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100% agree with Marcel
There was a point where Ten Hag was literally begging them to stay compact and we were 2-0 up. They still couldnât do it.
Players took instructions from Ralf and applied them for 30 minutes, then gave up.
FFS, they stopped taking instructions from Ole when they were in full out counter attack mode.
I'm shocked Erik ten Hag hasn't lost his shit yet.
A good coach would bench them for not listening..it's been happening all season. N he keeps picking the same ones not listeningđđđ n expect results
@@harrisonopare4851 You think the Glazers are in the background wanting their golden child to play no matter what?
@@wilseph1 so hes afraid to Play who he wants to play?so if a player is not listening to instruction u keep playing them?
@@harrisonopare4851 Wouldn't be at all shocked at a games played clause.
At this point even ETH would tell Marcel to not have much faith in him đ đ
Marcel deffo needs to put some of the blame on ETH.. but i see why he put today on the player if he was speaking in isolation.
Those players should be embarrassed, ETH should of been able to sub absolutely any player on at 3-0 up and think they can see out the last 20mins against a championship team in 8th.
I feel today ETH learned even against such low level opposition alot of these players cannot be trusted.
Id be embarrassed to call myself a premier league player after that last 20minutes.
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Marcel is like one of the violin players on the titanic
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Nah, Man's just seeing this group of players for what they are rather than just blaming the manager ...yet again!
Again, Marcel is spot on. Donât see how anyone could have an appetite for a new manager before we clear out about 85% of this squad first the cycles just gonna keep repeating itself
because the new manager needs a say about which players to bring in after clearing out đ
not rocket science
both things need to happen⊠its not an either/or situation
Remember when the vast majority of ppl were saying players must go before the manager no matter what? Barely lasted a year.
@@compostsmurf5519 ronaldo pogba henderson bailly mata matic tuanzebe VDB fred cavani sancho david de gea jones lingard telles elanga
thats 16 players not including garner and iqbal that left before the manager⊠(that is a majority)
of the players that stayed: Maguire has been good this season
Mctominay is on of the top scorers
Luke Sahw is first choice LB even though ETH signed two LB in 2 years
Rashford was given a contract under ETH
Bruno was made captain by ETH
Aston Villa were shit under Gerrard
They sacked him
Recruited a top manager who turned the club around
So was it the players or the Manager?
Basic fucking shit.
@@BravoBravo88 Gerrard is an awful, awful manager, villa recruit smarter than us in terms of player profile- brought in a manager who plays good football suited to the player profile so it worked out. We have players suited to Oleâs style, we have a manager who plays good football when given a team with the right principles; therefor we should look at our playing squad before anything else.
Spot on, Marcel! This team needs people with more technical skill and better vision and most important a solid backbone.
Marcel you talk on lack of strikers but it was ETH's decision to spend 60M on worthless Mount who wasn't needed and who the majority said would flop - lo & behold.
We all said he would be a worse version of Bruno not he would be injured the entire season. Because Bruno does need someone to rotate with
It all comes down to Rashford and Martial failing again. If they combined scored 30 goals, United are in the top 4 even with all the other problems with Antony and then Sancho leaving who would contribute another 10ish goals
Ten Hag bought a striker in Rasmus and thought he could/was told he had to try and get a tune from Martial. Strawman malarkey trying to bring Mount into this. Hindsight is 20/20, and we couldnât have predicted injuries.
@@punctualwizard Nope Rasmus needed an experienced striker to learn from and United needed a proven goalscorer and instead spent 60M on a player that wasn't needed, no1 could get a tune from Martial cos he's a lazy injury prone failed footballer so yes 99% of the fanbase could predict that Martial would miss the majority of the same once again and leave us with the 6th worst GS stats in the league.
This is why Ineos are sorting back of house first.
