Christs Actual Church, the Orthodox Church!! ☦︎ Christ has risen! God Bless you, and i wish you a Good Start into your new life, in the Original Church, The Orthodox Church!! ☦︎ And i assume Orthodox, because you said Christs actual Church, and that's the Orthodox Church. ☦︎
All denominations of Christianity will send you to hell. Just be a Christian and stay away from churches and denominations that twist the teachings of the bible
@@LonelyyPoisonCatholic and Orthodox are pretty equal, both apostolic. The main difference is a few basic beliefs that either one could be right or wrong on. But none vital to salvation it seems, so not too big a deal. I’m Roman Catholic myself, but I have a deep respect for my Orthodox brethren.
Christ's actual church are the people whom the Holy Spirit dwells, people who surrender their life to Jesus, people who do not use and do not bow down to ANY graven images be like in heaven or on earth, people who follow Christ, not the tradition of men.
My cousin didn’t have the best life and his mom was never in his Life and she still isn’t in his life so he always says MY REAL MOTHER IS IN HEAVEN… MARY❤
@@murielpucoe9213He all Mary full of grace Lord is with thee blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of her death amen.
Matthew 12 46While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 48But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
John 14:6-7 NIV [6] Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. [7] If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
@@Hgxts that's wrong! You confess your sins to God, and Jesus died for your sins already! You don't need a third person for that! MARY WAS JUST A WOMEN!!!!!
The topic is Mary's maternal mediation. Can it be truly said that Mary mediates Christ her Son to us? Is she the Mother of all believers? And what exactly did St. Ephraem the Syrian (+ 373) mean when he said: "After the Mediator, you (Mary) are the Mediatrix of the whole world" (Oratio IV, Ad Deiparam). I will attempt to demonstrate Mary's maternal mediation from Scripture. Primarily, the unique mediation of the "One Mediator," Christ Our Lord ought to be understood of His hypostatic union: i.e., He is both true God and true man and thus is, in Himself, the Bridge between God and man. In this sense, He is the Unique Mediator. The first Scripture is Jn 19:26-27: "Woman behold your son; behold your Mother." The interpretation put forth is that this is a universal proclamation of Our Savior, before His death, for all Christians: namely, that we must behold Mary as being our Mother in the order of grace. This claim is based on: 1. the term, "beloved disciple," which is the self-designation of the Evangelist, and which was inspired as such to be open to a universal significance; that is, that every person beloved of Our Lord is signified also in this name. 2. the unique fruitfulness of Mary's faith, which conceived Our Lord by the power of the Holy Spirit in the fullness of time at the Incarnation, and which at Calvary remained singularly fruitful in conceiving the life of grace within the Beloved Disciple and thus, by extension, within the heart of every believer, inasmuch as we have all been reborn by the saving mystery of Calvary. 3. the appellation, "Woman," by Our Lord, which situates the Crucifixion typologically in the context of a New Creation: a New Adam and a New Eve. Regarding the designation of New Eve, we first hear of this term in St. Justin Martyr (+ 165), St. Irenaeus (+202), and Tertullian (+ 240). Justine lived in Palestine. Irenaeus was born in Turkey and lived in France. And Tertullian lived in Carthage, N. Africa. Given the geographic diffusion of this 2nd century teaching, it most likely originated with the Apostles themselves. Therefore, as Eve was the mother of disbelief unto original sin, the New Eve is the Mother of faith unto our justification. The second passage illustrating Mary's maternal mediation occurred just days after the conception of Jesus Christ in her womb. At the Visitation, she carries, in haste, the Divine Presence to Elizabeth, who is six months pregnant with St. John the Baptist. Elizabeth testifies, "A soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy" (Lk 1:44). The interpretation runs thus. Mary communicates the grace of faith to both Elizabeth, who is filled with the Holy Spirit, and John, who leaps for joy. That is, grace is communicated through this word of faith to the hearers, hearers who are also in the Divine Presence of Jesus Christ. But Mary mediates the mystery through her word, which is the instrumental cause of this grace. The assertion is that her word is causal, in the effects evident in Elizabeth and John. And this interpretation is based on Elizabeth's own observation and confession. Jesus Christ, who is the source of all grace is the final cause of this grace, but it appears as working -- or mediated -- through a creature. A third passage that has been put forth above is the Wedding Feast at Cana (Jn 2:1-12), at which Mary enjoys a preeminent place: "And the Mother of Jesus was there." In this interpretation the will of the servants is observed to be first and foundationally obedient to the command of Mary -- "Do whatever He tells you" -- an obedience through which the servants pass as through a door so as to become obedient to Our Lord's subsequent commands -- "Fill the jars with water" and "Now draw out." In this way, Mary is seen to mediate the servants' obedience to her Son. This is a volitional mediation and, as such, demonstrates the principle "To Jesus through Mary." That is, as Jesus Christ first came to us sinners through the Woman, so we likewise return to communion with Him -- our obedience of faith -- through the Woman. This also respects the chronology of the Fall: the sin of Eve prior to the sin of Adam. Here we have the faith of Mary unto the righteousness of Christ. In the language of the Church Fathers, it is the untying of the knot of disobedience. A fourth passage demonstrating the maternal mediation of Mary is the Woman of the Apocalypse (Ch. 12). The Woman travails with her firstborn son, who is destined to rule all nations with an iron rod (i.e., the Christ). Subsequently, His brethren are also mentioned, also born of the Woman, although the birth is singular. The interpretation is that Jesus Christ has only one Mother, and since He has come to live in us, through justification by His Blood, we also have this same Mother. Thus also Jn 19:26 above, "Behold your Mother." In the above, Mary is observed to be the Mother of the Church, and the Mother of all believers. Her faith is singularly fruitful not only at the Annunciation, but also at Calvary unto the perpetuation of the life of Jesus Christ in the heart of believers.
1 Timothy 2:5 5. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, Luke 11:2 2. And He said to them, "When you pray, say: 'Father, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come.
@@Christusvinci Only a living member in the Body of Christ, redeemed by His Blood, can mediate for another. And the one who made this Blood possible (i.e., the Incarnation of the Word), by her maternal Fiat, still holds the same preeminent, maternal and mediating role for Christ's Body the Church. In other words: there is no Precious Blood (the Incarnation) without Mary's Yes; there is no redeeming Blood applied to your soul (the Mystical Body of Christ) without Mary's Yes. The Mother is not optional in the generation of offspring.
The Visitation (in addition to the Wedding Feast at Cana) is also a revelation of how Mary mediates her Son to us. It is at her word that St John the Baptist leaps in his mother's womb. A created word, the word of the Blessed Virgin Mary, mediates the divine Word of God to St John the Baptist for his sanctification and St Elizabeh as well.
How do you get all that from those passages? You think that she mediates Jesus to us now because John the Baptist leaped in her mothers womb? Why is it that this is not made clear in the epistles by the apostles if this is so. Jesus says that it is the Father who draws us to Him (John 6:44). The Holy Spirit baptizes us into Christ (1 Corinthians 12:12). There is no role of a human mediator or intercession bringing us to Christ. It is all done by God. I think this is a problem with some doctrines people hold to: they are often eisegeted or read into a text without the text clearly stating it. For instance here, the leap was made from two account about specific situations to a universal application where Mary is given a present role that God has not revealed about her in scripture.
You do teach Mary died and rose again and call her Mediatrix but i know you not believe she is God our Savior but somehow we can call on her for help with Son in Heaven.
@@TomPlantagenet At the Visitation, the supernatural effect of Mary’s greeting is made explicit by the Word of God itself: "And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit." You disagree with the Holy Spirit's testimony or with Elizabeth's? For she herself testifies that "the sound of your [Mary’s] greeting" is that which has precipitated John's leap in her womb. The charge of eisegesis can be an escape hatch when plain assertions about Scripture cannot be countered. I assert that the sound of Mary’s greeting caused both the leap of John in the womb and Elizabeth's being filled with the Holy Spirit. And I base this on Elizabeth's own testimony, a testimony regarding cause and supernatural effect. You simply do not like the inevitable conclusion and so level the charge of eisegesis. Though you would readily concede the power of the Ark of the Covenant (made.of wood and gold) in the Old Testament, you fail to recognize this same God now working through a human person.
@@biblicalmariology it says that Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit when Mary spoke, however it does not say that Mary caused her to be filled with the Holy Spirit when she spoke. This is a matter of God‘s sovereignty. Likewise, the ark did not have power, it was God who operated over the ark. Again, God is the power over both the ark and the one who caused Elizabeth to be filled with the Holy Spirit, not Mary, You have not responded to what I actually wrote. My concern here it is taking these passages in Luke 1 and John 2 and then reading into them the fact that Mary somehow mediated between us in Christ. Scripture does not explicitly or implicitly say that and as I’ve showed you with John 6 and first Corinthians 12 . the Scriptures would argue against that very thing you are asserting. There is only one mediator between God and man and that is Christ Jesus. It is not Christ mediated through Mary. Jesus is the intercessor between God and man. It does not say that Jesus is interceding by Mary. That is clearly an eisegetical interpretation. Here’s the thing, what are you trusting in for your salvation? Is it your baptism, Good works, church membership? Or Jesus Christ ? The Bible teaches that we are saved by “grace through faith and not by works”(Ephesians 2:8-9).If you believe that you need to do something in order to get salvation then you are trusting in what you do. You can say it’s grace, but if you’re doing something to get saved then it is works.(Romans 11:6). God sent Jesus to die in our place to pay for our sins (1 John 2:2). Jesus then rose from the dead to give us new life (John 11:25-26). That is what saves us. It is the Person and the Work of Jesus Christ which makes us right with God. Our sins separate us from God (Isaiah 59:1-2); therefore, they must be paid for (Hebrews 2:17)and we must be born again(John 3:3). That is what Jesus’ death and resurrection accomplishes. The work of Christ is Imputed to us by God’s grace through faith (Roman’s 3:21-26; John 3:16). Nothing we can do can contribute in any way to our salvation. It is a free gift that is being given to us and all we can do is humbly receive it by trusting in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ.(1 Corinthians 15:1-5; Acts 16:31). Finally, we are either trusting in Christ or we are not(John 14:6). There is no faith in Christ plus our works equals salvation. Partially trusting in works (baptism, charitable giving, other sacraments) means not trusting in Christ. If you are adding works to the gospel, then you are lost (Galatians5:4) and on your way to hell. You are believing another gospel (Galatians 1:8-9). I emplore you to repent of this false gospel and your sins and receive the free gift of salvation that is only found in Jesus and His death for our sins and His resurrection. (Romans 4:25). Remember the Pharisee and the tax collector (Luke 18:9-14). I’m not writing this to win an argument. I’m writing this in love. I’m a beggar who was given food and I’m showing you where to get it.
@@TomPlantagenet Thank you for your reply. I will try to respond to your concerns paragraph by paragraph. 1. Elizabeth recognizes and testifies to this causality: "at the sound of your greeting." She finds the coincidence remarkable enough to declare it, to confess it. We are in agreement over the sovereignty of God over all things. And yet He works through His creatures and through Mary in a singular way. Let us not forget that she is carrying the Christ within her womb, much like the Ark contained the Divine Presence in the Old Testament. Another OT example of God working through His creatures can be seen in Judith: "The Lord our God slew him [Holofernes] by the hand of a woman" (Jud 13:19). 2. I also believe that you have not adequately responded to what I have written, insofar as I have laid out in both passages the revealed mediation of Mary. Re: Jn 6:44 - "No man can come to Me, except the Father, who hath sent Me, draw Him. As mentioned above, God is the final cause of all things, drawing all unto Himself. And yet, God works through His creatures to draw men unto Himself, as it is written in Romans 1:19-20 - " Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them. For the invisible things of Him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; His eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are without excuse." God draws men to believe in Him as the Creator of all through creation itself. Therefore, that the Father draws men to Christ is by no means mutually exclusive with the mediation of creatures. After all, you were baptized not by yourself, but by another. You came to faith because someone preached to you the Word of Truth or you read the Word of Truth as written by a human person. So, too, the mediation of the Christ -- at both the Visitation and the Wedding Feast at Cana -- by Mary does not exclude by rather glorifies, indeed, amplifies, God's omnipotence. This, in fact, is the entire logic of salvation as revealed in Gen 3:15, namely, that the devil would be crushed by the foot of the Woman, by the same sex he first presumed to deceive. God is All. There is no question regarding His sovereignty. The question I put to you is whether you believe He is at work through His creation, and most especially, through those who have been created in His image and likeness. So, again, like the passage of Judith above: God is the final cause, and the woman is the instrumental cause. Re: 1 Cor 12:13 - "For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body..." The same principle applies. The Holy Spirit is the divine agent, and yet human agency is also involved. I.e., you did not baptize yourself, nor did you come to faith without another human's agency. St. Paul mediated to you the above reading, and St. John the prior reading. The Holy Spirit is the Divine Author, and yet the human authorship is also valid to speak of. 3. I trust in God's mercy and grace for my salvation. 4. You're off topic here -- no longer speaking of mediation -- but are articulating a typical Protestant point known as sola fide. Perhaps another day. 5. "God sent Jesus to die..." No problem here. Agreed. 6. Imputation of grace is a Lutheran idea and discounts the actual transformative power of grace to change us from within. For example, Catholics believe that Baptism effects an ontological change of the human person, that is, a change of one's very being. Thus we do not equivocate when we claim to be a "new creation" in Christ. Imputation, however, does equivocate in this regard. 7. Again you beg off to a tangential point regarding faith vs. works. No progress can be made if you do not stay on topic. 8. You ostensibly are showing me where to get my food in Sacred Scripture. But in reality you offer yourself as my food. You have no authority to interpret the Word of God in a definitive manner. That authority was given only to Christ's Church, of which I have been made -- by God's sheer mercy -- an unworthy minister. I therefore speak to you of truths from the treasury of the Church, a veritable banquet of the limitless wisdom of the inexhaustible Word of God. You, on the other hand, invite me to partake of a meager and bitter meal of a heretical Augustinian monk. Please understand if I decline.
That’s a big lie! This is what Romans says: “Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.” Romans 8:34
The Bible says that saints also intercede for us. Rev 5:8 says, “And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.”
