Are miracles scientifically provable? | John Lennox at SMU
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@@Stella77_7
Please read :
1 Timothy 3:16
John 1:1&14 (verse 14 is continuation of verse 1)
John 12:45
This gentleman needs to pay attention to the speaker.
The laws of nature are for us, not for their Creator.
I've never heard the "creator" say that him/her/it self.
@@brud1729 Is he required to tell us? No. He is the Creator. Thankfully he is gracious and has spoken. He who has ears, let him hear.
@@sierragrey7910 My point is that you've been told this and that about Jesus and the miracles and such by people who themselves didn't witness the event. Still,
Well said
@@brud1729 but you've not seen miracles that's why you don't believe
What greater miracle is one who engineered the
Initial basic process for thinking
ancient people thought comets were miracles, that a sick person recovering was a miracle, that rainbows and eclipses were miracles, and so on..
I cant even imagine the math and calculations that went behind GOD'S Miracles so they can take place. Forever glory to GOD THE FATHER, JESUS CHRIST and the Hard Worker that is The HOLY SPIRIT forever and ever and ever!!!
really? god is bound to the natural world?
The God who created the laws of nature is surely capable of suspending them.
He sure doesn't do so very often. So you have to wonder if one there is even a God, then if there is one, is it all powerful and all loving and all knowing. I think if God is real, it lacks on those three things. This miracles are very rare.
I agree.
@@madelynhernandez7453 That's what you think, but just because you don't see them doesn't mean others don't.
@@B.A.B.G. so that goes for Hindus, Wicca, Voodoo, etc. They see things you don’t
@@reality1958 If you so want sure. I didn't think of them necessarily in the first place though. I know many people personally who experienced miracles, some were Muslims, but it wasn't their god, who did the miracle for them. Just two days ago I met Muslim lady who received healing from a toothache without any use meds some 5 years ago. I remember telling her it was a Friday afternoon, that her toothache would be gone by 2 PM the next day. She came to take out the trash from the offices the next Monday at 5 PM. I waited up for her and asked her how she was doing, she said fine, then I asked specifically about the toothache. Her answer? It was gone the next day, a few minutes before 2 PM. And I have more stories like those out of my own life, and others.
Joshua 10:12-14
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On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon."
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So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on [2] its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day.
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There has never been a day like it before or since, a day when the LORD listened to a man. Surely the LORD was fighting for Israel!
If you believe that biblical story, watch out for the guys in white suits with the butterfly nets.
@@brud1729 how about this story. COVID vax prevent COVID infections.
Received a miracle myself.. they are real
I wish !
No
@@anttuspel you aren't God so how do you know such things don't occur?
@@norrispulliam7810 how do you know that I'm not god?
@@anttuspel God would not feel the need to respond to a comment on youtube God would have infinitely better things to do
Miracles of the bible are actually miraculous, big difference, a mystery to humankind but not in the reality of god.
lol lol come on grow up.
Where are the miracles today in the age of cameras?
Miracles hate cameras! Put the blame on the inventor of photography.
You would call any miracle "luck".
Just like a human hand reached in and took the money, a human hand reached in and removed the body of Jesus. Thanks for clearing up that possibility, John.
I think you kind of missed the point. The idea is that God created the entire universe, so it's not as though it's impossible for him to affect nature in a way that is unconventional (i.e. a miracle). Of course since you're an atheist you claim that God isn't real to begin with, but maybe you can see that telling a Christian that "the laws of nature" contradict God isn't so clever. Keep in mind that humans are so limited in their understanding and perception and the universe is so vast and mostly unknowable; it's absurd to suggest that humans KNOW nature. The analogy Lennox made suggests that if you ONLY reason about where the money went using arithmetic, you'll come to the wrong conclusion because you have an incomplete model of "how things work" per se. Similarly, it's misguided to suggest that humans know the laws of nature to their fullest extent -- so who is any man to say that miracles CANNOT happen?
@@jh1videos130 A miracle, by definition, is an event that occurs contrary to natural laws. Most atheists, myself included, will not claim that miracles cannot happen, we simply point out that the laws of nature have never been documented to have ever been broken.
That's literally what the Pharisees said to the Roman authorities so they can avoid being embarrassed - until the man in question began appearing to people saying he's risen from the dead just as he said he would.
@@silenthero2795 Cool story.
@@bibleburner8426 The coolest of them all.
I believe in the crucifixion, and in the resurrection.