Mount injuried
3-0 winning against a championship team, second half manger takes off his two best players due to game on Wednesday (already have unreal injuries) and puts on two INTERNATIONAL players. This is NOT on Ten Hag. If anything heâs taken us to yet again another FAcup final. But the PLAYERS. Only thing I can put on Ten Hag is stop backing Rashford. He needs to be benched. A season to forget for him. At the ground fans were showing frustration at Rashford quite early in the second half. Amad for Rashy should have happened before the Garna change. The players embarrassed the club, the fans and the manager. Weâve changed managers every two years. Letâs keep this one and move some players.
Its both to the manager & the players! A coach need to keep this team sharp. A team like this should NOT give a 3 - 0 lead away, unacceptable, especially for a club like United against (with all do respect) a lower class Coventry! Sack the Manager & his staff, Sack the players, Sack the Medical Staff!
I agreed with everything Marcel said in this
Marcel is absolutely bang on in this specific reaction about the players letting us down today and not the manager
2 kids come off and 2 professional international football players come on and they let 3goals in. These players need to Go.
Isn't Marcel the same person who said ETH will surpass SAF's legacy at united
The drugs he takes are real
He deserves all this pain for that bullshit
Compare his first 2 seasons 2 Fergieâs first 2 not his whole career
Fergie had a horrible start to his career at united
@@AJ-ry8qd Fergie was a certified winner before United. Donât compare him to this bald fraud
Iâve never seen this much emotion from Marcel before lol
Marcel play a character like charleston white this all content haha
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Marcel is absolutely correct here. It's all on the players.
Marcel is the man, this guy speaks so much bloody sense i love listening to him. Get rid of these over paid over privileged players and stick to the process with ETH. These players can't win again and get another manager sacked.
Marcel said ten Hag got them into a position to be 3-0 upđđđ
But then itâs all on the players when they capitulate, how does that make sense?
The setup needed to score goals was Ten Hag. Never scored corners for 10 years. Boom, Bruno on Maguire. Never scored pull backs for ten years. BOOM, Dalot on Scotty.
Then they fail to defend one counter attack with a great goal. Not the end of the world. Then a fluke. And then a pen that shouldnât be unless we get a pen as well. Honestly, itâs not even on the players. But itâs DEFFO NOT ON ERIK. Man always takes of Kobbie because heâs 18 and too important. Man took off Garna BECAUSE WE ALL SAW AND EVEN CALCULATED THAT HE HAS PLAYED TOO MANY GAMES. But now itâs all on ten Hag? Do me a favor. Marcel is one of the few real ones left of you ask me. đ«Ą No disrespect, but this bit of the rebuild requires some SERIOUS spine and I urge you to find it.
How is it that ten hag made them lose the lead after going up big? So credit for 3 goals but all the blame for losing it ? No credit for the 3 goals and all blame for almost losing ? The players give up to much.
Ty with cainrows
@@MikeyDaRed itâs on both the players and the manager, weâre talking about 8th in the championship here, my little sister couldâve coached a win, I donât believe ETH is coaching this side at all so I give the players all the credit do the goals scored an all the abuse for the goal conceded
@@NextChapterRapper donât forget that this is Coventry lol he didnât coach anything, you need to see replicable goals as a sign of coaching. The players both won and lost the match today, the manager isnât doing ANYTHING
Totally agree with Marcel. How these players almost lose a match against the championship. Keep the ETH and sell these players
The first 70â mins, that was the managers power, the remaining minutes was up to the players to see it out. But they were not football players they were just a group of people trying to play football
Lets be honest, the players are just as much to blame if not more than ETH. How are you 3-0 up with half an hour to go,the manager takes of junior/teenage players and brings on experienced players who are international's as well for their country,and our overall game play is worse. Howwww? It is an absolute disgrace what some of these players are doing. We have a big must win game on Wednesday in the league,any logical manager would have taken off his better players to rest them for the big game with the thought that the game had already been won,or at least hoped that the "fringe" players,who like i mentioned,are still international's for their countries, would see the game out against a mid table lower division team with half an hour to go.
