Thanks for the reviews. I was looking for something that feels like the real thing, the VPC 1 is really grate I'm happy owner now and I really love it.
Unless you're a creative musician, people have no clue about what its like! There's nothing wrong with taking advantage of your creativity by bringing the keyboard out to nature... nothing like it in the world!!!
Every real musician that has that option believe me they would do the same I will first game for 37 years Emotionally lifting when I'm feeling bad I want to why I had not played outside I can't go three weeks without it actually take something out of me if I don't
Hi Chuck, Great review! amazing! I like how you point to every single detail. Hopefully the manufacturers take your advice for the Kawai VPC2, if it gets created. I agree with you, the idea of Kawai with this virtual piano controller was to give the illusion of playing a real piano. The visual issue with the cables, it actually kills that illusion. I loved the VPC1, it's an ultra-realistic feel, but I returned it because it's really big for what I need right now playing on many different places. I also have a Roland A-88, which is discontinued, but, I think it is by far one of the best keybed I have ever played, probably better than some real pianos that I have played. I have also tried the Roland V-Piano, and the RD800 keybeds as well. Roland is great on this thing. I can tell the level of expression while play the A-88 is just amazing. With a good piano VST is more than fantastic. Unfortunately, as I said, it was discontinued. They realized the people is buying the controllers instead of the digital pianos, so they stopped producing it. Question: Would you review the Roland RD 2000 vs the Yamaha CP4? I would like to hear your conclusions.
A number of your reviews have been very helpful to me Chuck, thank you and Happy New Year! I recently got my own VPC1 and it's a wonderful 'piano' controller! That Kawai would invest considerable time and resources in building this very classy musical tool for a niche market impresses me very much. IMO, adding wheels, sliders, knobs, MIDI splits, a display, or other 'features' would change the basic nature of the VPC1. I like it just the way it is.
Hey Chuck, thanks for your comparison to a fine automobile. BEST TIP YET - RUNS OFF OF USB POWER! Thanks for the referral to the Ravenscroft/Ravenworks keyboards - I will check out those videos. Thanks for the "illusion" of "sitting at a grand piano" observation. The triple pedal - of course this video is six years old - on the newer MP11se (I'm sure you know this already), they do have the triple pedal in one jack plug, instead of two plugs. For a stand, yes, could be wider - I use an actual conductor's stand in my studio, that I put behind the keyboard and push it up flush against the back of the keyboard - that would eliminate your cable issue. Thanks for another great review! 😀
Dear PianomanChuck thank you for doing what you do,it means a lot for a lot of people,even though most wont express their gratitude,your review made me choose the Vpc1,from all musician around the world I want to say... thank you.Kind regards.
I've brought one vpc1 because of your review :) didn't regret it! The action is great but I got to admit there still distance with the real piano but close enough for my practice
Hi Chuck, enjoy your reviews and I love my VPC1 for all the same reasons. There is probably a good reason that the cable jacks are higher up on the unit and that's the space below is used up by the action. They may have ran out of room there and would have had to make the cabinet even wider to fit the connections lower down.
What a great review. I love that you get so picky with the suggestions! I didn't think about the cables being too high but, now that you point it out it is a pity they are so noticeable.
@@PianoManChuck I wonder if getting some cables with a right angle would solve that problem? Thank you for so many great reviews! You're the best there is out there!
Hey champ, you bring up some good points about the view of the cables. I have a good suggestion though, as I’ve been working on my third DIY pedal board, I am now looking to have all cables/plugs be 90 degree angled..You can actually get everything, USB, MIDI, exp pedals etc. as angled plugs, makes for a much cleaner look, and less worry about cables being yanked out randomly :)
These two reviews are so helpful, Chuck. I fell into owning a Nord Stage 88 and thanks to your reviews, bought the Nord monitors and music stand. I'm in my fifth year of learning to play. I had a VPC1 on order, based on another much less detailed review. I cancelled it because I feel like the Nord is just fine for me at this stage. But if they don't come out with a VPC2 in the next couple of years, I might feel like I've had my money's worth out of the Nord and order a VPC1 again. I use Pianoteq, which made such a change for me that I was sort of greedy for another bump.
@@ephjaymusic I caved and re-ordered the VPC1. Got it right away. Sold the Nord for pretty much what I paid for it, to a gigging player who loves Nords. Everybody's happy. I love it so much! There was a much bigger improvement in responsiveness and sound than I dared hope for.
@@lshwadchuck5643 hey! Thanks for answering - as a classical pianist I really want to get a single useable controller piano that won't leave me feeling frustrated when I play on it. I've had a Yamaha CVP103 for years, the keys are sticky, the noise is unbearable and the maximum velocity of the keys has dulled to about 115 instead of 127. So I was literally about to order a VPC1 as a long term replacement. Didn't like the look or the mechanisms used in other similar models.
@@ephjaymusic Piano World has a "Kawai VPC1 owners club". I suppose I can't put a link here. But there are accomplished pianists on there, talking about theirs.
Very good & useful video, thanks! Btw it's fairly easy to change those jacks that stick out for angled versions. There are also angled usb jacks available too.
Love your review of the VPC1, Chuck. I have one on order; can't wait for it to arrive! But I have to say, that business about taking the VPC1 outdoors, to the park or wherever, is completely ridiculous. This thing weighs 65 pounds all by itself, not to mention the weight of a laptop and a sound source. Do you have an entourage of personal assistants carrying your gear around for you, Chuck? Hahahaha...
True, but I just went through a two-day power outage in piano withdrawal. I picked up a bloopy ancient Casio that takes D batteries. The VPC1 by candle light would be a dream come true!
