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- Could the Empire or Republic have beaten the Yuuzhan Vong?
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Old Republic and New Republic on the Outer Rim: "Meh, too far from the bright center of the galaxy."
The Empire on the Outer Rim: "Hey! Those are MY worlds to strip mine!"
The CIS also has the psychological warfare aspect that'd piss off the Vong, an unleashed, unhampered CIS would be nearly unstoppable.
Droids for days...
The most effective weapon against the vong ended up being the YHV droids. Self-healing, incredibly intelligent, morale weapons with enough firepower to take down starfighters and fight jedi. Like a suped up version of the Magnaguard. The CIS probably would end up making an army of their own and the Warrior caste would get demolished.
Palpatine if the vong invade during the imperial period “This Galaxy is not yours to conquer”
"SPELL ICUP, YUUZHAN VONG" *insert Rise of Skywalker Sith Lightning scene*
I always wondered how the Yuuzahn Vong would have reacted to a Clone army or the idea of Cloning in comparison to their shaping process. They'd probably see it as an abomination due to the technology used, but still I wonder if they would have tried to adapt their own cloning process.
Not very probable. If you think about it they were around the galaxy for long enought to know about cloning so the fact that they didn't do it is evidence by itself.
@@troo_6656 Guess that is true considering Rogue Planet takes place around the time the Clone Army was in production, Im more curious as to why certainly it might have stayed off some of their population issues they were having and a better alternative to the shaping process that was producing more and more Shamed Ones as time went on during the Vong War
The Vong used methods similar to cloning to repopulate their slave race of Chazrach troops.. so maybe “technological” cloning would of been new to them but the concept wouldn’t be.. the Shaper caste were all bioengineers so developing a virus to kill off a single genetic race of cloned trooper would of been easy once they acquired a sample off a dead or captured clone..
Since the Vong valued individual skill in battle, being clones, they would of seen them as cheap imitations of their gene father & despite the clones skill in combat, wouldn’t see them as “true” warriors..
@@ravager2-636 Heh man shows how long its been since I read NJO, thanks this makes sense.
Especially considering a big element of the Vong’s defeat was their forces being spread so thin
Yup, good video. Some points I think that were missed:
1) As you pointed out in your last video on the Yuuzhan Vong war, the fact that a lot of leaders of the Rebellion were retiring was a bog deal. Had it happened during the Clone Wars, or during the Empire, they would have had experienced officers ready to go.
2) The Jedi in the pre-Imperial era were far more numerous than in Luke's New Jedi Order. The presence of Jedi really tips the scales, hence Nom Anor's attempts to hurt the Jedi's PR.
3) The Empire knew about and were preparing for the Vong. They would have moved to annihilate them at their first sighting, regardless if they were trying to conquer the Vong.
4) The Empire has Grand Admiral Thrawn (along with his "Empire of the Hand"), who had it as a personal mission to stop the "Far Outsiders."
The reality of the situation is that despite its bets efforts New Republic was the least stable goverment and so soon after the conclusion of war with the Empire they were in the worst situation possible.
On top of this we know that CIS and the Republic were held back by Palpatine durring the clone war and if the vongs were to attack they would be met with numbers that no one can overcome.
To be fair even the New Republic would have done better against the Vong, but Fey'lya was a thing.
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@@attilathehun5067 But that is the problem. They had nearly the same system as the old republic but without control over 90% of galactic economical power.
Leadership was not great in either but the Galactic Republic had the numbers.
@@troo_6656 I think if Fey'lya had just sent a Viscount or a decent fleet against the Vong before they got a beach head, it would have been a lot easier for the New Republic to defeat them. Not that they would have had an easier time than the Republic.
@@attilathehun5067 I agree with that.
In one of the NJO novels, Traitor by Matthew Stover, the Vong even acknowledge that the Empire would have defeated them. Pretty interesting to think about.
I'm not sure I agree with that. The Empire had a massive space and ground force, but to many of it's commanders held their positions due to nepotism, not ability.
There would have been massive Imperial losses, and the Moffs would have done the same thing they did when Palpatine died. Fracture.
