The Cop & The Scammer - REAL Phone Conversation!
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- čas přidán 11. 03. 2015
- On Feb 27, 2015 - Sgt. Guerra of VPD received a phone call claiming to be from the IRS. He knew it to be a common scam, so he decided to call the number back and document it. What happened next was completely unexpected. He had this to say:
It’s not often that I find myself speechless, but this was one instance that I was a bit tongue tied at what transpired. If you’ve watched the video, you know now that I was able to get a scammer from Pakistan
on the phone that was brazen enough to give me step by step details into how their scam works.
Several things happened throughout the course of this video that really caught me off guard:
1) The conference call situation. I was not expecting this and I’ve never heard of this happening.
2) I apparently am completely incapable of saying the phrase “Green Dot Money Pak”
3) Most shockingly, even more so than the scammer’s willingness to give me details on the scam was when he became polite and apologetic for his poor English.
4) They are very much aware of the limitations and jurisdiction enforcement issues placed on law enforcement and really have no fear of repercussion. They literally have NOTHING TO LOSE.
So as I mentioned in the video, here are the details on how this scam works:
Credit to www.irs.gov
Victims are told they owe money to the IRS and it must be paid promptly through a pre-loaded debit card or wire transfer. If the victim refuses to cooperate, they are then threatened with arrest, deportation or suspension of a business or driver’s license. In many cases, the caller becomes hostile and insulting.
“This scam has hit taxpayers in nearly every state in the country. We want to educate taxpayers so they can help protect themselves. Rest assured, we do not and will not ask for credit card numbers over the phone, nor request a pre-paid debit card or wire transfer,” says IRS Acting Commissioner Danny Werfel. “If someone unexpectedly calls claiming to be from the IRS and threatens police arrest, deportation or license revocation if you don’t pay immediately, that is a sign that it really isn’t the IRS calling.” Werfel noted that the first IRS contact with taxpayers on a tax issue is likely to occur via mail.
Other characteristics of this scam include:
Scammers use fake names and IRS badge numbers. They generally use common names and surnames to identify themselves.
Scammers may be able to recite the last four digits of a victim’s Social Security Number.
Scammers spoof the IRS toll-free number on caller ID to make it appear that it’s the IRS calling.
Scammers sometimes send bogus IRS emails to some victims to support their bogus calls.
Victims hear background noise of other calls being conducted to mimic a call site.
After threatening victims with jail time or driver’s license revocation, scammers hang up and others soon call back pretending to be from the local police or DMV, and the caller ID supports their claim.
If you get a phone call from someone claiming to be from the IRS, here’s what you should do:
If you know you owe taxes or you think you might owe taxes, call the IRS at 1.800.829.1040. The IRS employees at that line can help you with a payment issue - if there really is such an issue.
If you know you don’t owe taxes or have no reason to think that you owe any taxes (for example, you’ve never received a bill or the caller made some bogus threats as described above), then call and report the incident to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration at 1.800.366.4484.
You can file a complaint using the FTC Complaint Assistant; choose “Other” and then “Imposter Scams.” If the complaint involves someone impersonating the IRS, include the words “IRS Telephone Scam” in the notes.
Taxpayers should be aware that there are other unrelated scams (such as a lottery sweepstakes) and solicitations (such as debt relief) that fraudulently claim to be from the IRS.
The IRS encourages taxpayers to be vigilant against phone and email scams that use the IRS as a lure. The IRS does not initiate contact with taxpayers by email to request personal or financial information. This includes any type of electronic communication, such as text messages and social media channels. The IRS also does not ask for PINs, passwords or similar confidential access information for credit card, bank or other financial accounts. Recipients should not open
any attachments or click on any links contained in the message. Instead, forward the e-mail to phishing@irs.gov.
More information on how to report phishing scams involving the IRS is available on the genuine
IRS website, IRS.gov.
Curses you out, but apologizes for having bad grammar, what a gentleman.
that woman was sooo lucky, she almost fell for the whole scam
He seems like a decent police officer.
Interesting... apologizes for the english, but not the scamming... wow...
Love how the cops are getting in on the fun lol:))
Was NOT expecting the conference call at all. Hilarious!
This has to be the greatest conference call ever. Getting cussed out, and then having the whole scam explained in detail. What more could you want from a conference call? LOL
U are the coolest cop I've ever seen. Thank you for this post.
What a polite cop, completely put off the scammer and made him confesss. Good job.
wow a cop with a sense of humor.
plus what idiot scammer would just openly explain how they do they're scams to the person they are scamming?
the scammers called the cops on themselves...
His face when that woman answers "Are you the IRS?" XD he's like "what is happening...?!"
Two things come to my mind when I get a call like this:
It's a scam, and the IRS would never just call without sending anything.
or
They discovered the $40 I made that one time was undeclared, and they are not going take me or my money alive.