@@lshwadchuck5643 The VPC1 is a MIDI controller, outputting the information generated by your keystrokes to a computer program. That program (PianoTeq, in my case) translates the MIDI data into piano sounds, which are output to a pair of powered speakers. Without power, the VPC1 is a useless metal slab with a piano keyboard...
@@SeaDrive300 Chuck was clear on the battery-run laptop out there in the woods. My interest in the VPC 1 rests on my already ecstatic appreciation of Pianoteq with my Nord 88.
PianoManChuck - thanks for the great review! On the subject of placement of the connectors I understand your concerns - perhaps on the "VPC2" they could at least RECESS the connector area if they HAVE to keep its present higher location which might have something to do with concerns about clearance in certain situations, I don't know. In terms of the action, the VPC1 MAY have the best of the Kawai line in its RM3 Grand Action. If you like the VPC1 action better than the MP11's action then this could easily be the case because the Grand Feel action is not all that great. IMHO the reason why Ravenworks chose the VPC1 over any other keyboard as a starting point for their modifications was the fact that its action was second to none. Cheers and keep up the great work!
Ravenworks chose the VPC1 over any other CONTROLLER because it has the best piano action in a CONTROLLER keyboard. They would never choose a board that has its own sounds built in (ie: MP11) as that would defeat their purpose.
Fiiiiinally a manufacturer which understands the core need for any pure piano players! There are nobs or display on a Steinway and the feel is so important. For a piano, less is really so much more. Thanks for making this great review. i will definately consider buying it.
I bet the pedal cables are separate because if one or both of them are TRS (like a stereo plug), it's probably to provide gradations of sustain and the soft pedal - as opposed to having it just be a mere on/off switch.
Thanks a lot, after 10 years of searching and changin piano every six motnhs, I've finally found what I was looking for thanks to you. And even without trying it, just by trusting you. Now I have a question. To go gig around, now I'm using the Yamaha CP4, i love its sound but I'm feeling like I'm not sotisfied by its action. I was looking for the Studiologic Numa Concert. Do you have a review of it? Do you think its action is better than CP4. As a classical pianist I need to feel, like on my grand, that my muscles can relax at the bottom of the key. Yamaha CP1 has this feature (but costs too much), Kawai VPC1 has it too. I had a lot of other digital pianos (including the Kawai MP7) and I haven't found it in any other. Plus, I've noticed that it must be related to the use of springs instead of weights in order to make them lighter and easier to carry around. So, of course, I wouldn't move the 30kg of Yamaha CP1, but I wonder if Studiologic Numa Concert, with its 20 kg, it's the right compromise. I trust you, your review of the VPC1 is so good to me, that I can say that we have a similar approach to piano. Once more thanks a lot, you ended my endless search!
I've had a Yamaha P200 for 10 years now and I have no complaints, but the VPC1 seems like an excellent MIDI controller. I wish the VPC1 wasn't just a MIDI controller for piano software, because a mod wheel would be very useful to me when l work with other virtual instrument libraries in addition to a piano. Other than that the VPC1 would be my next purchase once my P200 completely falls apart.
Thanks for the review, Chuck. I keep hoping for a VPC2...with GrandFeel, a mod wheel (since they come in handy with VI's), and expression pedal capability...preferably compatible with a Yamaha FC7, which works just fine with my MP7Se. Thanks again... see ya
@@maulcs yeah, I know... I considered it. The main reason is really because of the VPC's design. I have a keyboard that I use for a controller in my home studio that has a wide flat top (Yamaha P150) that I put my computer keyboard & mouse on, and am able to have a couple monitors for my ProTools up there, as well. I couldn't do that with an MP11, due to the physical layout of the controls. That's the reason in a nutshell...that setup works great for me, ergonomically. And, also.. I do have an MP7SE that I use on gigs and sessions, as well as in my studio. I like it a lot, but I'm not really able to use it in a permanent setup like I'd like to. It's always something...seems like we're always looking for that perfect setup...
Just ordered one. Even 8 years later this seems to still be the best piano action on the market for this price. This Piano is perfect with the best software «Pianoteq 7» which I find to have the best dynamics and sounds overall!
I have to agree! The only key action I found to be better was the Kawai MP11 (or the newer MP11se). A little longer keysticks than the VPC1 but both are probably (still) the best action on the market today for slab pianos!
Aren't most softpiano samples midi mapable? You could have your two preferred piano samples with a split point that blended somewhat near the split point to make the transition super smooth. Regarding the music rack. I have to make my own with any controller I use. I need a flat large surface to write on that can tilt. A few I've designed can slide inward and some that can hang over the keys for ease of notating ideas (one doesn't need much space for wrist travel when composing) If one is directing a show one needs the rack almost flat for a better view. I never expect any manufacturer to get a music rack right.
Chuck, I've watched you video's and you've sold me. I desperately want Kawai grand action for my piano set up, however I also want the bells and whistles nonsense (synth, organ) that comes with something like a NS2 or a Kronos. Is there a solution for this? such as a sound module with a kawai? excellent review by the way.
Hallo, thanks for the review! I‘m considering to buy a Vpc1. I agree with you regarding the plugs. Maybe this adapters can help you out a little bit: Neutrik NP2 RX-BAG Neutrik NP3 RX-BAG greetings
Great to finally see a review by a "regular guy" for this controller. I've been drooling over it since it came out last year... I wish you talked about the pedals though. I get the feeling I won't like them, I will feel so disconnected if they move while playing or if they blatantly feel like a crude spring loaded piece of cheap metal like my current Clavinova feels. Do you like the pedals? Can you share any insight about them?
Coxis67 The pedals are decent, they seem identical to Nord's triple-pedal, but ALL pedals move/slide on the floor (there's ways around it). I only use the damper pedal, so can't really comment on the other two pedals. I've found playing any pedals in bare feet solves the moving/sliding problem!