@@shanehudson3995 That and the Yuuzhan Vong were not just a military threat. They used infiltrators, such as Nom Anor to destabilize the New Republic and sow chaos. Something the Empire apologists like to forget is that people don't like being oppressed by a dictatorial government that blows up its own planets. As another commentor put it, the Yuuzhan Vong would be "the Rebel Alliance 2.0." Sure, the new boss is a little too into BDSM, but at least he doesn't blown up his own planets. That and rebellions don't have to be allied with the Yuuzhan Vong to help, I could see plenty of breakaways by third parties. That and Imperial tech may not be as good at defeating the Yuuzhan Vong as people like to say. Sure ties don't have shields and are cheaper, but Dovin basals are multipurpose. "Oh, they don't have shields for us to strip? Well, use it to move faster or take shots." Hell, the fact that the Empire lost to an underfunded rebellion due to preparing for the next war really seems like their leadership had several screws loose.
@@shanehudson3995while I do believe the old republic would have done better, I think you are underestimating the empire. It shattered due to the loss of Palpatine and Vader, but before that moment the rebellion still had a long way to go. Endor was (iirc) essentially everything the rebellion fleet could get together at the time. Remove Palpatine trying to replace Vader in a stupidly arrogant gamble and it's unlikely they would be in danger. for the infiltration, the empire had dark side users to detect the "gap in the force" and a frankly vast internal intelligence network. The moffs and their corruption are indeed a bit more of an issue, but while they were military governors they weren't the only chain in the command with high admirals and grand moffs also being a thing. Set that section of the outer rim as a combat oversector or dispatch a high admiral known to be capable and it's going to go rather well I think. The bigger issue here is how the rebellion acts and how the Vong portray themselves, if they painted themselves as liberators they may get some serious support if this is post yavin/alderaan
I actually think it's more likely the Empire would have deliberately drawn out the confict into a stand-still; not allowing the Vong to get the upper hand, but at the same time holding back from any action to decisively defeat them. That way, there's an outside threat the Empire propaganda machine can use as a boogey-man to justify the Empire's continued existence.
I believe the CIS would fare exceptionally well against the Yuzhan Vong.
I swore that there was a description in NJO of the Corporate Sector sending a force of either B1's or B2's to fight the Vong and they did exceptionally well on the account of the Vong's inherent phobia of droids.
@@TitaniumDragoonNeo Yep. Now imagine a CIS military/industrial complex not hampered by the Clone Wars and unfettered by the Sith as all involved would have more pressing concerns.
It’s was B2s the famous Orange Panthacs
@@ravager2-636 What? No Droidekas?
@@mikevasquez1103 I’m sure some Droidekas were used but the B2s got the Holonet spot.. >;)
Id think the Empire would win, the DS1/2 would be really good against the world ships and the sheer amount of Star Destroyers would overwhelm the Vong
What about Nom Anor fomenting rebellion like nobodies business? Or all the repressed aliens finding a new government that treats everyone equally? Sure there is pain involved, but what have the alien citizens of the empire faced for the past few years? Nothing but oppression and mockery. Rise up children of Yun Yuuzhan, the technological tyranny of the Emperor will fall and a new government will take its place! Hell, I'd bet a lot of people would revolt to third parties since the deathstar would be busy with worldships. But, oh, mah militerism!
I think there’s a lot of potential for alt-history stories set in the aftermath of a Vong invasion during the Empire’s reign, and that comes down to one simple factor: PR.
The Empire striking back and protecting the Outer Rim from the Vong as soon as possible, ignoring the huffs of ignorance from the Core Worlds, would have made a huge difference in how it was perceived in the Outer Rim, and depending on how nasty things get it may even effect the Core and other regions. This in turn could have the effect of the Rebellioj being disliked/more unpopular than it was in the normal timeline if it still attacks the Empire during the Vong invasion, being seen less as noble freedom fighters and more like petulant extremists who are putting the galaxy at risk. It’d be interesting to read this sort of thing I must admit.
What about if the Yuuzhan Vong ally with the rebellion? Seems like they'd be able to, especially if the Empire is as devestating as its apologists think it would be. That and I doubt the Yuuzhan Vong would go for a frontal offensive, instead fomenting unrest and infighting with people like Nom Anor.
Vong would have subverted the rebellion
If it were to happen during the Clone Wars, you would also have the advantage of the Jedi being around since even then they were bigger then Luke’s Jedi Order. And even in the Empire you had things like the Inquisitors.
