MAKING PRECISION GAGE BALLS

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  • čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
  • I show making high precision gage balls from ultra micrograin carbide with normal machine shop tools. Includes rough grinding, lapping, polishing and measuring to very high levels. Hertzian contact deformations are discussed including calculations. ** 0.000005" = 0.127µm (not nm) **
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Komentáře • 946

  • @ThisOldTony
    @ThisOldTony Před 3 lety +743

    amazing work as always but fact that you broke out the point contact calcs blew my mind.
    I clicked the thumbs up button twice!

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  Před 3 lety +39

      Thanks Tony, glad you enjoyed it!
      ATB, Robin

    • @inifin8
      @inifin8 Před 3 lety +74

      So you unliked it

    • @DHClapp
      @DHClapp Před 3 lety +56

      @@inifin8 I believe that was the joke.

    • @twotone3070
      @twotone3070 Před 3 lety +6

      I love you work so much, I do that with all of your videos.

    • @Jeff-yy5fe
      @Jeff-yy5fe Před 3 lety +2

      what time was that? Not a TOT joke, serious question.....

  • @Redmech80
    @Redmech80 Před 3 lety +213

    I’m a heavy equipment mechanic that does some machine work on the side, and I enjoy trying to work to tighter tolerances than necessary. Some of the farmers and equipment owners I make some parts for think I’m working to ridiculous tolerances when i talk “plus or minus a thou”, I’m not gonna let them see this video, then they will know I’m just a hack.

    • @seephor
      @seephor Před 3 lety +16

      A thou compared to what's being shown in this video is like a mile vs. inch.

    • @UncleKennysPlace
      @UncleKennysPlace Před 3 lety +63

      I grind mirrors and lenses as a hobby (amateur telescope maker). We use optical testing, and measure accuracy to a fraction of a wavelength of a certain frequency of light. 1/4 wave is acceptable, 1/10 wave gives you bragging rights. A 0.001" deviation across a 10" mirror would render it useless for anything other than applying clown makeup.

    • @TheOneAndOnlySame
      @TheOneAndOnlySame Před 3 lety +26

      I'm a metal worker , and I make pieces where 1 mm more or less is a-ok !

    • @cholesterol6703
      @cholesterol6703 Před 3 lety +17

      @@UncleKennysPlace I think you have just explained the raccoon-look trend in women's eye liner application. They must be using deviated mirrors.

    • @MegaRiffraff
      @MegaRiffraff Před 3 lety

      And I thought I was doing good at my measly 1 thousand ☹️ , I had a friend who got me into machine shop , he worked at a hydraulic firm that made pumps for cat , and John Deere back in the 1990s , he said one of their sets worked under 25 / 1 millions of an inch .

  • @TexasHunter59
    @TexasHunter59 Před 3 lety +56

    As a machinist for the last 51 years, and finally being able to machine components to +.0000/-.0001 in a production environment, I was beginning to feel pretty good about myself. Now I see this and feel like a hack!!! Thanks Robin.... I'll be sure to mention your name in therapy!!! LOL

  • @Goodwithwood69
    @Goodwithwood69 Před 3 lety +65

    I'm only a carpenter, but thanks to you, i wipe my level before i use it! Every time!

    • @Molb0rg
      @Molb0rg Před 3 lety +4

      good boy)))
      sorry :p, can hold myself, but yeah, why not, lol, a good practice.

    • @metalbob3335
      @metalbob3335 Před 3 lety +11

      Carpentry is hitting a moving target. I tried doing a bench with no nails in a period of a very humid summer and stopped Midway through. after I came back to it in winter all the documented measurements were off. I, out of frustration I ended up using up the wood for jacking up my truck for a brake job. I am a Savage, I know.

    • @ypaulbrown
      @ypaulbrown Před rokem

      @@metalbob3335 good one....

  • @frigzy3748
    @frigzy3748 Před 3 lety +49

    "think about everything as if it was made of rubber" - I was taught that during a scraping class with Mr.King

  • @markrosenthal890
    @markrosenthal890 Před 3 lety +20

    When I was a kid I would watch my grandfather hand lap the glass for the 8" telescope he made. He would assess the quality of his work using home made testing equipment. He was shooting for 25 millionths or less as I recall. He would have loved to have the testing equipment you show in your videos.
    Great job with the video and some of us do enjoy geeking out.

    • @ramanshah7627
      @ramanshah7627 Před 2 měsíci

      Same - this process also reminded me a lot of grinding and figuring telescope optics! How cool to get to watch your grandpa do this when you were growing up :)

  • @StefanGotteswinter
    @StefanGotteswinter Před 3 lety +81

    Super impressive result with moderate equipment, love it! Thanks for sharing, Stefan

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  Před 3 lety +9

      Thanks Stefan and thanks for watching.
      ATB, Robin

    • @reiniertl
      @reiniertl Před 3 lety +5

      Hi Stephan, you know from personal experience that "super impressive results" come from mastery and very moderate equipment. You scraping series is mind boggling for someone like me. However, I think Robin went over the moon with this one. A lot to learn from both of you.

