Other than the view on exploring other planets, Jack Ma is correct on every point. You have to be intellectual and intelligent to understand his points and logic. If you have computer like binary tinkling then it will be extremely hard for you to understands his point. Elon is a very good scientist and extremely intelligent man but clearly not an intellectual thinker.
Was thinking the EXACT same thing.... I can imagine him walking off the stage thinking, “ WTF just happened?” Hope he didn’t fly half way around the world, just for that event?
I think Elon is saying AI can be dangerous to civilization if there is no love which is true but I think what jack is saying... for example when atom bomb was invented then hydrogen bomb etc etc ppl believe it will destroy the world over.. but humans did not allow it to happen it resisted.. same with AI there is potential to do harm but as humans, but he is optimistic that we will make the right choice,.. if there was a choice between war n peace human will choose peace, thus AI will be used for good. If anything humans as a species will find ways survive
That human capacity that separates Reason from Logic is ironically what Elon seems to deny exists. That emotional component of reason is the key to imagination, a quality AI can never have, but which is crucial for forecasting (or predicting the future). There lies the qualitative difference b/w the human & the AI 'mind'.
@@petrulutenco6600 True. But that's neither here nor there. All distant future states of the universe, including the place of humans relative to AI, is beyond our capacity to imagine. That's the definition of mortality. That doesn't change the fact that reason is a higher order phenomenon than logic in the ordering of consciousness (intelligence). Humans have the capacity for reason, AI doesn't.
So, why isn't Musk talking Chinese? Jack Ma is talking English though. And in all honesty, Musk is mumbling a lot. He's not even easy to understand. And Ma has a good point about going to other planets. It's just about building bigger engines and burning more fuel, while polluting the earth. Musk should be taxed for the damage he does to our climate. "We're going to Mars" is like "we're building a pyramid". Everybody talks about the result, but the required sacrifices aren't made by the winners. When Musk goes to Mars, he's really doing more damage to our planet than you can imagine. Ironic, but the West is slways talking about human rights. But Ma is talking about the people, and Musk is the most selfish person on the planet.
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Ba ha ha, I’ve noticed when Elon is holding back he raises one then the other shoulder, just his chin to the side and pulls on the bottom of his coat. It’s his way of not blurting out “you don’t get it you Luddite!”
I have finished watching this video completely. (我看完這部影片了) I am a Taiwanese who cares about the global affairs. (我是一個關心全球事務的台灣人) And, sadly, most of my fellow Taiwanese don't really care about the world. (但是，很不幸地，我大部分的台灣同胞不那麼在意世界。) Hopefully Taiwan can become increasingly globally-aware and globally-competitive. (希望台灣可以越來越有全球意識與全球競爭力。) God bless Taiwan. (天佑台灣。)
Jack Ma is an ENFP and Elon Musk is an INTJ. Both are different people. Jack Ma is a realist and Elon Musk is an Idealist. Though realism and idealism may often clash with each other, this is what the society needs. Jack Ma believes it's not too late to save the world and we can act right now while Musk believes that we don't have much time and we need to find an alternative for survival. In all aspects, I support Jack Ma. Cause I also feel just like him. Why spend billions of dollars and wastes lots of precious years to make Mars a suitable place to live while we can save the earth? Why not spend that 1 billion USD to plant millions of trees, clean all the trash and garbages that have been dumped into the oceans and invest it on renewables sources of energy.. If humans want this earth to survive for thousands of years, we have to lower our standard of living.
Raghav Gupta I don’t like the tone and manner Jack is addressing god emperor MUSK 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼 I bet he isn’t even paying attention. You can sense a jealousy and inferiority complex in his body language. ☠️
Jack Ma is a practical guy while Elon Musk is a logical. Jack is confident and articulate in expressing his thought even though he has little idea about the topic. Meanwhile, Elon is really visionary and has in depth knowledge about the topic. So for me, the winner of this debate is Elon Musk.
I really don’t think it was a language barrier. Jack Ma seemed dismissive and patronizing. Elon was actually trying to talk about tangible issues and Jack seemed to be on the don’t worry be happy wagon.
Don't worry, no need to go to THE mars, all that matters if love, no worries about jobs, there will be plenty of jobs, we won't need jobs, I don't worry about what I can't solve, but let me explain that to the guy who can solve them.
I have seen this debate before... Both have done alot of hardwork and that pays off... The more you work hard the more lucky you get... This is how the world works.
@Irish Kelly His companies past and present are...Paypal, Neuralink, Boring Company, SpaceX, Solar City, and Tesla...just think of how revolutionary each company is/was. He's more innovator/visionary than businessman (but thank god he's still businessman otherwise they would all go bankrupt!)
when Jack is talking Elon makes a funny face like saying he doesn't know what he's talking about. Jack tried to look at the same level of intelligence that Elon He failed but it was a good try.
