A very small, but important job!
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- In this video I attend to a small but important job in an apartment somewhere in Essex!
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Great idea with the magnets, but who's the winklespanner who thought running a water pipe between two mains socket/switches was a good idea?
Rrrrrridiculous
Maybe that was his only option.
Reminds me of DIY in the 80s melamine, plastic blocks and magnet catches
Happy memories watching my Dad do exactly this 🙂.
I had exactly the same job to do many years ago. I made an 'L' shaped melamine cover, just like you did, but stuck matching tiles to the kitchen walls onto it, blending the joints to the tiles on the walls. The unit became quite heavy and did not need any fixings at all. It has stayed put for over twenty years, but can be slid out of the way if needed.
Yeah - this is the best option
Maybe you could silicone a small quadrant trim onto the tiles each side, so that the boxing could tuck in behind them and still attach to the magnets in order to be removable?
I would box in all the pipes as one, and relocate those switches and receptacles to the outside of that box...
Sometimes that’s not possiblr
More work and more money if jou want it to be perfect !!😊
@@jdt1459sja with the time he had he did the best he could tbf
@@jdt1459sja I strongly dislike the idea of half-assing anything. I'd much prefer to whole-ass it.
Poor job, better off painting the pipes than that bodge.
What I like about the most is simply that there is no such thing as a quick job. Everything in that video from start to finish rings true for me. Cheers.
It's the type of job which a customer would assume takes only an hour to do, but in reality might take the bast part of the day.
Seems mad to make something removable to then silicone it in?
Would have added a double socket to the boxing in to bring it out to the surface and a short fly lead with a 13 amp plug to plug in to the original socket behind, then use a plastic back box with longer screws from the front double socket to the back box or use a metal back box. To prevent chip-out on the melamine use masking tape and cut through the melamine with a Stanley knife along your finished cut line, then cut a couple of mm away from the finished cut line and sand or plane down to the line.
I was wondering if you could do this under code, effectively just a mini extension cable.
Please make a video of your melamine magic skills to teach us all great master 🙏 🙌
Hello mate!
Just a quick pro tip that I've got from my father in law who's been a carpenter for 25+ years and installed many kitchen appliances: when cutting melamine if you don't want it to chip like that just put some paper tape over the line you're supposed to be cutting and then remove it once you're done.
The difference is amazing, I've tried it myself a couple of times now.
Cheers, Adrian!
I've seen several videos of people testing this and if anything putting tape on the line made the cut worse as it pulls off any weak bits..
I always use masking tape when cutting similar materials, correct
I'd add when used with the correct blade, masking tape is good but it can't work miracles.
Yeah, we all know this, but just remember he was working away from home, so it's likely he didn't bring any tape with him...
@@caskwith I've tried it myself at least 3 times both with a jigsaw and a circular saw and it worked wonders!
Not sure if this would work, but:
Maybe you could put a transparent packing tape where the silicone bead would touch the tile on both sides; apply the white silicone, mould it, and wait for it to dry fully; then cut the tape along the line and carefully remove the cover. Then, remove the remains of the tape from the tiles, and (optionally/possibly from the newly formed silicone edging).
Thus, silicon edge would nicely conform to he contours, cover the chip-out on the melamine, and cover would still be removable per need.
I am not sure if silicone would adhere to the packing tape, so an alternative tape might be needed (paper masking tape, maybe?) for it to work.
Cracking idea and maybe use cling film as the isolation medium which would be easier to remove.
It doesn`t appear he had that sort of timeframe to let silicone cure, it`s a one strike visit by the looks of things. Could have glued a trim bead to the melamine face to cover any chip out, then it would all be removable as one piece. It may have helped if someone could have sent him some pictures/measurements of the job beforehand. Not much else he could have done here.
If you're a landlord you want this kind of job doing cheaply as well as quickly so ideal for a handyman. The guy's clearly not a plumber, but moving the cold feed across is relatively simple especially as it rises through the vent, just need to bend/shape the pipe in the cupboard. The double socket can be moved to the right of the fused switches and tap into the same supply. Triple boxes are available so no mess.
That boiler install is shocking….cant believe the owner signed that off….
What's wrong with that? Seems quite tidy. All straoght pipes down. The last one couldn't go on the left, it would obscure the socket or come out further from the wall. This is the sort of stuff that happens when you put a boiler in a place it wasn't designed to go.
Believe me, this is a neat installation by British standards.
What would you of done differently?