  • @bjornSE
    @bjornSE Před 3 lety +9

    In an intellectual way I was aware of that everything deforms but your paper towel demonstration completely blew my mind! You measurably deformed a hunk of steel with a paper towel, that's actual magic!

  • @cylosgarage
    @cylosgarage Před 3 lety +20

    Robin is the GOAT and anyone who disagrees can leave

    • @tonywilson4713
      @tonywilson4713 Před 3 lety +8

      How about that French guy Jacques de Vaucanson, he only gave us the modern lathe? czcams.com/video/djB9oK6pkbA/video.html
      How about that Swedish guy Carl Edvard Johansson who gave us gauge blocks that allowed modern supply chains to exist?
      How about Wayne Moore who's work and book “Foundations of Mechanical Accuracy” Robin refers to occasionally.
      In terms of CZcams Precision machinists yeah Robin's "the dude" and part of what makes him "the dude" is that he's kept these incredible skills alive and shares them with us. What's truly awesome about people like Robin, Stephan G, Tom Lipton and others is that in a world where the geniuses want everything made as cheap as possible and want people like them to simply disappear they are keeping these skills alive.
      Way back in college when I was doing aerospace I started reading a guy named Asimov. He wrote these "Foundation" novels and in them the Galactic Empire collapses for the simple reason that education collapsed and with it the skill base. I'm in Australia and our industries have been screaming for the last 25 years about the "skill shortage."
      *What Robin and others are doing that's so incredibly important is they are preserving our skills base.*

    • @chenli9734
      @chenli9734 Před 3 lety +1

      Hi, Cylo~! How about your air bearing lathe? I cant wait to see it work.

    • @cylosgarage
      @cylosgarage Před 3 lety +1

      @@chenli9734 I’m working on it! More to come soon!

  • @sparkyy0007
    @sparkyy0007 Před 3 lety +106

    Takes a lot of skill to find such a precise gage ball buried in a cylinder of carbide..

  • @johnsteuben6864
    @johnsteuben6864 Před 3 lety +36

    That's an excellent explanation of Hertzian contacts! I think your emphasis on the uncertainties in material properties is also spot on - this is often completely glossed over.

  • @trackie1957
    @trackie1957 Před 3 lety +5

    One of the most impressive moments of this was something that you probably didn’t think much about - the little array of grooves you made in the lap using the dental burr. Beautifully spaced, great workmanship for a 60 second job done by hand. You obviously take pride in doing things well.

  • @NotFarmerFlats
    @NotFarmerFlats Před rokem +4

    It seems to be a machinist thing to be especially proud of their chamfers, always pointing them out. I love it. It is always a nice touch, attention-to-detail kind of a thing.

  • @malachilandis9542
    @malachilandis9542 Před 3 lety +43

    When Robin has an apprentice, they must first master the art of "Kimwipe on, Kimwipe off, Kimwipe on, Kimwipe off" before they can learn the truly powerful techniques.

    • @creamshop
      @creamshop Před 3 lety

      He has a Masters in Kimwipe engineering !

  • @Engineerd3d
    @Engineerd3d Před 3 lety +4

    Mind blown, if precision measuring was a class, this video is a full semesters full of learning packed into less than 1 hour. Good lord. Loved every second of it. Edit: it probably is a class.

  • @jerseyjoe2684
    @jerseyjoe2684 Před 3 lety +4

    With 45 years experience as a machinist/tool maker, I am always humbled watching your brilliant mind at work.
    Well done, Robin!

  • @tsviper
    @tsviper Před 3 lety +13

    As always a wonderfull educational video. As a civil engineer I'm happy when you get +/- 1cm. This level of accuracy is way beyond my world. But o so interesting to watch. Thanks for sharing

  • @davidhughes8539
    @davidhughes8539 Před 3 lety +49

    Thank you Robin for the time, energy, and thought I'm sure it takes to put out videos of this high quality. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience. I'm thinking we could crowd fund you a film crew so you could do a video each week! Keep them coming!

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  Před 3 lety +8

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @Rob_65
      @Rob_65 Před 3 lety +14

      Well spoken. Making stuff like these balls is difficult enough without having to film it. Making quality videos like this is an amazing trade that only few master.

    • @zephyrold2478
      @zephyrold2478 Před 3 lety +3

      I second that.

    • @bigmotter001
      @bigmotter001 Před 3 lety +3

      @@zephyrold2478 I third it!

    • @beachinrc101
      @beachinrc101 Před 3 lety

      4th

  • @blake6403
    @blake6403 Před 3 lety +4

    I'm 17yr tool & die maker/machinist and am a big fan of your content. Just wanted to say thanks for sharing.