Quality vs quantity I suppose. A Venator class for instance is nothing compared to, say, a Nebula class made decades later. But when you're facing ten Venators at once you're not going to be thinking about that.
This question was settled in the NJO books themselves. From Destiny's Way:
“I can't help but wonder how the old Empire would have handled the crisis," Dorja continued. "I hope you will forgive my partisan attitude, but it seems to me that the Emperor would have mobilized his entire armament at the first threat, and dealt with the Yuuzhan Vong in an efficient and expeditious manner, through the use of overwhelming force. Certainly better than Borsk Fey’lya’s policy-if I understood it correctly as a policy-of negotiating with the invaders at the same time as he was fighting them, sending signals of weakness to a ruthless enemy who used negotiation only as a cover for further conquests.”
It was growing very hard, Leia thought, to maintain the diplomatic smile on her face. “The Emperor,” she said, “was always alert to any threat to his power.”
Leia sensed Han about to speak, and this time was too late to stop his words.
*b “That’s not what the Empire would have done, Commander,” Han said. “What the Empire would have done was build a supercolossal Yuuzhan Vong-killing battle machine. They would have called it the Nova Colossus or the Galaxy Destructor or the Nostril of Palpatine or something equally grandiose. They would have spent billions of credits, employed thousands of contractors and subcontractors, and equipped it with the latest in death-dealing technology. And you know what would have happened? **_It wouldn’t have worked_** . They’d forget to bolt down a metal plate over an access hatch leading to the main reactors, or some other mistake, and a hotshot enemy pilot would drop a bomb down there and **_blow the whole thing up_** . Now **_that’s_** what the Empire would have done.” b*
Leia, striving to contain her laughter, detected what might have been amusement in Vana Dorja’s brown eyes.
“Perhaps you’re right,” Dorja conceded.
And settled even further in Traitor:
"...the Empire was vastly more organized, powerful, and potently militaristic. Lacking the internal divisions of the New Republic, the Empire could have crushed our people utterly in their first encounter." - Nom Anor
@@zzzxxc1 Yes, let's take Nom Anor's word over Han's. Nom Anor, who was literally in another galaxy, over Han, who lived it.
The Empire did lack the internal division of the New Republic. Just replace it with intentional corruption, politically appointed do-nothing admirals, and a Supreme Commander who preferred to kill his officers at the first sign of incompetence instead of allowing them to grow and learn.
Now if it was the Empire as lead by Thrawn, sure, the Vong should worry. But Palpatine's Empire was a paper tiger.
@@davidalan528 An offhand, dismissive comment by Han versus an assessment by Nom Anor, a Vong infiltrator whose purpose was to destabilize the galaxy and make it easier for them to conquer, who had been active for over a decade at this point.
@@papapalps2415 idk if you're just being funny about Zahn and Thrawn, but I'll let Wedge speak
Cel: "What do you suppose Thrawn would make of the Yuuzhan Vong, sir?"
Wedge: "Ground Vong, probably-if he had a few examples of their art."
From The Unifying Force
Now I will admit I don't know the context for that quote, but just saying.
@@papapalps2415 Oh ok gotcha
"Sernpindal is far too distant. We will wait for these - supposed - invaders to threaten another target. A military target. A loyal system."
- Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin
I agree with you for the most part, except that with the pre-Clone Wars republic, I think they would have been worse off than the New Republic. Because the fleets would have been distributed between various sectors and megacorporations, they could have been defeated in detail. They could have conquered Hutt space first, and the galaxy wouldn't have really cared, then used the assets there to build ship wombs to build and unstoppable force while a force like the Praetorite Vong would destroy a sector defense force and eliminate its assets, and leave no survivors, then flee. Maybe sow animosity between a few megacorporations so that no one cares when, say, Kuat Drive Yards gets completely obliterated (while not touching most of the other megacorporations). Then when they are finally ready to fight, they'd suddenly hit places like major shipyards and too much of the galaxy's assets would be destroyed to be able to fight.