The players are SHITE! Literally terrible players when will the fans accept this rather than blaming the fucking manager
I donât see how ETH get the blame đ€ŠđŸââïžđ€ŠđŸââïžđ€ŠđŸââïž, imagine taking off a youth player for a senior and you get a drop off!! If the manager canât make a sub for a bench player they donât need to be at the club at all!!! I donât see 5 percent of senior I would keep for next season!!! Changing a manager would be a nightmare right now
Finally someone with sense 3nill up no one is praising the manager 3-3 everyone blames the manager the players needs to take responsibility
Canât blame him for everything
Cmon 3nill up 75mins gone against a championship team for the final of the fa cup against your rivals revenge from last season? You donât need coaching for that the players are an embarrassment not saying the manager canât talk some blame but broooooo
I mean how can you blame the manager when 3 -0 up players almost throw away the game
Everything he said is spot on. In a world full of people that donât know what theyâre talking about, Marcel is speaking what should be common sense.
Most of these players need to go before the manager
Most managers worth their salt would fail with this lot
To anyone who thinks a manager can just wave a wand and sub par players suddenly become good, you need to check in yourself with a psychiatrist. All our players have is a big mouth. They've shown that for years and somehow people blame the manager and expects there's another magician out there who can make stupid players have sense. Wake up fools.
8:28 Can someone please ask Marcel what is this front forward style he's preaching đđđ
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Love this from Marcel
Marcel Iâm afraid the 3-0 was flattering. The coach rewards the same players with starts
Who should have started?
@@innihbassey6369they all forget we have a game Wednesday
@@innihbassey6369 Amad n Antony over Rashford n rasmus come on man ray charles can see this
When you have slow Maguire and Casemiro at CB out of position AWB at LB and your hoping Scott McTomminay can try control the midfield all them starting lineup changes your talking about ain't making no where near as much of a difference as you think.
Also apparently Erickson has been unhappy with the amount of game time he's had but then comes on 3-0 up againt an 8th place Championship team and looks like he wouldn't even start for Coventry đ€§đ€§
@@KingBarse Iâm not looking at just this game in isolation. He has run some of these players into the ground and injuries as a result then we are threadbare not to mention playing Rashford. Itâs like playing with 10 men
you know ETH is done when even Marcel is struggling to defend him
I didnât hear Marcel struggling to defend him, he made solid points as he always does. You canât coach players who are simply not good enough đ€·đŸââïž
@@ZMO2015 you canât coach player who are not good enough but they all are the best in international Some of them also have 5 champions league , they are all timer but clearly Coventry a championship team have batter player than us , Lutton town also have better player than us
Except he wasn't struggling. This is the ONE game where it's actually easy to cut ETH some slack as it was quite evident what happend today was down to the players.
well said flex... "we're not drilled". which is ten hags fault, and it's been two season now. the 'coaching' has been appalling
You cant drill into a hollow wall
Remember, this is the lot who refused to train later having to drive home in the dark.
Being drilled in training? Forget about it. This lot is useless. What the hell is ten Hag to do?
Wake up and listen to what Marcel is saying. You can't drill anything into THESE PLAYERS. Fans need to understand what's going on
These players are uncoachable. Not ETH's fault. What can he do when TRASHFORD strolls around the pitch like its his garden? Countless examples over this season of how shit these lots have been.
Nah.. time and time again ten hag has been saying it when these players have been bottling it that we needed to stick to the game plan. Time and time again he said its about taking responsibilities in those positional moments. This prayers are supposed to be at the top professionals world football they are paid money that you will never handle in your whole life for it.and they have been learning football from very young age and your telling me ten hag should be teaching them how to challenge for a ball. Don't have me start talking on passing the ball they lose the ball needlessly. They fail to see a pass in front of them. At this level no manager should be dealing with that. That's what they teach at the academy. If they can't do basics things of football that they have been learn all their lives I doubt to see how they keep tactics in their head. Another manager comes it will be the same in their 2nd season we will not see the pattern of play which by the way in the first half of this game you could see the structures the manager had set which they then just crumbled and I didnt see any instruction given from ten hag that they should abandon the stractured he had set.
