Simple Tricks ALL SUPPORTS MUST KNOW - Pro Position 4 Tips to GAIN MMR | Dota 2 Support Guide
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In this Dota 2 support guide, coach Speeed covers some of the most crucial key concepts ALL SUPPORT players must know to win more games and gain MMR! This guide will teach you how to maximize the impact of your position 4 gameplay. Use these simple tips and tricks on Shadow Shaman or any other position 4 hero to win your lane and your games from a support role!
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"Things don't happen by chance in dota"
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These guides are my light in the eternal darkness known as the low mmr SEA server
i gained like 300 mmr in one week
I've been stuck in this pit since 2015 . I'm wondering if I should start all over again.
I'm trying my best to support because no one wants that role and I know it's every important but the carries are just trash, can't even last hit creeps.
Can relate to that...
Last game i play as Lina and do Pushing while the other farming jungle...
While this Stupid Mk player go Solo on enemy Jungle forcing the rest of the team Saving his ass...
We Died and he Blame me for pushing while he Solo and Feed...
And saying I am going Carry with Schyte of Vyse as an Item...
Yeah dude the struggle when playing in SEA. When you did a mistake they will become instant "Karens* if you know what I mean lol.
34 year old husband and father of 3 year old and 5 month old that loves Dota2! So just want you to know these videos are great for someone like me that loves the game but cant get many games in at times. Keep up the good work and thanks!
wow so wow.... recently, i've discovered the average age of dota players ranges from 16-32 years old. I can see a lot of "husbands" with their sons playing dota in net cafes. Interesting. Im gonna look into this more than ever! ♥
haha same as me 29 year old and have a baby daughter 10 month year old still playing dota after i take care of her and her mom..
Almost 36,father of 2 girls,still playing Dota 2........my nick is Retro 🙃🍺
Thanks a lot! Most of the time I played pos 4 and 3 but at times, I'm getting lost in playing pos 4. The tips really are on point. Hope this could make me a better player.
I havnt played dota for the better part of the past 18 months and this guide really helps me get back into my main position. Thank you very much sir love the video.
Congrats for the video. Nice tips, amazing explanation :)
Show this video to those who build carry when using support hero ! Thanks for the guide😄👍👍
Thank you very much sir. I'm a support player , this tips will help me improve my gameplay KEEP IT UP :)
2:42 "Next phroint ... if youR in a wheenin' lane and kohaent horass" gets me everytime XD XD XD XD
Hahaha you nailed it he really says kohaent xD
Really appreciated bro thx
That what i was looking for
Great tips Speed! I love it, I'm sure if I implement them properly my support play will skyrocket
This video rocks man. Really solid guide
Thank you for video, was awesome! I will try your tips!
Watching this, I have realized that I am still playing Dota at a noobs level. Very helpful video. It showed me that I still have so much to learn.
Thank you so much. I'm gonna try this now :D
Dont ever do the deny at tier 2 go for neutral creeps u give all 5 enemy's cash when u go to tier 2
Thanks for sharing, this is really helpful
GREAT VIDEO ! THX !
Love the supp videos. Thanks, man.
I hope that youtube will have more tutorials from beautiful dota content creators like you.
That'll help new players come and learn the game easily.
This game was good because this is minesky febby game , I love how he explained in his video also
Thanks! It helps me learn more.
This is too helpful man ty for these tips
Don't deny yourself to t2 tower unless you want to get reported btw. deny to neutrals (ancient camp is roughly the same distance and you might be able to stack it or the hard camp first) you lose a few seconds (8 second longer respawn at lvl 3) but gain a lot more in the long run if you stack and not getting lower behaviour score from reports is also nice.
Great video Speed!!! 👏👍
thanks for videos like these.
really good video man :)
I learn some tactics. Thanks to you sir
most of these are new to me thanks
thank you for this!
Liked.
More videos on supports and supporting pls.
You sound exactly like Joseph Everett from the What I've learned channel 🤔
I must say, I just dscovered Gameleap and this site is amazing. Havent subscribed yet, cause finances require better balancing during Coronavirus, but Im seriously contemplating subscribing as soon as possible. (Mostly for Dota 2)
The last part was very helpful
"please dont skip this"
Me: *skips 20sec*,now Im so evil right?
HAHAHAH ME TOO
Nope, you're just simply dumb.
50*
Kid.
Noo ur just billie eilish
Ohh i c thx for the tips. I usually play support roles.
a good tip is also to write "omg sorry" (u dont need to mean it lul) everytime anything semi bad happens
ppl somehow think its sup's fault most of the time and that just solidifies their thinking
but dont use the same phrasing too often or they think u r mocking them #chatmindgames
Tip 7 right here
Yo Sherlock
Except the vast majority of the time, it is the supports fault in the early stages of the game.
Everytime I open youtube this video pops up for me to watch!
I have made some realizations right now.! Thanks for the video 😅😅😅 #supportislife haha
5:35 Why is it good if the creep wave doubles or goes to the enemy safe lane tower?
