How Government Solved the Health Care Crisis - Animation
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Based on an essay by Roderick T. Long: www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html
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Roderick T. Long's bibliography:
David T. Beito. "The 'Lodge Practice Evil' Reconsidered: Medical Care Through Fraternal Societies, 1900-1930." (unpublished)
David T. Beito. "Mutual Aid for Social Welfare: The Case of American Fraternal Societies." Critical Review, Vol. 4, no. 4 (Fall 1990).
David Green. Reinventing Civil Society: The Rediscovery of Welfare Without Politics. Institute of Economic Affairs, London, 1993.
David Green. Working Class Patients and the Medical Establishment: Self-Help in Britain from the Mid-Nineteenth Century to 1948. St. Martin's Press, New York, 1985.
David Green & Lawrence Cromwell. Mutual Aid or Welfare State: Australia's Friendly Societies. Allen & Unwin, Sydney, 1984.
P. Gosden. The Friendly Societies in England, 1815-1875. Manchester University Press, Manchester, 1961.
P. Gosden. Self-Help: Voluntary Associations in the 19th Century. Batsford Press, London, 1973.
Albert Loan. "Institutional Bases of the Spontaneous Order: Surety and Assurance." Humane Studies Review, Vol. 7, no. 1, 1991/92.
Leslie Siddeley. "The Rise and Fall of Fraternal Insurance Organizations." Humane Studies Review, Vol. 7, no. 2, 1992.
S. David Young. The Rule of Experts: Occupational Licensing in America. Cato Institute, Washington, 1987.
That image of the government is pretty creepy. Cold, unthinking, symbol to be admired and worshipped.
So what your saying is that its a perfect representation of the government?
And each party blaming the other.
Why doesn't this have a million views?
Because many people are guilty of perpetuating this evil onto themselves and others(including their children). In many ways, society runs on guilt avoidance. It is pure torture for one to know that one has used an evil violent system to avoid being responsible for one's own life choices. They fear the truth so they avoid these topics.
Government limiting
They should've mentioned that Obamacare specifically banned any new fraternities from paying for the medical expenses of their members. Preexisting fraternities which already offered that (Shriners and the like) were allowed to continue doing so. My pre-Obamacare monthly insurance cost was under $60 with a $2,500 deductible and it was almost $500 a month for a $3,500 deductible the last time I checked. The politicians knew that costs would dramatically surge after socialized healthcare. Because the lawmakers knew that middle class people made too little to get government assistance and couldn't afford the jump, they cut off the two logical alternatives available to the middle class. They taxed people who couldn't afford insurance and they made it illegal to form a mutual aid society. If it weren't for Obamacare specifically banning medical assistance through fraternities then we would've seen an enormous resurgence of them.
Do you know a source on this off-hand you could link? Terribly late for the question, I know.
@@Galgus2000 I would give you a source but I don't have it.
😂😂😂😂. You people are funny
@@poosnip why?
when will people understand government is the cause not the answer to our healthcare problems, get government and insurance companies out of our healthcare and the problems end
This is why I'd vote for someone arguing for single payer even if I still thought the government shouldn't do that, because we are so entrenched I don't know how we'd get out of it with the least chaos.
@Bif Webster another body would step in to provide, like associations.
This is definitely something they never talked about in my lower and higher education courses.
It runs completely against the fallacy that the poor were completely and utterly without any insurance until the government spoon-fed it to them.
which is why public education should be annulled. American education is the single most corrupt job market on the planet.
Early socialism here wasn't state mandated. It grows from these sorts of worker cooperatives, who form more complex systems for safety and stability.
Equating lodges and socialism is a bit disingenuous. Whilst I agree that such practices can expand into the eventual creation of cooperatives, such diversity in the purchasing of an item _can_ have nothing to do with such practices. Of course, given an untouched market, one would expect guilds, lodges, cooperatives and "covenant communities" to flourish (part of the elegance of the idea if I must say so).
Clans used to fill in a lot.