So what Warcel is saying is Ole Jose Ralph trained the players to defend so bad but Eric train them to attack so well đ»đ»đ»đ»đ»đ»đ»
That's what you took from that.. đ€đ
@@Cee_H Weird take, for sure.
Marcel def got the best football brain of all of UV
Marcel makes sense, all of us united fans r just upset how can we be leading 70th minutes and come to this and then we blame the manager? Come on guys
We want to Cash in on Greenwood, Sancho, Mount, Bruno, VDB, Maguire, Lindelof, William, Malacia, Pellistri & Antony etc.. ASAP & recruit at least 6+ players this summer e.g. 2CB, 2CM, RW & ST!
Then we can seriously challenge for league & Europa league Next season!
Keep it in the family!
You are defending trashford again he is the biggest problem in that dressing room
Yes can't blame Ten hag but the whole team and the coach team.
So zero accountability? You must be kidding.
And you wonder why ole never change his starting eleven đ . People complain about him running players into the the ground
Honestly I couldn't have said it better
Managers are responsible for players, obviously. Responsibility and blame are 2 different things, if the performances are awful the manager is the only person with the power to change it.
And how do you know ten Hag actually has the power to bench certain players?
We all seen these same players down tools for Ragnick, ole and Jose...
You're buzzing đ
4:20 Correct Flex, remind them, we played 8th in the Championship, don't let them change your mind ... I'm waiting for The Full View đđ
Joshua Zirkzee is a Man Utd type of forward for the long-term to challenge Hojlund for the No.9 shirt & a suitable replacement for Anthony Martial so he's coming to our Club in the summer. We don't want Kane or Toney or Sesko or any Chelsea & Liverpool rejects cos we're not a charity but one of the best Club in the world who have standards to maintain!
Keep it in the family!
Heâs absolutely spot on!
Itâs definitely not the managerâs fault. The players are useless!
We only need Onana, Mainoo, Garnacho, Amad and Hoejlund. Dalot squad player! Forson a future talent.
Everyone else on that pitch against Coventry should be sold or loan.
Bruno ? Motm again 23 goal contributions, without him weâd be bottom 4-5
@@thevooghtinater3250 And Bruno obviously.
I forgot about him.
Oh I forgot the butcher đłand mount hasnât really had a run at it yet so the jury is still out on him as far as Iâm concerned đ
Marcel is the ty of our united fan base
3-1-6 is not a practical system. You simply cannot prop that system.
Heâs speaking absolute facts, getting rid of ETH we will just continue the cycle, all the years you can see the players are the problem
The fact that fans _like Flex_ still believe that there is a problem in training/coaching rather than *implementation on the pitch,* then this situation is much deserved.
And to say, _tune out of some of the players,_ shows the utter lack of basic understanding of the game. If the forward players aren't making runs into spaces and pockets, even a stellar playmaker like Pirlo, would be made to look bad. It is a *team game,* where all the cogs have to play their parts. No wonder, brief moments of individual brilliance and fortune is keeping the club at 7th in the PL.
Flex said floor is yours because he knew he would hear waffling đ€Łđ€Ł
Gives man an award he's talking straight facts đđœđđœđđœđđœđđœđđœđđœđđœđđœ
We played 4 in the back. It was not a 3-5-2 or 3-1-6 .. Marcel took something and seeing crazy
You just outed yourself, you don't know what you're talking about đđđ
@@Cee_H casemerio was playing center back... not sure what game you was watching.
We were 3 nil up we had league games we had to play plus, they are our best players we need them for the next game. With 3 goals up I would think that someone w/ a brain & logic would understand the importance of protecting them also we have experienced players on the pitch.
Bang on again Marcel again the players are the problem anyone can see, this manager needs to outlast these rejects
1:13 Can't blame EtH,
EtH made changes to the game that changed the game đ
3-0 up against a Championship side; the players coming on are seasoned players. They are expected to be able to manage such a situation.
@@saqibakbar2026 And was ETH not on the sideline to tinker with tins and shout instructions?