@@AlexRamirez.17 Early Christians interpret the Bible the way he is doing. Protestant came with their own interpretation and now any interpretation before the reformation is a roman interpretation no more interpretation of the early Christians. It seems to me you guys are the once twisting scriptures. You will always need the authority of the Catholic to interpret scriptures for you. The Catholic church has had that,authority since Jesus. The Eucharist is Biblical and yet you do not believe in it, James say faith without works is dead you refuse to believe, Jesus say to follow him carry your cross and yet you say works isnt needed for salvation, Revelation justifies the intercession of the saints you refuse to believe, Mathiew spoke of purgatory, you say it's not Biblical because you want God to use the word purgatory. God instructs Moses to make images on the Arc for Worship, you call catholic idols worshipers for making images of Jesus and heavenly icons...... yet you say the Catholics church is not Biblical. You Think we do no know about Christ being the one mediator ? We do but Even Christ in the transfiguration spoke to Moses an Elijah, If they could hear Christ why do you think the cant hear us? One mediator here one mediator there and yet you ask your friends to pray for you. God is just amazed by how you practice what you preach
I will simplify the equation: if anyone prays to anyone or thing apart from our Father in heaven according to His fullness, you are speaking to demons, unclean spirits.
I'm gonna pass on that and stay safe. I'll continue to pray to the Lord as instructed and ask those that are alive to pray for me when I need. I except Mary of course as the mother of Christ, but since there is no command nor instruction to pray to her I'll be keeping clear of that.
Please keep praying to God in the name of Jesus Christ. That's what this young man is saying in this video. Perhaps you missed that point. The Catholic Church has never asked otherwise, as many protestants mistakenly believe.
@@tellthetruth6430 Oh so he wasn't suggesting to pray in this way "Hail Mary full of grace the lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy whom Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death." Yeah, thats actually prayer. It may not be worshipping but it is consulting with the dead.
@@Rendasd Our God is the God of the living and not the God of the dead. He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Mosses, Elijah, Blessed Virgin Mary, Peter, Paul, Anthony and so on. Book of John 11 Verses 25 to 26. [25] Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: [26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. The saints are alive with God in Heaven and know what's happening here on earth. The Hail Mary you recited are 90% scriptures with a request for our mother, the mother of God to join us/ask/pray to our God. Please note that we Catholics include Jesus in God in this regard. To understand this, you'd have to understand the concept of the Holy Trinity.
@@tellthetruth6430aah keep your hoole cat hole , just recite the holeey hole of Mary: where in the Bible it says Mary deserves prayer and worship, or she's an intercessor! No more Bs
@@tellthetruth6430don't make false claims. The rosary prayer called the Hail Mary is at most 60% biblical. The rest is added on. Count the words. Do the math. Don't just put in random figures and think it is facts. Even the devil at the temptation of Jesus used "90%" of Scripture mixed in with lies to try to get him to fall. Jesus overcame through using Scripture. Not by using vague concepts formed by men.
When the disciples asked how they should pray Jesus said OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN He didnt say to pray to our mother in heaven Neither do we see ANY mention of praying to mary in the epistles Is the voice of reason Or voice of man Voice of ASSUMPTION
@@exosisyphus missed the point… anyone who is ALIVE can yes pray and be an intercessor… Mary is not alive and is not our intercessor.. is my point, we should not and are told very clearly not to communicate to the dead!
@@exosisyphusbut shes dead.... she wasnt an angel or divine so how could you think shes in any position to pray or intercede for you? Thats assuming that because she was chosen to be the earthly mother to Our Savior that she holds power to do anything for you. PLUS thats not in the Bible. We can ask the Holy spirit to teach us to pray in the will of God by praying in the Spirit. ONLY through Jesus can we get to the Father anything outside of that is a sin as the Bible expressly forbids consulting mediums or souls of the dead
Mary and all the other saints are DEAD! Praying to any of them or venerating them makes you an idolaters, BREAKING the first commandment "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Catholics and Anglicans are all idolaters. Their churches are full of images. Please, my brothers and sisters, Jesus says "no one comes to the Father except through me."
So one thing that really caught my attention from what Alex's response to that question about if the pope were to allow gay marriage then his opinion is Catholism would not be true. That sounds like a big burden for the pope, a sinner just like the rest of us, to carry. I feel like the truth should rest in Jesus's hands because only He is the truth, the way and life. I liked this debate because in a way I saw a lot of unity, mutual respect, and love between the two parties. It really is refreshing to see that. I don't like to give myself a title other than I am a believer and follower of Jesus. Church and unity are important but we have to remember that the church isn't perfect. I have never been inside a single church that has been. I been to both. The enemy has done so many things possible to separate and confuse God's truth but the great thing about this debate is that both Alex and Dr. White believe Christ is King and savior of the world and He is the only way. ❤
So wise theologically but so blinded spiritually. Those who worships Mary, no Salvation for such people, the God of this age has blinded the churches too.
It annoys me, as a Catholic convert from Protestantism, that Protestants say that we worship Mary when in fact we venerate her and other saints who are more alive than us in heaven and they say that we can’t ask her to intercede when in fact the first verse of the passage of 1 Timothy that he pleads Christians to intercede for one another. Also, God finds it rude for people to smudge Mary when in fact she is called blessed and said all generations will call her blessed (St. Luke 1:48).
I will assume you meant venerate, since generate makes no sense in the context. 1st Timothy specifically states that such intercessions are to be made in the context of prayer, and not on behalf of their sin. And not to God directly. If Jesus died for my sins, whose intercession do I need? And if I need intercession, why did Jesus die on the cross, if His blood is not sufficient to cover my sins?
@@CrusaderofGodEditz John 3:16 seriously? You’re going to twist that into that Christians who die now have eternal life immediately ? No no, Jesus the describe the dead as asleep in Matthew 9:24, so there body’s resting and souls are resting till the day of judgement like it says in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 and revelation 20:13 Plus in Exodus 20:3-5 GOD clearly doesn’t want us to pray to anyone or anything but HIM
Jesus is the one mediator between man and the Father. Mary is an intercessor between man and Jesus. Not between man and the Father. Protestants enjoy being obtuse.
“Intercessor” is different than “mediator”, much like “veneration” is different than “praying”. However, the problem is when Romans use the “intercessor” as a mediator to Christ on our behalf, then one can see Rome is using semantics with these words. In practice, Romans do view St. Mary as an “intercessor”, but in practice try to use her as a mediator for mankind instead of Christ Himself. The very same holds true between the semantics of “veneration” and “pray”, and the actual practice of praying to saints instead of God Himself.
This is a big point if we can’t ask others to pray for us then we shouldn’t be able to intercede for others which all of us do.we pray to god for non believers and the sick and poor and all walks of life.
You can ask other people to pray for you, as you can ask them to help you move houses for example. By your logic you cannot ask someone alive to help you, when you can't ask Mary to help you move a couch.
John 11:25-26 ESV [25] Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, [26] and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?” Luke 20:37-38 ESV [37] But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the passage about the bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. [38] Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for all live to him.
Consulting the dead through divination is not the same as prayer. You are conflating the two. And the Bible says those who are in christ are not dead. Jesus talked to Moses and Elijah (both died for 100s of years before him) but he was not condemn for divination, was he?
While Mary holds a special place as the mother of Jesus, the Bible makes it clear that her role does not grant her unique access to God. In Luke 11:27-28, a woman in the crowd praised Mary for giving birth and nursing Jesus. However, Jesus responded by emphasizing the importance of hearing and obeying the Word of God. This indicates that spiritual blessings and closeness to God come through faith and obedience, not through earthly relationships or lineage. Luke 11:27-28 (NIV): "As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, 'Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.' He replied, 'Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.'” 2. One Mediator: 1 Timothy 2:5 emphasizes that there is only one mediator between God and mankind, which is Jesus Christ. This verse reinforces the idea that all believers, regardless of their earthly connections, have direct access to God through Christ, without the need for intermediaries like Mary. 1 Timothy 2:5 (NIV): "For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus..." 3. Exclusive Worship: In Luke 4:8, Jesus quotes Scripture, affirming that worship should be directed exclusively to the Lord God. This verse underscores the principle that God alone is worthy of worship and service, not any human, including Mary. Luke 4:8 (NIV): "Jesus answered, 'It is written: Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" 4. Mary's Sinlessness: The Bible explicitly states that Jesus is the only one who lived a sinless life. This is supported by various passages, such as: 2 Corinthians 5:21 (NIV): "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." Hebrews 4:15 (NIV): "For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin." 1 Peter 2:22 (NIV): "He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth." These verses highlight the sinlessness of Jesus, contrasting it with the human condition. In conclusion, while Mary's role as the mother of Jesus is highly respected in the Christian faith, the Bible consistently emphasizes that all believers have direct access to God through faith in Jesus Christ. There is no biblical support for the idea that Mary should receive prayers from Christians or that she was without sin. These concepts are not explicitly taught in Scripture and are therefore matters of theological interpretation within specific Christian traditions.
Don't take verses out of context. What you're doing is calling the Holy Spirit a liar solely so that you can claim Catholicism is false. When Jesus says "rather blessed are those who hear the word and keep it", he's not saying Mary isn't blessed. He's instead just readjusting the focus back onto what He's talking about. Contextually, the woman felt she couldn't be blessed because she wasn't related to Christ, thus Christ basically said "those who hear and keep the word are blessed". in Luke 1:41-44, when the Holy Spirit (who is fully God) fills Elizabeth, she cries out to Mary, "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb! And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy." And since the Holy Spirit is fully God, He cannot lie, and since Elizabeth, suddenly filled with the Spirit, cried out "Blessed are you among women!", we can safely rest assured that Mary is indeed blessed among all women. Or better yet, why don't we look at Luke 1:28 where Mary is given the title "Κεχαριτωμένη." aka Full of Grace, perfect passive participle - Can you name me any other person in the Scripture who is Κεχαριτωμένη? (To save you some time, no, you can't. There is only one person described as Κεχαριτωμένη in the Scripture, and that is mother Mary.) Mary was very clearly given a special kind of grace.
Correct For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; *by the which we draw nigh unto God* UNTO GOD THROUGH CHRIST NOT UNTO MARY OR THROUGH MARY 20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest: 21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:) 22 By so much was *Jesus made a surety* of a better testament. 23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death: 24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood. 25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost *that come unto God by him* , seeing he ever liveth to make *intercession for them* Workers of iniquity need to repent of their unbelief
Paul in Romans: "Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died-more than that, who was raised-who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us." Also Hebrews: "Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them." So, Jesus is Mediator and also Intercessor. In fact, given Paul's language they seem to be functionally and ontologically interchangeable, thus making the need for intercession by Mary superfluous and unnecessary.
Amen God is enough, but God uses humans. Sharing your faith with your earthly mother doesnt take away from God just like sharing your faith with your heavenly mother doesnt take away from God
is that how you honor the woman that God honored... "not needed" i think is a very ingrateful word... mary gave her total obedience to God when she was called for GoD's plan.. total obedience meaning she risked her life to bear the messiah and here you are .just a man who doest not really know WHAT TOTAL OBEDIENCE TO GOD really means...
The Lord is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth. He fulfills the desire of those who fear him; he also hears their cry and saves them. Why do we need an intercessor?
Our intercessor is the Holy Spirit. Mary can't be an intercessor since she is part of the ones Who will rise from the dead when Jesus come. I am an intercessor because I am still alive and i am praying for people. Mary is just waiting.
Mary is the deceased mother of our Lord Jesus Christ. His mother is not to be venerated. Catholics and anyone else who prays to Mary is worshipping an idol. She is NOT an intercessor. She is dead. Christ is also our intercessor with the FATHER interceding on our behalf.
Jesus says "Pray to the Father through, me." You are recognising the sacrifice, so the Father sees you clean and free from sin. So, totally agree with you 100% Also, to the Catholics...why did your church change the 2nd commandment? Exodus 20:4 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Why did the catholic church split the 10th? Do you know, the first half of the 10 commandments is to honour God, the rest is to honour mankind. So what you did is put an honouring of mankind before the rest of the laws that honour God.
@@vincenthartzenberg5794 How can you say that you do not believe in the resurrection of the body in the afterlife when it is in the Bible? Matthew 22:30-32. Mary is in Heaven. She is alive. Mary can intercede for us. Anybody can intercede for anyone. 1 Timothy 2:1-4 calls for people to pray for others. Jesus does this too in Matthew 5:44. Hebrews 12:23 reveals that people in Heaven are made perfect and righteous. James 5:15 shows that the prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective. We are simply not worshipping Mary. We are calling for her powerful intercession on us to bring us closer to God. The more we please Mary, the more we please Jesus. Wouldn’t you be happy if someone treated your mother with utmost respect and honour? This is why we have special devotions and artworks devoted to Mary. “Never be afraid of loving the Blessed Virgin too much. You can never love her more than Jesus did.” - St. Maximilian Kolbe.
John 2:1-11 Specifically in verse 3, what is she doing. meditate on her action and her her words. May the Holy Spirit guide you to the fullness of the truth
@@RebiwGiant-um8vp there’s plenty of places where Jesus equates himself and attributes to God. He doesn’t have to say “I am God” in those specific words.
*He saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no one to intercede* ; then his own arm brought him salvation, and his righteousness upheld him Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors. Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them. Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died-more than that, who was raised-who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us
Honestly, everyone needs to stop labelling ourselves under these man made labels. It says, if we believe in our hearts and confess with our mouths that Jesus is Lord & that he rose again, then we’re followers of Christ. Let’s stop debating over the small things and start focusing on glorifying our Lord and Saviour. Division is the trick of the devil. Don’t let him win.
I love your content brother. But I wanted to mention that there is a very strong Catholic teaching, via many pontiffs, that Mary is the Mediatrix of All Graces. From Scripture it works like this: Jesus is the one Mediator between God and man insofar as He is both true God and true man, and we must be in Him to be saved. He is the one Bridge. But Mary truly mediates the human will of her Son. Check it out... at the Wedding Feast at Cana it is Mary who tells the servants, "Do whatever He tells you." So when Our Lord tells them to "fill the jars up to the brim" the servants obey not only Jesus but also (now transparently), with every subsequent command of Our Lord, they obey also (foundationally) Mary. So Mary mediates the obedience of the servants with her Son. There is no obedience to Jesus without a prior obedience to Mary: this is the revelation of the Wedding Feast at Cana, and it points to the teaching that Mary is the Mediatrix of All Graces. Pax brother!
Thanks for your comment. Can I ask an honest question? None of the apostles picked up on this teaching from John 2 in their epistles to the churches connecting our obedience to Christ and Mary. Do you know who the first church father was to make your point that “there is no obedience to the Son without prior obedience to Mary?” On the surface it seems like a real stretch of the passage.