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Jack ma is like your drunk uncle trying to teach you a life lesson. Elon musk is like a robot trying to imitate a human P.s. thanks for the love guys, really didn't ever imagine that I'd get to 9k likes when I wrote this 😂
Akshay Shukla I think that Jack need to improve his English level maybe bcs he is not a native speaker.. he could not understand some joke and word’s meaning Musk said (I think Elon musk his Chinese level was not good as Ma’s English ahh
@@AllInOne-uy9wm hhh please a typo is the problem now xD, there will be a time were AI will make crazy important decisions, and nothing will garantee that the common man will be at the winning side, cuz he doesn't own the AI, others do.
not even the falcon heavy could cross the intellectual distance to donate some of Elon's brain cells over to the equally empty void between Jack's ears.
@@LucasRodrigues-ls8re I literally have no idea who this Jack Ma dude is a part from the fact that he's rich and he looked like an idiot in this video. which is why it's a joke.
There's Always Another Way he’s the founder and CEO of Alibaba He wasn’t rich! He was fairly poor and rejected from KFC and McDonalds plenty of times, college drop out, and made himself an empire and now it’s the richest man in China! He’s very smart when it comes to personal life and evolution, business, and philosophy. Just not in tech. Tesla is a total failure as a company.... Elon is not nearly as good in business as Jack but his understanding of tech is far superior
Tairaa2 I’m not sure about his educational background, but if someone looks like an engineer and talks like an engineer, I have no problem calling him an engineer.
Jack: I want chocolate Elon: chocolate is bad for you because of its high fat and sugar content. Its consumption has been associated with acne, obesity, high blood pressure, coronary artery disease, and diabetes. Jack: I want chocolate
@@danilorbatista Jack Ma literally made up a statistic that 99.99% of all predictions about the future are wrong. He did this, in this video, to denounce the threat of AI. Do you really need to ask which one resulted from a propaganda controled state?
Yes he just answering his own question all the time very intelligent indeed and jack ma is like Yea whatever carry on i already have my own AI Alibaba intelligence and know how to utilize AI you make it i will make sure I cash out the opportunity in best possible way
The most interesting thing about communication is that people usually just express their own opinions, but it sounds as if they are contradicting the opinions of others
Both guys are amazing in their vision look how elon musk start about AI the word I only heard like 1 or 2 years ago hopefully jack ma come back to public again and teach the world more business
Jack Ma... this is painful to watch. Elon is looking embarrassed to even be on stage with him. Most of the crap Ma said makes 0 sense. I feel sorry for Elon. This is crazy.
@@ghgyuyu2962 I'd rather have intelligence and be normal than own some Chinese version of Amazon. It's bold of you to assume I (or people in general) strive to be a billionaire. I personally would rather live a quiet, nice, and low-key life. And not be humiliated on live TV. It's pathetic that you defend a dumbass online, rich or not. Hopefully one day you gain some sort of self confidence.
33:53 I really want to know the general public view on answering this question, I think when this interview came up, people at this time general think that only human can be creative, however if we look at the state of AI now, in some degree, AI have show attribute which we consider creativity (diffusion model as such). So... what do you guys answer to this question?
@William Leonard He's become a billionaire on his financial predictions so that he's the right to say that 99.99% of the prediction that human beings' made are wrong, otherwise everyone could be a billionaire, couldn't they? To be honest, I thought the rate of a successfully prediction should be much lower than 0.01%.
How is Jack Ma a legend? I never heard of him before...I know I'm ignorant about many many many things but ya never heard of him...how did he make his billions? But the WHOLE world knows about Elon and what he's done.
They don't though. There's something called the Dunning-Kruger effect which shows that dumb people will overestimate their own intellectual abilities while smart people will often underestimate their own abilities.
Also mocked him by saying "sounds like some famous last words" like the quote "What are you gonna do, stab me?" -guy who got stabbed. Then at where Jack Ma says "it is impossible for computers to control humans" Elon let's out a loud "HA HA!"
Sigma Republic exactly. this topic is too deep and difficult for him. he is better go for some self-help, self-motivating kind of coaching talk. and alibaba is just a ecommerce platform tbn.
@@ciscobriano no that's not what's going on. I speak fluent Mandarin, and Jack Ma's English is extremely fluent. The problem is his content, the setting of this talk, and the awkwardness of Elon humoring him for unknown reasons (although you can make a good guess)
the issue is this is basically a conversation between a businessman and engineer about engineering. that's like asking a farmer to debate about an open heart surgery with an actual surgeon
@paul w Yup! They really have no intellectual intelligence... Can you please explain to me how the fuck did Elon and SpaceX managed to land a fucking spaceship? And how does the AI system works? How was it invented? What a fucking cringey comment "nO iNtElLeCtUaL iNtElLiGeNcE" stfu
Anym Jack isn’t even a businessman he admitted to have never made a sale in his life. He made his money by seing computers and websites in America and using tech people in china to bring them over. Then the Chinese gov and investors simply used his website and gave him money to build it. He himself has said he was rejected from every other job possible for being useless he just got extremely lucky in a country that needed what he offered based on others peoples hard work
Anym no, there are plenty of forward-thinking businessmen who care enough to learn about the realities of our future in order to influence it through business. The fact that he is a businessman is not an excuse. He just prefers to cover his ears up and ignore the truth.