My favorite trick is to tell them (in a quiet and frightened voice) that I've been kidnapped and I'm being held against my will and I don't know where.
I whisper "Help me", then scream and say in a deep voice "you will be punished for this" and then hang up.
Hopefully it will fill their minds with worrying thoughts and ruin their day.
No Norm Wilson - this is Victoria Texas Police Department.
Thanks for watching !
KP
Victoria Police Department I was thinking Victoria, BC. Thank-you for clarifying.
Victoria Police Department u rock
Victoria Police Department Thank you for being a proactive law enforcement agency! Outstanding!
This happened to my parents and my dad called back and started yelling at them and the guy said he's calling the police in is for this and my dad said do it and nothing happened. The IRS only sends notices through mail not phone calls.
I'm so glad he's a nice officer because I've seen so many bad officers in my life and I'm only 16. I have also seen a lot of good ones too though.
This officer is really cool, I hope he pulls me over one day. :D
Oh my gosh, I want this cop as a friend!!! I love how he did this XD
***** We can be friends! I will need an official handmade friendship bracelet to seal the deal though :) -Sgt G
Victoria Police Department But I can't make a friendship bracelet though!!! DX
All scammers I've called use the phrase "each and everything" at some point during the call. Is this phrase taught in English classes in different countries?
You are awesome!! I loved it! I'm a former newscaster and journalist. Some guy on Facebook trying to scam me said that I won $500,000 and I had a lot of fun with him today! He was totally freaking out at the end. LOL I have a brother that works cyber intelligence and also consults with the FBI so this poor guy by the end felt like my brother was going to be knocking on his door LOL these videos are extremely satisfying to watch! Thank you LOL
I got the IRS scam call once before. a co-worker overheard me while on the phone with them while I was on break and she told me it was a scam. Once I was aware of the situation, I asked to speak to a supervisor. They hung up on me immediately. I called back and a woman answered and I asked the same thing. This time she said she WAS the supervisor, so I insisted to speak to HER supervisor. She claimed there wasn't one. I asked for her supervisor again and she hung up on me. Later on I reported the number via the complaint agency website. So basically, if you question them like that, they'll hang up on you.
I am from Pakistan and I know English accents of Pakistani people very well... This guy is clearly from India and pretending to be from Karachi Pakistan ... All the scam calls I have received are from people having Indian accents.
KillerBeast he is indian for sure....i got the same scam as this officer. They come from india. Being a Pakistani myself I abused the scammer in Urdu/hindi and from his accent I knew he was indian - probably from Kolkata (where a lot of the IRS and Microsoft scams originate)
I agree - he was definitely from india
Diesel_Nut84 Ouchie, that's a double whammy lol.
Hahahaha I was gonna say! I'm like that guys definitely not from Pakistan
KillerBeast Exactly! Definitely not from Pakistan. LOL
Why do they always have such a good vocabulary of swear words?
***** Most foreigners learn English from Hollywood I'm afraid...
***** ikr they realy do
Because they are those swear words
First thing you learn
***** Probably because they hear them an awful lot from the people that they are calling.
It's unsettling how cavalier these scammers are about stealing people's life savings. They openly identify themselves as scammers and act like it's just one of many jobs that a person can pursue.
"That is delightful, young sir"
that is one friendly scammer....
What if he quit as being a cop when he gets da cash as a CZcamsr?
LOL. Well, 1) We don't make videos to cash out on them. No money coming in here. 2) You don't become a cop for the money, so I could never trade my purpose for a paycheck. I love being an officer and have no plans to change anytime soon. My job is to educate the community and help keep them safe. I just use CZcams to facilitate that :) -Sgt. G
I love how the scammer just gets mad about it.
He's the one doing something extremely wrong.
I got 5 automated calls today. They all went to voicemail
Simple: The IRS will NEVER call you. It's that simple.
I must say you seem pretty cool for a cop no offense intended sir. I've run mostly into cops that make me avoid you all
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I've actually been watching videos like this and I find it hilarious that they go on to explain how they do what they're doing once the target says they know they're scammers.
Two things to say: I was cracking up laughing at his facial expressions, but this video reminded me of something...
For some reason... My house phone will NOT STOP receiving these calls, and they live by the name of "TOLL-FREE-CALL". They're getting so annoying that I'm ready to throw the phones out the window!! They're claiming that they can "decrease your credit card interest", and other junk like that. I am not in charge and in control of the house, so my family will sometimes answer them. Probably because of that, we will NOT STOP getting them until they get their way and we accept the stupid scam. we're NOT going to accept it, were going to get to the bottom of it, and make them NOT call to us anymore.
Sorry about the caps...anyway, is anyone else getting phone calls by that name, and can they help me with it?