If jesus is a mediator, a bridge connecting god and man, doesnt just mean he is a messenger, a prophet, not a god? Jesus himself said theres is only 1 true god, and he said he is a mediator between god and man, doesnt this show that he is a messenger only?
Because of the confusion over over the use of the term mediator in regard to Mary, the church encourages us to use other terms such as intercessor. She mediates Christ to us in many ways, the obvious being her motherhood of Christ. We honour her, but any legitimate honour leads us closer to Christ.
@@HeavnzMiHome thank you for your response! So you agree with the statement that was made, “there is no obedience to the Son that is not prior obedience to Mary?” And if so, I’m trying to find out where this thinking is first taught explicitly in Church history.
@@syafiqhabib1444 good question. I’m guessing your question comes from a Muslim background, and I totally understand where the confusion would come from. We both would agree that just as the complexity of creation is way beyond our full understanding, so is the nature of God Himself. In the same book that Jesus calls the Father, “the only true God” (gospel of John), equality with God is attributed to Him in several places. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons within the one true God. Each is fully God, thus God exists in relationship with Himself. This is how Jesus can be our mediator to the Father and be God at the same time, just as the Holy Spirit is God who lives in us. Thank you for reading; I hope that makes sense!
Yes that is true pray for one another, intercession but for those who are alive physically not for the dead. And are we not all saints those who believe in Christ Jesus
We are all called saints, yes. The saints we refer to when speaking of those in Heaven are the saints canonized whom we know have made it to Heaven. For example, st carlo acutis already has 2 miracles attributed to his intercession, so he's quickly become a saint. he is the most recent canonized saint
Romans 8:34 (KJV): 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. ”For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.“ 1 Timothy 2:5-6 KJV
Why need to pray to saints or Mary? Jesus is the only mediator and intercessor we need. To ask other saints to intercede for them shows lack of trust in Jesus.
Mary is just a woman. She sinned, Christ even said that His body is His true mother, brothers and sisters. You cannot pray to mary, she is not devine, she cannot do anything. Pray to Christ, the true salvation. May the Lord open the eyes of all Catholics✝️🙏
Mary, the unrecognized Queen of the Universe hastened to the home of Her cousin, Elizabeth, whom She knew --- by a messenger from Her Royal Consort --- to be with child. When She entered Her cousin's home, Saint Elizabeth did not know how to thank Her and, filled with humility, burst forth in the exclamation: "And whence is this to me that the Mother of My Lord should visit me?" (Luke, 1, 32). "But how could this be?" asks a Doctor of the Church. "Did not Saint Elizabeth already know that not only Mary, but also Jesus had entered her house? Why then does she say that she is unworthy to receive the Mother and not, rather, that she is unworthy to receive the Son, Who had come to visit her? Ah, yes, it is because the Saint knew full well that when Mary comes She brings Jesus, and therefore it was sufficient to thank the Mother without naming the Son." And so, too, when Our Lady visited this vale of tears with an assurance of salvation, She brought Salvation with Her. As formerly She had "contained Christ as manna in the ark of Her womb, and brought Him forth to be the Food and Salvation of the world". The whole meaning of Our Lady, the whole meaning of any gesture on Her part to assure our salvation, is to be found in the thirst of the Sacred Heart for love. This is as true as the fact that a bridge derives its whole meaning from the banks which it joins. Mary has but one desire, a desire born at the foot of the Cross: to see resound from pole to pole the one cry, "Praise be to the Divine Heart of Jesus!" Where there is Mary, there is Jesus. Mary brought the Salvation for us through her perfect resignation to God and you say she was just a woman? "For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;" "Whoever desires the fruit must go to the tree; whoever desires Jesus must go to Mary; and whoever finds Mary will most certainly find Jesus." -ST. ALPHONSUS
@@FollowerofChrist12 Well, we don't worship Mary. Please, stop saying what your ministers have brainwashed you with and refer to the teachings of the catholic church.
Of course he can't find it because no one prayed to saints in the bible it's a doctrine of devils Satan wants to enter their life's and this is how he does it
Immaculate Mary your praises we sing. Your reign now in splendor with Jesus our King. In Heaven the blessed your glory proclaim; On earth we your children invoke your sweet name Jean Gaignet Immaculate Mary
@guardtheham1233 Yes, intercession is direct prayer... you're praying directly to whomever you're asking for it... Give me one good reason why you can not go to God directly.
@tellthetruth6430 Yes, I watched the entire thing.... (Thank you for taking the time to respond, by the way) Answer these: What is a valid reason for praying to anyone other than God as a believer? Is Mary or any of the saints omniscient? When did Jesus pray to anyone other than God the Father or instruct anyone to pray to his mother or any of the OT saints? Your response is appreciated... Thanks!
Meaning we who believe in Jesus Christ are not dead but alive because we believe in him those that don’t believe in Jesus Christ are dead spiritual speaking it has nothing to do with Mary being alive she is still in the grave waiting for the resurrection day
And when Mary did die, angels took her body to heaven where she was restored to life and was made Queen of Heaven, Earth, and Purgatory. Mary IS the intercession between us and Jesus
@@NomoretoxicthoughtsYou might hear of the 4th Marian Dogma, just for example... the Assumption of Mary into Heaven, and think.. "No way." or "Where is that in the Bible?" Would you begin to be more open to what the Catholic Church teaches about Mary, and what holy and devout saints have written about Mary, if I showed you that the Bible very strongly shows that Mary is indeed bodily in Heaven, and crowned as a Queen on top of that? It just takes a little exploration, and it's very intriguing! The "bodily" in Heaven aspect is significant, because we see in Revelation 6 that even the martyrs in Heaven are there as souls, awaiting the resurrection of the dead and the reception of glorified incorruptible bodies. If Mary can be seen in Heaven body AND soul, that in itself points to her uniqueness in salvation history/the order of grace. This is, of course, just on top of the whole being chosen to carry in her womb, give birth to, and raise the Savior who is God! "9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. 10 They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Rev. 6: 9-10 This cracks open the door for the communion of and intercession of the saints, along with much more Biblical and historical support, but alas, we are here to show the evidence in the Bible that the 4th Marian Dogma is 100% true, so let's get back to it! :] Let's explore the Bible! Old and New Testaments. God, the Holy Spirit overshadowed and then indwelled the Ark. The Ark became the dwelling place of the presence of God. . "Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. And Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting because the cloud settled on it, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle." Exodus 40: 34-35 "And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy-the Son of God." Luke 1: 35 The Holy Ghost inspired St. Luke to portray Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant in his Gospel. In Luke 1: 35, the angel Gabriel tells Mary, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you." "Overshadow" here comes from the Greek word "episkiasei", which denotes a bright cloud of glory. It is used in reference to the cloud at the transfiguration of Jesus (Matthew 17: 5, Mark 9: 7. Luke 9: 34). This cloud is none other than the Shekinah Glory, the visible Presence of God in the Hebrew Scriptures, which dwelt in the Holy of Holies above the ark of the covenant (Exodus 24: 15-16, 40: 34-38, 1 Kings 8: 10). The Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures made two centuries before Christ, uses "episkiasei" in Exodus 40: 34-35 to describe the Shekhinah's overshadowing of the Temple. Saint Luke, who was quite familiar with the Septuagint, uses the very same word for the Spirit's overshadowing of Mary! The angel Gabriel clearly drew a parallel between God's presence in the Sanctuary and in Mary. She is the new, living Ark chosen to bear the God-Messiah --------- Old Testament The Ark contained the Ten Commandments [the words of God in stone], a pot of manna, and Aaron's rod that came back to life. Deutoronomy 10: 3-5, Hebrews 9: 4 "having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant." Hebrews 9: 4 New Testament The womb of the Virgin contained Jesus: the living Word of God enfleshed, the living bread from heaven, "the Branch" (Messianic title) who would die but come back to life. And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy-the Son of God. Luke 1: 35 ------------ Old Testament The Ark traveled to the hill country of Judah to rest in the house of Obed-edom 2 Samuel 6: 1-11 New Testament "In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a town in Judah," Luke 1: 39 ------------ Old Testament Dressed in a priestly ephod, King David approached the Ark and danced and leapt for joy [2 Samuel 6: 14, 16] "And David danced before the Lord with all his might." 2 Samuel 6: 14 "As the ark of the Lord came into the city of David, Michal the daughter of Saul looked out of the window and saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord, and she despised him in her heart." 2 Samuel 6: 16 New Testament John the Baptist, son of a priest who would himself becomes a priest, leapt for joy in Elizabeth's womb at the approach of Mary. "And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, Luke 1: 41 ------------ Old Testament David shouted for joy in the presence of God and the holy Ark [2 Samuel 6: 15] So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouting and with the sound of the horn. 2 Samuel 6: 15 New Testament "And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!" Luke 1: 41-42 ------------ "And David was afraid of the Lord that day, and he said, “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?” 2 Samuel 6: 9 "And why is this granted to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?" Luke 1: 43 ------------ Old Testament The Ark remained in the house of Obed-edom for 3 months. "And the ark of the Lord remained in the house of Obed-edom the Gittite three months, and the Lord blessed Obed-edom and all his household." 2 Samuel 6: 11 New Testament "And Mary remained with her about three months and returned to her home." Luke 1: 56 ----------- Old Testament The Ark returned to its sanctuary and eventually ends up in Jerusalem where the presence and glory of God is revealed in the newly built Temple [2 Samuel 6: 12; 1 Kings 8: 9-11] New Testament Mary returned home from visiting Elizabeth and eventually comes to Jerusalem, where she presents God the Son in the Temple [Luke 1: 56; 2: 21-22] ------------ Old Testament God made Aaron's rod (which would be kept in the Ark) return to life and budded to prove he was the legitimate High Priest [Numbers 17: 8] New Testament God would resurrect His Son, who had become enfleshed in Mary's womb and born to bring salvation to all mankind, to prove He is the eternal High Priest [Hebrews 4: 14]. ------------- When the Ark was outside the Holy of Holies [when it was being transported] it was to be covered with a blue veil [Numbers 4: 4-6] In Mary's appearances outside of heaven visionaries testify that she wears a blue veil. -------------- "Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail." Revelation 11: 19 The next verse: "And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth." Revelation 12: 1-2 'She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne," Revelation 12: 5 In Revelation 12: 1 John sees Mary bodily in heaven. It is the same vision Juan Diego saw of Mary in 1531 - the Woman clothed with the sun and standing on the moon. ----------- Pretty cool, right?! I find it fascinating. Possible objection: Jesus is the new Ark of the Covenant (Romans 3: 25), not Mary. That passage states that Jesus is a propitiatory sacrifice, not the Propitiatory itself (the cover of the ark, also called the "mercy seat"). Though some early Christians speculated that the old ark could be a type of Christ, the Bible does not state that Jesus is the Ark of the New Covenant. Nor does it deny that Mary is the New Ark; in fact it strongly insinuates that she is. The ark was a created thing, a mere vessel which carried the presence of God. Jesus is not just a vessel carrying God's presence, He is God Incarnate. There's a big difference! Mary, on the other hand, is a mere creature, a living vessel who carried the presence of God. She is to the New Covenant what the ark was to the Old Covenant. Though the Bible never portrays Jesus as the New Ark, we saw above that II Samuel 6: 2-11 clearly parallels the Visitation thus indicating that Mary is the New Ark. *taken from Agape Bible Study, with objection and response from Mary immaculate dot tripod dot c o m.
That doesn't mean they are the same thing that just means they are similar. A mediator is someone who delivers your prayers. A intercessor is someone who makes their OWN prayers on your behalf. So like how you said you were going to pray for his salvation. That is intercession. So you literally just condemned yourself.
Jesus Died for Mary too, she to needs a savior. She was a special person. But no Man is above another. Only Jesus is all God all Man. Most high living God. And he's a Jealous God.
....No one is saying Mary didn't need a savior... Also, the whole reason protestants cling to this idea is because the protestant bible is missing 7 books that have a LOT of people praying to Saints and even the dead soldiers of Christ.... No wonder Protestantism is "close" but never quite accurate.
@@Psalm22_16 No Christian prays to any Body but the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. If you do you are not a Son of the Living God. You are the son of your father the Devil
@@patricksalazar687 *No Christian prays to any Body but the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.* Feel free to elaborate on what "pray to" means. If it means "worship," then you need to cease the straw manning, because no catholic worships the saints. It would be idolatry.
If we listen to respond instead of listening to learn we will never understand anything…Protestant are so hardheaded I can say this because I was one of them untill I decided to learn church history…
“or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.” Deuteronomy 18:11-12
Jesus intercedes not Mary “Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.” Romans 8:34
@@NikkiMarie4130He literally just used the Word of God, God's word, God's opinion, God's statement, Gods thoughts, God's view on the matter, to prove you wrong logically, and you asked what's wrong with him? I pray that God will wake you up and shake you and the scales of pride, ignorance and foolishness will fall off your eyes in Jesus name
Because we have so many examples of saints praying to Mary in scripture. Stay away from false doctrine. Jesus doesnt have a hearing problem. Romans 10:13 NKJV For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved."
Jesus is also our Prophet and Priest. ( revealed on the mount of transfiguration when Moses and Elijha appear representing the Prophet and Priest. The Father audibly says of Jesus "This is my son in who l am well, pleased. Hear Him!) It is Jesus who intercedes (as priest) for us before for the Father (in the same way Moses did) not Mary or any angel or any other. Jesus.
Well if she's not a mediator I can pray directly to the Father and not to Mary. If she intercedes she can do that, I don't need to ask her to do that. I will just pray like Jesus taught us.
Hebrews calls Jesus our high priest, and says in Heb 7:25 says that he's the one who lives to make intercession for us. If you have Jesus why would you need anybody else? Not rhetorical, I'm serious, whats the point?
We don't worship Mary or any Saints in our Mass. We worship God, and our liturgy is centered on the birth, the dead, and the resurrection of Jesus Christ
@eddardgreybeard claiming that you need mary to go to Jesus. That is not correct. God gave up Jesus so that we would go directly to Jesus so that Jesus would go to the father on our behalf. Anything more then that is wrong. That's saying I need to go to another imperfect human to go to Jesus for something he did gor all of us.... that doesn't make sense.
@@LNJuggernaut We can and do go directly to Jesus. We also ask Mary to pray for us. Mary isn't going to anyone other than her son. Maybe understand something before you critique it.
@eddardgreybeard the bible clearly says that us humans (including mary) are not affected by the affairs of the world. Mary was used for the glory of God, like many others before and after her. But Jesus never once said "pray to my mother, mary" he spent alot of time saying the opposite.