Yeah I've never heard of this at all. I only found this thanks to a comment on /b/ of all places
No matter how much you hate the government…
You’ll always find, it’s never enough.
Make one on governments "solving" economic crisis
Let's make "this" his full-time job ^^
I'm sure there is enough content to have a 300 episode show called "How Government Solved X"
Explain Australia during the GFC then
@@Coolsomeone234 brutha look at the state of us and our healthcare NOW
Government in a nutshell: Markets are working too well, and you want special, monopoly privilege? Sure thing! Just pay us a kickback...
+chbrules Hey, personal question. Where did you get that Batman meme? I saw it in a recent Bryan Caplan post on Econlog criticizing Batflek's utilitarian rationale to kill Superman in that one movie. It seemed out of his style, so it stuck our more than the moral analysis.
@@MRCKify Google image search "batman tongue"
@@MrRiotingPacifist This would not be possible without the State, and State intervention by definition moved the system away from a free market. Without the State, the cronies have no special power. Corruption is inevitable with the State due to its incentive structure.
Juan Canham They shouldn’t be able to use coercion. That’s all that’s special about the State.
The State helped to cartelize industry in the Progressive Era and before.
Juan Canham Under minarchism, the smaller government possible. Under anarcho-capitalism, private courts and protection agencies.
What industry has no state involvement today?
Wow, what an important video!! Very few people (including me, a retired MD) knew about this. Sounds right to me!
I was expecting this to be typical lefty dribble but this was actually really fantastic. This is really good.
Thanks Gabe!
I recommend 5 dried grams of psilocybin mushrooms. Blow your heart wide and open.
Same here. I was literally rolling my eyes in disgust at the beginning.
The problem is few take the time to uncover the history we weren't taught which is vast. What we learned in public school was a biased summary. It takes great time and focus to learn history and try to uncover the biases. A simple shortcut is to assume if the far left or right is using history to support their cause then you should be very suspect. If you find this video to be at least be of interest and worth further investigation, then check out www.mises.org. You will find detailed and thoughtful discussions and essays there on any topic.
Another brainwashed fool ….. there is a good reason why healthcare in the USA is not as good as it should be (for the worlds richest economy) for its ordinary citizens. There is also a good reason why Europeans and most of the other Developed economies have better health outcomes and a higher life expectancy than in the USA. But this video does not engage the truth. It is basically a smokescreen sponsored by the healthcare and insurance industry. Its pure misdirection. It seeks to blame government for all the ills in healthcare..🙄
All the major economies that are ahead of the US in healthcare all have healthcare paid for by TAX with heavy local and national government involvement…. Why?
YES ANOTHER ANIMATION!!! I breathe these!
DAMN just DAMN. I gotta make everyone watch this
This is why Doctors and "upper society" jobs should learn that they aren't above low and middle class citizens, their job is to serve and help other not to lord over them.
This video and channel is AMAZING! How can you only have 12.9k subs! should be in the Millions! I've Subbed, thumbed up and sharing! Keep up the fantastic work!
terrific video. Keep up the great work.
Thanks Obama!
This happened was wayyyy before Obama was even born
Can I get sources for the prices of Lodge Practices?
See bibliography from Long's essay in the info box. I don't know which of those talks about prices. Sorry.
Perfect, thank you.
www.freenation.org/a/f12l3.html
also relevant: Secret Handshakes and Health Care in Australia www.takver.com/history/guoof1.htm
"The history of friendly societies remind us there is an alternative between free market economics and the social welfare state. Through cooperation and organisation working people were able to largely provide for their own welfare."
@@somercet1 Free market economics and contract law is what enabled those mutual aid societies to function - yes, I agree! As long as it is all Voluntary it is good. A free market should be the primary concern. This does not stop people forming voluntary organisations for either preference or to fill any potential gaps a free market may have. The above quote from the article was to show that a social welfare state is not necessary.
This is extra clear in Sweden where we basically only have subsidized healthcare and long ass queues to the emergency. Made me lose faith in the welfare state.