Nilayan Majumdar Elon might be a little awkward, but he has plenty of emotional intelligence. What drives him in life is a deep care and concern for humanity. Also, he leads two companies with thousands of employees-the vast majority of whom absolutely adore him. You don’t become a beloved leader without emotional intelligence. In fact, in this video alone his EQ skills are clearly apparent. The patience and restraint which he displayed while having to endure a 45min debate on a subject with a person who is clearly ignorant & clueless on the subject is a testament to his emotional intelligence. If it were me, I would’ve gotten up and left 5min into the debate.
Jack ma is a scam artist The Chinese government is behind this You can see this guy contradicting himself multiple times He is just trying to look good to Chinese people (communism at its worst)
The price of getting rich. Alibaba has made a ton of people rich. But anyway, he does want the current culture of having to work a ton to better your life, to stop. And AI is the only way that will happen. The work itself still needs to be done.
Communism cant win if there is opposition of greed and convolution for mass consumerism through liberal capitalism anywhere left in the world Lein knew this, hence the perestroika, china knows this hence the aggressive development and capitalist marketplace within the communist regieme..... Same way as US is printing money out of thin air not being backed by anything physical whilst digitising and gunning for AI, whilst largest inequality and unemployment and incarceration is getting worse, is creating SHIT jobs for people to wage slave to service the debt as inflation and costs of living keep rsing, so is China forced to compete against such evil with aggressive strides. Letting america win with their literal slavery ideologies is going to save humanity, but at what cost?
Actually both companies have very high workload, this might not be a good point here. Jack ma is definitely smart, why he chooses to behave in this way may have some other reasons.
Jack ma is not a tech guy. It seems he's just reflecting traditional Chinese thoughts. I do not intend to disrespect him, but yes he is a business man not a scientist
5:02 Jack- 99.99 percent of human prediction are wrong? Elon- including that one? Jack- o yeah! Audience couldn't understand the Elon's roasted joke, not even Jack ma. Poor Elon had to laugh at his own joke alone.
Cuesta llegar donde algunas personas llegamos no pedimos que sean iguales, solo comprendan porq ya esta ahora escribo normal, la comunicación es primero y el respeto!
Elon Musk: brings an example of chess and alpha go to illustrate how every year the computers are getting smarter. Jack Ma: I don't play chess with a computer
This is why communism is protected by a dictatorship. It couldn't compete with a level playing field of a democracy, competing with other ideas and change. Communism can only destroy freedom of choice. Communism can only enslave people to an ideology fixed in the 19th century.
I think what Jack Ma was trying to say, as shown by his example of a human racing against a car, is that the car runs on something else, and a human runs on legs. Therefore, you should not try to race against a car, as much as you shouldn't try to beat a computer at calculations. These are tools that humans have invented, such as a car, or a machine. In other words, inventing a printer doesn't mean that artists are at risk, cause that printer just "paints" so quickly and accurately, how could artists possibly compete? The problem here is that Jack compares AI to previously invented tools, not acknowledging that it operates differently.
@@johnmcsudden3176 Exactly! Human level intelligence emerged a long time ago, thousands of years ago, long before mechanical or electronic technology emerged. We are just now at the genesis of neural network technology, and it is progressing much faster than biological evolution. The only question is when will the singularity occur?
POR QUÉ HACER UN DEBATE SIN DOS HISTORIAS DIFERENTES DE SUPERACIÓN Y SÍ LLEGARON A UN FINAL FELIZ DE ÉXITO BIEN POR CADA UNO DE ELLOS LES COSTÓ LLEGAR AQUÍ Y ESO ES UNA VICTORIA PERO POR ÉSO TIENEN QUE SER UN EJEMPLO A SEGUIR DE SUPERACIÓN NO UNA COMPETENCIA DE QUIEN PUEDE MÁS
The perfect reflection of the difference between china and usa: - both present at the big table - both having an opinion - both wanting to be perceived as a big player - only one delivering something reasonable
When you watch this you realise the value of a good moderator.
Really good point
Same joni yep. Absolutely. Lol. It did seem like they had something to pull from in front of them at least.
Yep
This is what happens when you leave it to technology
@@bijucyborg What does that have to do with anything, and besides Robots will so every task in about a century or so better then any human ever could.
Elon Musk: logic and facts
Jack Ma: Pinterest quote
To me, both of them are very high-level persons. But today I saw when you put them side by side, it shows true colors.
hahahaha
Other than the view on exploring other planets, Jack Ma is correct on every point. You have to be intellectual and intelligent to understand his points and logic. If you have computer like binary tinkling then it will be extremely hard for you to understands his point.
Elon is a very good scientist and extremely intelligent man but clearly not an intellectual thinker.
Lmfaooo
after watching this i sold alibaba stocks .
Jac ma sounds like chat gpt having a hallucination
This is the best comedy/standup for me. I come back here every time I wanna laugh 😂❤
wait no no 😂😂😂
😂😂😂same here
HHH camon guz
Same. I don't think he had someone to tell him not to do these type of talks. He does now lol.
I can almost see Elon Musk going "What am I doing here?"
Bad Host !!!
