The reason why Jon Jones said the Muay Thai clinch is "a wrestling no no" is because of the grip. Look at his hands as he explains. In Greco Roman, that's the first thing thing they tell you. You do not clinch someone like that because it is very easy to escape from that grip. Greco Roman favors the "S-Grip" which is used for almost everything, even when they warm up doing drills. The Gut Wrench, a Suplex, Selto's, waist locks, they all favor the "S-Grip" or the "Gable Grip" if it's Freestyle. One of the takedown's that becomes available from the Muay Thai clinch is the "waste lock go behind" or "the waist lock underhook" Both of which can be used to set up or switch right into a suplex. He could also use the Hip Toss or the Duck Under into a High Dive.
That's true. I've wrestled with national Greco champs and the clinch is insane compared to a guy who just trains freestyle. However obviously they sometimes aren't as good at leg attacks.
MemoTraining You are not allowed to attack the legs in Greco-Roman. Even on the ground, Greco-Roman wrestlers have to find a way to pin the opponent without grabbing the legs. This is also why their grip and clinches are so powerful and why they are the masters of the suplex. There are a lot of suplexes in Greco-Roman that are done right from the ground.
Pikkon89 YEs thanks, I know I'm a Greco guy myself. That's why I said obviously they sometimes aren't good at leg attacks talking about when they do MMA.
I've trained freestyle and had recreational matchups with a few Greco roman wrestler, i can't talk about Muay thai i've never faced one, but the greco roman wrestlers were fucking explosive in the clinch incredidly strong the strongest i've been up against.
The thing is that what he said glossed over a lot of muay Thai. It is as much of a tradition and way of being as Greco, and if you don't know much about it, don't insult it. After all, someone can say Greco Roman is nothing but running at someone and picking them up, the same way the clinch is just a couple knees and elbows.
@@SwordTune yeah but in greco you basically fight the whole time clinching, there is also par terre but the fight takes place mostly in the clinch. On the other hand in muay thai you mostly fight striking from the feet without necessarily engage in the clinch, i mean there are legends such as buakaw or saenchai who mastered it but i feel like the greco clinch is just on another level as it trains you to control and dominate your opponent from head to waist starting from a standing position.
@@kmosou7391 Of course grappling from a grappling art Is Better. The point Is that thai clinch Is much more complex AND strikes change the clinching game. If you want to grapple, greco Is superior, that Is a given. But you should not think thai clinch Is not great, or that you only have to worry about a couple of knees or elbows.
Yes, ONE of the fundamental positions for the Thai clinch is as Jones described, but there is a lot more to it than that. There seems to be some misinformation in the mma world, among some people, about pure Muay Thai. I understand that Greco Roman may be more detailed cos it focuses purely on wrestling, but train clinch in Thailand and you'll learn a lot of different techniques that include Greco Roman style throws takedowns. I'm surprised Jones would show such bias on the topic.
Such is the difference between a mixed martial artist who has a basic understanding of virtually all techinques, and a true, legitimate specialist, ala Darren Till.
I hope this is sarcasm lol.... that wasnt articulate at all and completely false, muay thai has thousands of years of history and culture behind it... to say greco is a way of life and a style and muay thai is not is very very stupid thing to say. He then simplified the entire are of muay thai to elbows and knees we have sweeps in muay thai as well more than 40
@@synysterallen “thousands of years” can you cite a source? Given the first Thai capital of Sukothai was built in 1238 I imagine you’re being extremely hyperbolic and stating your unfounded opinions rather than referring to any actual verifiable evidence.
The thing about pure Muay Thai clinch vs a pure wrestling clinch is that in wrestling clinches you never train striking. Look at wrestling clinches, in a lot of situations, your head is bent low, you are often in a position to eat knees. I remember one time when I was sparring, my training partner spun around and I clinched him. His body was bent down low, almost like how wrestling clinches often end up. My Muay Thai coach broke us up and warned him that he would have been in "knee central" had it been a real fight. It would have. Honestly, in a no rules fight, a Muay Thai fighter would have a significant advantage over a pure wrestling clincher because a wrestler does not train against strikes in the clinch and some of his techniques can be neutralized by Muay Thai's own grappling, however, not an unbeatable advantage. Like Jon said, a wrestler has a far greater arsenal of grappling moves and throws. Although a Muay Thai fighter will be trained well in some throws and sweeps, the wrestler will have a better training in these techniques, as well, as some new ones to bring to the table. Instead of talking about style vs style here, we should talk about what each style can learn from the other to form the ultimate clinch game.