Not one of Lennox's finer moments, I have to say.
Though one were to go to them who was raised from the dead, they would not believe. Therefore they have Moses and the prophet's.
Are miracles scientifically provable? No. By the way, what ever happened to miracles? Lennox is just a word spinner. In his world, sophistication replaces reality.
Do they ever get to the point.
Resurrections in 'those days' were a common literary trope.
The very popular story of Alexander the Great also claimed he 'walked among the living'.
In the chronicals, several roman emperors were seen walking among the living, it was even 'attested' by witnesses.
About any 'superhero' in the Hellenic literary era had divine powers, performed miracles, faced adversity, died a horrible death, etcetera.
To the contrary, it would have been quite remarkable if Jesus, the hero in the gospel story, would not fit the character of the typical hero.
Why the infatuation with miracles? Unless you believe the destruction of the earth will be a miracle!
I find it distracting that the young gentleman is fiddling with flash cards while the elder one is speaking. (Put the cards down and engage with your eyes, young man!) Someone needs to admonish him or he can easily be replaced. He does this quite often in other videos.
If miracles are, in nature, supernatural, and science is the study of all things physical and natural, then logically for something to be a miracle it has to not have a scientific explanation. If God is not of our nature (which, if He exists, He is beyond our mind's understanding), then He is the only one able to cause these miracles, because he belongs to the supernatural.
No.
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No....next
Nobody has regrowen an arm or leg. That would be a real miracle.
Nobody you know of!
@@tonytran07 do you know of someone who's arm or leg was regrown? Please let us know
@@tonytran07Ah yes. They kept it a secret because establishing the truth of God once and for all would be...?
If a miracle is divine intervention without the breaking of the laws of physics, doesn't this mean that this incident could happen by itself through natural processes? Since no laws of physics were broken.
If that's the case, how can we know that it was indeed divine intervention and not just a natural phenomenon that just occurred because all the conditions were right?
What is the mechanism that can help us distinguish divine intervention from natural occurring phenomena?
Because if there is no mechanism, then anyone could claim a miracle out of practically anything.
No!
Yes miracles are provable by science or the lack thereof, for example our universe birth cannot be explained by scientific or natural laws which is the definition of miracle.
it cannot be explained because it's pretty hard to know what happened
@@tonyisnotdead No the universes origin cannot be explained scientifically because it preceded science.
If God can suspended the laws of nature why does he let so many babies die every day just for lack of clean water to drink?
Because he doesn't know what priorities are.
Prove? Proof? M=M miracle=Magic
Why doesn't God perform miracles today?
He could be doing so today, just not the ones we read about in Scripture.
The answer…no
i concur Barbara.
I agree
BS
I’m glad you said that these are “claims”… and not facts. Did Joseph know the laws of nature? No one says he didn’t know where babies come from, but did he understand atoms or gravity? Miracles were the beliefs of often intelligent but very ignorant people that didn’t have explanations for the world they lived in. Sadly… that ignorance perseveres in modern society.
Right, ladies and gentlemen, now that Mr. Lennox has clearly sorted out the phenomenon of the resurrection of dead beings we can turn our attention to much more probable phenomena like the existence of the tooth fairy and the recently reported sighting of Santa's sleigh over Manhattan.
Indeed. 😆
Lennox hasn’t “proved” Anything with his analysis. Take the arithmetic analogy… mathematics is applicable to the material universe (objects). The conclusion of $50 in his hotel room drawer had to do with Objects. It is an empirical fact that of you have a collection of objects and you take one away you end up with fewer objects. The value of those objects at this point is irrelevant. Maddox is what one might characterize as a magician of sorts. First he softens up his audience with humor, a very common entertainment technique. In the missing money story there was an implicit “cause and effect” relationship based upon first there were 3 then there were 2. We know that money doesn’t walk or fly by itself so there had to be some other empirical cause. But in the case of miracles, things that don’t happen in nature (the very meaning of “super-natural”) one still has to be able to demonstrate a direct (empirical) cause and effect relationship and No One can do so since the assumed “cause” lies Outside the natural order. The apparent fact so many people can’t grasp the nature of cause and effect and can so easily jump from the natural to the supernatural is a symptom of scientific and logic ignorance. It may not be purposeful ignorance but it’s still ignorance nonetheless. People are so easily fooled about real world phenomenon because they’ve likely made little effort toward continued post high school education. Even if it were self-education about the real world. Instead too many intellectual deprived people prefer to accept the words and ideas of others who are like just as ignorant or they spend too much time involved with entertainment which includes reading bibles and attending church. One of the reasons human beings are ruining the planet is due to ignorance of cause and effect relationships. Maddox is not helping.
