Roof Framing and Timber roof construction, and building gable stud walls ready for barn ends
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- čas přidán 14. 07. 2020
- I am busy pitching this roof, I am going to describe what I am doing and then build some gable walls that also provide the wall plates for the small hipped ends or as sometimes known as barn ends hope you enjoy watching as much as I enjoy doing it!!
Robin, an absolute joy to watch you work, nothing you do is "about right" everythings 100% every time.
As an apprentice watching you’re channel and you’re videos on skill builder I have learnt loads of new skills that you don’t get to see on commercial building sites , cheers
Glad to help
I spend all week working with timber then come home and watch these videos, and not like I haven’t watched them before 🤣 your work is second to none 👌🏼
Robin,
You’re videos on here and over on skill builder are so good.
I just love your work ethic.
Keep up the good work mate 👍
Stress level through the roof watching you jumping over that massive hole in the floor!
aye I cant see a trimmer under it ,unless the board is over hanging it :O
HSE !!! lol
I am ever so sorry that I missed out on an apprenticeship as a joiner, wrote the test and past, but was unable to continue. I have many years experience working with very good carpenters, my dad included. So watching Robin is absolutely awesome, because of the way he perfectly explains every part of the assembly. It is like I am getting a chance to do an apprenticeship. Thank you Robin!.
Thank you Shaun nice message mate
I’m a sparky that secretly walks my dog past new builds so I can look at the roofs. I’ve yet to find a group for this problem but in the meantime I’ll just enjoy this video. Top work and it’s great to see someone who enjoys his trade rather than just thrashing it in and moving to the next one
Ricki Brown You would be a perambulating tectumphile 🤓
Sometimes, "thrashing it in" as you said is what the boss says needs to happen. If you make the person who writes your paycheck unhappy enough you get pushed down the road. I will say there are two sides to that coin.
Scott Rod I think it depends on what you class as thrashing it in. I did my time in the UK and moved to Australia a couple of years later (around 10 years ago). Over here there seems to be a culture of working to meet minimum standards rather than exceeding them and the classic, “close enough is good enough” That’s what I’m referring to.
I'm a sparky in Australia and now 3 weeks into my carpentry apprenticeship.
I agree with you, Ricki Brown. Close enough seems to be good enough.
I do love it though and I hope by the end of my time my skills will improve and I'll be able to mix it with the best.
@@SpeakEasy2 If that’s what you genuinely believe then I sincerely hope I never have you on any of my jobs. If you have a boss that has that attitude then take a leaf out of Robin’s book and go your own way. That’s if you can, of course. If you’re happy to pick up a regular pay cheque working for a cowboy then that’s your prerogative.
I just want to say BIG thank you for taking the time to film this.. Having recently put barn ends on my garage cut roof & the same on my trussed house roof, i wish this video had been around then because it would have really helped. Just so much info in this one video. Thank you
Geez you’re a good chippy rob. Hats off to ya mate.
This was mint, chief!
As a fellow picky carpenter (an American one), i really enjoy watching your channel. It is so interesting to me to see the small differences & similarities in how you do it in the UK. I like to treat framing the same way i treat finish work, right & tight. and it looks like you do too! Excellent work.
Thanks Kevin!! I agree about treating Framing the same too !!!
There's something really therapeutic about watching these videos. Thanks Robin.
I had to look away mate when the foot was in front of the nail gun lol 😂😂😂😂😂
I have to agree, that was just crazy. I’ve had 90mm nails go in , hit a knot curl around and come back out where they went in. Not all nails go straight in Robin. In a worst case scenario he could have nailed his foot
Covcarpenter, I have never used a nail gun. I have been licensed to use the Ramset Free Flight Gun. We never had nail guns in my time. I used a claw hammer and I have been on the floor for a week laying down tongue and groove flooring.
@@andrewphillips4897 I'm fighting the urge on the guns - hammer and nails - never jam. Every time I bash my hand I think that could have been a nailgun accident.
Lovely roof robin 👍😁
Thank you again Robin for sharing your knowledge - very inspiring!
Great to see a true professional at work.
A real treat to watch , thanks for posting ..
Brilliant chippy! I’m always learning from your videos thank you.
Spot on mate! Your passion for your work is contagious 🙂👍
Perfect! Great video Robin.
Really enjoyed the second half where we were just watching you doing your thing.
