XX? We already saw it LIVE in November. Sadly, in the end, booze and psychosis finally killed BJM. Now, I'm wondering where Anton is and if he's OK. Not a peep on social media since the last show.....peace out.
@@jgwire Last I heard he had open heart surgery at some point after the tour collapsed.
Ah, a reminder of my two and a half decade crush on Zia McCabe. As awesome as ever.
SAME
I love the fact that one of my favourite people in one of my favourite bands is cool,af
I think it was Courtney, that mentioned in dig that bjm would go on forever and be remembered and the daddy's wouldn't be remembered and that is kinda what happened
I Luv when she complained "I BUY ALL THE COKE !!! BUY EVERYBODY THE BEST CIGARETTES !!! Well at least i got to be in a Great band"😆 Looking back to the 90's when i was the same age as these guy (20's) Glade to see a lot of us made it out alive from the Rock N Roll lifestyle back then. Good Vibes 👣
Yep. No more matching powder for us doc. We’re too old and no desires. We keep the fighting spirit tho. We are Gen X
Zia is such an awesome human
I remember all the times I would try and kick cold Turkey I’d just lock myself in my room with gallons of water and oatmeal and just watch Dig! On repeat. Out of all media of I’ve ingested that documentary hits so many emotional strings when it is even mentioned to me.
"it's all about dysfunction" I didn't get that at all. I thought it was about the contrast between DW being all pro and successful and BJTM who couldn't get it together
exactly my take, probably just felt like that to Zia. And to whack loser type of music purists. "Never sell a song mannn. Why would you subject yourself to t-shirts brooo'.
And Anton Newcmbe's insane jealousy.
@@mitchellbaker9434 haha true, and Courtney’s jealousy of Anton’s flawed genius.
its obvious that they could have been a major hit on european festivals as well, just like the dandies were....
I get what you mean; but I suppose there was a kind of subtext that JTM (well Anton at least) was the deep genius, rather than '2 genius' taking things in different directions or whatever.
This was a great doco , it showed how 2 bands took different paths , The Dandys took the corporate path to achieve success and BJM seemed to want to ""keep it real" ! BJM are without doubt one of the greatest bands of recent times .
I swear this is one of the coolest chicks on the planet......
My take on Dig! was almost the opposite of Zia's. I didn't think the film glorified Anton's disfunction, or portrayed him as any more legit an artist because of it. I thought the film showed two bands starting off as relative equals in talent, with one band succeeding and the other band "failing" because of that disfunction, with some luck involved because the Dandys benefitted from a television commercial and got off easy on the drugs. Ironically, the film has since tied the bands together in such a way that they are, once again, relatively equal in popularity on the road (though probably not in royalties).
Agreed. On Spotify BJM has 800k listeners and DW had 1.5m. Same ballpark really. Both impressive number.
i think it showed the Dandy's true side.
Anton wasn't more legit than them because he lived a rock'n'roll lifestyle, he was more legit because he made way better music.
I don't know what to think about this guy. Hes such a massive djckhead. But I posted a cover of me playing/singing "open heart surgery" on Instagram a few years ago (a shitty one) and Anton personally gave it a like.
why do people still ask about Dig! ? good response Zia ! always so graceful and polite. very articulate and generous - thanks Zia !! xx
Probably because it is a brilliant piece of pop culture in its own right. Even if it does cherry pick the dramatic portions of reality, it presents a compelling story, an interesting cast of characters, an engaging vibe, and some great music.
Actually the Dandys came off in the doc as the functional band as opposed to the BJM dysfunction, that much was obvious, the worst the Dandy's had to deal with was Courtney's fragile ego. Other than that Zia's wrong about that not being clear. It was just overshadowed a bit by the BJM drama.
yes, europe know better how to appreciate good music.....hendrix, bob marley and others made it big in europe first and because of that in the states...
I thought it was a captivating doc. Would be really interesting to do something similar based on the new confines/models/opportunities for current artists. I loved that aspect of DIG the most -- there is a lot of great music out there for audiences but not everyone is going to break big or maybe they will and its due to something no one would have ever expected (which I think BJM being included in intro to Boardwalk Empire which then led to thousands of rolling stones fans to say wow this band is pretty cool might classify as "unexpected")
just watched it, too cool!
A very pert pair …. Thanks , Zia !
As Courtney says in Dig!, “We’re the most well-adjusted band in America.” However, it’s slightly hypocritical to besmirch conflict and drama when you’re into Tiger King.
Brilliant Documentary Dig! Anton is funny af
The Goofus and Gallant band rivalry. BJM bad crowd, Dandy goodies. Great doc and worth watching.