And even if they united all sector defense forces, they would using outdated ships such as the dreadnought for the most part and the ruusan reformations made even the newest and biggest ships be nerfed hard. That’s the case even for sector forces for rich core worlds and let’s not talk about the ones stationed in the outer rim. You also have the problem that each sector force has its own tactics, command structured and what not, so uniting them would be even more of a pain in the ass
I get the feeling you really like Eckharts Ladder and you somewhat modeled or at least took some inspiration from his channel, not saying anything negative about it, I enjoy it really, even your voice has a similar sound and tone to it as Eck’s. Also, nice video, I hope to see this channel grow soon
Eck was the one who suggested I make this channel. We have a podcast together and speak pretty much every day, so there's definitely some influence there.
@@CoreysDatapad oh, that makes sense. I hope to make my own channel one day, although I doubt I will anytime soon
Very interesting what-if here.
If The Republic is fighting the CIS I can see Palpy ignoring Rumors of far northern systems going dark... I mean He ignored Maul until he took over Mandalore so unless the Yuuzhan basically play super aggressive to play super aggressive. They could easily just sit out of the war or work into the unknown regions and set up a beachhead there. and if they spread into the unknown regions.... and then come back.
Remember alot of the War was The Yuuzhan had been discovered so they went fuck it and attacked the NR cause they were on to them
Despite alot of their Tech dying or being old, That Tech still kicks ass, I mean everybody goes on about the Dosal Basil and act like thats the only thing you gotta worry about. Not that Vong plasma weapons set the ship on fire once the shields go down. IE a SD can be brought down by a swarm of Coralskippers strafing its surface causing enough fire storms for the ship to go up in a blaze. I mean if the Yuuzhan weren't stuck in a creative sterility ... Vong warriors armed with mini plasma weapons would have turned the tide of ground battles significantly
another aspect we don't know is just HOW many of the Vong are out there... like While the Battle of Coruscant the Vong command discuss losing a lot of their forces and being stretched thin, Its clear they are referring to standing forces in the galaxy since Shimerra is convinced they just have to buckle down and wait for their troops to replenish and hopefully the rift will be big enough for their "Bigger toys" which we thankfully'?' never get to see. I guess Its good for the good guys.
and note despite being "Stretched thin" the Yuuzhan still have the numbers for two of the biggest battles in Galactic history and they had heresy going on spiliting thier unity
That and the clones are all based on one guy, so recessive genes are probably aplenty in them. Get some samples and get the shapers working! On a related note, I don't think the Empire is as powerful as everyone likes to think it is. Though they may've responded early, from what I know, most citizens merely tolerated the empire and didn't much like it. That and the species ism of it could give Nom Anor fertile ground for causing all sorts of chaos. "Oh, you poor enslaved wookiees. Make sure to join the Path of Heavenly Peace and send any samples of native creatures to the donation box. Especially viruses and bacteria!"
I think a few dozen droidekas would decimate platoons of Vong warriors. Imagine the damage they could do if they were to infiltrate one of the Vong capital or world ships. Especially if you added commando Droids.
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Who do you think would win between the neocrusaders and the Yuuzhan Vong??? Because personally I think the Mandalorians could take them.
Well the aggressiveness of the mandalorians would of put up a honorable fight.. Your still talking about 1sector worth of Mandalorians going up against the entirety of the Vong.. Both the main reason why the NeoCrusaders made it as far as they did against the Republic.. & the Mandalorians of the Yuuzahan Vong war survived when they were attacked by the Vong.. Were that the Republic & Vong had their forces engaged all across the galaxy & could only send relatively small formation against them..
The neocrusaders would have smashed the vong...basilisk war droids had enough weapons to overpower do in basils pretty quickly I think...and mando's shear ferocity...the thing I can say is they would "appreciate" each other more as both of them put emphasis on strength and we're warriors....honor...then again you never know....they might fight together HAHAHA
Literally just finished watching the previous video. Neat
Great video Corey!
It’s a shame Disney did not just use the legends source material.
It would be hard to make the Vong kid-friendly
@@Finn_7117 the original movie wasn't there to be kid friendly either per say...I mean hell brother and sister kissing on film...lol
I wouldn't be so sure about the Empire... it would largely depend on where would Palpatine's attention be, and if Yuuzhan Vong weren't stupid, those first moments might have looked like Operation Barbarossa, with Empire in USSR's role... And the Vong had a knack for expanding internal strife, thus if they pressured Palps into starting a major purge in imperial high command, those results might have been even more devastating... in fact, what if they did? Nom Anor was active for years and he also messed with post-Endor imperial government, and there were even earlier sightings of Vong agents, so I would be extremely surprised if those agents didn't sow chaos even behind Palps's back...