We were 3-0 up and subbed on experienced international players for teenagers that shouldn't make us capitulate like that
@@saqibakbar2026 the players that came on were the correct decision however the wrong players went off, control a game you don't leave Mctominay on the field, the whole world knows that
@@AJ-ry8qd experience players yes, but there's still inexperience on the field Mctominay doesn't know how to control a game yet he's in our engine room, what is EtH smoking
You can hear it in Marcel's voice, he doesn't believe what he's saying anymore, but pride is a deadly sin. He's broken. But credit to him, he's Ned Stark.
Good job flex, you asked the real right questions to marcel.
Marcel is right and a real one. Ten Hag IN!!! 'fans' wanting him out are just as much an embarrassment as some of the 'players'.
Marcel is the man, for how long are we going to continue to put it on the managers?
This guy is đŻ spot on itâs all on the players Ten hag doesnât send them on to over hit passes give the ball away jog back when we are broke on . I canât believe we are all forgetting whatâs happened to passed with these players they need to go we have players that canât adapt to the modern game everyone over the age of 21 needs to go
agree with Marcel flex doesn't see what the players r doing we was 3 nil up so ten hag went on pitch and said give the coveventry 3 goals always agree with Marcel he knows his football
I fully agree with Marcel these players are not confident in themselves
My question is if we was doing well, top 4 and competing would we be saying ETH is a good manager if so then what is he whilst we are where we are ?
Coventry had their first shot on target in the 70th min you know mad
I agree with MarcelâŠ.We canât let the players win. Ten Hag stays no matter what
Its not the manager, its the players. Can flex honestly say Man City under Pep would have signed an aging Casemiro, Eriksen to come in and help win the EPL? Can Mctominay start in any midfield position in Liverpool? Lets not even talk about our defenders, can we honestly say if we put Rashford up for sale Bayern, Real Madrid, Man City will be fighting for him? We keep blaming the managers but imo the reality is we have average and below average players who are hyped by media and agents and money that gives us fans unrealistic expectations. I see it as it is, we are an average team at bestđ
We arenât asking these players to be the things you say they need to be. Weâre asking ETH to coach 25 professional footballers to an acceptable standard. This isnât close to acceptable. Stop exaggerating what is required of ETH, he just needs to get the best out of what he has, which he obviously isnât doing.
Thank you
Who's we? So it's justified for the same players to finish 3rd last season and probably 7th or worse this season? To bottle points and wins from several winning positions this season? For not trying? Okay, let's change yet another manager then! But God forgive you when these players perform the exact same yet again
Marcel mate 3 quickfire questions ive asked everyone tonight, can you please explain to us all 1. Why at 3-0 up he takes Garnacho off and leaves Rashford on?
2. At 3-1. He takes off the youthful calm operator in Mainoo and replaces him with an old man who's got a dodgy heart?
3.Why did he start Rashford against a team who sit back with 5 defenders? ???? How does Ten Hag not know by now like we all do that Rashford cant play well against a low block, he is all about running in behind. He needs space to attack otherwise he's easily cut out of the game..
Thanks in advance, dont get me wrong those players are a bunch of bluffers but so is the manager, have some standards.
Love this. Thanks guys
Marcel be making points no matter how much y'all think he crazy đ€·đŸââïž
Even Marcel is finding it hard to fully back the manager even if heâs backing him.
Yes itâs the players. Most are not good enough. Lack of urgency and commitment.
bang on Marcel, i just don't understand our thick fans who just don't get the problem
Best summary of the game Iâve seen.
Ten Hag In!! 100%
I thought we wasnât good because of DDG and not being able to retain the ball.
I thought being out of Europe would enable us more time on the training ground and the manager to implement his system.
I donât scream ETH out but he doesnât do much to enable me to defend him. The only identity we have is that weâre easy to play against and from Matchday 1, the manager hasnât resolved this.
ETH hasnât created all the problems heâs encountered at United but itâs his job to fix them.