Brilliant video Robin thanks
A one man University, great to watch and learn from a natural. Thank you.
2 thumbs down from truss manufacturers 🤣 nice roof Robin!
Really great to watch and you kept going when it started raining !! You don't see that very often most sites I work on if they see a cloud in the sky they want to go home !!. As always thanks for sharing.
Truly excellent once again. Absolute inspirational to use new DIY builders
Glad you like them!
that is a great job their robin it's looking good cant wait for the next video
don't you just hate it when the gun runs out of nails at the point you want to nail. great video yet again thx for this and a good reminder for me, I am a joiner/cabinet maker but started out in life as a carpenter, until this video I was over processing my gable end making for a greenhouse so thx for this video showing how easy it actually is.
Awesome stuff Robin in your element mate.
Been working domestic sites for 2 years and 2 years at college before that... No one can teach aswell as you do I'm 25 and wish I could find some one local as awe inspreing as you! So much knowledge I would love to Lean! Love your work can't wait to see more!
Thanks James, glad you can find some useful tips from me, I will keep them coming it all boils down to practise mate, keep up the good work
@@ukconstruction jhdcarpentry is my Instagram if anyone is interested haha
Good stuff, I was building a short staircase this morning, head scratching, 'wish that Robin was about'!
I’m Inspired to become a chippy watching you Robin would love to be your Apprentice it’s all about the perfection a rare sight these days :))
Practise makes perfect and you sure are perfect.
excellent video, and informative
That roof space would make a lovely grow!
Unbelievable work and a great video 👏👏
Thank you very much!
Lovely job..
Nice work again robin👍👍👍✊
Hi mate . Great video. Good idea with the removable studs . First time I've ever seen anything like that
Master Carpenter 👏👍
👍 Thank you, thats kind
Making it look easy yet again
Looking Good!
Thanks!
Hi Robin, Nice job, I like these sort of jobs some thing to get your teeth into and at the end of the day you know you have done a good days work. Thanks for sharing.
You are welcome Peter
I like the super staging here in America we put a common rafter in the gables and notch the studs into it looks good you do nice work
Great video! Like 👍 from România 😉 🍷
Killah level!
You made me spend alot of money on Hikoki tools. I hope your happy
Great work and video. Why the removable studs?
Great job yet again. 8:42 please nobody ever use a powertool >towards yourself with the workpiece in between you and the tool. Keep the tool in front of you directed at the workpiece. You have more control, can exert more force with more precision, but most of all you don't risk your guts when there's a backlash or something fails, breaks or otherwise doesn't go as expected. Stay safe!
nice one, timber frame buildability, reminds me of Cornwall, some few year ago, ROBIN such passionate guy, my respects, I will share your channel too
Thanks Mate
another stellar video Robin .... I enjoy them all sooooo much, might have to purchase a mic for you
That is absolutely shit hot workmanship👏👏👏
Do you remember back in the early days of your apprenticeship Robin, where all of this was hand cut and nailed with 3inch and 4inch wire nails?. It amazing to think how far carpenters tools have come in 30 odd years. (I remember feeling like a dog with 2 tails when I first got a Yankee screwdriver). The Brickie's tell me carpentry is just about pulling a trigger nowadays!!!. Cheers.
Mate you are so right!!! I didn't even see a cordless drill until I was about 4 years into my career!!! I still have boxes of 4inch nails in my garage!! I might as well sell them for scrap now!! Have a great weekend mate
Ah . A joy to watch , a man after my own heart . Love the attention to detail and plumb . That looks like a cracking project too. Which xrand of mailer is that...very quiet. Obs not paslode .
It's a Hikoki.
that hikoki nailer will do wonders for your biceps
Hi Robin...on a first floor extension on top of a brick extension. Got to be in timber owing to existing cavity too small only 50mm. Would you build that in treated kiln dry timber or just normal timber untreated? Also is normal untreated timber size not the same as treated timber size? I hope those questions make some sense...
Fantastic work, as always, will be a shame to hide it away under tiles. Could you tell me what length ringshanks are you using with the 47mm timber?
I loved where you placed your left foot at 5:55. Do you ever miss?
If you didn’t live so far away I would offer to come and help you on a roof for
Free just to get some experience off a proper carpenter 💪
Hey Robin awesome video Bud, love barn hips one of my favourite roofs, all the best Tony 👍
@Robin Do you have plans for this garage. I am looking to build the same. It looks fantastic.