THEY ARE NOT COMPARING WRESTLING CLINCH AND MUAY THAI CLINCH. They are comparing greco-roman wrestling clinch and muay thai clinch, and greco does not allow lower body take downs
But even freestyle wrestling could probably beat muay thai in a clinch battle regardless of knees being allowed. When going for most leg attacks, you head is in the outside where "knee central" would never touch you. The sparring partner is definitely not an actual wrestler, probably watched to many ufc fights.
The head is always up in Greco, or you will be front headlocked easily. There are some short guys with strong necks who score easily giving someone their head, but the head needs to stay up in Greco, especially on Underhooks.
Ben F, clearly you have no idea of different styles of wrestling. In Greco-Roman wrestling, no-one will lower their head down, as leg attacks and other lower-body attacks are not allowed to begin with. Your partner must have been a Freestyle wrestler, or most likely, as BrainsVsNuts pointed out, not a wrestler at all.
Thai clinch, since the last century only, is what it is because of the rules set. Remember, you can't hip throw in Muay Thai, you can't hook with the leg to make him fall back, you can't sweep using the bottom of the foot, you can't lift the opponent, you can't go for the legs (yes even with knees allowed it's possible with proper timing), etc. If you remove those rules, the Muay Thai clinch will quickly face the need for adjustments and won't look like anything like that anymore. As fact, Muay Boran clinch used to be completely different, similar to those greco/senegalese/etc. wrestling styles. Rules are the only thing that distinguish styles.
@boxingworks you make a great point... but, unlike this small minute clip, Jones usually talks about how he is always improving his Muay Thai. I would've loved this fight to have come down to Greco vs. Muay Thai... C'est la vie.
old school muay thai had throws and slams so its clinch was different than how they practice the style today...MT got nerfed by modern athletic commissions because they were only used to officiating boxing
In wrestling if you try to use a thai clinch you can be thrown easily thats why he said that. By the way when Jones threw Bonnar he had and inside collar tie up like used in the clinch with only his right hand. With his left arm he had an overhook so it was still wrestling because in wrestling you try to control their head using a single collar grip on the neck. With a greco roman clinch you can press a guy up against the fence and strike in mma.
James Sowers no I'm a former wrestler and a Thai boxer and did Muay Thai first and when I wrestled I used Muay Thai sweeps and dumps to take the guy down and in the Muay Thai clinch your elbows are one the guys chest so he can go for a good duble leg or body lock
i believe if muay thai clinchs with a wrestler, wrestler wins. However, if you clinch knees right you can easily finish an opponent standing up or to create additional openings for more strikes to land.
So that time he threw Bonnar to the mat with a Muay Thai clinch throw doesn't count as a takedown from the Muay Thai clinch? I think Mr. Jones is tellin' fibs. I think the Thai clinch has more threats than just elbows and knees. Not to knock on Greco Roman Wrestling but the last time I checked you can't strike in that sport. I believe both styles are equal as far as whose using it knows how to use it.
Also Muay Thai is a tradition also. Traditional Muay Thai has techniques in it that far surpass just the run of the mill techniques and strikes you see on tv, I think people should know that.
Bones has it good if they are on the outside hes in his range if they are on the inside they are in his range and if they are in-between his elbows are so freakin long his still in his range!
Muay Thai fighters will not use the clinch unless the opponent is softened up and they will often kneel first clinch and knee again . Thai fighters use throws similar to Greco wrestling.
That's very true. They are both just one technique for each style. What I'm saying to add on to that is there is takedowns for each style in their own clinches. The effectiveness of each clinch depends on the person's clinch knowledge. I just disagree with Jon when he said the Thai clinch is a wrestling "No,no." because you can wrestle a takedown in the Thai clinch. In Greco striking is not allowed. Is say the Thai clinch is more versatile in mma than the Greco clinch cuz of the striking aspect
Damn Right Bros about Greco but What would you say if you were acquainted with Catch as Catch wrestling Clinch and Takedowns ? In Catch you have numerous takedowns from Clinch .