You forget that both Palps and Thrawn were aware of Vong's existance and took them seriously. It would look much less like Operation Barbarossa and more like the battle of Verdun for Vongs.
@@troo_6656 Actually, I am well aware about that... but even when you take a threat seriously you can still be surprised, backstabbed, manipulated into decissions... or your underlings can be...
@@marty2129 Not in this case. We are talking about sith lord and Thrawn. Something tells me Palps would not like to share power over galaxy and Thrawn was in the empire to get rid of Vongs to beggin with.
@@troo_6656 He kind of has to share power. One man cannot run an entire galaxy. Sideous had subordinates and had to deal with politics. Hell, the Rebellion was built from Sideous' own citizens, so there was potential there for a Vong lead rebellion. I doubt Palps and Thrawn knew of masquers. Even then, is Thrawn that smart? I've read Outbound flight, and his big plan to destroy the titular ship pretty much relies on authorial favoritism. He defeats the trade federation because their commanders are too stupid to program their droids to hold position at their max signal range instead having them retreat, with no override. Then he goes aboard the ship, and surprise! guesses that the federation are complete cowards from their gaudy decorations. That's not deduction, that's luck. Then Thrawn has one of these cowards, whose tech he has never encountered before reprogram all their droids to act as suicide bombers. Because the coward would totally go along with this guy he barely knows and not, say, use his knowledge of programming to set a trap for the good admiral. After all, he's got Darth Sideous to think about. But for some reason he programs all the droids to act as suicide bombers, never thinking to betray the guy who has no damn clue about this brand new tech he just encountered. It's Sherlockian, the idea that smarts means any intuitive thoughts about something have to be correct, because a character is a genius! No need for hard work or study, just a moment's rummaging in the brain box will give you the tools to defeat the enemy. It's incredibly shallow and what dumb people think being smart is like.
@@papapalps2415 Did Palpatine know of masquers? Yes he probably knew of the general Yuuzhan Vong threat, but that doesn't mean he knows of all their technology and tactics. That and Palps seemed very keen on hiding the existence of the Yuuzhan Vong, not just from the general public, but also from higher ups in imperial command. That doesn't speak to him having a good grasp of their capabilities. Did the Empire ever capture Yuuzhan Vong tech in legends? And how is Palps supposed to stop every effort to infiltrate Imperial society? Can he find out how masquers work and assign a Hand to every new up and coming imperial admiral/general/ technician to spot check for masquers? I've heard that Hands were not common and pretty secretive besides. Were they known to non Imperial high command, since the official imperial line was the force didn't exist?
Death stars and ssd's vs. World ships...
I don’t even think the firepower would have been much different. The Star Wars galaxy has been in a state of technological stasis for millennia so vessels that are thousands of years old are still viable as warships
Not quiet stasis, but development is rather slow.
The imperial.remnant era had 90 year old line ships still in use, and while noticabl, less effective than modern ones, in numbers they could put up a fight.
What I believe is an obvious military evolution in the movies is that of infantry tactics.
Ep1 and 2 show what is unmistakably napoleonic line infantry tactics,
Whilst in the clone wars cartoon and the original movies we see both trench warfare and skirmish tactics.
I believe there is an explanation for this.
IRL the advent of open formation tactics eas the massively increased lethality of small arms and artillery, and this very evidently happened since the olf republic era in the prequels.
Blasters take down armoured opponents in only a few shots at most in the movies, whilst in the kotor, kotor2 and tor as well as the associated cinematics we see a widespread use of personal shielding, and characters generally survinving being struck by blasters.
Either the loss of widespread personal shielding technology, or the eveolution of hand blaster technology to make it redundant forces the galaxy that has not fought a real war in 600 years to reenact what happened in WW1 irl.
I mean if you compare a Providence with a Nebula, the gap in power and effective range is immense. And a Y-wing compared to a K-wing, equally so. Military technology clearly developed immensely between the clone wars and post-imperial era, though it may have been somewhat stagnant before then due to the lack of any armed conflicts.
The Yuuzhan Vong Imperial War would have been like the Great Patriotic War on a galactic scale.