It was and still is true about DDG
However United replaced 20% of the back 5 to improve it, then lost 60% of it due to injuries and regressed.
Gained 1 player but lost 3, then Lindelof and Malacia are also injured, so another 2 of the backups also injured.
Improved in 1 position and lost 5 players
@@imo098765 A squad full of internationals should surely be enough to beat an 8th place Championship side, or am I wrong?
Great analysis this guy was spot on about everyone.
Cocaine is a helluva drug đ€Șđ€Ș
Credit for not blaming the manager.
How are players âwell drilledâ when they spend more time on the injury list?
RASHFORD WAS THE WORSE PLAYER ON THE PITCH
Never seen MarceL so angry lol. He's right though. Most % of fault on the players and some % on Ten Hag. Ralf Rangnick was right all along. We should have sold Rashford when he peaked last season and was on demand, same for McTominay. Should never have got the wasteman Antony. We should also start looking for Replacements in the back 4 and Onana should never have been brought to united... Concedes too many goals.
Again I repeat;
ETH does not make United look bad, rather it is the club and team that makes him look bad.
This is on the subs mainly. The subs he made are not noobs, they being paid as professional.
But not taking off Rashford, its on ETH.
Marcel spitting facts. Donât know why I ever doubted him.
The pattern Flex mentions also go beyond ETH's managerial term. Do not limit your scope to the season alone because it keeps repeating.
I love Marcel's conviction.. and to a degree I agree with him, even though it's a little too gone now, I think they'll sack him anyway.
These lot just can't do it.. đ
Atleast give the man a proper football structure, get these rotten lot out, get him some players who can actually play ball and follow instructions and then if he can't do it after that, get him out.
But doing what we've been doing for the past 10 years will not clear this mess.
Firing another manager after things get tough and these criminal lot chicken out and can't handle the pressure just doesn't look right. They want to throw another manager under the bus these rotten lot !
These players don't deserve another manager who'll again give them another chance.. they DON'T.. they DON'T !!
And then in 2 years we'll back here again with the same lot baying for another manager's blood.. Noo!!
Sack these NO BACK BONE, CRIMINAL LOT, back and give the manager time !!
That has to be the most animated I've ever seen Marcel. Utd have finally broken him...
Well done đđŸ
marcel finally cooking some points
He is right about Ten Hag's ego. I said it when he took over, that he didnt want Ralph to influence his decision making. He will learn the hard way
Marcel spitting purre facts.. its on the players
Marcel talking senseđđœ
Marcel is 100% correct well said
Facts i dont blame the managers no more this is on the players amd when we start treating it like that players wont slack because they will know they will go bedore the manager ever does
Give this man an Oscar⊠or some intense rehab therapy.
Fucking facks this man talking...definitely the best annalise ever đŻđđœ
My guy Marcel is on point! We all though ETH first season would mean we wouldn't need open heart surgery. It's very clear that this guy needs to rip up the team, sporting director in place and just waiting for Ashworth. ETH Must stay, no other manager will do better with this squad. The structure needs to be right so ETH can be a successful. We all knew he would need time when he was appointed, so stick with it!!
Rash on 350k is criminal.. no club would match them wages. We stuck with him lads
Marcel is right . Monday quaterbackers are a dime a dozens !
'humans on the football pitch'
It's that bad we can't even call them players..
Never seen Marcel riled up and we won
9:17 .... I Fully Agree Again!!
If this manager is sacked before 60% of these players.......Then we are doomed for another 3 years
Fully with you Marcel, these players aren't implementing what is being done on the training field. Last year and this year in glimpses we've seen it. Honestly I believe these players are sabotaging the game plan a doing it half heartedly. That will explain why when certain individuals go off, we become a joke of a team. The hole in the midfield is the CB. I wanted this to happen. Force your style on them and we'll see exactly who's able to play for this club. Theses players want to earn Galactico money but want to play Leicester football. DON'T FORGET ABOUT LAST SEASONS SUCCESS! â€
Well fuckin said Marcelđ„