It’s interesting to see this cuz I never realized I’m using Greco Roman wrestling skills in my clinch until now especially with the grips and framing interesting
That's where most people get it wrong. Thai clinch is almost a martial art on its own, it's definitely not just "one technique " It's all about arm positioning and balance and leg trips and sneaky elbows when expecting a knee, or a devastating knee while expecting an elbow or a quick dump when expecting something else
Muay Thai clinch covers like 80% of what is in mma, punches, knees, elbows & some trips wrestling is just wrestling on its own it’s like boxing or Taekwondo they can only do 1 thing
Forget greco for a second, and think of freestyle someone gets the muay thai clinch on freestyle guy the wrestlers attacks are increased tenfold, but never underestimate the thai clinch only takes a couple knees to your ribs to fuck you up. All a wrestler has to do though is smother then smash.
Well - Jon Jones is right in one aspect: in a Thai clinch, you have no "washer" - i.e. no arm to keep a tight lock. In a Greco clinch, if it is around the head, you have an arm, always, which allows for far more control. The reason many fighters get kneed from the Thai clinch is because they allow their heads to be pulled down. This actually shouldn't happen as easily as it does, being the head is actually loose. That being said, a Thai clinch can be a bad position to be in!
I'm not sure of what you're talking about but apparently you don't know the Thai clinch very well , just like JJ in the video. Thai clinch is all about standing straight with your neck and find better general and mostly arm positioning to throw knees without getting timed and dumped, to land or to defend sneaky elbows, and getting the opponent as exhausted as you can while trying to stay as relaxed as you can. It's almost a martial art on its own and has many more positions and techniques than most MMA people know.
Do any experience greco guys in here no some of the throws you can use against the thai clinch? if so please message me. I'm dying to find out what 40 throws Jones is talking about?
Snap down to set up an elbow pass, to either a collar tie throw by or body lock with a step around. By that point you can send them sailing for 5 any way you’d like
The hell are you talking about? A single collar tie is effective in wrestling because you have one hand to defend your legs, if both your hand are on the head what is going to stop your opponent from getting to your legs? Nothing.
They actually work together nicely since in Greco u also use a very upright posture, and u can chain all the Thai elbows, knees and sweeps with Greco underhook/overhook and takedowns
Jon Jones is arguably one of the greatest to ever enter the octagon, regardless of his personal misadventures. For anyone in this comment section to question his expertise on this topic is laughable. Maybe if you achieve a quarter of his success you can tell me all about it.
No one is questioning his skill or knowledge, but he does lack appreciation for the skill and knowledge of others who spend their whole lives in the clinch range. No matter who you are, you don't get to just ignore skills like that. The best muay thai fighters did it from the age they could walk, it's second nature. That is a whole style and tradition, one that is more complex and dangerous and two knees and elbows.
Spin & Fly Guy "he's the greatest fighter therefore he knows everything about martial arts , so whatever he says must be true". There's so much that's logically fallacious with your statement.
@toad33332 going with the fact that if Sonnen can out wrestle the shit out of Silva,Jones would man handle him, plus his ground and pound is probs the best around, thats where Im going
@anderson12ization mate im not sayin theres no chance jones would win but jones wouldnt win lol you forget and im not making excuses but silva had 3 broken ribs during his fight with sonnen
@toad33332 lol Jones has better BJJ than sonnen,better ground and pound that sonnen,bigger than sonnen and more explosive.Sonnen out wrestled Silva,but yh he got submitted,but would Jones get submitted,I doubt it
jones vs sonnen,jones all the way.sonnen only knows how to take down the opponents and silvas wrestling was really bad thats why he got dominated.but jones is a wrestler with outstanding standup and really good jiujitsu.so jones all the way.
Except that it is neither Greco nor Roman. This is traditional french wrestling for fun and fairies, that was renamed to satisfy raising interest in Olympic games in 19 century
ok just soo everyone knows...i train at the WAT. i see jon jones training all the time. his muay thai is ....OK. its not all that. he gets away alot honestly because of his physical attributes. so dont think too much into his info on this stuff
The reason why Jon Jones said the Muay Thai clinch is "a wrestling no no" is because of the grip. Look at his hands as he explains. In Greco Roman, that's the first thing thing they tell you. You do not clinch someone like that because it is very easy to escape from that grip. Greco Roman favors the "S-Grip" which is used for almost everything, even when they warm up doing drills. The Gut Wrench, a Suplex, Selto's, waist locks, they all favor the "S-Grip" or the "Gable Grip" if it's Freestyle. One of the takedown's that becomes available from the Muay Thai clinch is the "waste lock go behind" or "the waist lock underhook" Both of which can be used to set up or switch right into a suplex. He could also use the Hip Toss or the Duck Under into a High Dive.