The miracle at canna is where it is demonstrated that Mary can intercede for u to her son Jesus like she did when her friend was humiliated for running out of wine. And save me the Jesus rebuke her nonsense since Jesus did what Mary ask him for another.
If you read the gospel of the infancy of mary you will clearly see she was no ordinary person. Its not included in the canon. Infact they felt it took away from the divinity of Jesus however, if you read it for yourself you will see it only backs up his divinity.
"In the presence of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Angels and Saints I will praise you O Lord". We worship God alone, the Father who created us, Jesus Christ his Son who redeemed us and the Holy Spirit who Sanctifies us with Mary Queen of Heaven and earth. We offer all our prayers to our Spiritual Mother to "Mary who is full of Grace" who knows best how to use them for each member of the Mystical Body of Christ and at the hour of death will welcome our souls into her motherly arms at the hour of our death. She is Queen Mother.. Ave Maria 🙏
@@user-lb3jq9kr5h The earliest known use of this term of the Communion of Saints refers to the belief in a mystical bond uniting both the living and the dead in a confirmed hope and love is by Saint Nicetas of Remesiana (c. 335-414); the term has since then played a central role in formulations of the Christian creed. Belief in the communion of saints is affirmed in the Apostles' Creed. If you reject the Communion of Saints you reject the Apostles Creed. This has been handed down to both Catholics and Orthodox from the Apostles. The Communion of Saints is in the Spiritual world when you lift the veil before the Throne of God all in the Old Teastement and the New Testament. As Catholics we are all part of the Mystical Body of Christ, all in Scripture. We worship God Alone, how the Spiritual world works is with prayer, worship, loving our neighbor, the Angels and Saints all part of the economy of our Salvation, Jesus is Risen and is with us in the Church, in his word, in the sacrements and each other. God bless you 🙏
2 Timothy 2:6 does not allow for a second mediator. 2 Timothy 2:5 is clear, there is one Mediator then 2 Timothy 2:6 goes on to say what that one mediator did having established there is only one. It does not open the possibility for another. This is not a comment on intercessors, but simply saying that the initial point does not work. Legitimate question here: Why do pray to the saints who are dead if it was a sin for Saul to speak even to the Prophet Samuel once he had died? 1 Samuel 28
Still begs the question: Why don't you pray to Jesus for Jesus directly? Why ask for Mary to intercede? Jesus intercedes for us, not mary. Romans 8:34 says that Jesus “is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.”
The Spirit of God intercedes for Christians not Mary. Romans 8:26-27 - “Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.”
Mary the mother of Jesus was a godly and blessed woman, but she was not without sin. Jesus was the only human without sin. Jesus “had no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21). “In Him is no sin” (1 John 3:5). Nothing of the sort is ever said of Mary or anyone else. Jesus Christ is fully human, but He is also fully God (John 1:1). He is the Lamb of God, “without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:19), a title and description no other person can claim No other name can save us. Christ died on the cross and left us His Holy Spirit to help us with our prayers (Romans 8). Christ didn't include anything else for us to be saved by
It seems to me that praying to Mary or Saints breaks the Trinity. You pray to The Father, in The Spirit, through Christ. That is the Trinity in prayer. Praying to Mary or a Saint removes The Father.
But literally in Hebrew 7:25, it says “Hebrews 7:25 New International Version 25 Therefore he is able to save completely[a] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.”
who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. - Romans 8:34
Romans 8:34 “who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us” Jesus Christ is our intercession. Here’s the thing, what are you trusting in for your salvation? Is it your baptism, Good works, church membership? Or Jesus Christ ? The Bible teaches that we are saved by “grace through faith and not by works”(Ephesians 2:8-9).If you believe that you need to do something in order to get salvation then you are trusting in what you do. You can say it’s grace, but if you’re doing something to get saved then it is works.(Romans 11:6). God sent Jesus to die in our place to pay for our sins (1 John 2:2). Jesus then rose from the dead to give us new life (John 11:25-26). That is what saves us. It is the Person and the Work of Jesus Christ which makes us right with God. Our sins separate us from God (Isaiah 59:1-2); therefore, they must be paid for (Hebrews 2:17)and we must be born again(John 3:3). That is what Jesus’ death and resurrection accomplishes. The work of Christ is Imputed to us by God’s grace through faith (Roman’s 3:21-26; John 3:16). Nothing we can do can contribute in any way to our salvation. It is a free gift that is being given to us and all we can do is humbly receive it by trusting in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ.(1 Corinthians 15:1-5; Acts 16:31). Finally, we are either trusting in Christ or we are not(John 14:6). There is no faith in Christ plus our works equals salvation. Partially trusting in works (baptism, charitable giving, other sacraments) means not trusting in Christ. If you are adding works to the gospel, then you are lost (Galatians5:4) and on your way to hell. You are believing another gospel (Galatians 1:8-9). I emplore you to repent of this false gospel and your sins and receive the free gift of salvation that is only found in Jesus and His death for our sins and His resurrection. (Romans 4:25). Remember the Pharisee and the tax collector (Luke 18:9-14). I’m not writing this to win an argument. I’m writing this in love. I’m a beggar who was given food and I’m showing you where to get it.
Then keep being Sola scripture which is not in the Bible. We listened to Jesus when he told the apostles that if anyone didn't listen to them then they rejected him. He gave authority to the apostles to build the Bible and the church both infallible. Paul said hold fast to the traditions we pass on to you both oral and written.
Not the catholic traditions they were not Catholics the apostles were not popes or nuns and they did not pray to the dead Catholics are insane for claiming to be the first church of Christ when they don’t even read or understand the bible God will tell them I never knew you evil doers the part from me
It doesn't mean at all that she had a divine birth. It simply means she was born without the taint of original sin. And before you even try to suggest others like the Orthodox reject the immaculate conception, they do only because they don't believe in inherited guilt, so there was nothing to be preserved from. They absolutely believe she never sinned.
@@eddardgreybeard Is there biblical scriptural support of Mary not being tainted with original Sin? All have sinned according to scripture. Please share when you can. A2✝️✝️✝️
@@THELUVOFG Yes, the original Greek of Luke 1:28, kecharitomene. The only other form of this verb in the new testament is in Ephesians 1:6 when Paul discusses the grace in which we are saved Of course, Protestants invented their own definition of grace to where it's basically an abstract concept rather than an actual thing. In pre reformation Christianity, it's a very real thing. But even in protestant soteriology, Grace through faith, she received that "unearned favor" up front for birthing the Messiah. Gabriel acknowledged her as "graced one," what you consider "saved," but even more perfect than you can imagine.
If we know that the tabernacle and sacrificial system were but shadows of the good to come Such as a High Priest entering into the holy of holies on behalf of the people to intercede for them Why didnt God also ordain a woman to accompany the man OR ordain a mother of the priest to accompany him Why is there no shadow of Mary entering behind the veil to intercede on our behalf
Spot on correct! Sometimes Mary cast's out demons on the spot during exorcisms, she hardly has to say a word, and the demons are gone pronto! Mary has power over all demons.🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@notnull5878 You must have missed the whole story of the first bible recorded miracle of Jesus Christ... Go read again the the miracle at Cana - Book of John chapter 2. Also read the book of Luke chapter 1 from verse 26 to 58 (read more as the Holy Spirit guides you). Pay close attention to verses 28, and 41 to 44. The Mother of God acts promptly to help and intercede for us even when we do not ask because she's our mother as well. ❤
“During an exorcism, Satan said to me through the possessed person: ‘Each Ave Maria (Hail Mary) of the rosary is a blow to my face. If Christians knew the power of the rosary, it would be the end of me.” -Fr. Gabriele Amorth (Chief Exorcist of the Vatican 1986-2013)
@@tellthetruth6430 jesus is not god and im Christian. Mary is a Symbol of purity and is not the mother of god, who is the father in heaven. Jesus is the Messiah not god himself. "Not everyone who says to me oh 'Lord 'Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but only the one who does the will of MY FATHER who is in heaven." - Jesus of Nazareth
@void0350 Pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit then read and tell me what you understand from the following passages of the book of John Chapter 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Also read the book of Revelations chapter 19. He's name is The Word of God. We can also call Him King of Kings and Lod of Lords. Then read Jeremiah 1. When you finish reading these, you may have better understanding of who Our Lord Jesus Christ is. As a Christian should study and pray more please 🙏
John 17, Luke 22:32, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 7:25, and I John 2:1 all mention Christ as an intercessor on our behalf. Are there any true references to Mary being an intercessor? Or intermediary? I’m interested in seeing this out.
Won't type of intercession. Mary does not mediate our salvation to God. Only Jesus can mediate our salvation. Asking a saint to pray for you has nothing to do with Jesus being the only mediator of our salvation...
I'm confused brother. I'm not trying to argue. But in Romans 8:26. Says the spirit intercedes for us. And Romans 8:26. It says Jesus Christ also intercedes. I want to believe what you say brother. But when I reach the scriptures. I can't find some stuff you say. Where do you get the idea from. I just never read the bible and see what the Catholic beliefs say.
Who says we cannot pray directly to God? Carhilics pray durectly to God and Jesus we dont need to pray to Mother Mary just to reach the Father and the Son but she can pray for us just as we can pray for other people.
yeah. she is your intercessor and you give her God-like power like hearing millions of prayers at the same time. Something that is reserved to God only and can be done by God only.
I don't think there is one verse in the bible teaching about intercession, that is praying to dead people. I would understand asking intercession to a live person..
The thief on the cross next Jesus was not a member of the catholic church, it didnt exist. But that thief was told he'd be welcomed to the kingdom of God. And if God is just, then wouldnt all who met the standard set by the theif be welcomed as well? So why the hostilities between believers in Christ?
Thank God I was cured from my Protestantism. I am now preparing to become a member of Christ's actual church
Christs Actual Church, the Orthodox Church!! ☦︎ Christ has risen! God Bless you, and i wish you a Good Start into your new life, in the Original Church, The Orthodox Church!! ☦︎
And i assume Orthodox, because you said Christs actual Church, and that's the Orthodox Church. ☦︎
@@LonelyyPoison Christ built His church on Peter. I love all Apostolic Churches, though.
All denominations of Christianity will send you to hell. Just be a Christian and stay away from churches and denominations that twist the teachings of the bible
@@LonelyyPoisonCatholic and Orthodox are pretty equal, both apostolic. The main difference is a few basic beliefs that either one could be right or wrong on. But none vital to salvation it seems, so not too big a deal. I’m Roman Catholic myself, but I have a deep respect for my Orthodox brethren.
Christ's actual church are the people whom the Holy Spirit dwells, people who surrender their life to Jesus, people who do not use and do not bow down to ANY graven images be like in heaven or on earth, people who follow Christ, not the tradition of men.
My cousin didn’t have the best life and his mom was never in his Life and she still isn’t in his life so he always says MY REAL MOTHER IS IN HEAVEN… MARY❤
Praying for them both to reunite.❤
Yep. I didn't have a father on earth and my papa is Jesus
MY SOUL MAGNIFIES THE LORD‼️‼️‼️‼️
”Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.“
John 14:6
we dont believe we are coming to the father through the saints 💀
Amen as a Catholic I please that 🙏 glory to Christ!
@@CarsonWhite-ko1mhwhere do you get your canon?
@@SonOFaNUN-jd7ov where everyone else gets it
@@CarsonWhite-ko1mh sorry friend. That question/comment was misdirected. Stay blessed. God protect you.
Keep speaking the truth
Amen 🙏
But you pray to mary!! Like it or not , you do.
@@murielpucoe9213He all Mary full of grace Lord is with thee blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus Holy Mary mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of her death amen.
@@guardtheham1233 There is a special book with all the prayers to Mary which mc Athur read last year.
@@murielpucoe9213 yep we pray to Mary and we like it. You should try being a biblical Christian like us.
Great explanation! Respect Sir! Salve Maria and Viva Christo Rey!✝️❤️🕊️🙏📿📿📿📿
Amen 🙏 blessed to be a Catholic
Matthew 12
46While he was still speaking to the people, behold, his mother and his brothers stood outside, asking to speak to him. 48But he replied to the man who told him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49And stretching out his hand toward his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
John 14:6-7 NIV
[6] Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. [7] If you really know me, you will know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him.”
Praying the rosary is not to get to God the father, it is to help you in abstain sin
@@Hgxts that's wrong! You confess your sins to God, and Jesus died for your sins already! You don't need a third person for that! MARY WAS JUST A WOMEN!!!!!
@@WorldGlobetrotters "just a woman."
Dude, I don't care what you believe, but you really need to watch how you talk about Jesus' mother.
@@WorldGlobetrottersyeah because just a women would be full of grace and would be called blessed among women your delusional
@@WorldGlobetrottersjust a WOMEN? please stop you troll. If the Blessed Virgin Mary is just a WOMAN think about what that makes the rest of us, tool.
The topic is Mary's maternal mediation. Can it be truly said that Mary mediates Christ her Son to us? Is she the Mother of all believers? And what exactly did St. Ephraem the Syrian (+ 373) mean when he said: "After the Mediator, you (Mary) are the Mediatrix of the whole world" (Oratio IV, Ad Deiparam).
I will attempt to demonstrate Mary's maternal mediation from Scripture.
Primarily, the unique mediation of the "One Mediator," Christ Our Lord ought to be understood of His hypostatic union: i.e., He is both true God and true man and thus is, in Himself, the Bridge between God and man. In this sense, He is the Unique Mediator.
The first Scripture is Jn 19:26-27: "Woman behold your son; behold your Mother." The interpretation put forth is that this is a universal proclamation of Our Savior, before His death, for all Christians: namely, that we must behold Mary as being our Mother in the order of grace. This claim is based on: 1. the term, "beloved disciple," which is the self-designation of the Evangelist, and which was inspired as such to be open to a universal significance; that is, that every person beloved of Our Lord is signified also in this name. 2. the unique fruitfulness of Mary's faith, which conceived Our Lord by the power of the Holy Spirit in the fullness of time at the Incarnation, and which at Calvary remained singularly fruitful in conceiving the life of grace within the Beloved Disciple and thus, by extension, within the heart of every believer, inasmuch as we have all been reborn by the saving mystery of Calvary. 3. the appellation, "Woman," by Our Lord, which situates the Crucifixion typologically in the context of a New Creation: a New Adam and a New Eve.