Excellent review ! The point I would slightly challenge is your suggestion about zones split as the VPC1 other than action management delegates all other fonction to external software which is a genius strategy as the keyboard always stays actual and you can upgrade the sound and other effects when more powerful VST or sequencers arrive on the market . You can achieve a split with a good sequencer , for instance if you use reaper you can affect a midi range to a particular instrument . Also I m not sure it is such a good idea to split the zones with 2 different sampling of acoustic pianos as it’s going to mess up the sympathetic resonance unless you suppress it which would be a shame. Split works well in gigs when you want to use a bass in the lower part and a piano in the upper voice . Other than that , all the points are spot on . Keep going on , you channel is great 👍
You're assuming software/sequencer is the target output of the VPC1. There are many cases where keyboard players want to have 1 (or more) other physical MIDI instruments as their target devices... or even a combination of software and another physical MIDI instrument.
@@PianoManChuck errrr yes I am, because in the example you give in your video, you mention 2 acoustic pianos which obviously can only be achieved by sampling software ;) Now, If you want to control multiple physical electronic instruments you are right it wouldn't work , but then not only you need be able to split zones but also to assign it separate Midi through outputs as you cannot use the midi channel information to dissociate the split, as the info is going to be passed to two independent devices. Even a Korg Kornos which is really designed for stage performance has only 1 Midi through. So I am not too sure about the use case
@@PianoManChuck actually you are right , you would need a midi splitter to do that , but I have to say given the power of the workstations today , you are unlikely to see that in concert nowadays . See what variety of sounds Jordan Rudess can get from the Kronos keyboard . Although bear in mind that as soon as you want to introduce this functionality on the VPC1 you will need to implement a screen and possibly buttons as it wouldn’t make sense to use the piano keys to parameter it when you are playing ( similarly to the way you switch between velocity setups) so you would affect the purity of the keyboard’s look and feel which contributes to make it unique . Knowing Kawai very thorough process when it comes to innovation , features and quality , I wouldn’t surprise if it was discussed and an option and rejected for the reasons mentioned above I.e. limited use case and look of the keyboard .
You do NOT need a MIDI splitter - one MIDI cable hooked up to one MIDI device sends all 16 (if used) MIDI signals - that device uses the one signal it needs and passes the rest onto its MIDI OUT or THRU port to the next MIDI device, etc. That's how MIDI works.
PianoManChuck Hey CHUCK could you ask a fix-it guy who fixes keyboards to adapt those pedal cables into L cables so you wouldn’t see things I’m sure you can be done it’s just the cable
Hi! Great video :) Could you compare the keybed on the Roland Fantom 8 (PHA-50) to this? What difference is there regarding the aftertouch? I am simply comparing the keybeds! Thank you in advance. Shanti shanti
The only real comparison is the keys Kawai doesn't even have a competitor So if you're a home studio guy who doesn't do a lot of gigs and concerts and you only want to play piano or orchestrate a piece I will recommend you the VPC 1 because you have the best keys and you will be able to express better if you want to write for strings you can buy a midi controller with knobs sliders so you can control the velocity intensity volume and so on if you're more of a gig guy then I will take something else like the Roland Fantom 8 it's pretty good for people who do a lot of gigs but if you want to use midi during your gigs and you don't like the internal sound of a keyboard you can buy the VPC 1 and a midi synth then you play expensively on the VPC 1 and play some cool leads with the synth but the problem will be with weight the VPC1 is 30Kg that's a lot to carry but feel free
Simon, the latency from keyboard through either MIDI cables or USB should be minimal (less than a millisecond). It's the buffering in the program producing the sound (on the attached computer) that's significant.
Thanks vor your detailed description. It really sounds great. I wonder: Did you ever try a Lachnit FLK High End Controller? Mr. Lachnit worked for Bösendorfer and uses optical sensors instead of switches. I would be very curious to hear your test. Best wishes and thanks for your work from Germany 👍
+GayBoy886 I've not tried one personally, but I've heard they use a modded Fatar wooden action (which already doesn't sound right), they're ridiculously overpriced, and those who've tried it say the VPC1 is light years better in terms of feel/action. Can't give you a first-hand opinion though since I never tried one.
Thanx for this man. I'll look for your Ravenscroft vid. Cheers! PS (now i'm playing an 2013 ES7 this seems more purpose built for Studio..and..outdoor use ;-) how do you rate the action vs a vs the ES7? )
Well ... imho, the only negative point is the price ... one day I hope to be able to complain about the cables. BTW, the probable reason for the 2 jacks is the sustain pedal is probably analogic.
You want an audio interface. An Audio Interface will have a better sound card and analogue to digital converter, both of which will improve your sound. Most Audio interfaces also have midi in/out connections but plugging the keyboard directly to your computer via USB would be better and then just change you audio preference settings to the input and outputs of you Audio interface instead of you computers internal soundcard.
Hey, Chuck! Could you please tell/beg/persuade Kawai to make a VPC2, with Pitch and Mod wheels? After all, it is indeed a "controller", and "piano-only" keyboards only satisfy one part of the market. Others have commented about other negatives, so I wouldn't mention those; I can live with those, by the way. Please; Pitch and Mod wheels would take this machine to the next level! Thank you!
Yeah it is too nice to use like a camping guitar. A better benefit of being self-powered is you can play piano when the power goes out provided you have light.
Seems to me you were struggling to find complaints about this keyboard. I think that's a good thing. Seeing wires just add a small strip of rigid plastic (like from a set of black mini blinds) and attach that to the stand to cover the gap. Assigning different instruments to different keys should entirely be a function of the software midi package. Worst case the ravenscroft software should allow you to create a brand new midi patch set yourself to use. An upgrade to the GF action with the longer lever length may well be a good enough reason to wait for the VPC2. I'd also love to see a very simple on/off programmable midi to audio device that contains sample sets like the ravenscroft software has. That would simplify part of the chain. Of course I haven't looked around for such an animal yet. Great review thanks!