Was thinking the EXACT same thing.... I can imagine him walking off the stage thinking, “ WTF just happened?” Hope he didn’t fly half way around the world, just for that event?
Jack Ma is an asshole. He's lucky to be in China.
This is how Elon talks
So true ☝️
Well Elon has shown his class by not telling Jack Ma that he doesn’t have any idea what he is talking about.
I think Elon is saying AI can be dangerous to civilization if there is no love which is true but I think what jack is saying... for example when atom bomb was invented then hydrogen bomb etc etc ppl believe it will destroy the world over.. but humans did not allow it to happen it resisted.. same with AI there is potential to do harm but as humans, but he is optimistic that we will make the right choice,.. if there was a choice between war n peace human will choose peace, thus AI will be used for good. If anything humans as a species will find ways survive
That human capacity that separates Reason from Logic is ironically what Elon seems to deny exists. That emotional component of reason is the key to imagination, a quality AI can never have, but which is crucial for forecasting (or predicting the future). There lies the qualitative difference b/w the human & the AI 'mind'.
@@victorfolayan4729 The "emotional component of reason" is nothing compared to features of AI we cannot even imagine
@@petrulutenco6600 True. But that's neither here nor there. All distant future states of the universe, including the place of humans relative to AI, is beyond our capacity to imagine. That's the definition of mortality. That doesn't change the fact that reason is a higher order phenomenon than logic in the ordering of consciousness (intelligence). Humans have the capacity for reason, AI doesn't.
Victor Folayan It will, sooner than you can imagine
Surprising to see the difference in IQ in these 2 men.
IQ is not all that matter, I bet u can't beat AI in IQ, what's the point?
😂😂 ''can't beat AI in IQ'' nice one.
And level of understanding of science and the world's around
Elon musk is not a physics genius as well. He is a business conman that hires engineers to do the real work for him haha
So, why isn't Musk talking Chinese? Jack Ma is talking English though. And in all honesty, Musk is mumbling a lot. He's not even easy to understand.
And Ma has a good point about going to other planets. It's just about building bigger engines and burning more fuel, while polluting the earth. Musk should be taxed for the damage he does to our climate.
"We're going to Mars" is like "we're building a pyramid". Everybody talks about the result, but the required sacrifices aren't made by the winners. When Musk goes to Mars, he's really doing more damage to our planet than you can imagine.
Ironic, but the West is slways talking about human rights. But Ma is talking about the people, and Musk is the most selfish person on the planet.
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The only correct words from Jack Ma:"I am not a Tech Guy."
cringing the whole time lol
Ba ha ha, I’ve noticed when Elon is holding back he raises one then the other shoulder, just his chin to the side and pulls on the bottom of his coat. It’s his way of not blurting out “you don’t get it you Luddite!”
28:23
Jack said,"China has 1800 new babies born every year."
What?
neither is elon.
I have finished watching this video completely.
(我看完這部影片了)
I am a Taiwanese who cares about the global affairs.
(我是一個關心全球事務的台灣人)
And, sadly, most of my fellow Taiwanese don't really care about the world.
(但是，很不幸地，我大部分的台灣同胞不那麼在意世界。)
Hopefully Taiwan can become increasingly globally-aware and globally-competitive.
(希望台灣可以越來越有全球意識與全球競爭力。)
God bless Taiwan.
(天佑台灣。)
Now i know why jack ma didn't pass the kfc recruitment
Rafee for god sake dude, so hillarious :))
😆😆
Jack Ma: Chicken is just food, so we never get hungry
TRUE
Hahahahahahahaha!!!
This is like witnessing Einstein being interviewed by Beetle Juice
Lmao
🤣💯
😂😂😂
Jack Ma is an ENFP and Elon Musk is an INTJ. Both are different people. Jack Ma is a realist and Elon Musk is an Idealist. Though realism and idealism may often clash with each other, this is what the society needs. Jack Ma believes it's not too late to save the world and we can act right now while Musk believes that we don't have much time and we need to find an alternative for survival.
In all aspects, I support Jack Ma. Cause I also feel just like him. Why spend billions of dollars and wastes lots of precious years to make Mars a suitable place to live while we can save the earth? Why not spend that 1 billion USD to plant millions of trees, clean all the trash and garbages that have been dumped into the oceans and invest it on renewables sources of energy..
If humans want this earth to survive for thousands of years, we have to lower our standard of living.
Completely agree...
Completely agree
Bruh, not even 1% of the world GDP used for space exploration
“Space X has area 59, 8 better than 51”. I love this man
I can't believe no one laughed.
Exacly
@@dudilp3202 lol nerds
@@ZoneZap NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERD!!!!!!
@@ZoneZap Better than being a simp.
I’d pay good money to know what Elon was thinking throughout this debate
Haha nice one
It’s written all over his face
Here it is for absolutely free...Elon thinking "This guy is one dumbass" also "Who the hell put this together"
isnt that quite obvious?
"WE ARE FUCKED"
Elon is a legend. In this interview, you can see he is a very humble person
……..
So humble!!
I pray both of them make the world much better with their ideas and,intelligence.