That's true. I've wrestled with national Greco champs and the clinch is insane compared to a guy who just trains freestyle. However obviously they sometimes aren't as good at leg attacks.
But I guess depends on the wrestler.
MemoTraining
You are not allowed to attack the legs in Greco-Roman. Even on the ground, Greco-Roman wrestlers have to find a way to pin the opponent without grabbing the legs. This is also why their grip and clinches are so powerful and why they are the masters of the suplex. There are a lot of suplexes in Greco-Roman that are done right from the ground.
Pikkon89 YEs thanks, I know I'm a Greco guy myself. That's why I said obviously they sometimes aren't good at leg attacks talking about when they do MMA.
Pikkon89
I've trained freestyle and had recreational matchups with a few Greco roman wrestler, i can't talk about Muay thai i've never faced one, but the greco roman wrestlers were fucking explosive in the clinch incredidly strong the strongest i've been up against.
I am greco roman wrestler myself and i appreciate what you've said not a lot of people respect the sport as a whole especially greco
The thing is that what he said glossed over a lot of muay Thai. It is as much of a tradition and way of being as Greco, and if you don't know much about it, don't insult it. After all, someone can say Greco Roman is nothing but running at someone and picking them up, the same way the clinch is just a couple knees and elbows.
@@SwordTune yeah but in greco you basically fight the whole time clinching, there is also par terre but the fight takes place mostly in the clinch. On the other hand in muay thai you mostly fight striking from the feet without necessarily engage in the clinch, i mean there are legends such as buakaw or saenchai who mastered it but i feel like the greco clinch is just on another level as it trains you to control and dominate your opponent from head to waist starting from a standing position.
@@kmosou7391 Of course grappling from a grappling art Is Better. The point Is that thai clinch Is much more complex AND strikes change the clinching game. If you want to grapple, greco Is superior, that Is a given. But you should not think thai clinch Is not great, or that you only have to worry about a couple of knees or elbows.
Was the match you had with the greco wrestler under greco rules or freestyle rules?
Yes, ONE of the fundamental positions for the Thai clinch is as Jones described, but there is a lot more to it than that. There seems to be some misinformation in the mma world, among some people, about pure Muay Thai. I understand that Greco Roman may be more detailed cos it focuses purely on wrestling, but train clinch in Thailand and you'll learn a lot of different techniques that include Greco Roman style throws takedowns. I'm surprised Jones would show such bias on the topic.
Most of those throws are purely kicks to the leg and the like (not in greco)
Greco has hundreds of slams and takedowns
Such is the difference between a mixed martial artist who has a basic understanding of virtually all techinques, and a true, legitimate specialist, ala Darren Till.
Last Gasps elaborate
bluemrgeniuss He was basically speaking on what works more for him.
Last Gasps Jacere Souza as well
he is so thoughtful man, its scary
Don´t know if its scary, but it adds to explain why he´s so good.
I hope this is sarcasm lol.... that wasnt articulate at all and completely false, muay thai has thousands of years of history and culture behind it... to say greco is a way of life and a style and muay thai is not is very very stupid thing to say. He then simplified the entire are of muay thai to elbows and knees we have sweeps in muay thai as well more than 40
@@synysterallen “thousands of years” can you cite a source? Given the first Thai capital of Sukothai was built in 1238 I imagine you’re being extremely hyperbolic and stating your unfounded opinions rather than referring to any actual verifiable evidence.