Hi robin, great video I was just wondering what is the reason for the removable stud? Haven’t seen this before.
For a future door way or window opening
Just going to ask the same thing !
@@ukconstruction Good idea preempting it with the 'lintel' . We had to do a truss half hipped roof. It would have been a million times faster hand cutting it.
I will be converting my loft in the near future and have got limited headroom . I was thinking of lowering the ceiling height in the bedrooms below would eco joists give me more headroom rather than using steel beams . Any help would be most grateful cheers robin 👍
Hi robin what brand nail pouch are you using ? And banging vid as always , learn something new everytime !!
I'm going to say a kunys that's what I use and it looks similar 🔨
Would love to see a temporary board over that hole you keep straddling! Other than that, love to watch a skilled person do their thing. Thanks Robin :-)
How did you layout the stud spacing on the "top plates"?
Firstly awesome video. Silly question why would install removable studs? How would you do that later on when building ply skins are on etc?
Hi Dave we fitted these removable studs to enable a future door opening, the sheathing on the outside was screwed on these studs so its a matter of unscrewing and then knocking out the studs.
Robin doesn't cut wood - the wood sees him and then divides itself
What sawhorses do you use robin?
👍
Hi,
how often as a builder do you use Isosceles triangle theorem?
What's size is the stud in the walls also 8by 2?
hi robin. on another video could you possibly explain how you determined what the height of the stud wall had to be and how far the ridge had to be cut back in order for it to work together. great videos
thanks
Will do Matt
Its Its normally determined by architectural drawings on the barn end gables
Lovely job Robin, never seen trimmers notched for rafters before. I take it you will still have to fit hangers??
I don't use a hanger in this situation, this joint is really strong and the use of hangers around roof windows depends on certain factors, i.e the skill of the carpenter or framer and also the size and load of the window opening, smaller roof windows and oversized rafters nearly always eliminates the need for hangers, hope that helps Shane
@@ukconstruction thanks Robin that's really good to know. I always thought it was a standard requirement . I would much prefer doing it your way 👍
Hi Robin, have you got any vlogs on the roofing square, tbh I avoid using a roofing square and use the speed square and a phone app to work out my rafters and hips etc. Everytime I look at my Gibson rafter square my eyes just go googley at all the information on it and I just use it to check that things are square, a total waste i know. Love your videos, nice to see a proper tradesman at work and enjoying it.
What phone app do you use?
@@fwr0132 hi. Roofing calculator from Google play. Free and works it out very quickly.
Hi, The roofing square does take a bit of understanding but some of the figures on there you don't need, to pitch a roof, I,m an old timer and used the imperial one, but all it boils down to is run and rise and on the old imperial one for common rafters it is always 12" on the tongue representing the run and the rise per ft on the blade for the hip that runs at 45degree it is 17" on the blade and the rise of the hip which will be at a lower angle with the metric one it only takes a bit of study and practice why not make up a model in your garage or work shop you can always check if you are going the right way with your other method good to have another way in case your phone goes kaput. all the best
@@peterbell4154 Thanks for the information Peter, I look at it and think I'm dislexic, I've only ever used it to check for square and lay out cut stair stringers, I always have it with me but rarely use it. I suppose we all shy away from stuff that doesn't work for us and use the stuff that does. We all learn how to do things in different ways,.
@@TheBadgolferman Hi Thanks for your reply, yes your right we all have our different ways of achieving the same end. I must admit I have changed my approach to framing a roof with the advent of calculators I do still cut and pitch even though I am probably a bit older than yourself (well quite a bit actually) I still use the square to set my cuts but calculate all lengths using the calculator I now, I just take run of rafter divide by the Cos. of the angle gives me length of common. for example, 2.4 divide by cos 30 degree = 2.771, I think some of the other methods use the Sin button and then you just x instead of divide . But the old scientific calculator works for me if you have one try it the button just has Cos on it put in your run then push the divide button then push cos button then put in angle then =.
Gone on a bit here but quite passionate about my work. all the best
what is the span of the ridge board?ridge beam
it easy when you do it ... take me all day .
you ever had nail shot to foot or hand ?
Removable studs. They are all removable. Just put some muscle into it.
Robin you remind me of Larry Haun :).