Jack Ma has inspired me.
He has taught me that when you have money, even if you talk garbage, people will listen.
Raghav Gupta I don’t like the tone and manner Jack is addressing god emperor MUSK
🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I bet he isn’t even paying attention.
You can sense a jealousy and inferiority complex in his body language.
☠️
Idk just a thought, that last one.
@@gotbeef7581 What are they then?
Is this a pop quiz?
I was wondering if anyone else caught that on Elon's face. haha
Now I understand why Harvard rejected Jack Ma 10 times
Thanks for 1 K likes
Help me growing my channel 4
DELARYCOM 😂😂😂😂
Underrated ass comment right here
Not many people can get into harvard anyway...
@@jeremiahwhite2624 10 times rejected 😂😂
But he still got in and became successful. What the fuck did you do with your life? Troll the internet to feel better about yourself.
Jack Ma is a practical guy while Elon Musk is a logical. Jack is confident and articulate in expressing his thought even though he has little idea about the topic. Meanwhile, Elon is really visionary and has in depth knowledge about the topic. So for me, the winner of this debate is Elon Musk.
🤓🤓🤓
Elon Musk is literally me when it comes to holding laugh in serious situations
This debate is a complete waste of time for Elon
I imagine, especially since his 'rise to fame', an ever increasing amount of his time is wasted. Also can't imagine he enjoys that.
Exactly 😂 jack ma already came from Mars
Elon is a complete waste of time.
@@ofensatul Well maybe you should start on something light and easy and work your way up.
Elon: i wanna go home and do some stuff that are going on in my head. I mean what am i doing here?
I really don’t think it was a language barrier. Jack Ma seemed dismissive and patronizing. Elon was actually trying to talk about tangible issues and Jack seemed to be on the don’t worry be happy wagon.
Don't worry, no need to go to THE mars, all that matters if love, no worries about jobs, there will be plenty of jobs, we won't need jobs, I don't worry about what I can't solve, but let me explain that to the guy who can solve them.
@@bellaggio1770 , LOL!
@@bellaggio1770🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Perfect Description. “THE Mars.” 🤣
Jack ma :I don' t understand but look, my feet are dancing
I have seen this debate before... Both have done alot of hardwork and that pays off... The more you work hard the more lucky you get... This is how the world works.
Here is the clear difference between Businessman and innovator, in other words opportunist & futuristic.
dude, you nailed the point so hard!
100 % Spot On
They couldn't be more different
@Irish Kelly His companies past and present are...Paypal, Neuralink, Boring Company, SpaceX, Solar City, and Tesla...just think of how revolutionary each company is/was. He's more innovator/visionary than businessman (but thank god he's still businessman otherwise they would all go bankrupt!)
when Jack is talking Elon makes a funny face like saying he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Jack tried to look at the same level of intelligence that Elon He failed but it was a good try.
Jack Ma: "pee is stored in the balls, and that is my view".
LLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!
Nicee
bytad that made my day!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 winner
Legend
Imagine this two together in a research project
I would pay real mony to watch it as a movie all respect for both but it will be very funny to watch😂🤍🌹
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Jack ma is like your drunk uncle trying to teach you a life lesson. Elon musk is like a robot trying to imitate a human
P.s. thanks for the love guys, really didn't ever imagine that I'd get to 9k likes when I wrote this 😂
on point!
Haha. I love it
total nonsense. Elon Musk is very down to earth. NeuWorld Solutions is like an unfunny guy trying to be funny but ending up being cringe. btfo
Actually Elon sounds like an alien trying to teach earthlings what they don't really know.
Hahahahaa for reals
Jack Ma trying too hard to be a wise philosopher in a discussion about Engineering and Technology.
Akshay Shukla Zizek has left the chat
Hahahahahaha
The most appropriate comment
Akshay Shukla I think that Jack need to improve his English level maybe bcs he is not a native speaker.. he could not understand some joke and word’s meaning Musk said (I think Elon musk his Chinese level was not good as Ma’s English ahh
@General Luise Martinbanger lol he is everywhere in the comment section with same shxxt...
where’s the part where he says his favorite song atm is therapy by mike sherm😂😂
Three years later we are learning that our quality of life is enhanced by leaving the smart phone at home sometimes.
Jack Ma: I'm not scared of AI
Elon: those are like Famous last words
Elon is a savage!
There's really nothing to worry about AI Elon is just acting that we're doomed lol.
@@AllInOne-uy9wm you don't have any idea I swear, IA is damn scary
@@TheTariqibnziyad you couldn't even write AI correctly now I'm the one who have no idea? Lol you've been brainwashed by Elon haha.
@@AllInOne-uy9wm hhh please a typo is the problem now xD, there will be a time were AI will make crazy important decisions, and nothing will garantee that the common man will be at the winning side, cuz he doesn't own the AI, others do.
🤣
Jack Ma probably set back the progress of AGI and Neuralink by atleast 46minutes
Saurav Tomar and 31 seconds
Who knows, maybe that's a good thing. 😂
*at least*
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It’s funny jack ma thinks Elon is equally ridiculous as Elon thinks of what Jack says.