Welcome to rental houses in the UK! The only thing the average landlord cares about is "How cheap can you do it?".
@@moo7137I know gas needs special care and cannot be touched by a DIYer but surely the cabinet was butchered and the pipes should not have been left like that. If had to box the pipes in he would have done a better job with the pipes
Love difficult small projects. Great video Stuart. Heres one you’ll love… you can buy jigsaw blades that cut on the downstroke, for jobs that need the good side facing up! 😊
That has given me idea on how to box the ugly pipes in my bathroom, thanks 🙏
I’ve got an original B&D Workmate from 1987/88 - I can’t chuck it around like your modern version, it’s a heck of a lot heavier and more substantial. Probably the reason it’s lasted so long😊
Mine's from 1976 and still perfectly usable lol.
@@tomlee812 - I wasn’t sure how long they’d been around. Obviously longer than I thought!🤣
Yeah...... Mine is a nice big heavy duty metal lump from 1977 and it was thirty years before it dawned on me that a squirt of WD40 would make the release catches nice and easy!
Also jigsawed and circular sawed nice chunks out of it over the years but still going strong......
@fabianmckenna8197 - That's a good point! I think I'll give mine an overhaul this week. A good oiling will do it good👍🏻
Mine's in pretty much the same state as yours too🤣
Time to watch some videos on how you cut a scribe with a jigsaw. Cut from underneath gives a far better cut but you will struggle with the old school jigsaw. A down cut blade will also sort the chipping out.
Given the positioning of everything you were in a no win situation. As a personal alternative I think I would have boxed in the pipes to the left and put a piece of that white plastic pipe wrap on the lone water pipe so you could have left access to the sockets. Maybe that wouuld not be acceptable to the owner though. For other jobs I like the idea of the hot glue simply as a way to locate the join bits prior to screwing them into wood or something. Great channel, with good tips and techniques. Thanks
I think if you painted the pipes a colour to match the tiles it would blend the pipes in it would hide them in my opinion
Lots of critics, but I really like the video and the winging-it solution. Imperfect tools and materials to perform an imperfect job that's 'good enough' is often what DIY is about 😂
With more time, money, better tools and materials, no doubt a better solution exists, but you have to work within the parameters you've got.
Love it!
The boiler installer did you dirty with that one. Especially that water pipe between the socket and switches. He also removed the entire bottom of the cupboard instead of making a couple of holes.
The end result is tidy though - especially once it’s caulked in.
They're not allowed to just cut holes for pipes. There has to be a certain area cut out for ventilation (yeah, I know, balanced flue and all that but regs is regs.
That's not a ventilation hole, it's a cupboard massacre!@@retiree1033
plumber was a bogit and scarper merchant
The job looks good as it is. I think I would use some white plastic trim over the ends because, if you then add the silicone bead, pulling the cover off to gain access to the socket will not be possible.
Great video Stuart, I recently did the same for a friend with a black quartz worktop with mirror flecks like your one. I brought a small piece of shower panel in gloss black with mirror flecks and virtually did what you did, I used a tile trim in chrome for the edges. It honestly looked like part of the worktop and cheap to make. Keep up the great videos.
Shower panel (or end bath panel) was my thought, no reason (other than time/access now) that it can't still be done using the white melamine as a base - just clad it with trim as you suggest will hide rough edges.
Im so glad, To see a video with the difficulties of these jobs. Great job.
Good to show a job with compromises and constraints that you would rather were not there in the first place. Boilers now require a massive ventilation hole below them, so that is why the boiler cupboard doesn't have a bottom at all. Pipe placement was horrible, but dictated by the retrofitted boiler. All in all a reasonable bodge was required and implemented.
Hi Stuart, a downcut blade on the jigsaw will help reduce (but not completely eliminate) the chipping of the melamine.
And now for the real tip..
...A few drops of Methylated Spirits on the cooled hot glue will break the bond and you can unbelievably easily remove the parts without mess! A great tip for also removing hot glue that is spilled etc.
I use a cotton bud to just dab the Methylated Spirit around the joint. It doesn't need much and just wait a few seconds for it to wick in and hey presto the glue can be popped off with ease!...perhaps an idea for one of your upcoming videos..
Cheers from Ireland.. Keep up the good work
Anto..
Small plastic quadrant instead of a bead of silicone. The silicone will prevent easy removal of the cover? Quadrant will cover any undesired edges. Fixed to the removable cover and not the counter top will mean it can be removed with the cover.