JohnnyBoy98 Depending on which phone company you use, you can see what the process is for blocking the numbers they are calling from. It varies from each company, but is a simple process. You may have to block multiple numbers and it make take some time, but it might help. You can also look into getting the number put on the National Do Not call registry. www.donotcall.gov/ - Hope this helps! -Sgt G
LazorCow If your working for google, that explains why you posted the exact comment twice -_- (aka spam). That's just sad, because nowadays spam & advertising is just pests.
JohnnyBoy98 I get calls almost every day and often several times a day from Consume Credit Service. I've blocked six of their numbers and now they're calling with ID "Survey Info." I'm starting to get irritated and I'm tempted to get a whistle and break someone's ear drum. I'm on the Do Not Call registry. It doesn't matter.
DancesWithBears Well, I told it to Sgt.G and I'll tell it to you...I may have a large mind in Computer Science...But not in telephones. I don't even have a cell phone yet. If I would've known this would be so complicated, I wouldn'tve asked for any help. I have a house phone, and until I was 12 I was told NOT to touch the phone. And just to throw it in, I overheard my mother saying "No I don't take international calls. (Pushes end button)" That's very suspicious to me, considering lots of Indians take the job of scamming (NO RACISM INTENDED)
JohnnyBoy98 must have been an error. also spam doesn't work on youtube because after you post the same thing it just stops showing up for other people.
I died at " That is delightful young sir" lmfao
“Green Dot Green Money Pak Dot Green Money Dot Pak Dot Money”
Atleast this scammer is honest LOL
3:30
Scammer: You , officer $@! you, officer. You can .$@! yourself
Officer: I'm gonna pass, I'm gonna decline....
That is amazing! You handled all that chaos and actually got him calmed down and explaining the scam to you. I give you major kudos! Not many people would be able to accomplish that. Oh, and thank you for posting this!
I find it hard to believe that ANYONE falls for these scams.
I actually work for the IRS & it breaks my heart when we get calls from taxpayers who fall for this scam. If you have been a victim of this scam you may report it by going to www.tigta.gov & clicking on the red box in the top right corner that says "IRS Impersonation Scam". More info can also be found here: www.irs.gov/uac/report-phishing Any questions pls let me know. thx
Thankyou so much. And please all of you stay safe. Thank you all for your service.
you showed so much restraint! not sure I could do the same!
Personally I like it when they call me claiming to be from Microsoft.
I let them access my computer, which all they gain access to is my Virtual Machine, which has various fake documents such as Bank Statements, Credit card information, etc. And the actual contents are pictures of Meme's;
If I can I try to get their email address so I can "Send a picture of my error" which I actually email them a picture of their own desktop by reversing the trojan they install on the machine. So every time they hit capture screen, it redirects it back to their own screen, email also has their IP Address attached and tell them if they don't refund everyone from their paypal account I will do it for them. Although I don't really have their paypal information they still panic and do it.
One thing to remember to protect yourself: your bank or the IRS, Social Security Administration NEVER call people requesting sensitive information. They also do not email you requesting it. They only send notices.
Thank you for making this video, I am a caregiver for an elderly lady with dementia who is constantly getting scam calls. The family pretty much refuses to change their number and this video helps calming her down and realize that they are just trying to scam her.
I'm not a fan of cops but I respect what this cop is doing to raise awareness about these horrible scams. Instead of giving people tickets for license plate frames, seatbelts, etc. to meet his quota, he's doing something a cop should be doing, helping out the community. Hats off to this cop for doing his actual job protecting and serving his community from these scammers instead of handing out bullshit tickets.
Man, more officers in the USA should be more like you. Actually investigating actual crimes. I never thought I would say this to a US police officer. But you doing a good job man, I wish departments would be given resources to persue these scammers. We may be smart enough to detect the scam, but as we all heard, that old lady was about to fall for it.
from the uk
Awesome catch! Congratulations to the Victoria Texas Police Dept.
Normally they are indians! PAkistanians don't really do that
i appreciate how honest the scammer was. very candid. cheers from a totally different victoria.
Sgt. Guerra, This is GREAT! Thanks for posting. You should pass this on to senior centers and the AARP. The Scammer had about one minute of honesty LOL. Amazing how the police can get ANYONE to talk. HAAAA!
You're a good cop. God bless you, and Texas.
This was hilarious lol... It's like they got stuck on an internet call and freaked out when they couldn't realize how to end it.
And this guy has amazing camera presence lol.
Oh my god this is the best video I have ever seen involving these scams. That classic Police Officer dry wit - "**** you officer!" "I'm going to decline.", The conference call, the explanation of how the scam works FROM THE SCAMMER. Amazing.
I'm no crimibal but why the hell would they divulge information on how their scam works? Are they too confident we can't do anything to stop them? Lol.