Hahahha😂 0:43 I just didn’t expect this is how these 2 billionaires started their convo in tv
there is a huge intelligence void between those two individual
not even the falcon heavy could cross the intellectual distance to donate some of Elon's brain cells over to the equally empty void between Jack's ears.
Not true! Just knowledge in different areas!
@@LucasRodrigues-ls8re I literally have no idea who this Jack Ma dude is a part from the fact that he's rich and he looked like an idiot in this video.
which is why it's a joke.
There's Always Another Way he’s the founder and CEO of Alibaba
He wasn’t rich! He was fairly poor and rejected from KFC and McDonalds plenty of times, college drop out, and made himself an empire and now it’s the richest man in China!
He’s very smart when it comes to personal life and evolution, business, and philosophy. Just not in tech. Tesla is a total failure as a company.... Elon is not nearly as good in business as Jack but his understanding of tech is far superior
@@LucasRodrigues-ls8re ok we get it you're indoctrinated
Jack Ma is a business man, NOT an engineer. Elon Musk, is an ENGINEER first and then a businessman. My money is on Elon Musk.
god he's not even a business man, he's just an idiot
I don't think Musk is actually an engineer, pretty sure his degrees are in physics and business.
@@user-yv3zk1lk6c he is a billioner meanwhile u calling him idiot when u are poor
Elon holds 2 bachelor’s degrees 1 in physics and 1 in economics.
Tairaa2 I’m not sure about his educational background, but if someone looks like an engineer and talks like an engineer, I have no problem calling him an engineer.
I enjoyed every bit of discussions by these two great men.
"Never saw computer invented human" - jack ma, 2019
That makes sense, actually. People make machines. People made by God
This illustrates the difference between propaganda and intellectual debate perfectly.
Jack: I want chocolate
Elon: chocolate is bad for you because of its high fat and sugar content. Its consumption has been associated with acne, obesity, high blood pressure, coronary artery disease, and diabetes.
Jack: I want chocolate
which is which?
@@danilorbatista Jack Ma literally made up a statistic that 99.99% of all predictions about the future are wrong. He did this, in this video, to denounce the threat of AI. Do you really need to ask which one resulted from a propaganda controled state?
Ugh. Well. You're ugly AND stupid. Congratulations.
Propaganda ? What u talking about?
Bruh Elon was having a conversation with himself the entire time
im legit 12 introverted intuition working
@@tehflooper intj 😎
Yes he just answering his own question all the time very intelligent indeed and jack ma is like Yea whatever carry on i already have my own AI Alibaba intelligence and know how to utilize AI you make it i will make sure I cash out the opportunity in best possible way
@@theai06 he's like yeah, true, now lets talk about something fun.
he was talking with an ai
because ai is dumb
Jack Ma looks so silly here. Elon looks like confused by what Ma have said, but react very politely.
The most interesting thing about communication is that people usually just express their own opinions, but it sounds as if they are contradicting the opinions of others
I get the feeling that when Jack Ma refers to technology and computers, he thinks about his laptop.
lol
Jack Ma has access to more advanced technology than most if not all of Earth.
@@infinitezest3912 thanks to his employees
@@urbanmetal7802 hater, he's a boss and not plugged into the matrix as most.
There is no technology to Jack . To him it’s “tech knowledge”. While he is still learning how to steal IP, technology has already passed him by!
Jack Ma is proof that anyone can be a billionaire.
onidtubes but Elon isn’t
Silas Fruge what? Elon musk has 21 billion u fucking idiot
Especially in china where theres a fuckton of billionaires thats secretly controlls the economy and the govt of Southeast Asian countries
Being a billionaire is the easy part. Becoming though..
@S H don't need too.
Both guys are amazing in their vision look how elon musk start about AI the word I only heard like 1 or 2 years ago hopefully jack ma come back to public again and teach the world more business
I love Jack idea at the end, We need to love us more!
But Elron think of future like 100+ years from now.
Jack Ma... this is painful to watch. Elon is looking embarrassed to even be on stage with him. Most of the crap Ma said makes 0 sense. I feel sorry for Elon. This is crazy.
Elon realized this within probably the first 30 secs
I completely agree
He will reach people he wouldn't have otherwise. People that admire Jack just saw Jack beside Elon.
They took his compagny
Yeah, he had a great idea... doesn't make him a genius like Musk.
How is this guy so rich? He sounds like he would give his bank details to an indian scammer
He looks like the kind of guy that would wash his hands after showering
Dude he sounds like he would put a ruler under his pillow to see how long he slept
He's pretending to be dumb so that the Chinese government don't think he's a threat.
@@ghgyuyu2962 I'd rather have intelligence and be normal than own some Chinese version of Amazon. It's bold of you to assume I (or people in general) strive to be a billionaire. I personally would rather live a quiet, nice, and low-key life. And not be humiliated on live TV. It's pathetic that you defend a dumbass online, rich or not. Hopefully one day you gain some sort of self confidence.