RIP good man
Larry was an old school production framer, efficient and quick. He was a true master of what he did. They are pretty much opposite as carpenters and thats not an insult to either, both taught me the most on youtube!
Watch Larry build a rake wall, lay them loose and chalk line it.
Larry was fast
Robin is more of a fiddly craftsman
I enjoy learning from your videos taught me alot. I'm a bricklayer by trade 90% of my time is natural stone. I enjoy joinery more as a hobby as my father is a carpenter by trade. Just wondering if you could mark up the 3,4,5 method on you first stud you fixed and your brace. To effectively plumb the stud?
absolutely George, providing that the bottom or sole plate was really nice and level, what sort of natural stone do you lay?
@@ukconstruction thank you for the reply, I see you as a dying breed of tradesmen where quality comes before quantity. I lay all types and styles have a look on my Instagram @bishopbso I try to keep a portfolio of what I do.
@@georgebishop4757 You are too mate, great work on the insta and the chippy work great bit of feature panelling!!!
@@ukconstruction thank you
What model Milwaukee chop saw are you using robin cheers👍🏼
This is the M18 FMS305 brushless battery saw, been using it for a while now and really enjoying it, hope that helps Jamie
Robin Clevett thanks for replying robin you’re a legend 👍🏼
Robin be honest. Do you wish the hikoki nailer had a way where you can turn off the auto off feature
It does take some getting used to and I agree that if there was away of extending the on time that may stop a few moments that you try a shot and your holding everything nice and true and bang the power is off!!!
Hi Robin. When nailing your studs is it just as strong shooting them into the studs diagonally into the sole plate as it is shooting up into the studs from under the sole plate? cheers as always :)
A bit of both, I toe nail and through nail where I Can, its important to have at least 3 fixings at each connection too
@@ukconstruction As always thanks for your answer mate
Ronnie Corbett roofing"!
I would love if you made a video talking about what accidents you have had as a carpenter so that people can try to avoid them happening to them.
What is that hikoki circular saw at 7:29?
Hi mate not sure if u can help if going to be building a outdoor patio with roof will be 3.5 x6m with a opening around 5.5m will my roof have to span over the 6m side or wud u suggest a size timber lintel to hold the roof resting on the 6m side
Go for a timber beam supporting the shorter span look at using a nice piece of glulam that is super straight and strong and looks great too
Robin Clevett thanks for ur help
Hi Robin i have small question ,,i always was wondering why in UK roofers dont use metal straps in diagonal orientation , all over Europe as far i remeber if you dont use 2 straps per side (each one in difrent direction ) you asking to have small chat with building inspector ,is any particular reason for that? that always buged me as those straps these days are pennies , even stainless one you can buy in screwfix quite cheap ,i was witness for couple jobs where crew were using 3x1 as diagonals ,nailing them inside in cramped space ,i hope you will solve that my small mystery...
best regards
p.s that wide camera angle make look that roof like gona be unstable on those cripple walls ,its funny how angle of shot can change perspective
btw Great job with roof
Hi Marek, we do use these types of straps as gable restraints and also for holding the building down from the wall plates this is mainly where we have brick walls and brick gables in fact the gable straps are more about keeping the gable from flapping around the the gable holding the structure, In modern trussed roofs we have a series of bracing in all directions and at all points of connection but the rules are slightly different for the traditional roof
Related to LARRY HAUN !!
Trying to find a good Gable Ladder video. Fancy doing one....? 👀
Hey Robin what size nails do you use for framing?
90mm I'd say, or 3-5/8", 👍 🔨 🇮🇪
Could this type of roof be used on a classic bricks and mortar type house Robin? So the concrete wall would finish same height as the dwarf wall.
So add cavity closers all round the perimeter i.e. so that the gable (wood ) can be built up from sides also via stud plate connection.
Hi Damien, that would depend of the way the wall could restrain the wall plates from spreading as there would be no collar or joist at plate level, we had the main posts coming from ground level up and braced by large beams at finished floor level offering support to the plates in four points thus avoiding spread, I have done this on cavity brickwork and we sometimes use a ridge steel to hang the rafters and thus stopping the downward spread, this would be dependent on the overall length of the building as there is a limit to the size of steel!!! hope that helps
@@ukconstruction Thanks for the input. I know what you mean. Like a redesign attic conversion approach..... add a H beam resting on the gable walls (on padstones) for extra support. I have a 5.2 Meter span so i'd need to bolt two H-Beams together for practical logistic/access reasons etc .