@Liberation yeh, that what they all say until they get sick. Then they put the blame on the "risk-capitalists"
And yet you don’t have to worry about paying for healthcare at the point of need. You are still leagues ahead of the Americans as a Swedish citizen. I will take a queue over being fair gamed and / or ripped off. Swedish welfare state is totally brilliant. No body should be on welfare but it is nice to have a safety net. Stop adding to the noise numb nuts
@@poosnip but people are forced to pay for this net?
@@swedishancap3672 I submit that this video is just another part of the system of brainwashing that the American public has been subjected to for time immemorial.
There are no metrics that point to Sweden spending anywhere close to the USA on healthcare and having worse healthcare.
All the metric show the opposite.. Sweden spends way less per capita and the health outcomes are better. Same as all the rich developed economies. Do you wanna ask why ? Let’s ask why this is ?
@@swedishancap3672 I am a risk capitalist……. But I recognised some things are sacred. Healthcare is a right and its procurement should be regulated. If not you get what the Americans have….30million people not covered and at significant risk of physical and financial death should they fall Sick. Millions more Americans overcharged unfairly for stuff that you would have paid pennies on the dollar for (I kid you not), a less equal society ….. I could go on.
Did you know that the USA has a life expectancy 6months longer that Cuba? This is the bitterest of ironies
Good video. Never heard of lodges. Kind of reminds me of unions. Is that fair? Or way off the mark? I prefer free market solutions, over government mandated programs. Both seem to have flaws, but governments seem to breed corruption and stupidity, and oft times simply attracts power hungry, self serving, greedy individuals; and thus, a kakistocracy.
Re. unions. There are some similarities. But there are important differences too, at least with regard to what 'labour uinon' means today. As Mises wrote "Actually labor union violence is tolerated within broad limits…the authorities, with the approval of public opinion, condone such acts." mises.org/library/history-labor-unions-colonial-times-2009
So unions as we know them are a type of political entity with, effectively, a state-granted licence to use violence. Lodges (groups of people who choose to associate with one another) had no such exemptions.
This crisis can also be greatly reduced by eating healthy foods grown locally, avoiding stress by managing ease that does wonders to prevent dis ease. Stress is the number one killer, it's why I teach how to be Heavily Meditated.
First ive heard of lodges, very interesting. Thanks for making this.
Was not expecting this when I woke up today! Welcome back buddy!
Thanks!
Are you planning on making a video on anti trust? I think it is one of the biggest myths that anti trust broke up monopolies
Amazing as always!
"Oi, do you have a loicense for that life saving?"
This description of lodges sound a lot like how unions developed here, and the systems which carried over into the welfare state and current insurance.
Thanks for sharing!!
Gee, competition solves the problem. Who would've thought?
Healthcare has gotten so much better.... for the medical establishment.
This video shows the difference between mutualist leftists and big government liberals
James Corbett just referenced your work. Subbed.
Welcome! That was a nice surprise.
How politicians solved the everything "government" crisis: they resigned. At first, everyone was shocked and afraid because they had to make hard decisions for themselves and find their own moral compass. Then they got down to business and stopped letting the cherished slave mentality control them anymore. They went on to live somewhat happily ever after, The End.
Ah, just another case of:
- People want some service (healthcare) and are willing to pay for it.
- Other people (doctors) are willing to provide that service for a competitive price.
- ...
- Government steps in.
By the way, back in the middle ages, healthcare for the poor was provided for free - hospitals were funded by the rich.
Sure, healthcare services provided were really bad, in many cases all they offered was a place to sleep and maybe some food. And sometimes they even expected the sick to work, if they were capable of doing so. Essentially, hospitals existed so that sick people would be kept away from the healthy people. This is why the rich were so eager to pay for these hospitals. They didn't want sick people to spread disease, and they didn't want to see them in the streets. You could even say it was a prison for the sick.