Regarding the designation of New Eve, we first hear of this term in St. Justin Martyr (+ 165), St. Irenaeus (+202), and Tertullian (+ 240). Justine lived in Palestine. Irenaeus was born in Turkey and lived in France. And Tertullian lived in Carthage, N. Africa. Given the geographic diffusion of this 2nd century teaching, it most likely originated with the Apostles themselves. Therefore, as Eve was the mother of disbelief unto original sin, the New Eve is the Mother of faith unto our justification.
The second passage illustrating Mary's maternal mediation occurred just days after the conception of Jesus Christ in her womb. At the Visitation, she carries, in haste, the Divine Presence to Elizabeth, who is six months pregnant with St. John the Baptist. Elizabeth testifies, "A soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy" (Lk 1:44). The interpretation runs thus. Mary communicates the grace of faith to both Elizabeth, who is filled with the Holy Spirit, and John, who leaps for joy. That is, grace is communicated through this word of faith to the hearers, hearers who are also in the Divine Presence of Jesus Christ. But Mary mediates the mystery through her word, which is the instrumental cause of this grace. The assertion is that her word is causal, in the effects evident in Elizabeth and John. And this interpretation is based on Elizabeth's own observation and confession. Jesus Christ, who is the source of all grace is the final cause of this grace, but it appears as working -- or mediated -- through a creature.
A third passage that has been put forth above is the Wedding Feast at Cana (Jn 2:1-12), at which Mary enjoys a preeminent place: "And the Mother of Jesus was there." In this interpretation the will of the servants is observed to be first and foundationally obedient to the command of Mary -- "Do whatever He tells you" -- an obedience through which the servants pass as through a door so as to become obedient to Our Lord's subsequent commands -- "Fill the jars with water" and "Now draw out." In this way, Mary is seen to mediate the servants' obedience to her Son. This is a volitional mediation and, as such, demonstrates the principle "To Jesus through Mary." That is, as Jesus Christ first came to us sinners through the Woman, so we likewise return to communion with Him -- our obedience of faith -- through the Woman. This also respects the chronology of the Fall: the sin of Eve prior to the sin of Adam. Here we have the faith of Mary unto the righteousness of Christ. In the language of the Church Fathers, it is the untying of the knot of disobedience.
A fourth passage demonstrating the maternal mediation of Mary is the Woman of the Apocalypse (Ch. 12). The Woman travails with her firstborn son, who is destined to rule all nations with an iron rod (i.e., the Christ). Subsequently, His brethren are also mentioned, also born of the Woman, although the birth is singular. The interpretation is that Jesus Christ has only one Mother, and since He has come to live in us, through justification by His Blood, we also have this same Mother. Thus also Jn 19:26 above, "Behold your Mother."
In the above, Mary is observed to be the Mother of the Church, and the Mother of all believers. Her faith is singularly fruitful not only at the Annunciation, but also at Calvary unto the perpetuation of the life of Jesus Christ in the heart of believers.
1 Timothy 2:5
5. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Luke 11:2
2. And He said to them, "When you pray, say: 'Father, hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come.
Any one can mediate for another but the foundation of her mediation is this one and only salvivic BLOOD of Christ.
The same applies to you.
@@Christusvinci Only a living member in the Body of Christ, redeemed by His Blood, can mediate for another. And the one who made this Blood possible (i.e., the Incarnation of the Word), by her maternal Fiat, still holds the same preeminent, maternal and mediating role for Christ's Body the Church. In other words:
there is no Precious Blood (the Incarnation) without Mary's Yes;
there is no redeeming Blood applied to your soul (the Mystical Body of Christ) without Mary's Yes.
The Mother is not optional in the generation of offspring.
As you pray to Mary and others….
Demons will even fool the elect if it were possible
Protestants need a reboot
Software updates lol
@@jaydenrivera-fz9us electro-theraphy lol just a little zap 🤣
@@NikkiMarie4130 Takem to the Apple Store lol
do they come with a reset button?
More like a factory reset😂
The Visitation (in addition to the Wedding Feast at Cana) is also a revelation of how Mary mediates her Son to us. It is at her word that St John the Baptist leaps in his mother's womb. A created word, the word of the Blessed Virgin Mary, mediates the divine Word of God to St John the Baptist for his sanctification and St Elizabeh as well.
How do you get all that from those passages? You think that she mediates Jesus to us now because John the Baptist leaped in her mothers womb? Why is it that this is not made clear in the epistles by the apostles if this is so. Jesus says that it is the Father who draws us to Him (John 6:44). The Holy Spirit baptizes us into Christ (1 Corinthians 12:12). There is no role of a human mediator or intercession bringing us to Christ. It is all done by God.
I think this is a problem with some doctrines people hold to: they are often eisegeted or read into a text without the text clearly stating it. For instance here, the leap was made from two account about specific situations to a universal application where Mary is given a present role that God has not revealed about her in scripture.
You do teach Mary died and rose again and call her Mediatrix but i know you not believe she is God our Savior but somehow we can call on her for help with Son in Heaven.
@@TomPlantagenet At the Visitation, the supernatural effect of Mary’s greeting is made explicit by the Word of God itself: "And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit." You disagree with the Holy Spirit's testimony or with Elizabeth's? For she herself testifies that "the sound of your [Mary’s] greeting" is that which has precipitated John's leap in her womb.
The charge of eisegesis can be an escape hatch when plain assertions about Scripture cannot be countered.
I assert that the sound of Mary’s greeting caused both the leap of John in the womb and Elizabeth's being filled with the Holy Spirit. And I base this on Elizabeth's own testimony, a testimony regarding cause and supernatural effect.
You simply do not like the inevitable conclusion and so level the charge of eisegesis.
Though you would readily concede the power of the Ark of the Covenant (made.of wood and gold) in the Old Testament, you fail to recognize this same God now working through a human person.
@@biblicalmariology it says that Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit when Mary spoke, however it does not say that Mary caused her to be filled with the Holy Spirit when she spoke. This is a matter of God‘s sovereignty. Likewise, the ark did not have power, it was God who operated over the ark. Again, God is the power over both the ark and the one who caused Elizabeth to be filled with the Holy Spirit, not Mary,
You have not responded to what I actually wrote. My concern here it is taking these passages in Luke 1 and John 2 and then reading into them the fact that Mary somehow mediated between us in Christ. Scripture does not explicitly or implicitly say that and as I’ve showed you with John 6 and first Corinthians 12 . the Scriptures would argue against that very thing you are asserting. There is only one mediator between God and man and that is Christ Jesus. It is not Christ mediated through Mary. Jesus is the intercessor between God and man. It does not say that Jesus is interceding by Mary. That is clearly an eisegetical interpretation.
Here’s the thing, what are you trusting in for your salvation? Is it your baptism, Good works, church membership? Or Jesus Christ ?
The Bible teaches that we are saved by “grace through faith and not by works”(Ephesians 2:8-9).If you believe that you need to do something in order to get salvation then you are trusting in what you do. You can say it’s grace, but if you’re doing something to get saved then it is works.(Romans 11:6).
God sent Jesus to die in our place to pay for our sins (1 John 2:2). Jesus then rose from the dead to give us new life (John 11:25-26). That is what saves us. It is the Person and the Work of Jesus Christ which makes us right with God. Our sins separate us from God (Isaiah 59:1-2); therefore, they must be paid for (Hebrews 2:17)and we must be born again(John 3:3). That is what Jesus’ death and resurrection accomplishes.
The work of Christ is Imputed to us by God’s grace through faith (Roman’s 3:21-26; John 3:16). Nothing we can do can contribute in any way to our salvation. It is a free gift that is being given to us and all we can do is humbly receive it by trusting in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ.(1 Corinthians 15:1-5; Acts 16:31).
Finally, we are either trusting in Christ or we are not(John 14:6). There is no faith in Christ plus our works equals salvation. Partially trusting in works (baptism, charitable giving, other sacraments) means not trusting in Christ. If you are adding works to the gospel, then you are lost (Galatians5:4) and on your way to hell. You are believing another gospel (Galatians 1:8-9). I emplore you to repent of this false gospel and your sins and receive the free gift of salvation that is only found in Jesus and His death for our sins and His resurrection. (Romans 4:25). Remember the Pharisee and the tax collector (Luke 18:9-14).
I’m not writing this to win an argument. I’m writing this in love. I’m a beggar who was given food and I’m showing you where to get it.
@@TomPlantagenet Thank you for your reply. I will try to respond to your concerns paragraph by paragraph.
1. Elizabeth recognizes and testifies to this causality: "at the sound of your greeting." She finds the coincidence remarkable enough to declare it, to confess it. We are in agreement over the sovereignty of God over all things. And yet He works through His creatures and through Mary in a singular way. Let us not forget that she is carrying the Christ within her womb, much like the Ark contained the Divine Presence in the Old Testament.
Another OT example of God working through His creatures can be seen in Judith: "The Lord our God slew him [Holofernes] by the hand of a woman" (Jud 13:19).
2. I also believe that you have not adequately responded to what I have written, insofar as I have laid out in both passages the revealed mediation of Mary.
Re: Jn 6:44 - "No man can come to Me, except the Father, who hath sent Me, draw Him. As mentioned above, God is the final cause of all things, drawing all unto Himself. And yet, God works through His creatures to draw men unto Himself, as it is written in Romans 1:19-20 - " Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them. For the invisible things of Him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; His eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are without excuse."
God draws men to believe in Him as the Creator of all through creation itself. Therefore, that the Father draws men to Christ is by no means mutually exclusive with the mediation of creatures. After all, you were baptized not by yourself, but by another. You came to faith because someone preached to you the Word of Truth or you read the Word of Truth as written by a human person. So, too, the mediation of the Christ -- at both the Visitation and the Wedding Feast at Cana -- by Mary does not exclude by rather glorifies, indeed, amplifies, God's omnipotence. This, in fact, is the entire logic of salvation as revealed in Gen 3:15, namely, that the devil would be crushed by the foot of the Woman, by the same sex he first presumed to deceive. God is All. There is no question regarding His sovereignty. The question I put to you is whether you believe He is at work through His creation, and most especially, through those who have been created in His image and likeness. So, again, like the passage of Judith above: God is the final cause, and the woman is the instrumental cause.
Re: 1 Cor 12:13 - "For in one Spirit were we all baptized into one body..." The same principle applies. The Holy Spirit is the divine agent, and yet human agency is also involved. I.e., you did not baptize yourself, nor did you come to faith without another human's agency.
St. Paul mediated to you the above reading, and St. John the prior reading. The Holy Spirit is the Divine Author, and yet the human authorship is also valid to speak of.
3. I trust in God's mercy and grace for my salvation.
4. You're off topic here -- no longer speaking of mediation -- but are articulating a typical Protestant point known as sola fide. Perhaps another day.
5. "God sent Jesus to die..." No problem here. Agreed.
6. Imputation of grace is a Lutheran idea and discounts the actual transformative power of grace to change us from within. For example, Catholics believe that Baptism effects an ontological change of the human person, that is, a change of one's very being. Thus we do not equivocate when we claim to be a "new creation" in Christ. Imputation, however, does equivocate in this regard.
7. Again you beg off to a tangential point regarding faith vs. works. No progress can be made if you do not stay on topic.
8. You ostensibly are showing me where to get my food in Sacred Scripture. But in reality you offer yourself as my food. You have no authority to interpret the Word of God in a definitive manner. That authority was given only to Christ's Church, of which I have been made -- by God's sheer mercy -- an unworthy minister. I therefore speak to you of truths from the treasury of the Church, a veritable banquet of the limitless wisdom of the inexhaustible Word of God. You, on the other hand, invite me to partake of a meager and bitter meal of a heretical Augustinian monk. Please understand if I decline.
That’s a big lie!
This is what Romans says:
“Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.”
Romans 8:34
he is using scriptures
He is, but he is twisting the scriptures. Romans 8:34 doesn’t say Jesus is our mediator like he’s saying.
Romans8:34 says Jesus is our intercessor.
Listen to what he is saying.
Mary is not your mediator nor makes intercession for you.
The one who does is Jesus Christ our God and Savior.
The Bible says that saints also intercede for us. Rev 5:8 says, “And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.”
@@AlexRamirez.17 Early Christians interpret the Bible the way he is doing. Protestant came with their own interpretation and now any interpretation before the reformation is a roman interpretation no more interpretation of the early Christians. It seems to me you guys are the once twisting scriptures. You will always need the authority of the Catholic to interpret scriptures for you. The Catholic church has had that,authority since Jesus. The Eucharist is Biblical and yet you do not believe in it, James say faith without works is dead you refuse to believe, Jesus say to follow him carry your cross and yet you say works isnt needed for salvation, Revelation justifies the intercession of the saints you refuse to believe, Mathiew spoke of purgatory, you say it's not Biblical because you want God to use the word purgatory. God instructs Moses to make images on the Arc for Worship, you call catholic idols worshipers for making images of Jesus and heavenly icons...... yet you say the Catholics church is not Biblical. You Think we do no know about Christ being the one mediator ? We do but Even Christ in the transfiguration spoke to Moses an Elijah, If they could hear Christ why do you think the cant hear us? One mediator here one mediator there and yet you ask your friends to pray for you. God is just amazed by how you practice what you preach
You killed it☺️
Salve Maria!
I will simplify the equation: if anyone prays to anyone or thing apart from our Father in heaven according to His fullness, you are speaking to demons, unclean spirits.
That’s called satanic worship
Define "pray to."
I'm gonna pass on that and stay safe. I'll continue to pray to the Lord as instructed and ask those that are alive to pray for me when I need. I except Mary of course as the mother of Christ, but since there is no command nor instruction to pray to her I'll be keeping clear of that.
Please keep praying to God in the name of Jesus Christ. That's what this young man is saying in this video. Perhaps you missed that point. The Catholic Church has never asked otherwise, as many protestants mistakenly believe.
@@tellthetruth6430 Oh so he wasn't suggesting to pray in this way "Hail Mary full of grace the lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy whom Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death." Yeah, thats actually prayer. It may not be worshipping but it is consulting with the dead.
@@Rendasd Our God is the God of the living and not the God of the dead. He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Mosses, Elijah, Blessed Virgin Mary, Peter, Paul, Anthony and so on. Book of John 11 Verses 25 to 26. [25] Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: [26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.
The saints are alive with God in Heaven and know what's happening here on earth. The Hail Mary you recited are 90% scriptures with a request for our mother, the mother of God to join us/ask/pray to our God. Please note that we Catholics include Jesus in God in this regard. To understand this, you'd have to understand the concept of the Holy Trinity.
