Mark Vines vs Mike Tammen at 2024 M65’s HARD COURT NATIONALS
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Finals of Singles… Mark wins 6-1, 6-1.
First point is at 11:05. Video is the entire match.
Very Windy conditions... so sorry about the noise.
SwingVision won't allow the scores to be shown on the video when it's moved off their platform.
Man this is surreal. I grew up playing in the Pacific Northwest & Nor Cal. Mike Tammen was one of the top Mens Open players in my area (Portland, OR) in the 80s. Stud player. Seeing this makes me see how fast the years go. It's been an awesome journey, but time goes by like the blink of an eye.
PS-
Mark, i read about your story & how you won the Paris Masters ATP event, beating legend Yanick Noah along the way. Amazing.
yeah, it flies by for sure think about the insane transition in style of the late 80's early 90'
s( much more agressive) along w equipment improvements( more powerful racquets); these guys look like they're largely hitting mid-80's style.
Serving with 2 balls in hand and just holding one the whole point when the first serve goes in is crazy. Feels so casual.
Very "old school"! When you don't have a two-handed BH...and you teach a lot of lessons, it becomes 2nd nature!
Steffi graf used to discard the second ball behind her if she got the first serve in
Great Tennis on both sides! I hope to be this good when I’m this old. You just earned yourself another SUBSCRIBER! Keep up the grind with tennis and CZcams and I can't wait to see more videos 😊
I will continue to grow my video match list as well as my video tips! If there is anything you would like for me to touch upon, let me take a shot of it. I'm old school in my thoughts, but respect the new game of tennis!
@@MarkVines-SeniorTennisTraining You play really well! More matches is something I would love to watch from you!
@@MarkVines-SeniorTennisTraining Hi Mark, I’d like to hear a little about equipment. Like what racquets are you and Mike playing with in the match. Also…any training tips for a fellow 65 year old tennis player with a new hip last February?
I played Tammen in a Phoenix tourney once. Was happy to hold my own for a few games until he chose to crank it up, then I was done. He is a beast, Just like Vines.
Question about the line call controversy:
Is the USTA umpire saying win an on-court umpire a player needs to make an immediate call and not take time to look at the mark?
Is the USTA umpire saying since there’s an on-court umpire, the umpire is responsible for looking at the mark and overturning or agreeing with a point-ending line call?
If there is no on-court umpire, we players all confirm or override our immediate call on a clay court by looking at the mark.
Comments?
I called the ball out, but with a hesitation as I wanted to make sure my call was correct... and it left a distinct ball mark which I examined. The umpire ruled my call came too late and that on hard courts you aren't allowed to make calls based upon a ball mark. So, he awarded the point to Tammen. I wasn't happy about it, as the ball was out. However, it just pumped me up with more determination for a while afterward!
Dudes have bionic hips. I’m jealous!
Nice playing. Your racquet looks huge. What is it? Big Bubba?
Btw, SwingVision works on Mark Sansait's CZcams channel, so I don't understand why it won't work on yours.
My racket is the Wilson Hyper SledgeHammer 115. They were last produced in 2001. So I look for them on EBay now. Can’t find anything else comparable. I use Wilson Revolve 17 & Sensation 17 string at 58 lbs (strung on an old hand crank Ektelon machine). Looks big because I am not tall.
I will check Mark’s channel for the SwingVision usage… thanks!
beautiful tennis! Didn’t realize Barnes can get so windy sometimes, hope it didn’t affect your game too much.
Thanks for watching! Yes, the wind was significant and hurt his game a bit. I learned in college (SMU) to play in the wind… and enjoy it. So I believe that it actually helps me as the match goes on. Attitude affects everything… not the wind!
Mark, it looks like you're playing with an oversize racquet. Can you provide the racquet specs and string & tension you use? I played doubles in the same St. Pete tournament you played earlier this year (in the 65 age bracket too) with Dave King. We did ok but I had to give up the racquet (Prince 120), string (Tourna Big Hitter), and tension (62lbs) I was using because of elbow pain. Cheers...