If the the enemy creeps are under enemies' tower, you are hardly controlling the wave in offlane. You and your offlane cannot safely secure last hit, more so if the enemy team pick is stronger than yours. "But the next wave would push your creeps back because they were under their tower, right?" No, because their support would just pull their creeps and also denying your exp. Dragging their creeps doesn't deny your exp because all of the creeps you dragged would be intact after getting back to the lane, and that double wave of enemies' creeps would push your lane comfortably.
So informative
really useful tips
THAT REALLY HELPED BUT IN A NORMAL MATCH WITH LOW MMR I DIDN'T THINK SO!
I play pos4. would it be possible to sometime have a game with you so you can see if I get it right
Hi, Speed! GameLeap helped me a lot now I play more decent than before. But my problem now is having bad teammates. I don't know if I will play carry or support. When I play carry, supports in my tier doesn't know how to create space. Whenever I'm support, they waste the space I'm creating. Help!
I wonder what you’re meant to do as the Oracle in that game and been zoned out. Can’t pull or stack side camps, and stuck in a kill lane. How do you bring yourself back into the game? It seems bad to leave your safe lane carry to go elsewhere.
nice tips I always play Position 4 or 5.. just sad to be in sea server LOL everyone wants to be carry 😩😩😩
can you give some hero taips for rank up in divine 3 rank?
Get flamed after denying myself to tier 2 tower. :(
same Buddy :(
They don't know the pro plays. Pub players often wants to KILL, not WIN
I dont understand why this helps?
@@AfromanJ
These are TIPS.
If it so happened that you can't see what is this for, it's either you are better than the one who's talking, or you don't know how to play the game. That's all it is.
even denying ur tier 3 is alright if u are sure it will be destroyed by another creep wave... players create a static trends, not creative one, that's why they always deciding meta based on popularity on pro play only.
Man your videos are so fucking good...like they really really help
1. Use mana and skills to secure creeps and harass
2. If you can't harass as creeps are under enemy tower, side pull. Dont side pull if creeps are near your tower/middle
3. If running out of resources, deny yourself to tier 2 tower
4. Even lane? make sure enemy can't pull
5. If theres an unplayable lane, drag the wave
I love Pos 4 the only role I don't get bored playing.
same i think its because of the different actions pos 4 experience
If you're a boring pos 4 playing pod 5 in offlane not going for kills then it's just another pos 5 game. Pos 2 and 4 my favorite roles i just like fighting and killing in general.
Pos 4 is fun also deals good impact as u place a good ulti in the game
My best pos 4 plays are when enemies focus me before the carry player as a rubick or hero that gas a 5 men ulti
Also as a mid player also fun position to play
well yeah playing at Pos 4-5 are only Expanding Brain lol
Nice 👌
Another tips have learned. Thanks dude . Most of my pos 4 was played as pudge 👊
3:33 or i think its better to deny yourself in roshan because if you deny yourself in their tower they will still get gold
2:37 is dat a courier a lil tinker courier instead of monkey king =)))
11:23
nevur good xD
so this is what i question right from the start, so the support must get the enemy range creep? should we give the range creep to our carry / offlaner or we (support) take it?
Michael Sujadi thinking the same thing as well "secure the range creep" I thought securing it for the offlane; but shaman keeps zapping it haha
it depends in the situation if ur carry cs all the melee creeps and you can take
Thabk youu
This guy is hilarios:)) step 1 use mana kill creeps, step 2 gj
4:10 i want to ask one thing, if a hero deny himself into enemy tower. It written 1xx gold each to enemy side, do they really get the gold or not? Or just the enemy hero near that tower who get the gold?
It is told in other video, according to what was said, all hero get the gold divided, if 120 gold is shown each Hero get 120/5 = 24 gold each so it isn't much
Well isnt it much better to deny into jungle creep then?
The respawn time is longer if you deny by the neutrals.
6:30 nice passive ES, who needs a boulder smash on bat that runs over your safe laner?! better pos 1 to die rather pos 4 :D
PlEASE explain wat are the different pos. Please enlighten me
Pos 1-hard carry
Pos2- mid lane
Pos 3-offlane(heroes who usually build tanky items)
Pos 4- roaming support(heroes who gank and get utility items)
Pos 5- hard support(provides vision and helps pos4 in ganking, also babysit carries)
Sorry but still got confused.. so which one is better, go deny myself by going to enemy's tower, or go back home by walking ang tp back?
can someone please help explain this:
He mentioned use spells to secure CS. Is he talking about taking the CS for yourself or zoning the enemy to stop them denying? I feel like my carry would be mad at me if i took any cs
Taking the cs cause it'll be useless if the enemy deny it (better for you to take the gold and get the exp).
The main reason you're securing the cs is because your carry can't take it. That's why he used the word "secure".
@@radenchandrachairino8947 cool thats what i thought, i tend to find myself getting pinged regardless of whether my carry would get CS that why i wanted to double check
More learn to come up🙂
My dude Febby as an example .........Feelsgoodman
watch chinese dota you can learn a lot from them
Can someone clarify the following parts?
You're losing the contest in the lane.
Even contest.
Your ally doesn't want you to lane with him.
Sorry I'm a beginner.