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen Před 3 lety +3

      If you stick around these parts for long enough you end up developing some kind of OCD that tells you that things aren't precise unless you place individual atoms exactly where they belong in their crystal lattice! :P

  • @st3althyone
    @st3althyone Před 3 lety +3

    Robin, you are a great teacher going through all the steps and skipping nothing. I want to thank you for spending all your invaluable time doing this for us that know nothing or are eager to learn something new. We are standing on the shoulders of giants like you, there are not many channels on CZcams that you can actually learn a new trade or improve on what you’ve learned so far. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for taking time off your busy schedule to do these videos, you are the best at what you do, bar none!
    Edit: Falling asleep through one of your videos is impossible Rob, they’re extremely exciting to watch.

  • @stevenormandin2059
    @stevenormandin2059 Před 3 lety +16

    WOW we are talking X-ray wavelength precision here, just breathing too close to the measurement test rig will make it go out of tolerances AMAZING! :()

  • @shrikedecil
    @shrikedecil Před 3 lety +11

    As impressed as I was over the making of the ball in the first place...
    ... I'm boggled by the ruby tip!

    • @HanstheTraffer
      @HanstheTraffer Před 3 lety +2

      Rubies are cool ...They have been using them in precision for a LONG time...i.e. bearings in watches, anvils in watches yada yada.

  • @YCM30cnc
    @YCM30cnc Před 3 lety +3

    NOT BORING !!! EDGE OF THE SEAT INFOTAINMENT 👍👍😎😎💪💪..... glad I got your autograph when I met you at SMW Open House ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

  • @TechGorilla1987
    @TechGorilla1987 Před rokem +2

    @31:31 - you proceed to give us a master class in precision beyond the normal abilities, set up a measuring stand that's like a space ship and then proceeds to humble himself by saying "rudimentary measurements"! Sir, you are a straight up artist. We had the pleasure of talking for a moment a few years ago when you were in Ohio. It was an honor. I wish you had the ability to make more content.

  • @azenginerd9498
    @azenginerd9498 Před 3 lety +3

    Having been immersed in developing strain-based sensors a lifetime ago, your nerdfests dredge long-dormant memories to the surface. A very pleasing and cathartic remembering. Thanks for delving into the details.

  • @divingeveryday
    @divingeveryday Před 3 lety +13

    I would never have predicted seeing a diamond core drill while watching Robin make a gage ball. Wonderful!

    • @HanstheTraffer
      @HanstheTraffer Před 3 lety +1

      One of the many geniuses of Robin...the ability to think outside of the box...a truly great characteristic.

    • @Molb0rg
      @Molb0rg Před 3 lety

      yeah yeah yeah, that was a good part as well.

  • @oxtoolco
    @oxtoolco Před 3 lety +298

    What's the modulus of kimwipe material? Fantastic video Robin! I always find it fascinating that with very simple tools you can produce wonderful geometry just by following the rules of physics. Well done my friend.
    All the best,
    Tom

    • @yawpaw9796
      @yawpaw9796 Před 3 lety +16

      You two are very usefull humans, write a book, my sons will know about people like you

    • @terryhillyer529
      @terryhillyer529 Před 3 lety +15

      Tom already did.

    • @paumasip
      @paumasip Před 3 lety +5

      @@yawpaw9796 i think he did, at least, 2 times. :-)

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  Před 3 lety +14

      Thanks Tom, means a lot coming from you!
      ATB, Robin

    • @Mishn0
      @Mishn0 Před 3 lety +6

      I don't know about modulus, but I know Kimwipes make terrible coffee filters. We found that out in the middle of the Indian Ocean back in 1979. I don't think Amazon would have shipped out there even if they existed.

  • @miguelangelsimonfernandez5498

    Just one minor detail in the presentation of data. Try using lowercase (n) for nanometers because using blockletters can lead to reading Newton-meters

  • @saschaoswald480
    @saschaoswald480 Před 3 lety +3

    Didn't fall asleep....got a "congratulations" from THE Robin Renzetti !!!! Gonna go have a T-shirt made now and call my mother;-) Made my day.

  • @honeyforce996
    @honeyforce996 Před rokem +1

    This is the best channel. I wish there was a public fund like PBS, which found similar people of this nature, and paid them to demonstrate their technique/experience on youtube.

  • @diegovianavillegas3297
    @diegovianavillegas3297 Před 3 lety +7

    Robin video: A perfect gift for the weekend.

  • @westweld
    @westweld Před 3 lety +3

    When I watch your videos I learn that Im overthinking and underthinking machining at the same time. Its mind blowing that a .0000004 world even exists let alone measured

  • @AlmostMachining
    @AlmostMachining Před 3 lety +4

    Fantastic! From the simple tools and methods to achieve precision results measurable in basically a home shop. Not only to have the ability to perform the work and the measurements but to also back them with science. Thank you so much for pushing the edge and showing the way!

  • @outsidescrewball
    @outsidescrewball Před 3 lety +5

    NO snooze here albeit way above my pay grade...enjoyed!! Many lessons taught..thank you!

  •  Před 3 lety +96

    Thank you uncle Robin. More video please!!!!

    • @HanstheTraffer
      @HanstheTraffer Před 3 lety +4

      Uncle Robin! I like the sound of that. I hope it catches on.