It always amazes me that when people install stuff like say a pipe right between a double socket and a switch spur they look back and think oh thats fine I'm sure someone can cover it up. Maybe put a microwave in front of it.
Nice job! I used the same method when I boxed in our gas meter in our hallway. I battoned around the meter then clad it in pallet wood and used the same catches for the front so it looks like a solid box but you can lift it off in an emergency or when the plumber comes to service the boiler.
Nice job buddy. Thanks for the upload. Sometimes a small job can be more troublesome than a large one & it's most probably made a huge difference to someone!
Should have used a melamine jigsaw blade (ultra fine and cuts on the down motion)
Thanks, didn't know those existed.
Starrett do blades which cut down at the top and up at the bottom so pretty good finish both sides of the material. Sorry I can't remember the name of them but I've found them really useful 👍
I have a similar job to do at home and this has given me something to consider - very easy access for maintenance 👍🏽
I was thinking to extend the outlet out with a diy extension cord so it's accessible without having to move the box all the time... 🤷♂️
Its the small jobs that I struggle with so many thanks for the advice!
Down cutting blade for the jigsaw will solve the chipping or cut from underneath with practice. You could cut a dry line socket box in the panel and wire a socket with a plug so its removable with the panel. Stick an offcut with straight edge to the wall so not to damage the tiles and use a push on keku clip solid but removable. Thats just how i would do it many ways to skin a cat 😂
To get a better matching colour you can use the thin vinyl click floor tiles glued over a cheaper box built from plywood/osb, maybe need a piece of trim for exposed corners. Tiles are easier to cut, and cover any area. Used this technique to box in pipes in kitchen and to build a custom fit bath panel.
Great job Stuart 👏
Whenever I am doing a job away from home as a DIYer, I have a list in my garage for a To Go box for additional tools not in my toolbox (clamps, gaffer tape + +) and a To Go compartment box for those little extras (wall plugs, PTFE tape + +]. Works for me as I then have everything that I can think about needing for the job.
Wife and I just laughed when we saw this as I am in the middle of something quite similar and the use of magnets. Wife thought I was crazy until she saw this. As much as in trying to cover pipes it means the removal of a laundry basket and to compensate, I am trying to create narrow depth shelving which will enclose the pipes but are easily removable to allow the boiler engineer in to service it and to get at the pipes. It will use a quick locking type clasp.
I loved how this covered all the little niggles of a install seeming to be so simple but to do a clean and proper job it takes attention to detail which is well highlighted in this video
I had an almost identical situation a few years back to pipes that were there before we moved in. I have just left it free standing, the only difference being I was able to source a piece of MDF almost identical to the wall units. With some kitchen items in front of it, it is not obvious at all.
Great work, love watching your videos.
I've had my workmate since 1987 and apart from renewing the top (with 3/4" marine ply) just last year it's been a fantastic bit of kit!
I still have my Dad's. Bought it for him around 1974-5. Got some cut marks on it ( me not him ) and one diy handle but I use it all the time.👍
I think I would have put all those electricals, including the fused switches on fly leads using Wego's or something similar and cut holes for new back boxes in the melamine.
Just one of those jobs where there isn`t really a quick solution. The rogue pipe needs relocating alongside the others, then with a bit of luck the electrical accessories can be moved slightly to the right. Stuart done the best he can in one visit with limited tools, having not seen the job. Might have helped if the letting agent or someone could have sent him a few pictures and measurements beforehand.
Tippex is real handy for touching in white furniture board.
A clever fitting of materials :)
Nice video as always Stuart and a great use of the magnetic catches. This might be a silly question but with the catches making it easy to remove the panel if you want to use the sockets doesn't adding a bead of silicone cancel out the removability of the panel?
Great point! 🙂
Attach some clingfilm to the wall first (hold it in place with masking tape etc). Then apply your bead of silicone etc., wait for it to cure and then peel away the clingfilm... Hey presto a nice fillet of sealant bonded to the Melamine but not bonded to the tiles!
.. The only downside is waiting for the sealant to cure before you can finish the job..
@@antomacthat is genius mate , thank you for that tip
Try treating yourself to a set of down cut jigsaw blades they are great for cutting melamine and worktops gives a much cleaner cut.
Like the saw track that you made up.