Lol
33:53 I really want to know the general public view on answering this question, I think when this interview came up, people at this time general think that only human can be creative, however if we look at the state of AI now, in some degree, AI have show attribute which we consider creativity (diffusion model as such).
So... what do you guys answer to this question?
waiting for jack ma to say "hey Elon I'm just kiddingi love Mars"😂
People :You need to be smart to become a billionaire.
Jack ma:Hold my brain.
Lmao it’s a joke 😂😂..
Hold my connections.
😂😂😂
Rk Mahib hahahahaha you know alibaba means in arabic😅😅😅👍👍
Rk Mahib lottery hold my odds
Rk Mahib 😂
Jack Ma: 99.99% of human prediction is wrong
Also Jack Ma: spends most of the debate predicting things..
@@elvarbryhni5525 yup some of his points are correct tho based on logic, not really hating the guy but sometimes you can't be great at most things.
@William Leonard 你知道内幕交易吗Do you know insider trading?
@William Leonard He's become a billionaire on his financial predictions so that he's the right to say that 99.99% of the prediction that human beings' made are wrong, otherwise everyone could be a billionaire, couldn't they? To be honest, I thought the rate of a successfully prediction should be much lower than 0.01%.
@@elvarbryhni5525 Damn that's actually deep
John Briggs China is a factory where produce the smart people for this world.
very informative and fruitful debate by two legends
How is Jack Ma a legend? I never heard of him before...I know I'm ignorant about many many many things but ya never heard of him...how did he make his billions? But the WHOLE world knows about Elon and what he's done.
"80% of the statistics are wrong"
Really? No one laughed at that?
nightexe yea that was strange shit.. this little fella so rich people too scared to even laugh lol
@@albertibrahimi6349 You, comrade, how you dare to laught glorious Mr. Ma .
Elon is awesome but he is a terrible public speaker, the timing was off on that joke.
Elon Musk is too smart, people tend to think serious anything he says. I had already believed 80% of the statics are wrong.
But what he said is a statistic so that means that what he said is probably wrong
This is vague speech versus precise knowledge.
I couldn't have put it more succinctly myself.
Kinshu Tiwari Jack Ma just says nonsense ... - „it will help to understand ourself better“ 😂
Musk is kinda hard to understand too, but because he sounds like he’s struggling to dumb down the concepts for jack
Deference between democracy and dictatorship is clear
Jack ma
.. we need more heroes like us😅
Elon lowkey called Jack Ma stupid by saying the biggest mistake smart people make is thinking they are smart
jack ma is a rich idiot change my mind
They don't though. There's something called the Dunning-Kruger effect which shows that dumb people will overestimate their own intellectual abilities while smart people will often underestimate their own abilities.
Also mocked him by saying "sounds like some famous last words" like the quote "What are you gonna do, stab me?" -guy who got stabbed. Then at where Jack Ma says "it is impossible for computers to control humans" Elon let's out a loud "HA HA!"
I don’t think there’s anything low key about it sir
@@emdex618 rich people control the world, so as long as they know how to stay rich, "idiots" will be forced to serve him
Jack Ma shouldn’t even be on this stage with Elon Musk on this particular subject!
Sigma Republic exactly. this topic is too deep and difficult for him. he is better go for some self-help, self-motivating kind of coaching talk.
and alibaba is just a ecommerce platform tbn.
Jack Ma was like, "Elon shall we play hide and run or STONE PAPER SCISSORS"
that chess part was preety good
Jesus that was painful to watch. Props to Elon for remaining civil in the face of such a ludicrous situation.
ludicrous + enabled.
idiot crowd can't even relate any of this shit.. LOL.. no one's laughing,
That’s what happens when communist China backs you up as a friend
James Vince cause he’s speaking about it in a different language than his native tongue. Your special 🤤
@@ciscobriano no that's not what's going on. I speak fluent Mandarin, and Jack Ma's English is extremely fluent. The problem is his content, the setting of this talk, and the awkwardness of Elon humoring him for unknown reasons (although you can make a good guess)
these two men are not on the same level of intellect.
the issue is this is basically a conversation between a businessman and engineer about engineering. that's like asking a farmer to debate about an open heart surgery with an actual surgeon
@paul w Yup! They really have no intellectual intelligence... Can you please explain to me how the fuck did Elon and SpaceX managed to land a fucking spaceship? And how does the AI system works? How was it invented? What a fucking cringey comment "nO iNtElLeCtUaL iNtElLiGeNcE" stfu
Anym Jack isn’t even a businessman he admitted to have never made a sale in his life. He made his money by seing computers and websites in America and using tech people in china to bring them over. Then the Chinese gov and investors simply used his website and gave him money to build it. He himself has said he was rejected from every other job possible for being useless he just got extremely lucky in a country that needed what he offered based on others peoples hard work
Anym no, there are plenty of forward-thinking businessmen who care enough to learn about the realities of our future in order to influence it through business. The fact that he is a businessman is not an excuse. He just prefers to cover his ears up and ignore the truth.
Nilayan Majumdar Elon might be a little awkward, but he has plenty of emotional intelligence. What drives him in life is a deep care and concern for humanity. Also, he leads two companies with thousands of employees-the vast majority of whom absolutely adore him. You don’t become a beloved leader without emotional intelligence.