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  Před 3 lety +14

      Thanks for stopping by Cà Lem
      ATB, Uncle Robin

    • @HanstheTraffer
      @HanstheTraffer Před 3 lety +1

      @@ROBRENZ I had no idea who uncle Robin was. Also...Ca' lem? Closest I could come is Vietnamese ice cream. ATB: I figure is "all the best". Waaaaay beyond my realm here.

  • @timgrenville-cleave2848

    Hi Robin, not sure how I missed this one the first time around, but, I'm glad I found it. I am a grumpy old git from across the pond, who's early career consisted of causing assorted things and beings to be redistributed over a wide area accompanied by loud noises, and sometimes smoke ). As long as I could work out how far away the object was and how much bang was needed to achieve success and to work out if the Ministry of Defence had indeed issued me with the correct amount of beer tokens each month, I had little use for Math in any form. Turns out I have suffered from Dyscalculia for as long as I can count BUT, I got this straight away and it all makes sense. Now I understand Stefan G's reasons for mentioning your 'lessons'. Thank you.

  • @nickolaguez
    @nickolaguez Před 3 lety +6

    This is what makes yt powerful. I appreciate you Robin

  • @lstearns7639
    @lstearns7639 Před 3 lety +1

    Thank you for sharing your considerations, methodology, and reference materials. Years from now when facebook, youtube, and instagram are defunct, your lessons will still linger on in our minds.

  • @davidmurray700
    @davidmurray700 Před 3 lety +35

    AA Guage block standards, but did you account for the difference in gravity between the calibration site and the site of measurement...
    I had to perform that calculation only once in over 10 yrs in a standards cal lab...
    You're getting close to those levels of measurement. Thanks for going through the thought exercise, reminded me how much fun it can be.

    • @fredgenius
      @fredgenius Před 3 lety +6

      That occurred to me too. Also, the gravitational influence of all that heavy machinery nearby, and what about magnetic influence?

    • @somebodyelse6673
      @somebodyelse6673 Před 3 lety +2

      Is... is that actually a thing, that you have to know geographically where something was calibrated?

    • @WesleyLeeYang
      @WesleyLeeYang Před 3 lety +1

      @@somebodyelse6673 I think gravity changes slightly with time (as does magnetic north and so on) so I would guess the location is less relevant than the actual measured gravity on the time/location of calibration

    • @douglashill2469
      @douglashill2469 Před 3 lety +1

      @@somebodyelse6673 See XKCD 852, "Local g". It would change the weight of the ball by a few percent, potentially.

  • @KomodoKiller
    @KomodoKiller Před rokem

    I was not bored in the slightest. Thank you for taking the time to explain extreme accuracy.
    For me personally it all stems back from when I worked as a centerless grinding technician and measured my parts with a laser micrometers that were accurate to +/- .00000005 (50 Millionth) I felt it was enjoyable to make super accurate parts and nothing was more satisfying then trying to keep the numbers as close to consistent as possible on a long Cylindrical Rod.
    One moment in particular that stood out was when I was given the “thru feed jobs” that none of the other techs liked to set up or operate. Primarily due to a fear of the wire jumping around while setting up the center-less grinder which would grab at long parts. The bigger the diameter of the wire, ( .150 to .350 for example) the less likely other techs would take the job and set it up.
    I naturally enjoyed this challenge to the point I “mastered” the thru feed big diameter jobs where the Tolerances we’re in the +/- .05th of an inch 😳.
    Normally, I was use to keeping tolerances in the +/- .005 range. So, I took it apron myself to bring the accuracy up to my “standards” as a pet project as a way to cure my boredom with a challenge that doesn’t hurt anyone.
    What transpired over a short time of “R&D” was what I called:
    Me: “A gag pin for NASA”.
    On one particular job, I discovered a way to significantly reduce the vibrations of the spinning part while also significantly reducing the ware of the grinding wheel interacting with the part. I ended up finishing the 150ish part job with 10 foot long gag pins that did not Fluctuate in diameter Along its entire length. Which was measured by our in house laser micrometer with a +/- 50 millionths of an inch in accuracy. (Always wanted to test exactly how Symmetrically round these parts were Down to the nanometer.
    I could never quit understand the “value” of those machined parts and the only close comparison is a 1 inch gag pin with a accuracy of +/- .00005 as the bench mark which go for about $50 a piece.

  • @Alexander_Sannikov
    @Alexander_Sannikov Před 3 lety +25

    can you get a pre-made ball bearing and repeatedly measure how it's not perfectly round compared to yours?

  • @paumasip
    @paumasip Před 3 lety +2

    Robin, the amount of knowledge you share on your videos is mesmerizing, love to watch your videos even being far away of my current machining level. thanks for sharing all that in a so crystal clear way.

  • @cliffordfender1159
    @cliffordfender1159 Před 3 lety +3

    I feel like I'm back in college, very well demonstrated, and very well explained. Thanks for a great watch, Cliff

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  Před 3 lety +2

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @JeSuisNerd
    @JeSuisNerd Před 3 lety +1

    Heck I keep going deeper into the precision-machining side of youtube and every day I regret getting into software development just a teeny bit more. I think I'm going to have to take this up as the world's most expensive and coolest hobby.