Thanks for your comments! So far, there's no indication of a forthcoming VPC2, but I suppose if enough people voice their needs to Kawai, maybe they'll listen! Correct about splits, but it would be nice to set a split point that will send on the next MIDI channel from the split point up. As for MIDI to audio devices, there used to be hardware (rack mount) versions of earlier keyboards which you would MIDI up to in the past in order to get their sample sets, but those seem to have evaporated off the market!
The MP11SE has a much better action and a lot of other capabilities for around $900 more. It's well worth the extra cost. The VPC1 is a rip off that Kawai refuses to upgrade.
Much better action? What are you talking about? It's pretty much the same action with a longer pivot point. Some people even prefer the vpc action because the gf is lighter. I'd say the gf action is a bit better because of the pivot, but both are great.
@@RA-el6zj Yeah, I've seen many posts of people preferring the VPC1's action. Just from what I've seen in videos, the MP11SE action looks light, and slow to rebound - overly bouncy. "Spongy" is also a word I've seen used. The VPC1's action looks more solid, closer to an acoustic grand. Pivot point is only one aspect, and it doesn't affect playing most of the time. Shaun Choo, who is an amazing pianist (/watch?v=PmrDjhjfTb8), said he hadn't even noticed the weight difference between the front and back of the keys. He also has a grand piano right in his apartment that he can compare it to.
Can we have one with WHEELS, please? The MPs 7 and 11 have all the sounds that we don't need, but they have wheels. Many of us already have sounds (that we like), but the cheezy controllers are a pain. Finally, a controller that reportedly feels very good, but no wheels?! Come on, man! SMH :D
+Derry Etkins While that would be nice, the VPC1 is not designed for anything but a Pianist (pianos don't have wheels). Kawai has outdid themselves in designing this controller for PIANIST's. Anything with a wheel would defeat that purpose... but would be great for the Keyboardist (which would be a different model).
yes 1400 EUROS for a high end..midi keyboard WITHOUT PITCH MODULATION BEND WHEEL ????In Kawai they want to make money OR NOT ???The 9/10 that have a midi keyboard play also other vst instruments as well or am i the only one ???MERCY
This is a PIANO CONTROLLER - not a synth or keyboard controller. Its designed exclusively for concert pianists and other professional pianists. Pianos don't have pitch or mod wheels. Its a huge success for their intended target audience. If you want something with even better keyboard action with pitch/mod wheels, get an MP11se or a used MP11.
@@PianoManChuck yes i thought about it but when i saw the 2400 euros ...i lost my hair.2400 is A LOT of money for a good keyboàrd fool of mediocre sounds.I don t play in marriages to justify the price to my self.Its not fair what the companies do and as far for mp 11 i don t know none of my social music circle that has bought it..Even in the used ads that i look i never see it.To be honest i saw only one time the vpc last year and thats all..Only on ebay you can find it but the transport cost is like buying it new..I feel like blackmailed ..Sir do you want ti buy a good keyboard ? You have to buy all the bells and whistles you don t need too!!!;-)If however in the feature a company makes a good relative cheap keyboard without many bells and wistles that takes plugins ..we will see how Kawai or Yamaha will take it..
Man I love all your hard work you put into your VIDEOS.
Thanks for the reviews. I was looking for something that feels like the real thing, the VPC 1 is really grate I'm happy owner now and I really love it.
Great review, thanks for taking the time and effort!
Loved your comments of playing this out in nature. People were wondering about me when I brought my upright acoustic onto my lawn to play it. :)
Unless you're a creative musician, people have no clue about what its like! There's nothing wrong with taking advantage of your creativity by bringing the keyboard out to nature... nothing like it in the world!!!
Every real musician that has that option believe me they would do the same I will first game for 37 years Emotionally lifting when I'm feeling bad I want to why I had not played outside I can't go three weeks without it actually take something out of me if I don't
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@Jeremias Patrick yup, have been watching on flixzone} for since november myself =)
Hi Chuck,
Great review! amazing! I like how you point to every single detail. Hopefully the manufacturers take your advice for the Kawai VPC2, if it gets created.
I agree with you, the idea of Kawai with this virtual piano controller was to give the illusion of playing a real piano. The visual issue with the cables, it actually kills that illusion.
I loved the VPC1, it's an ultra-realistic feel, but I returned it because it's really big for what I need right now playing on many different places. I also have a Roland A-88, which is discontinued, but, I think it is by far one of the best keybed I have ever played, probably better than some real pianos that I have played. I have also tried the Roland V-Piano, and the RD800 keybeds as well. Roland is great on this thing. I can tell the level of expression while play the A-88 is just amazing. With a good piano VST is more than fantastic. Unfortunately, as I said, it was discontinued. They realized the people is buying the controllers instead of the digital pianos, so they stopped producing it.
Question: Would you review the Roland RD 2000 vs the Yamaha CP4?
I would like to hear your conclusions.
A number of your reviews have been very helpful to me Chuck, thank you and Happy New Year!
I recently got my own VPC1 and it's a wonderful 'piano' controller! That Kawai would invest considerable time and resources in building this very classy musical tool for a niche market impresses me very much. IMO, adding wheels, sliders, knobs, MIDI splits, a display, or other 'features' would change the basic nature of the VPC1. I like it just the way it is.
+Michael Hagglund I completely agree!
Happy New Year!!!!
You keep saying "read my other comment." In every fucking post. Click bait much?