@@tellthetruth6430aah keep your hoole cat hole , just recite the holeey hole of Mary: where in the Bible it says Mary deserves prayer and worship, or she's an intercessor! No more Bs
@@tellthetruth6430don't make false claims.
The rosary prayer called the Hail Mary is at most 60% biblical.
The rest is added on. Count the words. Do the math. Don't just put in random figures and think it is facts.
Even the devil at the temptation of Jesus used "90%" of Scripture mixed in with lies to try to get him to fall.
Jesus overcame through using Scripture. Not by using vague concepts formed by men.
Yes, Mary is our intercessor!
Bible verse please
When the disciples asked how they should pray
Jesus said OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN
He didnt say to pray to our mother in heaven
Neither do we see ANY mention of praying to mary in the epistles
Is the voice of reason
Or voice of man
Voice of ASSUMPTION
Give me the verse where Mary is the intercessor😂
Honestly🤦🏻♀️ if they’d just read the bible it’s all there… JESUS IS OUR INTERCESSOR
ANYONE can be our intercessor. Intercession means to pray for someone else. So we literally ask Mary to pray for us! Stop with the nonsense.
@@exosisyphus missed the point… anyone who is ALIVE can yes pray and be an intercessor… Mary is not alive and is not our intercessor.. is my point, we should not and are told very clearly not to communicate to the dead!
@@exosisyphusbut shes dead.... she wasnt an angel or divine so how could you think shes in any position to pray or intercede for you? Thats assuming that because she was chosen to be the earthly mother to Our Savior that she holds power to do anything for you. PLUS thats not in the Bible. We can ask the Holy spirit to teach us to pray in the will of God by praying in the Spirit. ONLY through Jesus can we get to the Father anything outside of that is a sin as the Bible expressly forbids consulting mediums or souls of the dead
Mary and all the other saints are DEAD! Praying to any of them or venerating them makes you an idolaters, BREAKING the first commandment "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Catholics and Anglicans are all idolaters. Their churches are full of images. Please, my brothers and sisters, Jesus says "no one comes to the Father except through me."
So one thing that really caught my attention from what Alex's response to that question about if the pope were to allow gay marriage then his opinion is Catholism would not be true. That sounds like a big burden for the pope, a sinner just like the rest of us, to carry. I feel like the truth should rest in Jesus's hands because only He is the truth, the way and life. I liked this debate because in a way I saw a lot of unity, mutual respect, and love between the two parties. It really is refreshing to see that. I don't like to give myself a title other than I am a believer and follower of Jesus. Church and unity are important but we have to remember that the church isn't perfect. I have never been inside a single church that has been. I been to both. The enemy has done so many things possible to separate and confuse God's truth but the great thing about this debate is that both Alex and Dr. White believe Christ is King and savior of the world and He is the only way. ❤
So wise theologically but so blinded spiritually. Those who worships Mary, no Salvation for such people, the God of this age has blinded the churches too.
How is saying Mary is an intercessor worship?
It annoys me, as a Catholic convert from Protestantism, that Protestants say that we worship Mary when in fact we venerate her and other saints who are more alive than us in heaven and they say that we can’t ask her to intercede when in fact the first verse of the passage of 1 Timothy that he pleads Christians to intercede for one another. Also, God finds it rude for people to smudge Mary when in fact she is called blessed and said all generations will call her blessed (St. Luke 1:48).
They are not alive , they died and were buried, only 3 people are alive in heaven that we know Eli, Enoch, and Moses that‘s it
I will assume you meant venerate, since generate makes no sense in the context. 1st Timothy specifically states that such intercessions are to be made in the context of prayer, and not on behalf of their sin. And not to God directly. If Jesus died for my sins, whose intercession do I need? And if I need intercession, why did Jesus die on the cross, if His blood is not sufficient to cover my sins?
@@nawrassnajjar5210Do you understand eternal life? Do you know John 3:16?
@@CrusaderofGodEditz John 3:16 seriously? You’re going to twist that into that Christians who die now have eternal life immediately ?
No no, Jesus the describe the dead as asleep in Matthew 9:24, so there body’s resting and souls are resting till the day of judgement like it says in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 and revelation 20:13
Plus in Exodus 20:3-5 GOD clearly doesn’t want us to pray to anyone or anything but HIM
@@nawrassnajjar5210 Revelations 8:4?
Jesus is the one mediator between man and the Father.
Mary is an intercessor between man and Jesus. Not between man and the Father.
Protestants enjoy being obtuse.
1. Mary's Unique Position:
@@absolutepixels3812 don't ask any friends to pray for you, because you don't need their prayers since you can go directly to Jesus.🙂
@@absolutepixels3812 how do you KNOW Jesus is forgiving you?
@@absolutepixels3812 that's fine.
@@absolutepixels3812
We don't go to any of the saints when it comes to forgiveness or repentance, what's your point?
“Intercessor” is different than “mediator”, much like “veneration” is different than “praying”.
However, the problem is when Romans use the “intercessor” as a mediator to Christ on our behalf, then one can see Rome is using semantics with these words. In practice, Romans do view St. Mary as an “intercessor”, but in practice try to use her as a mediator for mankind instead of Christ Himself.
The very same holds true between the semantics of “veneration” and “pray”, and the actual practice of praying to saints instead of God Himself.
This is a big point if we can’t ask others to pray for us then we shouldn’t be able to intercede for others which all of us do.we pray to god for non believers and the sick and poor and all walks of life.
You can ask other people to pray for you, as you can ask them to help you move houses for example. By your logic you cannot ask someone alive to help you, when you can't ask Mary to help you move a couch.
The bible tells me not to consult the dead and when asking for intersession it should be from someone who is ALIVE...
the saints are alive
The bible doesn’t say to pray to the saints that have left the earth it tells us to pray for one another that are alive
@@elenadexter5430 so we are dead in heaven?
John 11:25-26 ESV
[25] Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, [26] and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
Luke 20:37-38 ESV
[37] But that the dead are raised, even Moses showed, in the passage about the bush, where he calls the Lord the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob. [38] Now he is not God of the dead, but of the living, for all live to him.
Consulting the dead through divination is not the same as prayer. You are conflating the two. And the Bible says those who are in christ are not dead. Jesus talked to Moses and Elijah (both died for 100s of years before him) but he was not condemn for divination, was he?
While Mary holds a special place as the mother of Jesus, the Bible makes it clear that her role does not grant her unique access to God. In Luke 11:27-28, a woman in the crowd praised Mary for giving birth and nursing Jesus. However, Jesus responded by emphasizing the importance of hearing and obeying the Word of God. This indicates that spiritual blessings and closeness to God come through faith and obedience, not through earthly relationships or lineage.
Luke 11:27-28 (NIV):
"As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, 'Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.' He replied, 'Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.'”
2. One Mediator:
1 Timothy 2:5 emphasizes that there is only one mediator between God and mankind, which is Jesus Christ. This verse reinforces the idea that all believers, regardless of their earthly connections, have direct access to God through Christ, without the need for intermediaries like Mary.
1 Timothy 2:5 (NIV):
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus..."
3. Exclusive Worship:
In Luke 4:8, Jesus quotes Scripture, affirming that worship should be directed exclusively to the Lord God. This verse underscores the principle that God alone is worthy of worship and service, not any human, including Mary.
Luke 4:8 (NIV):
"Jesus answered, 'It is written: Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'"
4. Mary's Sinlessness:
The Bible explicitly states that Jesus is the only one who lived a sinless life. This is supported by various passages, such as:
2 Corinthians 5:21 (NIV):
"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
Hebrews 4:15 (NIV):
"For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are-yet he did not sin."
1 Peter 2:22 (NIV):
"He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth."
These verses highlight the sinlessness of Jesus, contrasting it with the human condition.
In conclusion, while Mary's role as the mother of Jesus is highly respected in the Christian faith, the Bible consistently emphasizes that all believers have direct access to God through faith in Jesus Christ. There is no biblical support for the idea that Mary should receive prayers from Christians or that she was without sin. These concepts are not explicitly taught in Scripture and are therefore matters of theological interpretation within specific Christian traditions.
Don't take verses out of context. What you're doing is calling the Holy Spirit a liar solely so that you can claim Catholicism is false.
When Jesus says "rather blessed are those who hear the word and keep it", he's not saying Mary isn't blessed. He's instead just readjusting the focus back onto what He's talking about. Contextually, the woman felt she couldn't be blessed because she wasn't related to Christ, thus Christ basically said "those who hear and keep the word are blessed".
in Luke 1:41-44, when the Holy Spirit (who is fully God) fills Elizabeth, she cries out to Mary, "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb! And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy."
And since the Holy Spirit is fully God, He cannot lie, and since Elizabeth, suddenly filled with the Spirit, cried out "Blessed are you among women!", we can safely rest assured that Mary is indeed blessed among all women.
Or better yet, why don't we look at Luke 1:28 where Mary is given the title "Κεχαριτωμένη." aka Full of Grace, perfect passive participle - Can you name me any other person in the Scripture who is Κεχαριτωμένη? (To save you some time, no, you can't. There is only one person described as Κεχαριτωμένη in the Scripture, and that is mother Mary.)
Mary was very clearly given a special kind of grace.
But Mary is not our intercessor
Correct
For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; *by the which we draw nigh unto God*
UNTO GOD
THROUGH CHRIST
NOT UNTO MARY OR THROUGH MARY
20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
22 By so much was *Jesus made a surety* of a better testament.
23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost *that come unto God by him* , seeing he ever liveth to make *intercession for them*
Workers of iniquity need to repent of their unbelief
Paul in Romans: "Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died-more than that, who was raised-who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us." Also Hebrews: "Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them."
So, Jesus is Mediator and also Intercessor. In fact, given Paul's language they seem to be functionally and ontologically interchangeable, thus making the need for intercession by Mary superfluous and unnecessary.
Jesus is our intercessor as well as our mediator. Is Mary needed if this is the case. Mary isn't needed, because God is enough.
Well said sir
Amen God is enough, but God uses humans. Sharing your faith with your earthly mother doesnt take away from God just like sharing your faith with your heavenly mother doesnt take away from God
is that how you honor the woman that God honored... "not needed" i think is a very ingrateful word...
mary gave her total obedience to God when she was called for GoD's plan.. total obedience meaning she risked her life to bear the messiah and here you are
.just a man who doest not really know WHAT TOTAL OBEDIENCE TO GOD really means...
Well then I guess you don't need anyone's prayers then, do you?
@@eddardgreybeard if the saints can hear my prayers that would mean they are omnipresent, correct?
Preach brotha!! Ave Maria, Viva Christo Rey!
Dont Catholics pray Hail Mary with the rosary?
@@richardgomez7840"hail" is a form of greeting
The Lord is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth. He fulfills the desire of those who fear him; he also hears their cry and saves them.
Why do we need an intercessor?
Our intercessor is the Holy Spirit. Mary can't be an intercessor since she is part of the ones Who will rise from the dead when Jesus come. I am an intercessor because I am still alive and i am praying for people. Mary is just waiting.
Mary is the deceased mother of our Lord Jesus Christ. His mother is not to be venerated. Catholics and anyone else who prays to Mary is worshipping an idol. She is NOT an intercessor. She is dead. Christ is also our intercessor with the FATHER interceding on our behalf.
Jesus says "Pray to the Father through, me." You are recognising the sacrifice, so the Father sees you clean and free from sin.
So, totally agree with you 100%
Also, to the Catholics...why did your church change the 2nd commandment?
Exodus 20:4
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Why did the catholic church split the 10th?
Do you know, the first half of the 10 commandments is to honour God, the rest is to honour mankind. So what you did is put an honouring of mankind before the rest of the laws that honour God.
"Thou shalt have no other gods before me..."
You have been misled by catholosizm.
@@vincenthartzenberg5794 How can you say that you do not believe in the resurrection of the body in the afterlife when it is in the Bible? Matthew 22:30-32. Mary is in Heaven. She is alive. Mary can intercede for us. Anybody can intercede for anyone. 1 Timothy 2:1-4 calls for people to pray for others. Jesus does this too in Matthew 5:44. Hebrews 12:23 reveals that people in Heaven are made perfect and righteous. James 5:15 shows that the prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective. We are simply not worshipping Mary. We are calling for her powerful intercession on us to bring us closer to God. The more we please Mary, the more we please Jesus. Wouldn’t you be happy if someone treated your mother with utmost respect and honour? This is why we have special devotions and artworks devoted to Mary. “Never be afraid of loving the Blessed Virgin too much. You can never love her more than Jesus did.” - St. Maximilian Kolbe.
then why did the angels venerate her with the hail Mary? luke 1:28
@@vincenthartzenberg5794 Catholics only have 1 God lmao. Mary isnt considered a God in christianity nor is she worshipped
New christian here: Where does it say Mary is an intercessor in the Bible?
John 2:1-11
Specifically in verse 3, what is she doing. meditate on her action and her her words. May the Holy Spirit guide you to the fullness of the truth
Where does it say that Jesus is God in the bible? You have to infer certain things.
@@Kikki_3
And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine.”
I don’t see anything here… can you elaborate ?
@@RebiwGiant-um8vp there’s plenty of places where Jesus equates himself and attributes to God. He doesn’t have to say “I am God” in those specific words.
@@joeshaer777 well, you had to infer that to understand, right?
*He saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no one to intercede* ; then his own arm brought him salvation, and his righteousness upheld him
Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors.
Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God
Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.
Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints
But you, beloved, building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit,
Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died-more than that, who was raised-who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us
So if we pray IN THE SPIRIT... and that same spirit is INTERCEDING FOR US... Why pray to Mary?!
Honestly, everyone needs to stop labelling ourselves under these man made labels. It says, if we believe in our hearts and confess with our mouths that Jesus is Lord & that he rose again, then we’re followers of Christ. Let’s stop debating over the small things and start focusing on glorifying our Lord and Saviour. Division is the trick of the devil. Don’t let him win.
I love your content brother. But I wanted to mention that there is a very strong Catholic teaching, via many pontiffs, that Mary is the Mediatrix of All Graces.
From Scripture it works like this: Jesus is the one Mediator between God and man insofar as He is both true God and true man, and we must be in Him to be saved. He is the one Bridge. But Mary truly mediates the human will of her Son.
Check it out... at the Wedding Feast at Cana it is Mary who tells the servants, "Do whatever He tells you." So when Our Lord tells them to "fill the jars up to the brim" the servants obey not only Jesus but also (now transparently), with every subsequent command of Our Lord, they obey also (foundationally) Mary. So Mary mediates the obedience of the servants with her Son. There is no obedience to Jesus without a prior obedience to Mary: this is the revelation of the Wedding Feast at Cana, and it points to the teaching that Mary is the Mediatrix of All Graces. Pax brother!