  • @rizdalegend
    @rizdalegend Před 3 lety +68

    "Everything is made of rubber"

    • @CatNolara
      @CatNolara Před 3 lety +6

      Everything is a spring, you just have to look close enough

    • @devinpeck101
      @devinpeck101 Před 3 lety +3

      We need shirts that say “everything is made of rubber... description in audio”

    • @mackk123
      @mackk123 Před 3 lety +1

      It's all a rubbery playdoh that acts like a diving board

    • @JinKee
      @JinKee Před 3 lety +3

      Everything is a rubber if you're brave enough.

    • @charlesballiet7074
      @charlesballiet7074 Před 3 lety +1

      vibrations technically but close enough

  • @pummppkinn
    @pummppkinn Před 3 lety +1

    You are truly in a class of your own in terms of Toolmakers. People like you are what give me hope for future of this industry.

  • @AdityaMehendale
    @AdityaMehendale Před 3 lety +9

    Small correction: 5-millionths of an inch is 127 nm at 27:54
    0.127nm is smaller than an atomic diameter of silicon :)
    Brilliant masterclass nevertheless!

    • @citymonkey5929
      @citymonkey5929 Před 3 lety

      Right. Its 0,00012725 mm or 0,12725 µm or 127,25 nm

    • @carltauber2939
      @carltauber2939 Před 3 lety

      Agreed

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  Před 3 lety

      Agreed!

    • @BrilliantDesignOnline
      @BrilliantDesignOnline Před 3 lety +3

      What's a few decimal places between friends...

    • @DavidRichfield
      @DavidRichfield Před 3 lety +1

      I was also thinking, hang on, visible light wavelengths are on the order of 500 nm, so how can he be measuring fractions of a nm?

  • @malcolmreynolds7122
    @malcolmreynolds7122 Před 3 lety +2

    I had ZERO idea that these sort of calculations went into measuring to those levels. Cool Video! Thanks for the upload.

  • @MrCarnutbill67
    @MrCarnutbill67 Před 3 lety +21

    I can’t cut 2 pieces of wood to the same damn length for crying out loud.

    • @xMilesxHighxClubx
      @xMilesxHighxClubx Před 3 lety

      lol

    • @bloopbloop5663
      @bloopbloop5663 Před 3 lety

      Line the first board you cut with the other and cut on the opposite side of the line to make up for the blade width or use a band saw that can fold down to cut like a chop saw I forgot what they were called

  • @jestempies
    @jestempies Před 3 lety +1

    I can't claim to have understood everything, but the last 20 minutes were eye opening. Thank you.

  • @robertstredde6798
    @robertstredde6798 Před 3 lety +12

    😳 so that final “total approach” number is in the region of an ultraviolet wavelength? Wow! Neat stuff!

  • @yourlocalanimeprotagonist888

    Im keeping it 100 with you i havent touched any of this kind of maching tools in my life but did i watch this entire video yes because i felt the knowladge of a master in this video and its true you sir are most deffintly a master of your craft

  • @Alexander_Sannikov
    @Alexander_Sannikov Před 3 lety +9

    this ball has a ground "equator". it would be really cool to see how you'd go around making it seamless and uniformly round in all dimensions. also, how you'd measure its precision in all axes.

    • @HanstheTraffer
      @HanstheTraffer Před 3 lety +5

      That was the point of the way he set it up AND actually why he used a ball. Just "feel for the top" and you have the highest point in that orientation...leads to ability to measure in all axes. Right?

    • @Gottenhimfella
      @Gottenhimfella Před 2 lety

      ​@@HanstheTraffer but how would you *identify* an axis, [a prerequisite for controlling orientation], if the equator was no longer a feature?

  • @thomasutley
    @thomasutley Před 3 lety +1

    Robin once again demonstrates that everything in the real world is a spring. Fantastic video!

  • @daviasdf
    @daviasdf Před 3 lety +7

    Regarding calculating the Hertzian contact stresses, check out HertzWin (freeware). I use it at work all the time, very user friendly.

  • @heronvontremonia9975
    @heronvontremonia9975 Před 3 lety

    wow, just got three nice things from this video.
    first: a useful information (freeing up the diamond with aluminium oxide)
    second: an inspiration for a project (making diamond laps with electroplating)
    third: a serious nerdgasm (when i saw your calculations)
    Thanks!

  • @irishwristwatch2487
    @irishwristwatch2487 Před 3 lety +29

    "So if you didnt fall asleep through all of that and actually managed to watch it..."
    Me: What do you mean its the end of the video?

    • @beachinrc101
      @beachinrc101 Před 3 lety

      Love how people who have no clue say dumb things

  • @georgestone1282
    @georgestone1282 Před 3 lety +1

    Puts a new perspective on the world we live in. Very much appreciate the time you have put into documenting this project. George from Indiana

  • @jonfeuerborn5859
    @jonfeuerborn5859 Před 3 lety +4

    The Carbide Kid say, "Kimwipe on, Kimwipe off. Kimwipe on, Kimwipe off." Well done, Robin-san.