You can add all those things anyway by simply using another midi controller
Hey Chuck, thanks for your comparison to a fine automobile. BEST TIP YET - RUNS OFF OF USB POWER! Thanks for the referral to the Ravenscroft/Ravenworks keyboards - I will check out those videos. Thanks for the "illusion" of "sitting at a grand piano" observation. The triple pedal - of course this video is six years old - on the newer MP11se (I'm sure you know this already), they do have the triple pedal in one jack plug, instead of two plugs. For a stand, yes, could be wider - I use an actual conductor's stand in my studio, that I put behind the keyboard and push it up flush against the back of the keyboard - that would eliminate your cable issue. Thanks for another great review! 😀
Dear PianomanChuck thank you for doing what you do,it means a lot for a lot of people,even though most wont express their gratitude,your review made me choose the Vpc1,from all musician around the world I want to say... thank you.Kind regards.
Thanks for that feedback Ricardo... very much appreciated!
@@PianoManChuck its a pleasure,kind regards.
Thanks! I love VPC1! My dreams!!!!
I've brought one vpc1 because of your review :) didn't regret it! The action is great but I got to admit there still distance with the real piano but close enough for my practice
that wood stand thing you mentioned is a good idea
Hi Chuck, enjoy your reviews and I love my VPC1 for all the same reasons. There is probably a good reason that the cable jacks are higher up on the unit and that's the space below is used up by the action. They may have ran out of room there and would have had to make the cabinet even wider to fit the connections lower down.
What a great review. I love that you get so picky with the suggestions! I didn't think about the cables being too high but, now that you point it out it is a pity they are so noticeable.
Javier Bernardo A real shame, but despite that, its still one heck of a piano controller! Nothing else like it at the moment.
@@PianoManChuck I wonder if getting some cables with a right angle would solve that problem? Thank you for so many great reviews! You're the best there is out there!
Great review, sir. Really enjoyed it, although I don't have one yet. But I hope I get one soon.
Hey champ, you bring up some good points about the view of the cables. I have a good suggestion though, as I’ve been working on my third DIY pedal board, I am now looking to have all cables/plugs be 90 degree angled..You can actually get everything, USB, MIDI, exp pedals etc. as angled plugs, makes for a much cleaner look, and less worry about cables being yanked out randomly :)
Sir thank you, very informative.
These two reviews are so helpful, Chuck. I fell into owning a Nord Stage 88 and thanks to your reviews, bought the Nord monitors and music stand. I'm in my fifth year of learning to play. I had a VPC1 on order, based on another much less detailed review. I cancelled it because I feel like the Nord is just fine for me at this stage. But if they don't come out with a VPC2 in the next couple of years, I might feel like I've had my money's worth out of the Nord and order a VPC1 again. I use Pianoteq, which made such a change for me that I was sort of greedy for another bump.
I was also banking on a VPC2 but still no joy...
@@ephjaymusic I caved and re-ordered the VPC1. Got it right away. Sold the Nord for pretty much what I paid for it, to a gigging player who loves Nords. Everybody's happy. I love it so much! There was a much bigger improvement in responsiveness and sound than I dared hope for.
@@lshwadchuck5643 hey! Thanks for answering - as a classical pianist I really want to get a single useable controller piano that won't leave me feeling frustrated when I play on it.
I've had a Yamaha CVP103 for years, the keys are sticky, the noise is unbearable and the maximum velocity of the keys has dulled to about 115 instead of 127.
So I was literally about to order a VPC1 as a long term replacement.
Didn't like the look or the mechanisms used in other similar models.
@@ephjaymusic Piano World has a "Kawai VPC1 owners club". I suppose I can't put a link here. But there are accomplished pianists on there, talking about theirs.
@@lshwadchuck5643 amazing! Thank you! ♥️👊🏻
Very good & useful video, thanks! Btw it's fairly easy to change those jacks that stick out for angled versions. There are also angled usb jacks available too.
Love your review of the VPC1, Chuck. I have one on order; can't wait for it to arrive!
But I have to say, that business about taking the VPC1 outdoors, to the park or wherever, is completely ridiculous. This thing weighs 65 pounds all by itself, not to mention the weight of a laptop and a sound source. Do you have an entourage of personal assistants carrying your gear around for you, Chuck? Hahahaha...
True, but I just went through a two-day power outage in piano withdrawal. I picked up a bloopy ancient Casio that takes D batteries. The VPC1 by candle light would be a dream come true!
@@lshwadchuck5643 The VPC1 is a MIDI controller, outputting the information generated by your keystrokes to a computer program. That program (PianoTeq, in my case) translates the MIDI data into piano sounds, which are output to a pair of powered speakers. Without power, the VPC1 is a useless metal slab with a piano keyboard...
@@SeaDrive300 Chuck was clear on the battery-run laptop out there in the woods. My interest in the VPC 1 rests on my already ecstatic appreciation of Pianoteq with my Nord 88.
About the cable thing. There are angled cables. That would make them much closer to the back and maybe you would no longer see them.
PianoManChuck - thanks for the great review! On the subject of placement of the connectors I understand your concerns - perhaps on the "VPC2" they could at least RECESS the connector area if they HAVE to keep its present higher location which might have something to do with concerns about clearance in certain situations, I don't know. In terms of the action, the VPC1 MAY have the best of the Kawai line in its RM3 Grand Action. If you like the VPC1 action better than the MP11's action then this could easily be the case because the Grand Feel action is not all that great. IMHO the reason why Ravenworks chose the VPC1 over any other keyboard as a starting point for their modifications was the fact that its action was second to none. Cheers and keep up the great work!
Ravenworks chose the VPC1 over any other CONTROLLER because it has the best piano action in a CONTROLLER keyboard. They would never choose a board that has its own sounds built in (ie: MP11) as that would defeat their purpose.
Fiiiiinally a manufacturer which understands the core need for any pure piano players! There are nobs or display on a Steinway and the feel is so important. For a piano, less is really so much more. Thanks for making this great review. i will definately consider buying it.