The empire would have lost large territories (except probably the core and the inner rim) and suffered huge losses before kicking them out of the galaxy.
True, the empire had a larger and better equipped army, but just like the red army was poorly commanded, the population did not have any sympathy for his government, especially in the Outer Rim /Belarus, Ukraine, Baltic Countries and the effectiveness of the government was undermined by the rivalries and paranoia of its leaders.
Add to that the superweapons on both sides... oh boy.
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No matter how great the power of the empire was and how competent its generals were, we know that Palpatine hit any nail that stuck out. Plus, it would have seemed like a golden opportunity to let the Vong ravage the Outher Rim for a while before annihilating them.
Like Stalin, Palps would kill two birds with one stone, the invaders would do the dirty work of destroying the hostile ethnic groups (or in the case that some collaborated with the enemy, label them all as traitors and exterminate them later) and all the cultural heritage prior to his system and on the other hand legitimize his rule and gain the support of the people as the savior of the galaxy once again.
By now he would be immortal and would have the structure of the Sith Empire ready to replace the "Senatorial Empire", so what difference does it make him wait a few more years before beginning the conquest of the universe?
Don’t know about beaten, but they’d have stood a better chance,if the CIS and Republic stopped fighting each other I can see them joining forces in an interesting way, after seeing the capabilities of the Vong a good strategy IF the Sith arn’t crippling things, would be to use the Droid Army as the main frontline force. The Vong hate droids so much that a disposable mass producible army of them could enrage them enough to hinder their tactics. The Droids would do the bulk fighting while the Clones, Jedi, and civilians would be the more elite fore, focusing on using tactics to further cripple the Vong, and the Jedi are more numerous at this time. The Empire on the other hand would have the advantage if preparation if it was true that Palpatine was aware of the Vong, a more united front then the divided galaxy decades later.
Couldn’t the Vong have created some creature that targets clones? (Like they had for Comms)
Yeah, they could create a disease that gives Jango Fett (and only Jango Fett) the worst case of the runs ever. Unleash that on a bunch of clones and see how they work.
Not to mention all the super weapons the Empire was working on would’ve made dealing with the Vong particularly easy (which is a major argument some fans and some ppl in the lore use for y Palpatine wanted to take over the galaxy, to counter the coming Vong invasion. But said argument doesn’t fly for a number of reasons that I won’t go into).
Question: had the Vong invaded during the time of the Empire, would work on superweapons like the Death Stars, Eclipse, Sovereign, Galaxy Gun, and World Devastator b accelerated to get them into the fight or would Palpatine hav been content to continue them at their then current paces?
@@papapalps2415 I was asking about the actual construction times, which can b accelerated, not development. Great example can b found irl in terms of the American Iowa class battleships. Normally it would take at least 6 years to build such a vessel but due to the war effort the U.S. was able to cut that time nearly in half
@@papapalps2415 true. But remember that the Death Stars weren’t the only super weapons the Empire was building. The super weapons of the Dark Empire were probably the most useful and destructive that the Empire ever developed. Heck a single Eclipse or Sovereign SSD could one shot a world ship with their super laser and could b built at any shipyard capable of building an SSD. The Eclipse was being built at Kuat b4 it was moved to Byss post Endor
wuz checking for yuuzhan vong videos and this came out of nowhere right afterwards WTFFFFF
Empire maybe republic no
That's my view of it as well
Ya... the official canon for the EU was that the GAoTR was 3 million clones. Which is honestly pretty insignificant. The fleets may have been larger but I really dont believe that it would compare to the New Republic Numbers wise. Yes there were myriad numbers of civil conflicts of the galaxy but that also had the infrastructure to replace those ships and build past the Old Republic navy even accounting for the conflicts leading up to the NJO era
The empire wouldn’t have let the outer rim burn.
The Empire was too busy burning the Rim themselves
@@CoreysDatapad what I meant was the industrial base would be to important to lose. The empire did more with the outer rim than the republic did. The empire would have said no the rim is ours to conquer! I can be a bit of an imperial apologist sometimes.
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The Empire or CIS would Crush the Vong.
YUUZHAN VONGS WINS NO DIFF.
Imagine if the Vong attacked Earth. CHILLS. ESPECIALLY NOW.