  • @hoosierfatha
    @hoosierfatha Před 3 lety

    That was a great example of Elasticity and rigidity in materials. For the average youtuber they may never inspect anything at this level, but they could align a Pump and motor, set a gas turbine for alignment, or set drag or preload a bearing, maybe even do vibration measurement. this is the stuff i wish i could have learned in high school as a machine shop student. it took years of precision machining and design to start to even consider this element of design. Awesome video, please make more...Thank you..

  • @davidbingen2377
    @davidbingen2377 Před 3 lety +4

    When I was doing bridge calculations or even survey calculations, I always tried it keep in mind the difference between accuracy and precision. The two are NOT the same!

    • @Jmoneysmoothboy
      @Jmoneysmoothboy Před 3 lety +1

      If you google "accurate" it says it's the "quality or state of being correct or precise". Which begs the question is google inaccurate? or imprecise?

    • @xmachine7003
      @xmachine7003 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Jmoneysmoothboy can be both.

    • @Jmoneysmoothboy
      @Jmoneysmoothboy Před 3 lety

      @@xmachine7003That answer was accurate but imprecise and this comment thread is "on google". How was the accuracy/precision of google changed? Will it change again with your response?

    • @deconteesawyer5758
      @deconteesawyer5758 Před rokem

      @@Jmoneysmoothboy Accuracy and precision of Google results are both adjusted to suit the profitability of ad revenue and the political payoff of censorship in displaying results.

  • @captcarlos
    @captcarlos Před 3 lety +1

    WOW Robin,
    I'm always amazed at what you can do in your 'Simple Home Work Shop'!
    Plenty of inspiration in this one..
    Thank you.

  • @SolidRockMachineShopInc
    @SolidRockMachineShopInc Před 3 lety +3

    As always, another great video Robin!
    Steve

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  Před 3 lety

      Thanks Steve and thanks for stopping by.
      ATB, Robin

  • @RyJones
    @RyJones Před 3 lety +6

    glad you're back!

  • @DCDLaserCNC
    @DCDLaserCNC Před 3 lety

    My Dad was a Mechanical Engineer and I remember him talking about measuring things at these extreme accuracies. Very good video and explanations. Thank you for sharing.

  • @gavendb
    @gavendb Před 3 lety +10

    that moment when you can see your face on the ball during the lapping process...

  • @christinaedwards5617
    @christinaedwards5617 Před 3 lety +1

    A true master of his craft. Thank you for taking the time to film and explain everything so even I could understand it

  • @flintstoneengineering
    @flintstoneengineering Před 3 lety +5

    "Not a typical home shop"... no kidding!

  • @khanabdulrehman3913
    @khanabdulrehman3913 Před 3 lety +1

    Robenz I salute you .as a mechanical engineer I am really impressed with your calculations knowledge ,working and metrology instruments . great job bro great job 👍

  • @paulrayner4514
    @paulrayner4514 Před 3 lety +3

    I find it difficult machining repeatably to 0.01, in my hobby shed I might add. after watching this my head has gone boom.

  • @HanstheTraffer
    @HanstheTraffer Před 3 lety

    Posting this 4 days after watching video...Tried the grinding powder thing on a few different dremel type diamond tools (I use them A LOT). It works perhaps better than Robin even presented. WOW. I tried it on some of my better quality diamond cut off wheels...It not only keeps them sharp but evens out the surface so it cuts more precisely and a bit finer grind. THANK YOU. ROBIN for the great tip.

  • @aserta
    @aserta Před 3 lety +5

    Rob makes this look easy, but this ain't easy at all. :))

  • @donjohnson605
    @donjohnson605 Před 7 měsíci

    I love it. I was a precision machinist for many years and find it fascinating 👍

  • @andersjjensen
    @andersjjensen Před 3 lety +75

    I DID NOT read that as "making precision gag balls" at first. I swear.

    • @TheArsonsmith4242
      @TheArsonsmith4242 Před 3 lety +4

      I even had to double check my spelling comprehension. I couldn't read it as anything else. A quick google search and ... ohhh that makes more sense.

    • @jaewok5G
      @jaewok5G Před 3 lety +8

      I didn't do it either, so much so that I was going to make a similar comment.
      "mrph mll lth ngk mblby mlff"
      "what?"
      "I was just noticing how perfectly round this ball is"
      "oh yeah, I subscribed to RobRenz youtube channel and it's brought me a whole new level of precision satisfaction in my life"

    • @abkh7777
      @abkh7777 Před 3 lety

      Thats the reason i entered the video 😬

    • @lordeverybody872
      @lordeverybody872 Před 3 lety

      Rube, i got your gag balls right here.

    • @someoneelse7629
      @someoneelse7629 Před 3 lety +2

      It was my wife who showed me this video, I didn't even know she was intrested in machining, she just started making stuff from leather, so it might be related to that.....