Thank you !!
I totally agree with the cable positioning, a real shame they did not move it down, or maybe on one of the sides, opportunities for 10/10
How does it feel next to the Studiologic SL88 Grand? I'm looking at ordering one of these and I would REALLY appreciate your insight. Thanks!
Question: how do you cover the keys? (If you're moving it or if you have pets you don't want to damage it.)
I bet the pedal cables are separate because if one or both of them are TRS (like a stereo plug), it's probably to provide gradations of sustain and the soft pedal - as opposed to having it just be a mere on/off switch.
Thanks a lot, after 10 years of searching and changin piano every six motnhs, I've finally found what I was looking for thanks to you.
And even without trying it, just by trusting you.
Now I have a question.
To go gig around, now I'm using the Yamaha CP4, i love its sound but I'm feeling like I'm not sotisfied by its action.
I was looking for the Studiologic Numa Concert.
Do you have a review of it? Do you think its action is better than CP4.
As a classical pianist I need to feel, like on my grand, that my muscles can relax at the bottom of the key. Yamaha CP1 has this feature (but costs too much), Kawai VPC1 has it too.
I had a lot of other digital pianos (including the Kawai MP7) and I haven't found it in any other.
Plus, I've noticed that it must be related to the use of springs instead of weights in order to make them lighter and easier to carry around. So, of course, I wouldn't move the 30kg of Yamaha CP1, but I wonder if Studiologic Numa Concert, with its 20 kg, it's the right compromise.
I trust you, your review of the VPC1 is so good to me, that I can say that we have a similar approach to piano.
Once more thanks a lot, you ended my endless search!
Chuck what speaker monitors are you using or can recommend that sound great with the VPC 1, also what DAW are you using with it. Thanks, Michael
I've had a Yamaha P200 for 10 years now and I have no complaints, but the VPC1 seems like an excellent MIDI controller. I wish the VPC1 wasn't just a MIDI controller for piano software, because a mod wheel would be very useful to me when l work with other virtual instrument libraries in addition to a piano. Other than that the VPC1 would be my next purchase once my P200 completely falls apart.
Thanks for the review, Chuck. I keep hoping for a VPC2...with GrandFeel, a mod wheel (since they come in handy with VI's), and expression pedal capability...preferably compatible with a Yamaha FC7, which works just fine with my MP7Se.
Thanks again... see ya
Why not just get an MP11SE
@@maulcs
yeah, I know... I considered it. The main reason is really because of the VPC's design. I have a keyboard that I use for a controller in my home studio that has a wide flat top (Yamaha P150) that I put my computer keyboard & mouse on, and am able to have a couple monitors for my ProTools up there, as well. I couldn't do that with an MP11, due to the physical layout of the controls. That's the reason in a nutshell...that setup works great for me, ergonomically.
And, also.. I do have an MP7SE that I use on gigs and sessions, as well as in my studio. I like it a lot, but I'm not really able to use it in a permanent setup like I'd like to.
It's always something...seems like we're always looking for that perfect setup...
Just ordered one.
Even 8 years later this seems to still be the best piano action on the market for this price. This Piano is perfect with the best software «Pianoteq 7» which I find to have the best dynamics and sounds overall!
I have to agree! The only key action I found to be better was the Kawai MP11 (or the newer MP11se). A little longer keysticks than the VPC1 but both are probably (still) the best action on the market today for slab pianos!
Aren't most softpiano samples midi mapable? You could have your two preferred piano samples with a split point that blended somewhat near the split point to make the transition super smooth. Regarding the music rack. I have to make my own with any controller I use. I need a flat large surface to write on that can tilt. A few I've designed can slide inward and some that can hang over the keys for ease of notating ideas (one doesn't need much space for wrist travel when composing) If one is directing a show one needs the rack almost flat for a better view. I never expect any manufacturer to get a music rack right.
Hi can you please explain to me How to connect to any other speakers like monitors from the computer using like ivory 2? And how good does it sound?
Chuck, I've watched you video's and you've sold me. I desperately want Kawai grand action for my piano set up, however I also want the bells and whistles nonsense (synth, organ) that comes with something like a NS2 or a Kronos. Is there a solution for this? such as a sound module with a kawai? excellent review by the way.
Ezra Nixon I’m not chuck but the Nord or Kronos compact versions and the VPC1 as a controller for specific songs.
Hallo, thanks for the review! I‘m considering to buy a Vpc1.
I agree with you regarding the plugs. Maybe this adapters can help you out a little bit:
Neutrik NP2 RX-BAG
Neutrik NP3 RX-BAG
greetings
Great to finally see a review by a "regular guy" for this controller. I've been drooling over it since it came out last year... I wish you talked about the pedals though. I get the feeling I won't like them, I will feel so disconnected if they move while playing or if they blatantly feel like a crude spring loaded piece of cheap metal like my current Clavinova feels. Do you like the pedals? Can you share any insight about them?
Coxis67 The pedals are decent, they seem identical to Nord's triple-pedal, but ALL pedals move/slide on the floor (there's ways around it). I only use the damper pedal, so can't really comment on the other two pedals. I've found playing any pedals in bare feet solves the moving/sliding problem!
The pedals are not realistic at all. Small amount of travel like everything else out there.
Excellent review ! The point I would slightly challenge is your suggestion about zones split as the VPC1 other than action management delegates all other fonction to external software which is a genius strategy as the keyboard always stays actual and you can upgrade the sound and other effects when more powerful VST or sequencers arrive on the market .
You can achieve a split with a good sequencer , for instance if you use reaper you can affect a midi range to a particular instrument .
Also I m not sure it is such a good idea to split the zones with 2 different sampling of acoustic pianos as it’s going to mess up the sympathetic resonance unless you suppress it which would be a shame. Split works well in gigs when you want to use a bass in the lower part and a piano in the upper voice .