Contradiction of terms.
Not At all
You just didn't watch the video
@@tonytran07 You're right! I hve better things to do. The headline told me enough.
Ah, magic took 150$ out of the drawer.
So, prof, a miracle is a miracle because it is, er, a miracle. Circular, meaningless rambling, delivered with deeply unattractive self-regard.
Sure
Please watch the video before speaking
Even my 5 year old understood it
I agree. Lennox shuffling words around does nothing to advance him further on his claims.
God used to part water, send plagues, and raise the dead, now he finds car keys and cures headaches. Seems like as the ability to investigate goes up, the quality of god's miracles go down.
Seems to me that the quality of the investigation has gone down
There are no miracles. All things are scientifically explainable, or will be.
Without miracles there are no gods. Get used to it.
@@gregjones2217Your statement is a declaration of faith.
@@luciadegroseille-noire8073 Not in any way. I don't believe blindly and without proof. That is exactly what religion demands. No god, of any belief, has ever been proven.
@@gregjones2217you believe that science will eventually explain all things. There's no evidence of that - it's merely an article of faith. At the very least you're taking it on faith that the human race will exist long enough to run every experiment. Where's your proof of that? You have none.
Until you can acknowledge your own biased presuppositions you can hardly take the intellectual high ground.
The fellow on the left looks disinterested!
This is just patented Lennox word spinning. What does he say at the beginning? Lennox: "...if you start believing that everything that claims to be a miracle is a miracle you end up in trouble". Why would he say that? What is different about the miracles of the Bible? They were the same as today's miracles. They were claims that were made back in the day. There is as much evidence to support today's miracles as there is to support 2000 year old miracles. So why does Lennox reject today's miracles, but accepts Biblical miracles. Because the Bible is the word of God. How does he know that reports of today's miracles are not the word of God. After all, the Bible was written by humans, same as today's newpapers. Why would you put more faith in a 2000 year old report than you would in a report from yesterday? Did Jesus rise from the dead? I don't know, but I do know there have been many reports, old and new of people rising from the dead. Why does Lennox accept the one report, and not the others? I suggest it is because the one miracle supports his world view, and the others don't. That's the only reason.
Hmmm, Jesus was raised from the dead by God through the powers of God. Why then was it necessary to move the rock away from the entrance to the tomb? Don't the powers of God include being able to pass a body through solid rock? Why did it take three days? Couldn't it have been in two, or one? Further, why as it necessary for God to take on the incarnate form in order to sacrifice himself to himself to overcome a rule that God himself had made? Seems way too clever, doesn't it?
It did not take three days! Read the scripture carefully, it says: "On the third day" Jesus would rise, that's something completely different. First learn to read the scriptures before you mock the Christian faith! (by the way, Christians believers should do that too, they make the same mistake regarding the 'three days' as you!)
@@tarjan68 so two days and some time then. Your need to be accurate about a book that is filled with conjecture and just out right falseness is just nitpicking. At the end of the day it's all just a story, a myth a book to scare children into being well behaved.
@@johnbrown6189 If that is the way you see it. I see it differently. But to each his own.
@@tarjan68 Well, it did take more than two days for God to resurrect Jesus so in my book, that's 3 days. BTW if you read the scriptures as you suggest, you'll soon realize that the bible could not have been written by a god, any god would not have made the mistakes and contradictions shown in the bible.
@@brud1729 On why He sacrificed himself is a good question. Mistakes and contradictions is a baseless blanket statement that has long been dispelled, just google it. Your opinion on why it wasn't done this way, doesn't matter and doesn't correct the Bible. God said how He would do it in the Old Testament and then did it demonstrating His sovereignty. God and satan are spirits and we are physical. Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the earth......male and female He created them (physical) 28God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; rule over the earth and everything on the earth (paraphrase). Psalm 115:16 The highest heavens belong to the LORD, but the earth he has given to mankind. A covenant statement the earth belonged to man and God does not break His Word. Satan who was a ministering angel, very powerful but no rule over anything, saw the no restriction dominion, rule over the earth, Adam had. Satan deceived Adam to surrender everything given to Adam. Satan then became the "god" of this earth using mankind as a shield against being destroyed. God to get to a spirit satan would have to also destroy mankind. God as a spirit had to become "Man" so HE could legally defeat satan as the second Adam and take back mankind's rule on the earth, what satan stole from the first Adam. Now through Jesus Christ's victory we through Grace by Faith are "saved" from satan's destruction. Jesus was and is the new human prototype 2 Corinthians 5:17 If anyone be in Christ he is a new creation. This is Awesome!!!! Yet to all who receive Him, who put faith in His Name, He give the right to become children of God! John 1:12 Take the gift as I did, it is awesome!!! Hope this helps.