  • @ImolaS3
    @ImolaS3 Před 3 lety

    Awesome! We have a temperature-controlled metrology room at work (20C +/- 0.5C) and now I will try and get the lab tech to let me measure in there instead of my home workshop using their kit

  • @alexandrevaliquette1941
    @alexandrevaliquette1941 Před 3 lety +13

    29:00"Yeah, it's accurate, I measured it with my trusty BS meter!!!"
    "BS" not sure about that logo to inspire trust in precision.

  • @BasementEngineer
    @BasementEngineer Před rokem

    Mr Renz, most impressive and no I did not fall asleep! Amazing what is achievable with very basic tools and a lot of skill and good judgment. I really enjoyed your calculations on the deformations encountered and allowed for!
    Waaay back I did some gage work at Big Blue and was proud to achieve the tolerance of +.0000 -.0001 inches. This in a good air conditioned tool room with equipment in as-new condition. We had a maintenance crew that would scrape in our machinery to better-than-new tolerances.
    I was surprised at the care and checking it took to achieve this tolerance on a setting gauge for use on a shadowgraph at 100x magnification for parts checking.
    At that time I was still a tool & gauge maker apprentice; I suspect this job may have been a test piece to verify my skills then. As apprentices we did real work on tools, dies, gauges, etc. that were used on the production line.

  • @bob5074
    @bob5074 Před 3 lety +4

    Did you really think we didn’t see in the reflection of that ball, that you were naked when you were lapping it?

  • @zexsrah5836
    @zexsrah5836 Před 3 lety

    Wow the amount of theory, math and machine tool experience is something to take a listen to. You sir know what your talking about hats off to you please keep educating other machinists.

    • @zexsrah5836
      @zexsrah5836 Před 3 lety

      Thank you for your experience and knowledge of our trade. Is an apprenticeship open ?

  • @wdwrxco
    @wdwrxco Před 3 lety +14

    then when you come home and find your kids playing marbles with them...

  • @unclespicey42
    @unclespicey42 Před 3 lety

    And I thought making grade 5 bearing balls requires CNC tooling, thanks for proving me wrong. Now I can lay my ruby head on my tungsten carbide pillow on my chromium carbide mattress and enjoy all the squishiness. I may not make bearing balls any time soon, but the core bit trick to make a ball end on something is freakin brilliant,. Watching your work is always a learning experience.

  • @2000freefuel
    @2000freefuel Před 3 lety +4

    Why is it so hard to source a 1 and 1/16" inch tungsten ball?

    • @ROBRENZ
      @ROBRENZ  Před 3 lety +5

      Very low demand ;-)

  • @21BDP21
    @21BDP21 Před 3 lety

    I have to admit I finally finished the video. I watch the videos at night to fall asleep to. I find them fascinating, but the pacing is just right for a video to fall asleep too. However sometimes I can't wait and I watch them during the day and don't fall asleep.

  • @ZergZfTw
    @ZergZfTw Před 3 lety +7

    Nice to see another HP calculator user, that's definitely the best calculator to get actual work done.
    So, when are you going to get a laser interferometer to measure things?

    • @chrisjennings4569
      @chrisjennings4569 Před 3 lety

      I think I would not use a laser interferometer. In the above example, utilizing physical metrology tooling gives me confidence in the results. Robrenz accounting of the squish differences gives a solid result with known factors. But the utilization of light brings in something that I have no confidence in. Humidity and density of the surrounding air. I think a lab with a controlled atmosphere and no human contact would give me confident results at this level of precision utilizing light. Just my 2c. :)

    • @jmikronis7376
      @jmikronis7376 Před 3 lety +1

      @@chrisjennings4569,
      How accurate are interferometers? A state-of-the-art interferometer can measure distances to within 1 nanometer (one billionth of a meter, which is about the width of 10 hydrogen atoms), but like any other kind of measurement, it's subject to errors.Feb 22, 2021

    • @chrisjennings4569
      @chrisjennings4569 Před 3 lety

      ​@@jmikronis7376 As you stated, interferometers are extremely accurate. They use light to take measurements. Water (moisture) will act like a prism and deflect the light causing an error in the reading. Air density will increase or decrease the amount of moisture in a given area and increase or decrease the amount of error in the reading. Even in a controlled environment with air pressure and moisture being controlled, if an object moves in this space, the air/moisture density does change. Like in a bath tub, if one pushes the water to a wall, there is a buildup of fluid at that wall. The same is true with air. So human interaction will cause a change. Even our body temp will make changes. The human aspect is taken into account with the example you brought up. In the case of the accuracy Robrenz is achieving, air and moisture will cause deviations that are difficult to account for if an interferometer is used. The inspection method Robrenz is using will produce accurate, repeatable results in an un-controlled environment. Having said all that, I am curious to see what the deviation is between Robrenz readings and a controlled environment interferometer reading is.

    • @jmikronis7376
      @jmikronis7376 Před 3 lety

      @@chrisjennings4569, I included the laser interferometer only because of its extreme accuracy. It’s not a useful device in doing lathe work. Your method is as good as I know to do the job. I think we are in agreement on this. I wasn’t trying to be difficult. My apologies.