Other than that , all the points are spot on . Keep going on , you channel is great 👍
You're assuming software/sequencer is the target output of the VPC1. There are many cases where keyboard players want to have 1 (or more) other physical MIDI instruments as their target devices... or even a combination of software and another physical MIDI instrument.
@@PianoManChuck errrr yes I am, because in the example you give in your video, you mention 2 acoustic pianos which obviously can only be achieved by sampling software ;) Now, If you want to control multiple physical electronic instruments you are right it wouldn't work , but then not only you need be able to split zones but also to assign it separate Midi through outputs as you cannot use the midi channel information to dissociate the split, as the info is going to be passed to two independent devices. Even a Korg Kornos which is really designed for stage performance has only 1 Midi through.
So I am not too sure about the use case
@@joaoterceira9671 Every MIDI cable can handle up to 16 MIDI devices.
@@PianoManChuck actually you are right , you would need a midi splitter to do that , but I have to say given the power of the workstations today , you are unlikely to see that in concert nowadays . See what variety of sounds Jordan Rudess can get from the Kronos keyboard . Although bear in mind that as soon as you want to introduce this functionality on the VPC1 you will need to implement a screen and possibly buttons as it wouldn’t make sense to use the piano keys to parameter it when you are playing ( similarly to the way you switch between velocity setups) so you would affect the purity of the keyboard’s look and feel which contributes to make it unique . Knowing Kawai very thorough process when it comes to innovation , features and quality , I wouldn’t surprise if it was discussed and an option and rejected for the reasons mentioned above I.e. limited use case and look of the keyboard .
You do NOT need a MIDI splitter - one MIDI cable hooked up to one MIDI device sends all 16 (if used) MIDI signals - that device uses the one signal it needs and passes the rest onto its MIDI OUT or THRU port to the next MIDI device, etc. That's how MIDI works.
Is it not just a simple question of adding 90 degree jack adaptors to solve the visual issues?????
It is. As much as I love Chuck, he's a bit out of touch.
Actually, its not - this is a controller, so no audio cables are involved. You have USB, AC Power and Pedal cords.
PianoManChuck Hey CHUCK could you ask a fix-it guy who fixes keyboards to adapt those pedal cables into L cables so you wouldn’t see things I’m sure you can be done it’s just the cable
90 degree usb cables are on ebay. And you could easily cut the pedal chords and put on 90 degree stereo jack connectors. Problem solved?
@Hi Chuck, is it possible to connect the VPC1 to my iPad? Or did i need a computer? I hope you can answer me! 👍👋
Hi! Great video :)
Could you compare the keybed on the Roland Fantom 8 (PHA-50) to this? What difference is there regarding the aftertouch? I am simply comparing the keybeds! Thank you in advance. Shanti shanti
The only real comparison is the keys Kawai doesn't even have a competitor So if you're a home studio guy who doesn't do a lot of gigs and concerts and you only want to play piano or orchestrate a piece I will recommend you the VPC 1 because you have the best keys and you will be able to express better if you want to write for strings you can buy a midi controller with knobs sliders so you can control the velocity intensity volume and so on if you're more of a gig guy then I will take something else like the Roland Fantom 8 it's pretty good for people who do a lot of gigs but if you want to use midi during your gigs and you don't like the internal sound of a keyboard you can buy the VPC 1 and a midi synth then you play expensively on the VPC 1 and play some cool leads with the synth but the problem will be with weight the VPC1 is 30Kg that's a lot to carry but feel free
Just bought one and an wondering about the best way/setup in regard to latency. I didn't even realise latency was an issue with these. Doh !
Simon, the latency from keyboard through either MIDI cables or USB should be minimal (less than a millisecond). It's the buffering in the program producing the sound (on the attached computer) that's significant.
If the wires bug you so much, grab the 90 degree plugs. The plugs are low profile so you won't see them sticking out..
Thanks vor your detailed description. It really sounds great. I wonder: Did you ever try a Lachnit FLK High End Controller? Mr. Lachnit worked for Bösendorfer and uses optical sensors instead of switches. I would be very curious to hear your test. Best wishes and thanks for your work from Germany 👍
+GayBoy886 I've not tried one personally, but I've heard they use a modded Fatar wooden action (which already doesn't sound right), they're ridiculously overpriced, and those who've tried it say the VPC1 is light years better in terms of feel/action. Can't give you a first-hand opinion though since I never tried one.
Hi! Kawai vpc1 can be used as a slave keyboard? I have a kawai mp7se and it would be nice to combine the sounds with the rm3 II action
VPC1 would actually be the 'controller' keyboard. Just connect its MIDI Out jack into the the MP7's MIDI In jack.
I wonder if piano are still a thing people have in their homes. It used to be like standard furniture
did you detect any latency? compared to the mp11 was there a difference in latency that you noticed? thanks.
+Joeri Eilander but... All your other comments are also dumb non detailed shit comments :/
Hi, how many grams this key down weight?
Has anyone tried the MP11 next to the VPC1? If so how close are they in feel and playability? Thanks!
Jamie SEA This is a very good question. I wonder too whether Chuck has tried the MP11.
Thanx for this man. I'll look for your Ravenscroft vid.
Cheers!
PS (now i'm playing an 2013 ES7
this seems more purpose built for Studio..and..outdoor use ;-)
how do you rate the action vs a vs the ES7? )
Well ... imho, the only negative point is the price ... one day I hope to be able to complain about the cables. BTW, the probable reason for the 2 jacks is the sustain pedal is probably analogic.
do i need a midi interface to get better sound quality ;?
You want an audio interface. An Audio Interface will have a better sound card and analogue to digital converter, both of which will improve your sound.