Thanks for your comment. Can I ask an honest question? None of the apostles picked up on this teaching from John 2 in their epistles to the churches connecting our obedience to Christ and Mary. Do you know who the first church father was to make your point that “there is no obedience to the Son without prior obedience to Mary?” On the surface it seems like a real stretch of the passage.
If jesus is a mediator, a bridge connecting god and man, doesnt just mean he is a messenger, a prophet, not a god?
Jesus himself said theres is only 1 true god, and he said he is a mediator between god and man,
doesnt this show that he is a messenger only?
Because of the confusion over over the use of the term mediator in regard to Mary, the church encourages us to use other terms such as intercessor. She mediates Christ to us in many ways, the obvious being her motherhood of Christ. We honour her, but any legitimate honour leads us closer to Christ.
@@HeavnzMiHome thank you for your response! So you agree with the statement that was made, “there is no obedience to the Son that is not prior obedience to Mary?” And if so, I’m trying to find out where this thinking is first taught explicitly in Church history.
@@syafiqhabib1444 good question. I’m guessing your question comes from a Muslim background, and I totally understand where the confusion would come from. We both would agree that just as the complexity of creation is way beyond our full understanding, so is the nature of God Himself. In the same book that Jesus calls the Father, “the only true God” (gospel of John), equality with God is attributed to Him in several places. We believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three distinct persons within the one true God. Each is fully God, thus God exists in relationship with Himself. This is how Jesus can be our mediator to the Father and be God at the same time, just as the Holy Spirit is God who lives in us.
Thank you for reading; I hope that makes sense!
Yes that is true pray for one another, intercession but for those who are alive physically not for the dead. And are we not all saints those who believe in Christ Jesus
Saints are in heaven.
Claiming sainthood before Christ crowns you as one is stealing valor.
Actually, we are told to pray for the dead and all those who are in christ are still alive even if they come to past. It's in the Bible
We are all called saints, yes. The saints we refer to when speaking of those in Heaven are the saints canonized whom we know have made it to Heaven.
For example, st carlo acutis already has 2 miracles attributed to his intercession, so he's quickly become a saint. he is the most recent canonized saint
Romans 8:34 (KJV): 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
”For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.“
1 Timothy 2:5-6 KJV
Why need to pray to saints or Mary? Jesus is the only mediator and intercessor we need. To ask other saints to intercede for them shows lack of trust in Jesus.
Mary is just a woman. She sinned, Christ even said that His body is His true mother, brothers and sisters. You cannot pray to mary, she is not devine, she cannot do anything. Pray to Christ, the true salvation. May the Lord open the eyes of all Catholics✝️🙏
Mary, the unrecognized Queen of the Universe hastened to the home of Her cousin, Elizabeth, whom She knew --- by a messenger from Her Royal Consort --- to be with child. When She entered Her cousin's home, Saint Elizabeth did not know how to thank Her and, filled with humility, burst forth in the exclamation: "And whence is this to me that the Mother of My Lord should visit me?" (Luke, 1, 32).
"But how could this be?" asks a Doctor of the Church. "Did not Saint Elizabeth already know that not only Mary, but also Jesus had entered her house? Why then does she say that she is unworthy to receive the Mother and not, rather, that she is unworthy to receive the Son, Who had come to visit her? Ah, yes, it is because the Saint knew full well that when Mary comes She brings Jesus, and therefore it was sufficient to thank the Mother without naming the Son."
And so, too, when Our Lady visited this vale of tears with an assurance of salvation, She brought Salvation with Her. As formerly She had "contained Christ as manna in the ark of Her womb, and brought Him forth to be the Food and Salvation of the world".
The whole meaning of Our Lady, the whole meaning of any gesture on Her part to assure our salvation, is to be found in the thirst of the Sacred Heart for love. This is as true as the fact that a bridge derives its whole meaning from the banks which it joins. Mary has but one desire, a desire born at the foot of the Cross: to see resound from pole to pole the one cry, "Praise be to the Divine Heart of Jesus!"
Where there is Mary, there is Jesus. Mary brought the Salvation for us through her perfect resignation to God and you say she was just a woman? "For behold, from now on all generations will call me blessed;"
"Whoever desires the fruit must go to the tree; whoever desires Jesus must go to Mary; and whoever finds Mary will most certainly find Jesus." -ST. ALPHONSUS
@@charbelbechara5640 No saint whoships a creation, which mary is. That is idol whorship.
@@FollowerofChrist12 Well, we don't worship Mary. Please, stop saying what your ministers have brainwashed you with and refer to the teachings of the catholic church.
Mary doesn't intercede for anyone! Its unbiblical!
but it is tho
@@3.v.4.n show me.
@@simuljustusetpeccator5547He's been silent
@@simuljustusetpeccator5547he couldn't find it, I suppose😂😂😂
Of course he can't find it because no one prayed to saints in the bible it's a doctrine of devils Satan wants to enter their life's and this is how he does it
Romans 8:26 says that it is the Holy Spirit who is our intercessor
Immaculate Mary your praises we sing. Your reign now in splendor with Jesus our King. In Heaven the blessed your glory proclaim; On earth we your children invoke your sweet name
Jean Gaignet
Immaculate Mary
there is no single reason why a Christian should pray to anyone but God....
period
Intercession isn't direct prayer
Did you watch this video at all?
@guardtheham1233 Yes, intercession is direct prayer... you're praying directly to whomever you're asking for it...
Give me one good reason why you can not go to God directly.
@tellthetruth6430 Yes, I watched the entire thing....
(Thank you for taking the time to respond, by the way)
Answer these:
What is a valid reason for praying to anyone other than God as a believer?
Is Mary or any of the saints omniscient?
When did Jesus pray to anyone other than God the Father or instruct anyone to pray to his mother or any of the OT saints?
Your response is appreciated... Thanks!
@@thehelpdesk4051 Which part of the video did he say we pray to someone other than God?
Mary can’t be an intercessor cause she is dead. Therefor you can’t pray to her statue. That would be praying to an idol.
God is not the God of the dead but of the living.
Mathew 22.32
Meaning we who believe in Jesus Christ are not dead but alive because we believe in him those that don’t believe in Jesus Christ are dead spiritual speaking it has nothing to do with Mary being alive she is still in the grave waiting for the resurrection day
And when Mary did die, angels took her body to heaven where she was restored to life and was made Queen of Heaven, Earth, and Purgatory. Mary IS the intercession between us and Jesus
Where in the Bible is that said!
That’s the biggest lie of catholicism!!
There is no queen of Heaven ! That is no where in scripture!
@@NomoretoxicthoughtsYou might hear of the 4th Marian Dogma, just for example... the Assumption of Mary into Heaven, and think.. "No way." or "Where is that in the Bible?" Would you begin to be more open to what the Catholic Church teaches about Mary, and what holy and devout saints have written about Mary, if I showed you that the Bible very strongly shows that Mary is indeed bodily in Heaven, and crowned as a Queen on top of that? It just takes a little exploration, and it's very intriguing!
The "bodily" in Heaven aspect is significant, because we see in Revelation 6 that even the martyrs in Heaven are there as souls, awaiting the resurrection of the dead and the reception of glorified incorruptible bodies. If Mary can be seen in Heaven body AND soul, that in itself points to her uniqueness in salvation history/the order of grace. This is, of course, just on top of the whole being chosen to carry in her womb, give birth to, and raise the Savior who is God!
"9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne. 10 They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
Rev. 6: 9-10
This cracks open the door for the communion of and intercession of the saints, along with much more Biblical and historical support, but alas, we are here to show the evidence in the Bible that the 4th Marian Dogma is 100% true, so let's get back to it! :]
Let's explore the Bible! Old and New Testaments.
God, the Holy Spirit overshadowed and then indwelled the Ark. The Ark became the dwelling place of the presence of God.
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"Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. And Moses was not able to enter the tent of meeting because the cloud settled on it, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle."
Exodus 40: 34-35
"And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy-the Son of God."
Luke 1: 35
The Holy Ghost inspired St. Luke to portray Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant in his Gospel. In Luke 1: 35, the angel Gabriel tells Mary, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you." "Overshadow" here comes from the Greek word "episkiasei", which denotes a bright cloud of glory. It is used in reference to the cloud at the transfiguration of Jesus (Matthew 17: 5, Mark 9: 7. Luke 9: 34). This cloud is none other than the Shekinah Glory, the visible Presence of God in the Hebrew Scriptures, which dwelt in the Holy of Holies above the ark of the covenant (Exodus 24: 15-16, 40: 34-38, 1 Kings 8: 10).
The Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures made two centuries before Christ, uses "episkiasei" in Exodus 40: 34-35 to describe the Shekhinah's overshadowing of the Temple. Saint Luke, who was quite familiar with the Septuagint, uses the very same word for the Spirit's overshadowing of Mary! The angel Gabriel clearly drew a parallel between God's presence in the Sanctuary and in Mary. She is the new, living Ark chosen to bear the God-Messiah
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Old Testament
The Ark contained the Ten Commandments [the words of God in stone], a pot of manna, and Aaron's rod that came back to life.
Deutoronomy 10: 3-5, Hebrews 9: 4
"having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant."
Hebrews 9: 4
New Testament
The womb of the Virgin contained Jesus: the living Word of God enfleshed, the living bread from heaven, "the Branch" (Messianic title) who would die but come back to life.
And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy-the Son of God.
Luke 1: 35
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Old Testament
The Ark traveled to the hill country of Judah to rest in the house of Obed-edom
2 Samuel 6: 1-11
New Testament
"In those days Mary arose and went with haste into the hill country, to a town in Judah,"
Luke 1: 39
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Old Testament
Dressed in a priestly ephod, King David approached the Ark and danced and leapt for joy [2 Samuel 6: 14, 16]
"And David danced before the Lord with all his might."
2 Samuel 6: 14
"As the ark of the Lord came into the city of David, Michal the daughter of Saul looked out of the window and saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord, and she despised him in her heart."
2 Samuel 6: 16
New Testament
John the Baptist, son of a priest who would himself becomes a priest, leapt for joy in Elizabeth's womb at the approach of Mary.
"And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the baby leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit,
Luke 1: 41
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Old Testament
David shouted for joy in the presence of God and the holy Ark [2 Samuel 6: 15]
So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouting and with the sound of the horn.
2 Samuel 6: 15
New Testament
"And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!"
Luke 1: 41-42
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"And David was afraid of the Lord that day, and he said, “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?”
2 Samuel 6: 9
"And why is this granted to me that the mother of my Lord should come to me?"
Luke 1: 43
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Old Testament
The Ark remained in the house of Obed-edom for 3 months.
"And the ark of the Lord remained in the house of Obed-edom the Gittite three months, and the Lord blessed Obed-edom and all his household."
2 Samuel 6: 11
New Testament
"And Mary remained with her about three months and returned to her home."
Luke 1: 56
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Old Testament
The Ark returned to its sanctuary and eventually ends up in Jerusalem where the presence and glory of God is revealed in the newly built Temple [2 Samuel 6: 12; 1 Kings 8: 9-11]
New Testament
Mary returned home from visiting Elizabeth and eventually comes to Jerusalem, where she presents God the Son in the Temple [Luke 1: 56; 2: 21-22]
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Old Testament
God made Aaron's rod (which would be kept in the Ark) return to life and budded to prove he was the legitimate High Priest [Numbers 17: 8]
New Testament
God would resurrect His Son, who had become enfleshed in Mary's womb and born to bring salvation to all mankind, to prove He is the eternal High Priest [Hebrews 4: 14].
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When the Ark was outside the Holy of Holies [when it was being transported] it was to be covered with a blue veil [Numbers 4: 4-6]
In Mary's appearances outside of heaven visionaries testify that she wears a blue veil.
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"Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen within his temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake, and heavy hail."
Revelation 11: 19
The next verse:
"And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth."
Revelation 12: 1-2
'She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,"
Revelation 12: 5
In Revelation 12: 1 John sees Mary bodily in heaven. It is the same vision Juan Diego saw of Mary in 1531 - the Woman clothed with the sun and standing on the moon.
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Pretty cool, right?! I find it fascinating.
Possible objection: Jesus is the new Ark of the Covenant (Romans 3: 25), not Mary.
That passage states that Jesus is a propitiatory sacrifice, not the Propitiatory itself (the cover of the ark, also called the "mercy seat"). Though some early Christians speculated that the old ark could be a type of Christ, the Bible does not state that Jesus is the Ark of the New Covenant. Nor does it deny that Mary is the New Ark; in fact it strongly insinuates that she is.
The ark was a created thing, a mere vessel which carried the presence of God. Jesus is not just a vessel carrying God's presence, He is God Incarnate. There's a big difference! Mary, on the other hand, is a mere creature, a living vessel who carried the presence of God. She is to the New Covenant what the ark was to the Old Covenant. Though the Bible never portrays Jesus as the New Ark, we saw above that II Samuel 6: 2-11 clearly parallels the Visitation thus indicating that Mary is the New Ark.
*taken from Agape Bible Study, with objection and response from Mary immaculate dot tripod dot c o m.
I pray you open your hear to the Holy Spirit and start catching real revelation to the stuff you memorize in the bible. In Jesus name…. amen
Mediator is a synonym for intercessor😢i pray for your salvation and your spirit
That doesn't mean they are the same thing that just means they are similar. A mediator is someone who delivers your prayers. A intercessor is someone who makes their OWN prayers on your behalf. So like how you said you were going to pray for his salvation. That is intercession. So you literally just condemned yourself.
@@CarsonWhite-ko1mh damn you got high iq
@@traildisc155 thanks man
Jesus Died for Mary too, she to needs a savior. She was a special person. But no Man is above another. Only Jesus is all God all Man. Most high living God. And he's a Jealous God.
Not so jealous that he would damn anyone asking the saints for their prayers.
....No one is saying Mary didn't need a savior...
Also, the whole reason protestants cling to this idea is because the protestant bible is missing 7 books that have a LOT of people praying to Saints and even the dead soldiers of Christ....
No wonder Protestantism is "close" but never quite accurate.
@@Psalm22_16 No Christian prays to any Body but the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. If you do you are not a Son of the Living God. You are the son of your father the Devil
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*No Christian prays to any Body but the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit.*
Feel free to elaborate on what "pray to" means.
If it means "worship," then you need to cease the straw manning, because no catholic worships the saints.