Speeeeed!
Kerk Palang KERKKKKK
could you make the same video for pos 5? thx
always stick to ur pos 4 and dont go i front line always buy tp
Everybody:
Speeed: this is imporden
perfect♥️😍👍💪
Love u 3000 got first blood
the most important rule to play a good support role, its okay to die/feed if it meant to create space for your cores. if you play with people blame you for the number of deaths youve been having, leave them. good cores appreciate whatever good supports play out.
the problem persist because the core blame us for dying
you can prevent dying of you have map awareness and right wards placement
i do this everytime and it work for me i am now Div 2 ☺ i play Bara, Distrup Pudge pos 4 but i always Play Pudgeeee Because is Op Tanker Thats the way to gain my MMR that Hero Pudge:)) 💞
7:30, I want to know how to move when you're Rooted!
-=Hanzor=- replay bug
I usually eat Pos 4 and Pos 5 roles in SEA... I do the harassing and denying creeps as well as securing kills and saving allies
but I did not know about how creep waves work and why they call "pull" in early games... thanks for the tip
its like luring the neutrals at ur creeps so you can gain gold and denie a creeps hehe
if u are a pos 4 or pos 5 dont waste ur tp if you can walk or just let the neutral kills you. use it to help ur cores and i think magic stick is the most important item in early laning phase
let me just say that you're the fucking man and i really appreciate everything you have to say. i promise i don't say that to everyone.
"Things just do not happen by chance".... PA - "are you freaking kidding me mate?"
Every single crit or chance based ability in dota is pseudo random meaning you can count and kind of control them. Sb bash was the only true random(it is why you felt like he could get million fucking bashes in a row) thing in dota but it was changed
bs
so as pos 4 i should try to last hit my creeps with my spells and steal farm from core pos 3 ?
No, you should make sure that no cs is missed by your lane. For example, if you're a Shaman Centaur lane, Centaur won't reach the ranged creep if he aggros to deny your ranged, so you secure it yourself.
Only the creeps that your ally will not reach.
If it will get denied yes
Legend Brain Activated
dumb move man you can gain gold by stacking and poolin creeps
Ohh thanks, but im playing as pos 6
What's the benefit of denying to the T2 vs denying to creeps assuming you're somewhat low and it won't take way longer for the creeps to kill you? Isn't it better to give the enemy no gold or XP rather than the split gold from killing you?
It is stupid to "deny" yourself to the T2 tower, since the whole enemy team still benefits from that. If you saw a reason to deny yourself then you should do so by dying to neutral creeps.
Hi there! Most of the time I play POS 5, I spend all of my gold on wards, protecting my carry and giving them salve most of the time. I'm ending up having close to nothing items on my own and having a hard time catching up with the enemies specifically on items. Is that okay or what? Any advice?
Its okay as long as u can thrashtalk well.
its okay its an investment jut make sure that you arw there shen there's a team fight bounty runes will help you too
That's a reason pulling is so important, you get money and xp for yourself, deny the enemy money and xp, and are letting your carry get solo xp. Learning to take a moment to farm while warding or waiting to push a tower will double your impact, and is why I love supports that can farm easy neutrals early.
I want to do your deny tips, but how to make my team believe that it was a good way?
tell them the gold is divided by 5 and they only get 20 gold each
There are times when i'm pos 4 yet the cores really suck. That My Supp Can Kill more enemy heroes than the cores..
pls sahre tips for pos 5, im pos 5 player
Why deny at the tier 2 tower? Cant we deny at neutral creep?
the respawn time differs like 10 seconds or more
When i play shaman i dont unlock afteshock, i only max my disable because i feel like its way more useful
It's really nice to have a burst avaible though. Most of the time 1 more second of stun won't let your team finish off a kill, unlike 100 more burst damage + a right click on top of a shorter stun.
Even you have a good carry, you still can't kill because lvl 1 Shackles only has 1.25 duration.
tell me plz how i can see the ally healthbars all the time without pushing alt ???
Αddic7ed Tube go into your settings
@@educationaleel4446 i dont want to put alt toggle cause it makes minimap heroes icons i want coulour
Deny myself in legend rank?
Good luck in low prio... :/
you have to try East Server in Herald Tier you will exhausted before did the right thing
I know everything for support but
in 5:07 really helpful, Thank dude
I don't know that one
"i know everything but"
"i dont know that one"
LOGIC. Then you dont know everything LOL
Why deny on 2nd tower instead of neutrals ?
deny to neutrals increase ur death time by +-12sc
@@kaciw you dont need to tp back at ur base. tp cost 50 and ur death will give them 20 gold ;)
Speed, team liquid needs you.
May I have what is the match ID of this game?
Hi, really great and understandable video on support, but what is the shaman combo?
8 months ago i was here as an ancient pos 4 now im a pos 1 guardian
damn man,.. playing support is the hardest thing evar . its just like business , ur doing investment for you carries .. but if they somehow flunked it .. fuck .. u go crazy man.
Im here because I think support is my calling and I need to better at it
Goodluck buddy! When your cores are awful don't tilt and just push waves.