Great interview, great answer
The thing about pure Muay Thai clinch vs a pure wrestling clinch is that in wrestling clinches you never train striking. Look at wrestling clinches, in a lot of situations, your head is bent low, you are often in a position to eat knees. I remember one time when I was sparring, my training partner spun around and I clinched him. His body was bent down low, almost like how wrestling clinches often end up. My Muay Thai coach broke us up and warned him that he would have been in "knee central" had it been a real fight. It would have. Honestly, in a no rules fight, a Muay Thai fighter would have a significant advantage over a pure wrestling clincher because a wrestler does not train against strikes in the clinch and some of his techniques can be neutralized by Muay Thai's own grappling, however, not an unbeatable advantage. Like Jon said, a wrestler has a far greater arsenal of grappling moves and throws. Although a Muay Thai fighter will be trained well in some throws and sweeps, the wrestler will have a better training in these techniques, as well, as some new ones to bring to the table. Instead of talking about style vs style here, we should talk about what each style can learn from the other to form the ultimate clinch game.
THEY ARE NOT COMPARING WRESTLING CLINCH AND MUAY THAI CLINCH. They are comparing greco-roman wrestling clinch and muay thai clinch, and greco does not allow lower body take downs
But even freestyle wrestling could probably beat muay thai in a clinch battle regardless of knees being allowed. When going for most leg attacks, you head is in the outside where "knee central" would never touch you. The sparring partner is definitely not an actual wrestler, probably watched to many ufc fights.
The head is always up in Greco, or you will be front headlocked easily. There are some short guys with strong necks who score easily giving someone their head, but the head needs to stay up in Greco, especially on Underhooks.
Ben F, clearly you have no idea of different styles of wrestling. In Greco-Roman wrestling, no-one will lower their head down, as leg attacks and other lower-body attacks are not allowed to begin with. Your partner must have been a Freestyle wrestler, or most likely, as BrainsVsNuts pointed out, not a wrestler at all.
Yup. That pretty much sums it up.
He definitely doesn't go over the nuances of muay Thai. He's not wrong, neither is he wholly correct.
Thai clinch, since the last century only, is what it is because of the rules set. Remember, you can't hip throw in Muay Thai, you can't hook with the leg to make him fall back, you can't sweep using the bottom of the foot, you can't lift the opponent, you can't go for the legs (yes even with knees allowed it's possible with proper timing), etc. If you remove those rules, the Muay Thai clinch will quickly face the need for adjustments and won't look like anything like that anymore. As fact, Muay Boran clinch used to be completely different, similar to those greco/senegalese/etc. wrestling styles. Rules are the only thing that distinguish styles.
@boxingworks you make a great point... but, unlike this small minute clip, Jones usually talks about how he is always improving his Muay Thai. I would've loved this fight to have come down to Greco vs. Muay Thai... C'est la vie.
old school muay thai had throws and slams so its clinch was different than how they practice the style today...MT got nerfed by modern athletic commissions because they were only used to officiating boxing
i agree. greco produces the toughest men.
In wrestling if you try to use a thai clinch you can be thrown easily thats why he said that. By the way when Jones threw Bonnar he had and inside collar tie up like used in the clinch with only his right hand. With his left arm he had an overhook so it was still wrestling because in wrestling you try to control their head using a single collar grip on the neck. With a greco roman clinch you can press a guy up against the fence and strike in mma.
James Sowers no I'm a former wrestler and a Thai boxer and did Muay Thai first and when I wrestled I used Muay Thai sweeps and dumps to take the guy down and in the Muay Thai clinch your elbows are one the guys chest so he can go for a good duble leg or body lock
Single leg double leg all good but greco works every single time no matter who you are if you know the techiniques well.
Jon Jones knows to little to speak about the Muay Thai clinch, the muay thai clinch got so many more techniques than just knees and elbows.
i believe if muay thai clinchs with a wrestler, wrestler wins. However, if you clinch knees right you can easily finish an opponent standing up or to create additional openings for more strikes to land.
Jon Jones has used the muay thai clinch in several world title fights pretty sure he knows more about it than you
Guys relax I am the living Muay Thai clinch. 😌
It’s Jone Jones the UFC goat says so it is so
@@vailimaconnoisseur6538 I was going to say. One of the best Muay Thai users I've seen in MMA.
So that time he threw Bonnar to the mat with a Muay Thai clinch throw doesn't count as a takedown from the Muay Thai clinch? I think Mr. Jones is tellin' fibs. I think the Thai clinch has more threats than just elbows and knees. Not to knock on Greco Roman Wrestling but the last time I checked you can't strike in that sport. I believe both styles are equal as far as whose using it knows how to use it.