It would be idolatry.
@@eddardgreybeard Before this goes any further. Do you even know what the difference between a "Roman Catholic" and a "Catholic" is.
If we listen to respond instead of listening to learn we will never understand anything…Protestant are so hardheaded I can say this because I was one of them untill I decided to learn church history…
“or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the Lord, and because of these abominations the Lord your God drives them out from before you.”
Deuteronomy 18:11-12
Mary interceeds
Jesus intercedes not Mary
“Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.”
Romans 8:34
@@AlexRamirez.17 for the love of God wtf is wrong with you people
@@NikkiMarie4130He literally just used the Word of God, God's word, God's opinion, God's statement, Gods thoughts, God's view on the matter, to prove you wrong logically, and you asked what's wrong with him? I pray that God will wake you up and shake you and the scales of pride, ignorance and foolishness will fall off your eyes in Jesus name
No, she is called mediatrix in your religion.
@@AlexRamirez.17Jesus is not our intercessor he is God
Because we have so many examples of saints praying to Mary in scripture. Stay away from false doctrine. Jesus doesnt have a hearing problem.
Romans 10:13 NKJV
For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved."
My favourite part is where he uses the Word of God to back up "his claim"
Where does it say in scripture that Mary is our intercessor?!
Where in the Bible does it say Mary is an intercessor?
Jesus is also our Prophet and Priest. ( revealed on the mount of transfiguration when Moses and Elijha appear representing the Prophet and Priest. The Father audibly says of Jesus "This is my son in who l am well, pleased. Hear Him!) It is Jesus who intercedes (as priest) for us before for the Father (in the same way Moses did) not Mary or any angel or any other. Jesus.
Yes, indeed ✝️🙌
Well if she's not a mediator I can pray directly to the Father and not to Mary. If she intercedes she can do that, I don't need to ask her to do that. I will just pray like Jesus taught us.
Hebrews calls Jesus our high priest, and says in Heb 7:25 says that he's the one who lives to make intercession for us.
If you have Jesus why would you need anybody else? Not rhetorical, I'm serious, whats the point?
I listen to Jesus
He said to pray to God Our Father
Just as the apostles prayed
TO GOD OUR FATHER
We don't worship Mary or any Saints in our Mass. We worship God, and our liturgy is centered on the birth, the dead, and the resurrection of Jesus Christ
No one goes before the father except through me (Jesus christ)
If only anyone was claiming Mary goes to the Father.
@eddardgreybeard claiming that you need mary to go to Jesus. That is not correct. God gave up Jesus so that we would go directly to Jesus so that Jesus would go to the father on our behalf. Anything more then that is wrong. That's saying I need to go to another imperfect human to go to Jesus for something he did gor all of us.... that doesn't make sense.
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We can and do go directly to Jesus. We also ask Mary to pray for us. Mary isn't going to anyone other than her son.
Maybe understand something before you critique it.
@eddardgreybeard the bible clearly says that us humans (including mary) are not affected by the affairs of the world.
Mary was used for the glory of God, like many others before and after her.
But Jesus never once said "pray to my mother, mary" he spent alot of time saying the opposite.
@@LNJuggernaut
Explain, "not affected by the affairs of the world?"
And also, "pray to Mary." Asking her to pray for us is nothing.
The miracle at canna is where it is demonstrated that Mary can intercede for u to her son Jesus like she did when her friend was humiliated for running out of wine. And save me the Jesus rebuke her nonsense since Jesus did what Mary ask him for another.
If you read the gospel of the infancy of mary you will clearly see she was no ordinary person. Its not included in the canon. Infact they felt it took away from the divinity of Jesus however, if you read it for yourself you will see it only backs up his divinity.
"In the presence of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Angels and Saints I will praise you O Lord".
We worship God alone, the Father who created us, Jesus Christ his Son who redeemed us and the Holy Spirit who Sanctifies us with Mary Queen of Heaven and earth. We offer all our prayers to our Spiritual Mother to "Mary who is full of Grace" who knows best how to use them for each member of the Mystical Body of Christ and at the hour of death will welcome our souls into her motherly arms at the hour of our death. She is Queen Mother.. Ave Maria 🙏
Blasphemy. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that prayers are offered to followers of Jesus who died.
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The earliest known use of this term of the Communion of Saints refers to the belief in a mystical bond uniting both the living and the dead in a confirmed hope and love is by Saint Nicetas of Remesiana (c. 335-414); the term has since then played a central role in formulations of the Christian creed. Belief in the communion of saints is affirmed in the Apostles' Creed.
If you reject the Communion of Saints you reject the Apostles Creed.
This has been handed down to both Catholics and Orthodox from the Apostles.
The Communion of Saints is in the Spiritual world when you lift the veil before the Throne of God all in the Old Teastement and the New Testament. As Catholics we are all part of the Mystical Body of Christ, all in Scripture. We worship God Alone, how the Spiritual world works is with prayer, worship, loving our neighbor, the Angels and Saints all part of the economy of our Salvation, Jesus is Risen and is with us in the Church, in his word, in the sacrements and each other.
God bless you 🙏
What's the point?
2 Timothy 2:6 does not allow for a second mediator.
2 Timothy 2:5 is clear, there is one Mediator then 2 Timothy 2:6 goes on to say what that one mediator did having established there is only one. It does not open the possibility for another.
This is not a comment on intercessors, but simply saying that the initial point does not work.
Legitimate question here:
Why do pray to the saints who are dead if it was a sin for Saul to speak even to the Prophet Samuel once he had died?
1 Samuel 28
Still begs the question: Why don't you pray to Jesus for Jesus directly? Why ask for Mary to intercede? Jesus intercedes for us, not mary. Romans 8:34 says that Jesus “is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us.”
Lot of this folks on the comments just believe what they want to believe.
Thank you for the videos... being catholic, they are many things I don't know. I got to learn many things from you
The Spirit of God intercedes for Christians not Mary. Romans 8:26-27 - “Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.”
Mary the mother of Jesus was a godly and blessed woman, but she was not without sin. Jesus was the only human without sin. Jesus “had no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21). “In Him is no sin” (1 John 3:5). Nothing of the sort is ever said of Mary or anyone else. Jesus Christ is fully human, but He is also fully God (John 1:1). He is the Lamb of God, “without blemish or defect” (1 Peter 1:19), a title and description no other person can claim
No other name can save us. Christ died on the cross and left us His Holy Spirit to help us with our prayers (Romans 8). Christ didn't include anything else for us to be saved by
Watch his recent video about if Mary was perserved from the original sin.
One.
it says One in there my brother in !
YES! I keep saying the same…”keep reading into verse 6.” 🤦♀️
It seems to me that praying to Mary or Saints breaks the Trinity. You pray to The Father, in The Spirit, through Christ. That is the Trinity in prayer. Praying to Mary or a Saint removes The Father.
But literally in Hebrew 7:25, it says
“Hebrews 7:25
New International Version
25 Therefore he is able to save completely[a] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.”
who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us.
- Romans 8:34
Then why pray to Mary? We are told in the Bible that we should not pray to the dead; the dead no nothing.
Dead Christians cannot hear your prayers. Pray only to The Father, Son, or Holy Spirit In Jesus Name.
Speak them facts brother 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️
Romans 8:34 “who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is He who died, yes, rather who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us” Jesus Christ is our intercession.
Here’s the thing, what are you trusting in for your salvation? Is it your baptism, Good works, church membership? Or Jesus Christ ?
The Bible teaches that we are saved by “grace through faith and not by works”(Ephesians 2:8-9).If you believe that you need to do something in order to get salvation then you are trusting in what you do. You can say it’s grace, but if you’re doing something to get saved then it is works.(Romans 11:6).
God sent Jesus to die in our place to pay for our sins (1 John 2:2). Jesus then rose from the dead to give us new life (John 11:25-26). That is what saves us. It is the Person and the Work of Jesus Christ which makes us right with God. Our sins separate us from God (Isaiah 59:1-2); therefore, they must be paid for (Hebrews 2:17)and we must be born again(John 3:3). That is what Jesus’ death and resurrection accomplishes.
The work of Christ is Imputed to us by God’s grace through faith (Roman’s 3:21-26; John 3:16). Nothing we can do can contribute in any way to our salvation. It is a free gift that is being given to us and all we can do is humbly receive it by trusting in the Person and Work of Jesus Christ.(1 Corinthians 15:1-5; Acts 16:31).
Finally, we are either trusting in Christ or we are not(John 14:6). There is no faith in Christ plus our works equals salvation. Partially trusting in works (baptism, charitable giving, other sacraments) means not trusting in Christ. If you are adding works to the gospel, then you are lost (Galatians5:4) and on your way to hell. You are believing another gospel (Galatians 1:8-9). I emplore you to repent of this false gospel and your sins and receive the free gift of salvation that is only found in Jesus and His death for our sins and His resurrection. (Romans 4:25). Remember the Pharisee and the tax collector (Luke 18:9-14).
I’m not writing this to win an argument. I’m writing this in love. I’m a beggar who was given food and I’m showing you where to get it.
The Bible only states Jesus is our only intercessor. All respect and love to Mary, but who named her intercessor?
Mary is no intercessor . Again the immaculate conception doctrine is the belief that Mary had a divine birth,which bible scripture refutes
Then keep being Sola scripture which is not in the Bible. We listened to Jesus when he told the apostles that if anyone didn't listen to them then they rejected him. He gave authority to the apostles to build the Bible and the church both infallible. Paul said hold fast to the traditions we pass on to you both oral and written.
Not the catholic traditions they were not Catholics the apostles were not popes or nuns and they did not pray to the dead Catholics are insane for claiming to be the first church of Christ when they don’t even read or understand the bible God will tell them I never knew you evil doers the part from me
It doesn't mean at all that she had a divine birth. It simply means she was born without the taint of original sin.
And before you even try to suggest others like the Orthodox reject the immaculate conception, they do only because they don't believe in inherited guilt, so there was nothing to be preserved from. They absolutely believe she never sinned.
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Is there biblical scriptural support of Mary not being tainted with original Sin? All have sinned according to scripture.
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Yes, the original Greek of Luke 1:28, kecharitomene. The only other form of this verb in the new testament is in Ephesians 1:6 when Paul discusses the grace in which we are saved
Of course, Protestants invented their own definition of grace to where it's basically an abstract concept rather than an actual thing. In pre reformation Christianity, it's a very real thing. But even in protestant soteriology, Grace through faith, she received that "unearned favor" up front for birthing the Messiah.
Gabriel acknowledged her as "graced one," what you consider "saved," but even more perfect than you can imagine.
If we know that the tabernacle and sacrificial system were but shadows of the good to come
Such as a High Priest entering into the holy of holies on behalf of the people to intercede for them
Why didnt God also ordain a woman to accompany the man OR ordain a mother of the priest to accompany him
Why is there no shadow of Mary entering behind the veil to intercede on our behalf
Spot on correct! Sometimes Mary cast's out demons on the spot during exorcisms, she hardly has to say a word, and the demons are gone pronto! Mary has power over all demons.🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Where does Mary do that in the bible? I must have missed it.
@notnull5878 You must have missed the whole story of the first bible recorded miracle of Jesus Christ... Go read again the the miracle at Cana - Book of John chapter 2. Also read the book of Luke chapter 1 from verse 26 to 58 (read more as the Holy Spirit guides you). Pay close attention to verses 28, and 41 to 44.
The Mother of God acts promptly to help and intercede for us even when we do not ask because she's our mother as well. ❤
“During an exorcism, Satan said to me through the possessed person: ‘Each Ave Maria (Hail Mary) of the rosary is a blow to my face. If Christians knew the power of the rosary, it would be the end of me.”
-Fr. Gabriele Amorth (Chief Exorcist of the Vatican 1986-2013)
@@tellthetruth6430 jesus is not god and im Christian. Mary is a Symbol of purity and is not the mother of god, who is the father in heaven. Jesus is the Messiah not god himself.
"Not everyone who says to me oh 'Lord 'Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven but only the one who does the will of MY FATHER who is in heaven." - Jesus of Nazareth
@void0350 Pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit then read and tell me what you understand from the following passages of the book of John Chapter 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Also read the book of Revelations chapter 19. He's name is The Word of God. We can also call Him King of Kings and Lod of Lords.
Then read Jeremiah 1. When you finish reading these, you may have better understanding of who Our Lord Jesus Christ is.
As a Christian should study and pray more please 🙏
mary is our mediatrix
John 17, Luke 22:32, Romans 8:34, Hebrews 7:25, and I John 2:1 all mention Christ as an intercessor on our behalf.
Are there any true references to Mary being an intercessor? Or intermediary?
I’m interested in seeing this out.
Won't type of intercession. Mary does not mediate our salvation to God. Only Jesus can mediate our salvation. Asking a saint to pray for you has nothing to do with Jesus being the only mediator of our salvation...
True, these two stand for redeeming act of Jesus, not for intercession as Protestants got them wrong badly 😮
Mary is the mediatrix!
Scripture please
@@brad-u5q “Mediatrix of all graces!” As Jesus Christ is the mediator between God man. As Mary bore Jesus that makes her a Coredemptrix.
I'm confused brother. I'm not trying to argue. But in Romans 8:26. Says the spirit intercedes for us. And Romans 8:26. It says Jesus Christ also intercedes.
I want to believe what you say brother. But when I reach the scriptures. I can't find some stuff you say. Where do you get the idea from. I just never read the bible and see what the Catholic beliefs say.
Who says we cannot pray directly to God? Carhilics pray durectly to God and Jesus we dont need to pray to Mother Mary just to reach the Father and the Son but she can pray for us just as we can pray for other people.
yeah. she is your intercessor and you give her God-like power like hearing millions of prayers at the same time. Something that is reserved to God only and can be done by God only.
That's not a God power
@@fredharvey2720no? Then what is it?
I don't think there is one verse in the bible teaching about intercession, that is praying to dead people. I would understand asking intercession to a live person..
Orthodox believe the same thing. Except that we're the true Church
1 Corinthians 1
@@FollowerofChrist12 1 Corinthians 3:11
Ephesians 2:19-20
I think we call Mary mediatrix though it does not mean the ultimate mediator like Christ.
If Mary is a perpetual virgin what does Matthew 1:25 mean?
The thief on the cross next Jesus was not a member of the catholic church, it didnt exist. But that thief was told he'd be welcomed to the kingdom of God. And if God is just, then wouldnt all who met the standard set by the theif be welcomed as well? So why the hostilities between believers in Christ?
Thank you 🙏🏼