Also, it was weird to hear them scream profanities then apologise afterwards for their bad English. Lmfao.
thanks for posting this! It gave my wife an I a little piece of mind , since we got a call like this. Oh and we just got off the phone with the guy that does our taxes. He said the IRS "never" calls anyone ! thanks again.
They from India and they use magic jack to make the phone call
"You'd think that I would be familiar if legal action was going to be taken against me, but... whatever". Favourite line in this whole video!
I just was talking with Trooper Germany D.O.T. officer. His sergeant is in Victoria... thanks for the info. I live in Karnes City and we have been getting weird phone calls with Filipino and middle eastern accents. I toy with them also... keep posting this stuff it does help...
hey officer you gave good advice, I always Google the return number
Awesome. Your face was priceless. Great attitude about the whole situation. Hats off to you sir.
Omg I cannot believe he told you everything..Not Normal...very weird...Susan
Confessions Of A Scammer.Fantastic.
He has to be a good cop, I wouldn't have been able to stay that calm with such idiocy.
Well it just takes a good officer to make even a scammer confess and i have to say that was handled quite well
Pure gold and an interesting angle on an all to common scam.
I think the beeps are more offensive to my ears, Officer. Dial them down a bit for us headphone users!
Great video by the way, web justice!
Sgt. Guerra, you seem like really nice guy. Glad you're working for us here in the U.S.
That's remarkable that you actually had one admit to it being a scam. I have had multiple calls from "IRS" "Microsoft", and other types of scam and none have voluntary devalued that they are scamming people. Makes one think.
These Peoples should be in jail.
Nice work, Officer! Too funny.
Getting people aware for these scumbags, good stuff man.
I had a call similar in November of 2014. Message was automated. Me being a somewhat intelligent person immediately googled number they said to call and knew it was a scam. Then called the IRS to inform them. Its amazing how many people fall for this shit. IRS will not threaten over phone.
LMBO!!! Dude you made my day! These jerks call me all the time. Lol! I love you.
How to troll a troll? You troll them back.
This was great.. I just can't believe people will fall for that! Great job on the officers part, he was so professional and very helpful. Keep up the good work!
I can't believe the scammer actually explained what they do omg
Thank you for doing this all it makes it very good visual aid for my elderly neighbors to learn about this scam
Scammer: **** you.
Officer: Oh really!? XD great video keep up the good work ;)
Seems like a great department who truly cares for its citizens, man I wish more were like you... Love from Sweden
After he mentioned it, I really wanted the scammers to call back pretending to be law enforcement. Then the Sgt could be all "gotcha!"
This was hilarious and eye opening. My aunt actually got a phone call like this and felt very hassled by those scammers. She knew it was a scam so luckily she didn't fall for it. I hope this goes viral and spreads the word about this scam.
I've gotta buy this MoneyPak card!
You should create a series on this. It's funny as well as interesting to watch. :)
HaileyOMG33 Funny should say that - I've got a follow-up just around the corner! -Sgt G
You've restored my faith in the police.
I just got done with a scam, made the dude call the cops on himself lol
Well, you have to give the scammer some credit. He was honest, he admit that he's a scammer, and told the officer how they scam. Wow!
So the police officer calls to try to figure how the scam works and the scammer explains everything to a police officer. This has to be the dumbest criminal ever
I have only watched the first 90 seconds and I already love EVERYTHING about this! Still watching...
WHAT?! A conference call?!?!
Wow... he just... tells you everything. Wow.
Thank you for posting this. This was wonderful!
@ Victoria Police Department : What are the odds! Ha, thanks so much for setting up to have it recorded. Not implying I would fall for the scam, but it's awesome to see a police officer get such a call, and even better to see how well you handled yourself, the demeanor alone is very helpful! But have to say, this was rather amusing to see them call up a police officer at work! Thanks again Mr, and thanks for your hard work and for giving a great example of a law enforcement officer.
Thank you officer that was cool. I just received a call yesterday from scammers asking me if I wanted a free security system. I'm calling them back to have some fun.
That was some funny stuff! We get loads of calls like that here in England and Sgt. Guerra is a damn sight more polite than I've ever managed to be with the scammers! Bravo, sir!
Very informative. Ive been looking into all sorts of scams to self-educate myself for when I am one day placed into scenarios where irrational decisions may occur (:
This is a great video...it's awesome to see awareness videos like this.Please keep them coming ... And thank you.
Good job Sergeant, this is great!
This is hysterical! Thanks for this post officer!
this guy has insane screen energy, someone give him a show where he fucks with the scammers
Well done officer! Thanks for sharing it!
Scammers are all over the globe. They evolve and get smarter, so we should also be updated on their new tactics. These types of videos epose the "modus operandi".
One of the scammers calls himself agent copper. From the IRS
Great scam. You call and they immediately start cussing you out.