BUT, the service was free, and the rich payed for it willingly, so that's still something to consider.
... also, it was good for the public image of the rich. Now everyone could see how good they are, since they care for their sick slaves.
Now the rich just "care" about their corporate slaves.
@@josephlouwerse2105 I've noticed people high in the hierarchy are particularly likely to catch covid, considering they travel a lot, often participate in massive events, constantly meet new people etc. Some of the early confirmed cases of COVID in my country were among parliament deputies and government officials. So I guess they're - however inefficiently - trying to protect their own butts as well.
What does “medical care” mean in this context? What services were provided? How much did it cost?
Stefanie>stef, a much better reader
Yes, I think so too.
Brilliant thanks for posting
Welcome back
Great work. What do you think of the system in Singapore
great video
Is there a list already made of all the healthcare laws in place that have to do with this? At the very least it would give us an idea of what to repeal/undo.
I know Trump promised to undo regulations on healthcare so maybe there's a chance it could be done. It's worth a shot.
I can't believe this video doesn't have more views though.
Can you cite the sources for this video? My father is a physician and he questioned whether the AMA had anything to do with medical licensing at any point in history. Need some citations up in here!
Here's Roderick Long's bibliography from the original article:
David T. Beito. "The 'Lodge Practice Evil' Reconsidered: Medical Care Through Fraternal Societies, 1900-1930." (unpublished)
David T. Beito. "Mutual Aid for Social Welfare: The Case of American Fraternal Societies." Critical Review, Vol. 4, no. 4 (Fall 1990).
David Green. Reinventing Civil Society: The Rediscovery of Welfare Without Politics. Institute of Economic Affairs, London, 1993.
David Green. Working Class Patients and the Medical Establishment: Self-Help in Britain from the Mid-Nineteenth Century to 1948. St. Martin's Press, New York, 1985.
David Green & Lawrence Cromwell. Mutual Aid or Welfare State: Australia's Friendly Societies. Allen & Unwin, Sydney, 1984.
P. Gosden. The Friendly Societies in England, 1815-1875. Manchester University Press, Manchester, 1961.
P. Gosden. Self-Help: Voluntary Associations in the 19th Century. Batsford Press, London, 1973.
Albert Loan. "Institutional Bases of the Spontaneous Order: Surety and Assurance." Humane Studies Review, Vol. 7, no. 1, 1991/92.
Leslie Siddeley. "The Rise and Fall of Fraternal Insurance Organizations." Humane Studies Review, Vol. 7, no. 2, 1992.
S. David Young. The Rule of Experts: Occupational Licensing in America. Cato Institute, Washington, 1987.
bitbutter Appreciate you listing them, thank you! I found a great essay on Mises.org in addition that describes the history of medical licensure from the 1870s up to the 1900s. It's a great read.
query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=2&res=9507E2D71F39E333A25755C0A9679D946196D6CF
Interesting video. :)
I looked through your sources and I couldn't find anything about the price being so cheap, can you point out a specific page?
you read the nine books and articles in Roderick Long's bibliography?
@@MrRiotingPacifist 'some other guys poem' er, no.
This video is an animated adaptation of an essay by Roderick Long. That's why his bibliography is relevant.
Does anyone have suggested reading for this topic?
Glad you're back.
great info
I'd love to see how insurance companies deal with medical crises
Your wish was granted.
Great work!!
never heard of this before
Can I mirror these videos?
yes feel free to mirror them. a link to the original would be appreciated.
I hate paying the Medicare levy
Amazing job!
I wonder how much taxes are being collected from big pharmacy as well as insurance... if the economy handled it! This problem would never have existed... doctors can set there OWN pricing and quality of care...
I use this video frequently to help explain the current Healthcare market and how we got here. Today, for the first time, I searched for it and it appeared nowhere in the search results. You're being hidden, bitbutter.
thanks for letting me know. I'll take a look too.