Zia is stoned.
Doesn't matter. The BJM area the greatest band in the last 25 years!
Oddly, I thought that the message of Dig! was the opposite of what Zia says here. I thought that the Dandy's - by standing in contrast Newcombe - were the heroes of the doc. In my opinion, they came off as both the better band AND the more responsible (which is to say, less self-centered) of the two acts. I found myself wondering throughout the whole thing why everyone in it kept deferring to Newcombe's "genius." If anything, I thought it was the story of a) someone who had potential, and who could have been a genius if he wasn't both convinced of his own genius himself and afraid of his own success, and b) the better band that ultimately outgrew him and left him behind.
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I like the documentary and I especially liked it when I watched it. But now that I watch it later, I do notice that info timoner took some shortcuts. The narration is kind of cringe at times, with these hyperbolic oversimplified utterances. Which wouldn't have been so bad if they didn't have one of the subjects of the films doing the narration.
And the timeline is very confusing because they basically stop showing the Brian jonestown massacre after a couple years. Yet they follow the dandy warhols into the turn of the century and beyond.
I've watched DIG a bunch of times, and I have to disagree with Zia's interpretation of the message. Sure, the BJM wrote some great songs, but the success arc of the Dandies was clearly evident by the end of the film, whereas Anton was left struggling in obscurity. I don't think the film did anything to glorify Anton or his lifestyle. That being said, I love both bands. I saw the Dandies about a decade ago and Zia gave me a hug after the show. Best night ever.
Dandy’s were cringe back then. Nice to see they are keeping the tradition alive.
Every time I watch anything Dandy’s related Anton fan boys pop up in the comments to completely dismiss the music that the DW’s make and try to pretend the DW’s have fallen off the Earth and no one cares about them. Could you BE an a bigger gatekeeper Chad ??Sorry Anton worshippers BJM does their thing and so do the DW’s. They both kick ass and enjoy a large and loyal fan base. That kind of pretentious scenester attitude is exactly why I never try to keep with up what’s “ cool “
It’s the opposite of real creativity and the punk ethos that makes real subcultures so fun.
'Dig' was a riveting and sometimes sad behind the scenes look at the dynamics of two young bands trying to make it in the cutthroat and disingenuous music biz and how they dealt with the chew em up and spit em out world of record company's. But, I disagree with Mia's reaction to the doc...the Dandy's come across as far more responsible and mature than BJJM, especially Anton, who comes across as a talented yet self-indulgent and self-destructive 'Spinal Tap' type A-hole. On a happy note, I'm glad to see that both bands survived the R&R lifestyle and are still performing to this day...good for them...Rock On!
I I initially loved Dig- and introduced me to BJM and to a lesser extent the dandy’s (sorry dandies) what bothers me most is what she said about it not being totally realistic- also- how would you like to be filmed for 7 years by a trusted filmmaker- and the she uses mostly the worst stuff she can find - tho she says it could have been so much worse-
Not for anton at the time- he brushes it off but he still talks about it - said once the film made him feel like a “cockroach “ in terms of personal hygiene and appearance-
But the worst thing is that the film leaves watcher with impression that that was the end of BJM/ they probably faded awayX and of course anton MUST be dead- he went through a rough patch with alcohol and drug to self medicate his mental illness- as a soon as he began a new treatment in Berlin, he put the bottle down with no outside support that I’m aware of- and this is highly unusual for a true alcoholic- anyway, my theory is that he never had the disease of addiction in the first place - sure he partied hard- but the party was long gone by 2009 and he knew it.
So Anton actually has never been more popular- or more relevant, Imo-
It’s too bad some viewers will think he ended up a music casualty-
That said, the film exposed him and the dandy’s- so it was a double edged sword
Today I don’t like the movie and it’s great that there are now many BJM fans who’s first exposure WAS mot “Dig” - and they will probably love it too-
Saw BJM last year and they only played two old songs- the ew ones Rock so hard and make you want to cry
i wonder how long it's been sine SHE saw it, because it didn't show the Dandys as being dysfunctional at all? only BJM were shown to be dysfunctional
Well no, she specifically said they were implying that they weren't real artists because they weren't dysfunctional enough.
It was basically making an oversimplified comparison of BJM, the people that couldn't get their s*** together, versus the dandies, who were almost too corporate and boring.
Her complaint as far as I could tell was not that the dandies were portrayed as dysfunctional but that they were being portrayed as boring because they weren't dysfunctional enough.