Wilson Hyper SledgeHammer 115. String is Wilson Revolve & Sensation 17. String at 58 lbs on hand crank machine (about 51 lbs on electric machine). Hope your elbow is better and you are back playing again 😁
@@MarkVines-SeniorTennisTraining Thanks Mark! Yes, I started playing again in July after taking 3 months off. I'm using the Wilson Triad Three (113 si) with Head Velocity 16G @ 55 lbs. I'm pleased to see my racquet, string, and specs are close to yours. Now, if I can start hitting half as well as you I'll be happy! Cheers!
I love watching these two predominate players in their age group battle each other. Clearly they know how to win. I’ve been sidelined from competition for years due to a career job. Now that I’m retired I’m salivating at the opportunity to compete again on the tennis court. The game seems different at this age group. Less power, more slices, more drop shots, and maximum conservation of energy. Kinda shocked at how flat footed the players are… What advice would you give me to succeed at this level?
Thanks for watching. Yeah, when I watch myself play I am shocked on how "slow" I move, but that's reality as you approach the ending part of your life. Here's some help that I give all my students:
1. have well defined goals
2. create intense focus..."Clarity of Thought & Purpose"
3. receive immediate feedback
4. experience frequent discomfort (be ready & expect mistakes)
5. find yourself expert coaching
GOOD LUCK & don't wait to start competing again!
@@MarkVines-SeniorTennisTraining thx for the response! Is this the only SoCal tournament you play? I live in San Diego and would love to see you play in person. I have a buddy that has a court in his backyard and been playing him every Saturday for almost 30 years. Going to enter a tournament at Balboa Tennis Club in the fall. Reality check time!
Yes, I live in Naples, FL...so California and hard courts I rarely visit. This tournament is always at Barnes Tennis Center the first week in May.
To get ready for your tournament, you may want to expand your playing opponent list just a bit! Also, don't just "play"... play with purpose, like play 5 sets but start every game at 30-30 so that you get used to playing "big points"... or play a match but only get one serve attempt...things like that to enhance your game and mind!
Good Luck!
@@MarkVines-SeniorTennisTraining good stuff! Thx so much!
Lol! Get in shape. These guys are slow even for their age. I had a professor who at age 70 was much lighter on his feet and faster than these two. He played handball and soccer. Tennis was a secondary sport. I was shocked how quick he was at 70. This when I was 20 and very fast on the court.
they make 65+ seniors play on crazy crooked angle sideways courts?? intense!
Haha! When you get to be 67 sometimes the court does feel angled & sideways! The wind blew my camera a bit too!
Think Tammen played Vines close match on here before? Pretty one sided today. So far Vines undefeated I thought Vines had a Gamma BUBBA 117???? He said below a Sledgehammer
While this fun to watch someone should edit it there’s more time spent retrieving balls than actual play
I purposefully put up this entire match (vs cutting out the in between points) so that everyone could see what top players do in that non-playing time. Since most of a match the ball is not in play, it is important to use that non-playing time to coach yourself... correct any mistake made... plan for the next point... set yourself both mentally and physically to begin that next point. Most tennis pros / coaches don't work on that part (70% of the match time) during your lessons. Watch and learn as we don't have a sideline coach's box telling us what to do every point like the pros do now!
Congrats on another Gold Ball. We played once on the grass at Germantown and we talked a while after the match. You gave me a compliment that I never forgot. You said : When we were tied at 4-4, I was wondering who the heck you were. My problem was that you won 8 games in a row. 6-4 6-0. (you tube name is not my name)
Thanks for the kind words. Hope you are still playing😁
@@MarkVines-SeniorTennisTraining -oh yeah. Too young for Sea Bright- but back to Philly in August. Good luck
Thanks and play strong / smart in Philly!
How big was the draw?👍
The singles draw had 96 players
Did they ever have a rally?
Don't know exactly what your question means...but, yes, our rallys aren't like what you see on TV... with 20-30 shots. Typically, the older players get the shorter the rallys become due to several factors. First, we just slow down over time meaning we can't retrieve as fast so we are "late" getting to balls which forces more errors.
Mike Tammen typically comes to net ALL the time vs most all players, and is VERY good at net. So, I come to net FIRST to keep him from playing his game. RALLYS are overrated...playing the winning strategy & executing is where the WINS come from! Keeping the ball in play win it for you unless it creates errors. Have fun playing and winning...
Pro set?
No...normal set. 6-1, 6-1. I am working to get the score posted using SwingVision. Thanks!