Hi Robin, How often have you nailed your boot (hopefully!) to the floor?
Hi Michael, touch wood (obviously!!!!) I have not done this yet!! maybe this will jinx it!!! I was waiting for someone to mention the position of my foot!! nice one mate
Robin Clevett Happy to hear it. Watching your video I understood the idea quite easily but was amazed at the casual and relaxed way you went on to cut and fit the fairly complicated structure. I guess that shows the difference a few tens of years experience makes. As a novice ( even though about twice your age) it was quite humbling. Clever to think ahead and fit the loose studs, I assume they weren't nailed at all and just held in by the tight fit. Always a pleasure to watch a master craftsman at work. Painful later when you try to replicate it and usually mess it up! Mike
Robin Clevett on a second look I see that you did lift your toe up a bit
What's the aerial for on your ear defenders? Radio or phone calls?
Just for my FM radio, I often work alone and need some entertainment, these headphones also have a setting that will mean I can still hear conversation etc whilst the radio is on and I am wearing the so great for safety and protecting your hearing
How many ounces is your Estwing hammer?
It's a 28 ounce California framer also known as the big blue
Hi Robin, Quick question. I am trying to work out the pitch on my roof (still in planning stage).
As you can imagine, I cant use a straight 12/12 for 45 deg pitch due to height I have to play with.
Can you look at below and see if I did my measurements correctly please?
A= Top Ridge, down to top of wall plate
. (Horizontal)
B= Half span (Vertical)
A/B >>>> 1220/2075 = .58
tan-1 of .58 = 30.11 ................... ..............so the pitch will be roughly 30 degrees
Note: I'm an IT guy, so I am using basic school maths here to try figure this out.
I could work it all out later but I want to figure out what roof tiles would be in scope for my roof etc,
Looks about right!!! Can you get up to 35 degrees as this gives you more options for different roof tiles
@@ukconstruction no unfortunately not, in Ireland we get a max 4 meters up from floor level without planning for outbuildings. I go 29 bricks up at 2175 and then I have a soldier course followed by a cavity closer and on top a soapbar and finally a 50 mm wall plate this brings me to 2680mm so I only have 1220 left : ( .... I left 100 mm out for the ridge tile height.
Robin, do you ever get jobs because of the quality of your work, or are they all contingent on price?
Well I still have to give the right price for my work, most people just assume that everyone builds the same!!! most people buy on price!! I do tend to work with the same type of customer over and over again, generally if the client wants a proper job and is prepared to pay what that costs then we have a deal!
@@ukconstruction Thanks a lot Robin. I'm really impressed with your work; it's superb! Makes me want to become a framer.
do you have an resources on what width of wood to use for the roof trusses? my span is 18', 1.5' pitch....I wonder if 2x6" would be ok?
Hi Jonathan, for a span of that size if there is no mid span support I would use a 2 x 8 or maybe even a 2 x 9 this would depend of the weight of the final roof covering and the centers of the rafters if you have mid span support such as a purlin then 2 x 6 would work, always have this looked at by an engineer for a calculation if your unsure, hope that helps, Robin
@@ukconstruction hi Robin, yes, super helpful, would be a large lengthwise span of 38' so imagine I'd need a few 2x12's even, doubled up for the backbone. I think I'll just design it like that and see what engineering thinks.
In the market for a new 1st fix and 2nd fix battery powered nail gun and Pinner. You recommended hikoki Robin?
Hi Jordan, I really like the Hikoki nailers they are reliable and strong, not only that I have been working with Hikoki (hitachi before name change) for several years and I really admire the effort and research that they put into their tools, let me know how you get on
Robin Clevett HiKOKI/Hitachi NT1865DBSL 18v Brushless 16Ga Second Fix Nailer I’ve purchased. Got a weekend of oak and walnut skirtings, architraves and spindals to do. See how it goes.
Hi Robin Why did you use a level instead of the Speed square to mark off the height of the short stud at the side of the end wall? (at about 8.18 in the video) Wouldn't a square have been quicker? Mike At 1335 " Mind the gap!
thats because if there is a twist in the timber the level will mark it level and in that instance that is important to me and a square may mark the piece out of level
Robin Clevett Hi Robin Thanks, I thought there might be a reason for it since I noted that you did use the square for cutting other studs later in the video. Mike