But either way it was about dysfunction just on which side of the dysfunctional tracks you were on
She looks great
What I like of dig is the fact that it seems a mockumentary. Bjm are terrible, they don't know how to to tune a guitar, but they ae😢 natural comedians
she has a big girl job now working in real estate lol!
Works for Democratic politics.
Very grounded individuals. They Garage Rock!
This documentary is basically the real version of Spinal Tap. Anton and Courtney are the most arrogant unlikable people on the planet...
That’s boring of you. They are both entertaining.
I thought the documentary did an excellent job of showing how together the Dandy's are and I feel like this idea that only a tortured soul could make great music came directly from Courtney.
I prefer The Dandies music all day vs derivative BJM
Zia.
What do you think of the president 2023?
She loves him. Thinks he’s the greatest papa biden they call him. Courtney did a big ad for him talking about how sweet biden and and called him papa biden. Now that’s the most in-rock n roll sell out thing I ever saw a cool band so
And where are the dandys now ????
Case closed.
grown up, married with kids, and presumably sitting on huge bags of money
Did they really make that much money? The music industry was bleeding artists back then, they were falling into debt making $500,000 videos.
Don't get me wrong. They've had an admirable and long career, I just don't think they're sitting on bags of money.
Still touring every year selling out large venues in London like Brixton Academy and Paris like the L'Olympia and Australia.
I find it hilarious that everyone can still listen to antons music w.o remembering where it comes from. Would 100% of the time rather listen to the progenators of the bjm sound as opposed to bjm themselves because of the distraction. Anton drew from the greatest bands ever to make himself some 'great' music. But Anton is not Lou Reed nor is he on the selfawareness level of spaceman 3. I will listen to these bands before listening to antons music any day. The quote that bjm is the VU of the 90s is still a hilarious observation considering that 30 years later all they could muster was alot of VU/dylan/stones worship. With this said anton is still an extremely successful musician, i just don't understand after listening to him say so much stupid shit why it would seem his Lyrica have any meaning
Listen to his two newest albums, dude.
your still very concinnous....
PHONEY!
An exploitive documentary, sadly.
Her being a 'liberal' is quite off-putting. And Dig! wasn't all about the Dandy's or Zia but much more about alone at the top mad genius Anton Newcombe. I'm sure Courtney Taylor vows for that.
Yeah, and I'm sure Anton is a Trump supporter? (sarcasm) What the fuck has liberal got to do with anything?
Firstly, she said she was a ‘liberal parent’. Liberal, as an adjective for the type of parent she is-not how she votes!
Lastly, how could you ever think she’d be anything but politically liberal??
Everyone in the film is "liberal".
HOW DID OL TRUMPY WORK OUT FOR YOU???? TRAITOR
Liberal is a vague term. I have very left wing politics and I am critical of contemporary liberalism from the left. Like Bernie Sanders and Lula do not have the same ideology as Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden or the hedge funds that support third way..
But either way, in this case I'm pretty sure she was referring to her parenting, not necessarily her political ideology.
But a huge issue we have in this country is conservatives make no distinction between liberals and the left. As if people that were explicitly anti-capitalist, are on the same side as the HMOs that fund the Biden campaign?
I'm sorry but this culture war stuff is not actually at the hub of the ideological struggle. The left wants economic justice primarily, and partisan Democrats in Washington and in the rich suburbs, don't even support a truly public single-payer healthcare.
Biden's healthcare plan are to the right of netanyahu and every conservative government in the Oecd.
But if you listen to Tim pool, you would think that anyone that isn't a movement conservative, is some part of some broadly defined woke liberal agenda.
It's much more complicated than that
Hamas supporter
Give it back is a masterpiece.
Dandys are boring .
she should hold off on the interviews..... just play the music and quit being a philosopher
Band members do interviews. Every band ever. Part of the job when you're asked you do it.
LIberal democrats
TRAITOR LOSER
Full on. Paid off.
Wish Trump was back
Dandy's just aren't as good - it's got nothing to do with romanticising dysfunctional behaviour.
no comparison at all, both bands are equally as amazing in their different ways and yeah I fancied Zia too
@@mikenorledge4110 Yes I was comparing, and one is nowhere near as good as thee other. I certainly do not fancy Zia
Two things can be true at the same time. I think BJM is the better band, but I also think the documentary was grotesquically oversimplified.
BJM isn't really a band, its one guy with rotating musicians for 25 years. @@michaelcorcoran8768
I think it was Courtney, that mentioned in dig that bjm would go on forever and be remembered and the daddy's wouldn't be remembered and that is kinda what happened
Peter holmsrtron, the guitarist, I'm pretty sure is the one that said that in the movie.