What utter drivel.
No. Miracles do not occur
It never does... For people of little faith.
Just like a poor person who do not believe or have faith they can get out of poverty. Those people stay in poverty.
It's quite clear in the Bible.
You want a miracle? You have to trust in God, Jesus Christ, to get you out. Without faith, you are just man
@@tonytran07 if we stand side by side, you believe and I don't, and you report a miracle shouldn't i be able to report it as well? John Lennox said that miracles follow the laws of physics. So whatever natural occurring phenomenon you observe, I should be able to observe as well.
So, why did you say that miracles never happen for people of little faith?
Complete waffle
Dealing with religion is dealing with nonsense. You have to take a big dose of religious drugs to join all this.
How does Lennox know that Jesus rose from the dead? Because it says so in a book?
he doesn't. he doesn't know any more than any other person knows about the nature and beginning of all things. he likes to glibly pretend he knows because then he gets paid for appearances and sells more books.
No
Because all apostles but 1 died died a brutal torturing death. Even nailed on the cross upside down. Thousands of disciples did afterward.
And historian (non jews non Christian but roman historian who hated them after several years after Christ raised from dead) wrote about it.
If you wanted the truth, you'd look for it and find it.
But you don't want truth. You want to hold onto your belief and sit there rejecting everything thrown at you
Thus you will live in a lie for life
@@tonytran07 someone willing to die for his beliefs doesn't mean that whatever he believes is true.
@@chrisrea6841 someone who isn't willing to die for his belief like "Santa is real" speaks less volume compare to someone who is willing. Tens of millions of Christians are brutally murdered every year.
I've been on mission trips where there were actually bombs and explosions at the village that I'm staying at. Once you see it you'll know what I mean.
Lastly... I'm not trying to convince you. I honestly don't care what you believe, nor am I trying to scare you.
But in all curiosity, what do you really think happens once you die? If no one is holding us accountable, why aren't you living life to the fullest by killing stealing etc?
Because it is wrong? Who told you that it is wrong? And why do most (but not all) nations agree with the moral code you follow? Where does that come from?
Lots of deep thinking required. Most people aren't capable of it. Trust me I know.
@@tonytran07 "Someone willing to die for his beliefs"
That's exactly what I said.
Did you understand my comment?
The bible stories are copied from earlier religions the epic of Gilgamesh tells the story of Atra-Hasis who built an ark to save his family and friends from the flood the gods sent to wipe out mankind a couple of thousand years before Noah. Altra-Hasis even sent out doves in the search for land. Another god Ninh Husag made the first humans from clay long before Adam and Eve. If god wrote the bible he is guilty of plagiarism I hope they aren't trying to serve him papers though as nobody can find him. Just how did god create everything when there were people and gods on earth before him. This guy spins his stories to make money out of gullible people.
I would tell John Lennox to please leave the late Hitchens out of his discussion. The same goes for Hume. Clearly he does not understand them and misquotes them either willfully or ignorantly. It is a sleight of hand he uses here; the question is whether miracles are provable but then assumes Jesus was really raised from the dead. The question in proving whether a miracle happened is not just whether the event is unlikely, because unlikely events happen all the time. So how would you prove or disprove a miracle? I would start with a definition, a clear one.
What would your clear definition of a miracle be, Sir?
@@bernarddromgoole79 Don't call me sir, call me Supreme Master. No do not do that either lol. It is not up to me to define the word, I am not proving their existence or non existence. For example, if I want to prove an object is a rock, I have to first clarify what qualities define a rock and then determine if the object satisfies those qualities. For your day to day use of the word, consult a good dictionary.
Utter nonsense.
Are miracles scientifically provable? If there was no Harry Potter, surely not. Only
Harry Potter makes everything real. We should build churches in his honor. Oh, we already have. But what was a Harry Potter without miracles. I think only a hamster.