Pretty slick idea using the magnets.....I personally wouldn’t have but my tools on the worktop without some protection and definitely wouldn’t have started hammering
To follow a scribe line with a jigsaw when you need the scribe side to be neat with no chips, simply turn the jigsaw upside down and cut from underneath. You use the blade that sticks up through the wood as your guide. If that makes sense?
Very helpful ! Thanks !
Great job
Some years ago I fixed up a wooden (or at least fake wood) bath panel using exactly the same type of magnets. Still holding up now and easily removable!
I would worry if the boiler leaked it would go all over that socket
Good point ,combo boilers have a tendency to leak and drip
Bodge!...I agree with @TheLukemcdaniel...relocate the switches outside by extending the wires
Mate you need a fine saw blade, also when your using the Jigsaw, tape up the bit your cutting it will reduce tear out a lot as it's keep everything together
As a handyman myself Stu , if i do work like this i generally wipe the tiles with alcohol just to remove any grease or dirt that can accumulate in these sort of areas seems to give really strong bond. i really like these types of videos you do at your friends apartments too, more please.
If the tenant is picky enough to query exposed pipes....they are going to be really picky about having to unclip and reattach a box whenever they want to use that socket. Box in the five pipes on the left and paint the single pipe in the same colour as the tiles. Less faffing about whenever they want to use a toaster.
I tend to buy a decor end panel and use a track saw to cut to size (most providers have at least some old stock). I then use builders Velcro to put it together as often isolation valves are in that area. It can be dismantled easily and reused after.
To stop the break out with the jigsaw use it upside down - that reverses the tear out side. It takes a bit of practise to get it right. Or you could buy a blade that cuts on the down stroke. Also liquid paper (tippex) over the tear out somewhat blends in with the melamine.
Great job! Looks 100% better than naked pipes. 👍
Love mounting idea with furniture magnets..
In place of silicon, I, probably, just file edges a little bit, to get away from bigger grooves, making it smoother and paint these edges white.. 😂
That's what I needed, for have to do exactly this job to do in the kitchen to come of my son's new home. And You confirmed my idea to use magnets. I'm happy to see You doing it and working it out, so it is less complicated for me and a real help! Thank You very much! Greetings from Germany^^
In the past I have used masking tape along the cut line (all side front and back etc) to minimise the blow out. It works to a fashion and is easily masked against the wall to be hidden by caulking.
🎉and it's just what I needed to know at this point 😊
I often use 4mm thick plastic sheets you buy from a craft shop. They come in a vast assortment of colours and can be hot glued together and require very little tools to complete job
You can get jigsaw blades that cut on the downward stroke,which is nice!
id have been tempted to box around all of it (including the sockets), but then bring all the sockets out to the face of the "box" - providing there was enough slack on the wire.
If I don't have the correct saw blade handy, I cut slightly oversize and use a fine file to tidy up the edges. Gives a nice clean edge and a couple of flat / round files take up very little space in the toolbox. Putting masking tape on the board before scribing can also help reduce chipping when you cut.
Would love a follow up to hear how the hot glue has held on those tiles over time. Handy as a "semi"-permanent fix and easier to clean off the tiles than cured silicon.
Probably a 1,000 different ways to do this. I always watch so I can see different techniques that could be used in different applications. Also watching the difference between US and British, like your switches are down for on and ours are up. I’m impressed how you convert metric to inches.
Welcome back to Essex Stuart, I know precisely where that is, we used to dirt track through the woods around there as kids in the 70s !
What a bodge job that installation was, particularly placing the water pipe between the two electrical fittings, no excuse for that. Of course this wasn't up to your usual standards Stuart, but nonetheless an interesting thing to show and you worked a solution on the fly with little time or equipment so what can realistically be expected.
I think I know the sale you are referring to, I also bought the Workmate from there as a gift for my Daughter who is just starting on her DIY journey so have also directed her to your excellent Channel .
When using the saw, apply masking tape before. 👍🏼
Just use a handsaw and stay in the apartment. 2 minutes job turned into an hour 😂
Why not build or buy a spice rack to sit in front of the pipes...it useful too!! 🤷♀️
Good bodgeneering 👍
If you want to easily remove hot glue use isopropanol alcohol, a tiny amount and it will cleanly just pull off.
thank you!
I think you did a great job considering all the obstacles in your way!
I've seen kitchen and wardrobe fitters cutting their scribes by holding the jigsaw upside down underneath the workpiece.
This way the blade cuts down into the wood or melamine, meaning less chip-out. Also they can see the blade and line much more clearly.