@@bitbutter if it helps, the search term I always use (saved in my searches) is "how govt fixed healthcare" and it has always been the first search result. We're talking years. Today it wasn't in the results at all, I had to go back and find the last time I shared the link on Twitter a few wks ago.
@@JessicaSmithV do you mean the search results in Google or CZcams?
@@bitbutter in CZcams
@@JessicaSmithV thanks. fwiw all my stuff's mirrored to odysee too odysee.com/@Bitbutter:c
You forgot to mention that medical has gone a long way, meaning it's more expensive as quality has improved
computing has gone along way too, getting cheaper as quality improves. this tends to be the case whenever the good/service is provided competitively instead of rationed and restricted by the state.
@@bitbutter alright then thank you for the reply
"It's more expensive as quality has improved"
hey buddy I've got a rock to sell you. 10 million dollars, but I'll discount it to a mere 200. You can tell it's a fantastic high quality rock since it costs so much. So pay up.
welcome back!
Must have been absent that day in public school when this lesson was taught
I would love it if you could also do a similar video for education. Stefan Molyneux talked about it in his Death of the West video here: czcams.com/video/6_R4ZOzr-f4/video.htmlm25s
It would make it easier to spread the message on the topic.
Poverty has no cause, wealth has!
No human should have power over another.
A video indirectly advocating for anarcho-syndicalism on an anarcho-capitalist channel. Noice 👌
Parabéns ao legendista em Português!
Where have you been, Tomas? Been worried about you!
Hey! Production is taking longer these days, mainly because of parenthood. But still making stuff, a bunch in the pipeline.
Nice! I made a longggg overdue donation to you.
Obviously bitcoin has the lowest comissions, but after that patreon or paypal?
Hey thanks! Well a patreon pledge is nice because it gives me a (recurring) incentive to make new stuff on an ongoing basis. but for one-off donations Paypal works fine so far. Though, they are notoriously evil!
bitbutter Oh really!? Anything I should google to read up more on Paypal's malpractices or being evil?
See www.paypalsucks.com/
Common sense soapbox has covered how to lower healthcare costs btw. And mentis wave has covered fraternal societies
Your channel could popularize anarchy!!!! You are the best
Great job.
bit butters for president of Mars
Wow! What a great video, I had no idea.
Still relevant
@luis mcdoughl
Wahooo!
private health care=no crisis
its so hard to understand?
What we need is TRUE private health care, the ability to have these fraternal societies BACK into our world.
Government enforced monopolies
What the hell is up with the ominous music used throughout and the heavy invoking of Naziesque imagery in this video when the govt. is mentioned? And doctors with really large noses that are different colors? I'm sure there's some truth to it but the blatant emotional manipulation in it makes me seriously question and distrust the source. It stinks badly of someone with an agenda and shit like this is why media literacy is so important.
noses: (almost?) all the the characters in this video have large or unusually shaped/coloured noses.
ominous sound design and imagery: i understand the objection. on the other hand it fits the harmful anti-human role the government ended up playing here.
Love it!
Hergitpa
brilliant
Interesting quote from the Atlantic:
"But there were a few major problems with these societies. The first was that they were regionally segregated and isolated. These forms of insurance didn’t exist in places without dense cities, industry, or deep ethnic and immigrant communities. Even in states with large cities and thriving industries like California and New York, only 30 percent of workers had some sort of health-care coverage through fraternal methods. Moreover, the programs were fragmented and provided only partial insurance.
Also, these were programs designed for working men-for the most part, they did not cover women. Health insurance contracts, for example, were explicit in not providing for coverage of pregnancy, childbirth, or child care (seen as women’s responsibilities at the time). The doctors the lodges hired were often seen as providing substandard care. And most of these societies had age limits. Those over 45 were generally ruled out, and those that weren’t were charged higher rates. Those already in poor health were excluded through medical examinations. There were maximum and minimum limits on benefits, and as a result, long-term disability wasn’t covered. As late as 1930, old-age benefits represented just 2.3 percent of social benefits given out by fraternal organizations. Thus, though they were pervasive throughout this time period, they never provided more than a sliver of actual, robust social insurance. "
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/03/the-conservative-myth-of-a-social-safety-net-built-on-charity/284552/
Thanks! Great read!