Most Audio interfaces also have midi in/out connections but plugging the keyboard directly to your computer via USB would be better and then just change you audio preference settings to the input and outputs of you Audio interface instead of you computers internal soundcard.
2024 and the second version NEVER arrived: incorporating the GFiii system and real separation of pedals (between them and from height to floor)!!!
Hey, Chuck! Could you please tell/beg/persuade Kawai to make a VPC2, with Pitch and Mod wheels? After all, it is indeed a "controller", and "piano-only" keyboards only satisfy one part of the market.
Others have commented about other negatives, so I wouldn't mention those; I can live with those, by the way.
Please; Pitch and Mod wheels would take this machine to the next level!
Thank you!
Derry Etkins I think you could get a cheap mini midi controller with pitch bend/mod wheel and put it on top
I don't think anyone would wanna bring that heavy/expensive/nice thing to a party or into a forest.
Yeah it is too nice to use like a camping guitar. A better benefit of being self-powered is you can play piano when the power goes out provided you have light.
I usually just take a Casio VL-Tone with a set of spare batteries, and knock out a bit of Chas and Dave at parties.
Seems to me you were struggling to find complaints about this keyboard. I think that's a good thing.
Seeing wires just add a small strip of rigid plastic (like from a set of black mini blinds) and attach that to the stand to cover the gap.
Assigning different instruments to different keys should entirely be a function of the software midi package. Worst case the ravenscroft software should allow you to create a brand new midi patch set yourself to use.
An upgrade to the GF action with the longer lever length may well be a good enough reason to wait for the VPC2.
I'd also love to see a very simple on/off programmable midi to audio device that contains sample sets like the ravenscroft software has. That would simplify part of the chain. Of course I haven't looked around for such an animal yet.
Great review thanks!
Thanks for your comments! So far, there's no indication of a forthcoming VPC2, but I suppose if enough people voice their needs to Kawai, maybe they'll listen!
Correct about splits, but it would be nice to set a split point that will send on the next MIDI channel from the split point up. As for MIDI to audio devices, there used to be hardware (rack mount) versions of earlier keyboards which you would MIDI up to in the past in order to get their sample sets, but those seem to have evaporated off the market!
After 7 years passed on your comment still vpc2 didn’t come out yet.
I get the feeling you don't like seeing those cables Chuck.
Ya think?
Can't put my finger on what it is but.......
Speaking of fingers, how is yours?
Thanks for asking! Still wearing the splint (nights only at this point) for another week. Can't wait to get back to normal :)
Yeesh, if you think you can take that tank around with you just wait until you learn about grooveboxes
The MP11SE has a much better action and a lot of other capabilities for around $900 more. It's well worth the extra cost. The VPC1 is a rip off that Kawai refuses to upgrade.
Much better action? What are you talking about? It's pretty much the same action with a longer pivot point.
Some people even prefer the vpc action because the gf is lighter.
I'd say the gf action is a bit better because of the pivot, but both are great.
@@RA-el6zj Yeah, I've seen many posts of people preferring the VPC1's action. Just from what I've seen in videos, the MP11SE action looks light, and slow to rebound - overly bouncy. "Spongy" is also a word I've seen used. The VPC1's action looks more solid, closer to an acoustic grand. Pivot point is only one aspect, and it doesn't affect playing most of the time. Shaun Choo, who is an amazing pianist (/watch?v=PmrDjhjfTb8), said he hadn't even noticed the weight difference between the front and back of the keys. He also has a grand piano right in his apartment that he can compare it to.
Can we have one with WHEELS, please? The MPs 7 and 11 have all the sounds that we don't need, but they have wheels. Many of us already have sounds (that we like), but the cheezy controllers are a pain.
Finally, a controller that reportedly feels very good, but no wheels?! Come on, man! SMH :D
+Derry Etkins While that would be nice, the VPC1 is not designed for anything but a Pianist (pianos don't have wheels). Kawai has outdid themselves in designing this controller for PIANIST's. Anything with a wheel would defeat that purpose... but would be great for the Keyboardist (which would be a different model).
+PianoManChuck Yes. I'm "looking for Mr. Good Controller:. :)
Are you allowed to make recommendations here?
+PianoManChuck Actually most of the pianos have wheels. So... Your argument is invalid.
+RASVASINIKKA69 real pianos do not have wheels so your argument is invalid.
+CouchPotatoJr For example concert pianos aren't real pianos? I see
Great piano, but the music rest it really ugly, Kawai should have used their clear plastic music rest for all models.
Save your back...get a nord grand
yes 1400 EUROS for a high end..midi keyboard WITHOUT PITCH MODULATION BEND WHEEL ????In Kawai they want to make money OR NOT ???The 9/10 that have a midi keyboard play also other vst instruments as well or am i the only one ???MERCY
This is a PIANO CONTROLLER - not a synth or keyboard controller. Its designed exclusively for concert pianists and other professional pianists. Pianos don't have pitch or mod wheels. Its a huge success for their intended target audience. If you want something with even better keyboard action with pitch/mod wheels, get an MP11se or a used MP11.
@@PianoManChuck yes i thought about it but when i saw the 2400 euros ...i lost my hair.2400 is A LOT of money for a good keyboàrd fool of mediocre sounds.I don t play in marriages to justify the price to my self.Its not fair what the companies do and as far for mp 11 i don t know none of my social music circle that has bought it..Even in the used ads that i look i never see it.To be honest i saw only one time the vpc last year and thats all..Only on ebay you can find it but the transport cost is like buying it new..I feel like blackmailed ..Sir do you want ti buy a good keyboard ? You have to buy all the bells and whistles you don t need too!!!;-)If however in the feature a company makes a good relative cheap keyboard without many bells and wistles that takes plugins ..we will see how Kawai or Yamaha will take it..