However its a skill I've never managed to perfect!
A couple of tips. Always wear a mask when cutting chipboard/mdf. Get a down-cut jigsaw blade to avoid the ragged edge. I like to the use of magnetic grips, a good video.
Measure and make, then fit. 18mm MRMDF painted black (if that was the owner's preference), button fix type 2's to fix it to the wall and black decorators caulk around it at the tiles and worktop which is far less permanent than silicone. It didn't look like a wet area so no need for silicone.
Some abrasive paper on a block could be used to sand a 45deg bevel on the sawn edges.
That would give a nice straight finish to the melamine finish and wouldn't catch the eye like the chipped edge of the melamine.
You could make a feature out of it by boxing it in permanently with an access door for the pipes and sockets. That way the owner could tile over the boxed part and make it look better. Other options I was thinking of are:
1. move pipe to adjacent wall so that boxing is only needed in the corner
2. box it in permanently but extend the wires for the double socket so it is mounted to the boxed section instead of wall behind
I understand you are working in somebody else's property so your solution might not be the same as it would in your own house. Interesting to see you are a structural engineer/handyman now :)
You can use a washer for scribing. Works brilliantly
That owner needs the boiler people to come put and re sort put their cowboy work. As for the box, the silicone will look worse if you have to remove to plug switches in, which would irritate me if that was the case. I had something like that under my boiler and the beading drove me insane so I removed it myself. The magnet clips are a great idea tho.
Got to love that right hand pipe where it goes through the ventilator grille, classic.
Could have purchased a one piece boiler pipe casing from Pendock ltd.
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Pendock for me as well , far better looking for about £35 👍
I hate those "small" fiddly jobs! I use those catches quite a lot when they are out of the way. Just used to secure a rear cabinet panel that might need removing to access pipework in future. I sometimes use rare earth magnets epoxied in when more strength needed - just done the latter to secure a valance/pelmet box around a roller blind so it can be removed as needed. I quite often finish any mucky cuts with a bit of trim rather than caulking, if the panels really need removing.
Appreciate the silicone was an afterthought, but you didn't need the magnets 😉
Stuart, you did a decent enough job all things considered, but you cut the side piece from the wrong side! If you'd cut from the other side you wouldn't have got all the tear out of the edges. Scribing the melamine with a blade helps too.
Box the group and white electrical trunking on the single pipe. Those are magnetic cabinet catches.I would have hot glued the plate too the wall. Scribe the underside of the melamine and mask tape or half depth cut from both sides. Iron on edge tape. Seems there's vent slots back of work top and your somewhat restricting any appliances
Nice job
Could you fit a socket front to your boxing & simply connect to the socket behind via a flex and 13amp plug, obviously checking building & electrical regs. Nice job though, the simple ones are the best👍👍
Great video🎉
I like the magnets idea. But perhaps some kind of thinner material, that could be bent into shape, would create a more minimal box out.
A down-stroke cutting jigsaw blade would reduce the chipping, but they aren't much fun to use and its not a perfect cure.
Had a new boiler fitted a few years back and wondered the best way to box it in, yay I've found it!
Two major advantages, SWMBO will have to find something else to nag about and I get to buy a new toy, a hot melt glue gun. Everyone's a winner! 🤣
You can get trim pieces for the bottom of kitchen cupboard plinths, which have a silicon seal on them. Perhaps try that, and it would seal up to the tiles, hide the tear out on the melamine cut edge, and be removable. I do dislike working with melamine, particularly the white stuff; it's so hard to get a decent finish on the cuts. Nice job considering how awkward the position of the pipes and power sockets and switches were.
You could buy some plinth strip that is used for, well, plinths (or kickboards) to hide the rough edges and the way the stips are design is like a water seal edge which could fit snug across the unever surface of the tile, just cut away some of the strip edge that sits on the socket
Isopropyl alcohol gets rid of hot glue a treat.
Heat does too.
Try masking tape on the cut surface to stop it chipping the surface!!!
Brilliant
You can get jigsaw blades that cut on the down stroke to keep the edge neater. Or do like bourbon moth and use your jigsaw upside down! 😮 I wonder if some painter's tape on the cut line might have helped a bit too, although melamine is a pig to cut at the best of times anyway. Anyway, that was an interesting and realistic problem to solve. Thanks for the video
Excellent example of a real world solution to a real world problem, thanks!
And what better way to start my breakfast than with a coffee and this video?
Cheers from Sweden!