You, and this article overlook the most obvious point. Due to the low cost of healthcare, people who made a lower middle-class and up wage, didn't need insurance or mutual aid services. If you got sick, you would call the doctor and he would come to your house. The average factory worker could afford this.
Dankster312; Interesting selective quoting by you of that article. Here is another from the same article. "They were also the most common provider of insurance and relief before the New Deal. In general, they would cover funeral costs and provide some sick pay. These were particularly important for low-wage workers, and played a bigger role in insurance than charity or welfare" The THEY are fraternal societies. Time would have improved them.
Time would definitely have improved them. The medical community nipped it in the bud before it had a chance to take off and evolve.
Please link all socialists here.
Wait did you say "BLACKS" and "IMMIGRANTS"?! :Tr!Gg3r3|>:
With the oversight of the God Emperor, we can hopefully bring these fraternal societies back.
unfortunately he was subverted by his antichrist son-in-law and ousted in favor of a drooling braindead puppet.
Mutual Aid you say?
*Laughs in Pyotr Kropotkin*
Y'all like Mutualism? Lol! - big gubment
the UK doesn't have a health care crisis though.
It does. You just don't see it because you've never been made to pay a single bill or tax dollar in your life.
Just really long waiting lists and restrictions on what treatments you can and cannot have.
Waiting lists > Death, I am a poor man, I was diagnosed with stage 5 chronic kidney disease at the age of 24, I live hand to mouth, if I had to pay for medical treatment I don't know if I would have made it, simply because of how unwell I am I don't know if I could work, pay bills and support my dialysis treatment all at the same time.
My Nana was diagnosed with cancer, she had a life saving op and lived a further 4 years, the NHS paid for that, so while to wheels do turn slowly, they DO turn.
NoNameJustWords You haven't actually proven that people don't die on waiting lists, you've just listed an anecdote. I don't give a shit about your anecdote.
"still had to wait 2 months for the operation as there are thousands of people who needed the same operation, word has it, the people who were on the waiting list for their life saving operation got theirs to, and did indeed survive."
Suppose instead you had a disease that gave you 1 month to live, and the waiting list was 2 months long, but over 50% of those people are there not because they worked to create a safety net for themselves, or purchased one personally through insurance, but because a third party stole people's money at gunpoint and is paying for those peoples operations (admittedly, a few people gave their money willingly). As a concequence, people who paid for their coverage die anyway, effectively being robbed a second time. Is that third party even close to mora? I don't think so. You seem to think it's society's job and moral obligation to protect people at any expense to the individual, and I don't think it is, especially if it has to steal at gunpoint to do it. The obligation also invites corruption. If doctors know that the government can, and must foot the bill, they can and will charge whatever they like. Most medical bills are inflated for this very fact.
NoNameJustWords It's worth mentioning that the reason Martin Shkreli is infamous is for the exact behavior I outlined.
This video keeps talking about the turn of the century. When life expectancy was in the 40s? When hospitals were dirty and had virtually no technology, antibiotics hadn't even been developed yet, most modern drugs didn't exist, we didn't even know how most diseases were caused, and doctors were still doing things like bloodletting and enemas?
Yeah, I'm not surprised health care costs were low. lol.
@Anonymous User #5463 What are you trying to say? It's not the least bit clear.
Single payer works quite well thank you,, Australia, Germaby, France et al and here in Canada. Why not in the US? Big Med Big Phsrma Big Insce and Big HMOsand hospitals demand their interests/profits come ahead of Health Care FOR EVERYONE ‼️‼️ What part of that is too complex to understand⁉️⁉️
Just say no to monopsonies.
Single payer works if the government successfully negotiates medical pricing. If they are susceptible to special interests and lobbying, then we would end up with the same garbage pharma/hospital fees. The US definitely needs some form of healthcare reform. The AMA's chokehold on MD licensing sure doesn't help either.