    • @chrisjennings4569
      @chrisjennings4569 Před 3 lety

      @@jmikronis7376 No worries!

  • @iiredeye
    @iiredeye Před 3 lety

    I have worked in precision engineering for many years...But this is truly on another level. Thanks for sharing with us all.

  • @jaewok5G
    @jaewok5G Před 3 lety +6

    Now you just need take your number punch and stamp those balls so you'll know what size they are!
    "You never look at the universe the same once you realize that nothing is remotely solid and 'touching' is an unrealistic metaphor."

    • @ahaveland
      @ahaveland Před 3 lety +2

      Even punching with a number would redistribute the atoms enough that the overall diameter will be distorted and have to be relapped!
      Just like the diameter of a balloon expands when you press a thumb into it.

    • @Gottenhimfella
      @Gottenhimfella Před 2 lety

      @@ahaveland methinks Jim "make ze littel joke, ya?"
      Good luck punching TC. Would require a solid diamond number punch and preheat to several thousand degrees.

  • @bobolander
    @bobolander Před 3 lety

    once again Yoda. you never cease to amaze. and what blew me away was how you broke it all down so that even a complete n00b not only got it, but you sent my mind racing off in 20 other directions. thanks as always for the amazing lessons.

  • @kimber1958
    @kimber1958 Před 3 lety +4

    It kind of reminds me that I don’t know squat there’s a lifetime of learning a head of me

  • @Sigthelynx
    @Sigthelynx Před 3 lety

    I wasted a whole 50 min of my time to watch someone making a shiny little ball....best decision i made this year

  • @69hytek
    @69hytek Před 3 lety +3

    Bit rough! Is how I look at my jobs after watching your videos. Tom has the same effect on me as it would happen.
    You need to make a shirt 'RODRENZ "Lift your game bitch" ' It's an inspirational piece :D

  • @herberthedgpeth9940
    @herberthedgpeth9940 Před 3 lety +2

    That felt like a post-doc lecture. I think I more-or-less understood it.Thanks!

  • @davidgibson5756
    @davidgibson5756 Před 3 lety +3

    At this level gravity (location) and tidal effects(time of day) come into play as well.

  • @rossilake218
    @rossilake218 Před 3 lety +2

    Robin is my YT Engineering teacher. Mot tubers accept to within a couple thous. I started machining late in my life (55). I thank all the YT machinists: Tom,Tony,both Keith’s, Adam,Randy,Brian,Stephan,Phil,Titan,Pete,Gavin,Quinn,Pierre,Emma, all the Great Britain/Euro folks and many more. .I,m amazed at the different paths everyone of you take to completing your task. Robin helps me get down to the Tenth’s. Is it me or is it better to go with Metric measurements? I find it is better at getting to the final cut. Somebody do a comparison video. Thanks,Ross

    • @deconteesawyer5758
      @deconteesawyer5758 Před rokem +1

      Bob Lurtsema was asked if he wanted his pizza cut into six or eight pieces and he replied: "Better cut it into six, I don't think I could eat eight pieces."

  • @jeffo881
    @jeffo881 Před 3 lety +4

    WARNING: THE THINKY LEVEL REQUIRED TO WATCH THIS VIDEO MAY CAUSE PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE.

    • @ahaveland
      @ahaveland Před 3 lety +1

      Only if you think that the enhanced neural reconfiguration that happens during the augmentation of knowledge in some way damages the previously inferior configuration!

    • @jeffo881
      @jeffo881 Před 3 lety

      @@ahaveland exactly

  • @mikekellam365
    @mikekellam365 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks Prof. Renzetti!! Now my brain hurts, but just a little.. Actually, I was conjuring all the possibilities of accuracy and how one could improve upon them.. I may be on the verge of an aneurysm at this point!! All honesty, I find your videos so highly informational and accurate and it just makes me a more well educated "nerd"! Well done, and Thank You!!

  • @jagboy69
    @jagboy69 Před 3 lety +3

    I got a rusty old ball bearing out of a pair of roller skates... :-P

    • @jagboy69
      @jagboy69 Před 3 lety +1

      Seriously impressive stuff though and interesting as hell to watch. ;-)

  • @Alexander_Sannikov
    @Alexander_Sannikov Před 3 lety

    mounting wax? calibrating projector? core drills on a lathe? lapping a sphere? i had no idea any of those existed, i learned more than I expected from this video.

  • @fredgenius
    @fredgenius Před 3 lety +3

    The title threw me for a while, thought it said 'cage balls' - thinking, sure I seen this before...

  • @capnthepeafarmer
    @capnthepeafarmer Před 3 lety +2

    Hertz contact stresses, now that's something I haven't heard in a long long time. great stuff Robin! I always learn something new!

  • @jimsvideos7201
    @jimsvideos7201 Před 3 lety +6

    Oh yeah? Well I can *spell* nanometer! ...Two times out of three, with a little coaching.