Also Muay Thai is a tradition also. Traditional Muay Thai has techniques in it that far surpass just the run of the mill techniques and strikes you see on tv, I think people should know that.
oneforthenayshun learn some wrestling history, you will be supprised
Bones has it good if they are on the outside hes in his range if they are on the inside they are in his range and if they are in-between his elbows are so freakin long his still in his range!
@ciscoittech hes too tall for anderson to control in a thai clinch,and attempt to achieve the clinch would get anderson thrown for sure.
Muay Thai fighters will not use the clinch unless the opponent is softened up and they will often kneel first clinch and knee again . Thai fighters use throws similar to Greco wrestling.
That's very true. They are both just one technique for each style. What I'm saying to add on to that is there is takedowns for each style in their own clinches. The effectiveness of each clinch depends on the person's clinch knowledge. I just disagree with Jon when he said the Thai clinch is a wrestling "No,no." because you can wrestle a takedown in the Thai clinch. In Greco striking is not allowed. Is say the Thai clinch is more versatile in mma than the Greco clinch cuz of the striking aspect
Damn Right Bros about Greco but What would you say if you were acquainted with Catch as Catch wrestling Clinch and Takedowns ? In Catch you have numerous takedowns from Clinch .
Say how different is catch wrestling from greco-roman?
@anderson12ization
man handle and get submitted or man handle and beat him
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It’s interesting to see this cuz I never realized I’m using Greco Roman wrestling skills in my clinch until now especially with the grips and framing interesting
I loveyou from thailand
Greatest of all time
Couture use Greco clinch for throw punch, usefull.
Great points from Jones
@GribMurder soon they will have to fight, about april 2012 if both still ufc camp
It is, but the Clinch for Muay Thai is just one technique where as the clinch for Greco Roman is all there is in Greco.
That's where most people get it wrong. Thai clinch is almost a martial art on its own, it's definitely not just "one technique " It's all about arm positioning and balance and leg trips and sneaky elbows when expecting a knee, or a devastating knee while expecting an elbow or a quick dump when expecting something else
Muay Thai clinch covers like 80% of what is in mma, punches, knees, elbows & some trips wrestling is just wrestling on its own it’s like boxing or Taekwondo they can only do 1 thing
I train Muay Thai and folkstyle wrestling and I agree.
Apples to oranges, different sports, rules & goals
Forget greco for a second, and think of freestyle someone gets the muay thai clinch on freestyle guy the wrestlers attacks are increased tenfold, but never underestimate the thai clinch only takes a couple knees to your ribs to fuck you up. All a wrestler has to do though is smother then smash.
Well - Jon Jones is right in one aspect: in a Thai clinch, you have no "washer" - i.e. no arm to keep a tight lock. In a Greco clinch, if it is around the head, you have an arm, always, which allows for far more control. The reason many fighters get kneed from the Thai clinch is because they allow their heads to be pulled down. This actually shouldn't happen as easily as it does, being the head is actually loose. That being said, a Thai clinch can be a bad position to be in!
I'm not sure of what you're talking about but apparently you don't know the Thai clinch very well , just like JJ in the video. Thai clinch is all about standing straight with your neck and find better general and mostly arm positioning to throw knees without getting timed and dumped, to land or to defend sneaky elbows, and getting the opponent as exhausted as you can while trying to stay as relaxed as you can. It's almost a martial art on its own and has many more positions and techniques than most MMA people know.
Do any experience greco guys in here no some of the throws you can use against the thai clinch? if so please message me. I'm dying to find out what 40 throws Jones is talking about?
call up hendo
i would die to know that as well brother....
i'm holding my breath from NOW
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Snap down to set up an elbow pass, to either a collar tie throw by or body lock with a step around. By that point you can send them sailing for 5 any way you’d like
Go to any Greco-Roman wrestling class to try-out your question and you'll feel the answer. Just saying... :P
The hell are you talking about? A single collar tie is effective in wrestling because you have one hand to defend your legs, if both your hand are on the head what is going to stop your opponent from getting to your legs? Nothing.
...and that is WHY he can land them spinning elbows!
who was he fighting against ?
Maurício Rua
UFC 128
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This video is made before he started telling people what they wanted to hear. Before he stopped being an athlete, and started to being a promoter.
Hungry jones is the scariest guy to ever compete
The thing is, with your head being down so low, one knee could and probably WOULD put you unconscious.