I'm sure 'quite well' isn't the best that can be done.
"and here in Canada"
Quick question, if your single payer healthcare works as well as you claim then why did the Canadian government have to make private healthcare illegal? surely they wouldn't have to worry about competition if they could actually provide such superior services...
Here is a thought, if people are forced (under threat of violence) into paying for a service from a particular provider (the government), the mere existence of a competitor shows that people are sufficiently unhappy with the service 'provided' that they are willing to forgo it and pay above and beyond for the services of a 3rd party. The other countries you mentioned have booming private healthcare industries for this very reason.
If public healthcare was so good then private healthcare wouldnt exist, but unfortunately like everything else the government provides public healthcare is simply rationed healthcare, and a waiting list is simply the hospital version of a breadline.
Single payer? sure you pay for what you want congratulations, anything else is just an excuse for theft.
1) This explanation is overly simplistic. You covered health care for some of the working class, what about people on either side of the income band that was covered by the fraternal societies?
2) It reaches back almost 100 years to make the case that government is bad. Oddly enough, a few years later government was *good* when FDR's new deal rescued everyone from the depths of the Great Depression.
3) The rest of the industrialized world has moved on to single-payer, government sponsored health care. In the US, we pay far more per capita for our health care yet we get worse outcomes. And that was happening before the ACA.
How about we make health care non-profit again? Take the insurance companies out of the loop, reduce the patent protections we give to big pharma, etc.
Thanks for your comment. We clearly disagree on some big ideas, that's okay. I don't expect us to reach agreement, but I hope to make my position clearer at least.
"You covered health care for some of the working class, what about people on either side of the income band that was covered by the fraternal societies?"
My guess: The lower band had recourse to charity (today the charitable impulse is diluted and parasitised by the welfare state). The upper band had the means to arrange their own care.
"It reaches back almost 100 years to make the case that government is bad"
In my view there are countless examples of government being bad. This story is interesting to me because it's an almost unknown account of about how government wrecked an affordable voluntary healthcare system for the working poor, which in part lead to the current crisis.
"Oddly enough, a few years later government was good when FDR's new deal [snip]"
In my view it was far from good. mises.org/library/new-deal-debunked-again.
"How about we make health care non-profit again? "
Some kind of change seems necessary. I think the most moral solution is to stop using threats of violence against peaceful people (taxation) to fund services that can be more efficiently arranged on the basis of consent.
"reduce the patent protections we give to big pharma, etc."
I agree that'd be a great idea. But I object to your use of 'we'. I am not protecting pharma firms. Neither are you. The government and lobby groups are. I encourage you to go further in this objection too and consider that not only medical patents but all IP may be illegitimate. mises.org/library/against-intellectual-property-0
Lawrence; If Woodrow Wilson hadn't allowed the banksters from Jekyll Island to form the Fed Reserve and hijack the money supply, there would not have been a great depression. There would have been no "PROBLEM" , no "REACTION" and no ready made supplied "SOLUTION". There would have been a continued improvement (by competition) in fraternal societies effectiveness, instead we got big government and crap expensive healthcare.
Bitbutter; Thanks for the link to the "New Deal Debunked" article. Good reading. Link for others here; mises.org/library/new-deal-debunked-again
I can't comment on the IP link until I've listened to the book but it's a hell of an interesting idea. I'm curious to know how the supposed "incentive" to invent will be sustained if the IP is not recognised. Thanks for the link.
@@bitbutter did you have any original thoughts on why the new deal is "debunked" or do you legitimately feel that posting a link to a (obviously biased) libertarian think tank is sufficient in lieu of an actual argument?
@@shiddygaymer what, specifically, do you believe the article gets wrong?
You Americans should learn from us in Scandinavia.
We dont want to. Your economies have stagnated already, and we believe taxation is THEFT so no. you dont get to tax us more for shittier health services we have no choice in.