And has, in other fights
@@Jawshuah *cough* Ben askren
In greco you would not put your head low
It is very rare to see someones head actually pulled low in thai boxing.
I don't know about that
I do both and the tai clintch can be devistating .
They actually work together nicely since in Greco u also use a very upright posture, and u can chain all the Thai elbows, knees and sweeps with Greco underhook/overhook and takedowns
Also, and also, too.
Jon Jones is arguably one of the greatest to ever enter the octagon, regardless of his personal misadventures. For anyone in this comment section to question his expertise on this topic is laughable. Maybe if you achieve a quarter of his success you can tell me all about it.
Spin & Fly Guy he is a cheat.
No one is questioning his skill or knowledge, but he does lack appreciation for the skill and knowledge of others who spend their whole lives in the clinch range. No matter who you are, you don't get to just ignore skills like that. The best muay thai fighters did it from the age they could walk, it's second nature. That is a whole style and tradition, one that is more complex and dangerous and two knees and elbows.
@@SwordTune What Jon said is based on fact that you dont want to be taken down in mma more than you dont want to be hitten
@@tedbunkerss1952 Okay, you're missing the point of what I said but that's fine.
Spin & Fly Guy "he's the greatest fighter therefore he knows everything about martial arts , so whatever he says must be true". There's so much that's logically fallacious with your statement.
@anderson12ization where u goin
I think it depends on who's Muay Thai clinch it is, I doubt he would love to be in Anderson's clinch
Or in dejdamrong's clinch
@sylhetypolasab agreed
Greco Roman owns Muay Thai Clinch
@toad33332 going with the fact that if Sonnen can out wrestle the shit out of Silva,Jones would man handle him, plus his ground and pound is probs the best around, thats where Im going
they arent all throws there Take-Downs fool double leg,single legs, duck unders etc.
greco = no leg ,dumbass
lol casual
@anderson12ization mate im not sayin theres no chance jones would win
but jones wouldnt win lol
you forget and im not making excuses but silva had 3 broken ribs during his fight with sonnen
tell this to rich franklin.
? Rich franklin had neither muay thai or greco knowledge - he was a mathematics teacher who was good at mathematics
@@bombastikderteutone6858 Very true, Rich was too busy working out the cos,sin &tan of silvas knees
@@bombastikderteutone6858 respect rich tho, he was an amazing fighter.
Jones vs Silva. Start them off from the clinch lulz.
greek roman wrestling hands down can beat muay thai 97% of the time
@fitzrapid Thank you for telling me and youtube what we already now.
when he comes back it wil be Rashad. not davis or hendo get you facts right
@toad33332 lol Jones has better BJJ than sonnen,better ground and pound that sonnen,bigger than sonnen and more explosive.Sonnen out wrestled Silva,but yh he got submitted,but would Jones get submitted,I doubt it
jones vs sonnen,jones all the way.sonnen only knows how to take down the opponents and silvas wrestling was really bad thats why he got dominated.but jones is a wrestler with outstanding standup and really good jiujitsu.so jones all the way.
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spoken like a true muay thai neophyte
muay thai is just elbows and knees though my man greco is an entire style!!! what a moron Jon is sometimes lmao
Greco Roman is the only martial art that's ever worked in the history of humanity in any context in every time period ever. FACT.
ChamorruWarrior not even judo boxing and Muay Thai do to
ChamorruWarrior Grecko Roman and judo are my favorite grappling styles. Folkstyle is really realient on athleticism/explosiveness
How about Muay Boran?
Except that it is neither Greco nor Roman. This is traditional french wrestling for fun and fairies, that was renamed to satisfy raising interest in Olympic games in 19 century
What is this "fact" based on?
@shogun123442 he would man handle Silva
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JONES brother,you 100% right !
#BonesNose hahaha
ok just soo everyone knows...i train at the WAT. i see jon jones training all the time. his muay thai is ....OK. its not all that. he gets away alot honestly because of his physical attributes. so dont think too much into his info on this stuff
thank you!
D. Richards Yep Jon is definitely a Farang
D. Richards I train there to but I never saw jones as of yet I’ve seen Shane McMahon of course Phil nurse
Why didn't you ask him to hard spar you in muay thai, lets see how "OK" his muay thai really is, since you seem to have alot to say.