In fact, in this video alone his EQ skills are clearly apparent. The patience and restraint which he displayed while having to endure a 45min debate on a subject with a person who is clearly ignorant & clueless on the subject is a testament to his emotional intelligence. If it were me, I would’ve gotten up and left 5min into the debate.
It seemed to me a comedy show 😂
wow this was 4 years ago, time flies
i am trying to understand this jack ma person but he must come from a rich family just like elon also but i myself i love working
In the near future, AI will be to humans as Elon is to Jack
hahaha that's so good!
Hahahahaha.
Best comment on here 😂
LOL so true
lol AI will be frustrated by humans then !
Jack Ma, one of the richest man in the world, wasted 47mins of my time.
you became smarter after watching this though
your time is like shit.
Jack ma is a scam artist
The Chinese government is behind this
You can see this guy contradicting himself multiple times
He is just trying to look good to Chinese people (communism at its worst)
@@someonedosomethingunknown You are his time?
@@tupll997 Everybody time is the same. If I say you waste my time, that means I waste your time too. What the hell he thing he is, God?
These two legends are watching the No. 6 or 9 from different prospective.
I like how Elon Musk came on the stage completely confused as to why he's even here lmao
I like how Elon would not sit down until Jack Did witch Is a Sign of respect and I respect that.
It's due to rich people like this that Elon is so worried about AI
@Counterpart 2 You ?
LMAO
😂😂😂aahahaha..hmmrrrghh...I'm literally controlling myself
Counterpart 2 You Jack Ma is a white belt to Elon Musks black belt, as should be evident from this debate.
Absolutely right because they lack respect and dont sense danger
Elon: what my essay sounds like in my head
Jack ma: what the teacher reads
he got a piece of alibaba intelligence
I agree we need to work on making the earth better for all as much as possible
Made in China vs Made in Japan/South Africa
i love how Jack ma talking about more Free time for humans when his workers are working 12 hours per day
ilias xatzopoulos😂😂😂
The price of getting rich. Alibaba has made a ton of people rich.
But anyway, he does want the current culture of having to work a ton to better your life, to stop. And AI is the only way that will happen.
The work itself still needs to be done.
Communism cant win if there is opposition of greed and convolution for mass consumerism through liberal capitalism anywhere left in the world Lein knew this, hence the perestroika, china knows this hence the aggressive development and capitalist marketplace within the communist regieme..... Same way as US is printing money out of thin air not being backed by anything physical whilst digitising and gunning for AI, whilst largest inequality and unemployment and incarceration is getting worse, is creating SHIT jobs for people to wage slave to service the debt as inflation and costs of living keep rsing, so is China forced to compete against such evil with aggressive strides. Letting america win with their literal slavery ideologies is going to save humanity, but at what cost?
ilias xatzopoulos preaching is way easier than following. Jack Ma is just a preacher. My opinion of him changed after watching this interview.
Actually both companies have very high workload, this might not be a good point here. Jack ma is definitely smart, why he chooses to behave in this way may have some other reasons.
Elon musk to Jack ma : dude I’m only listening to ur stupid arguments just because I want to sell Tsla in china
Chinese brain will always be primitive, compared to its Western counterpart.
haha, right, totally.
Piotr Kurczewski that’s how you go about your life?
He obviously doesn't want Tesla in China too badly. He just humiliated the richest dude in the country.
yeye! hard to listen;;; jack’s total shitly talking
i think, this debate telling about how make the Human Being must high priority compare AI or Computer Smart
Jack ma is not a tech guy. It seems he's just reflecting traditional Chinese thoughts. I do not intend to disrespect him, but yes he is a business man not a scientist
5:02
Jack- 99.99 percent of human prediction are wrong?
Elon- including that one?
Jack- o yeah!
Audience couldn't understand the Elon's roasted joke, not even Jack ma.
Poor Elon had to laugh at his own joke alone.
😆
Which one ?
Shaswat what did he mean?
He meant Jack Ma's ignorant statement, and Jack Ma even agreed on that.
0.01 that's the joke
Elon Musk is having a hard time simplifying his arguments so normal people could understand. But I guess that doesn't matter to idiots.
Edgyyyy
@ensayofr true
@@TheZork1995 Learn what edgy means and then start using it
@@crim1188 your comment is cutting edge technology
You need an edgycation
Cuesta llegar donde algunas personas llegamos no pedimos que sean iguales, solo comprendan porq ya esta ahora escribo normal, la comunicación es primero y el respeto!
I can already picture the distinctive mindset between them. One more futuristic and tech oriented, while the other more realist and human.
Elon Musk: brings an example of chess and alpha go to illustrate how every year the computers are getting smarter.
Jack Ma: I don't play chess with a computer
Jack Ma was so ignorant and arrogant
This is why communism is protected by a dictatorship. It couldn't compete with a level playing field of a democracy, competing with other ideas and change. Communism can only destroy freedom of choice. Communism can only enslave people to an ideology fixed in the 19th century.
That was actually one of his better arguments
I think what Jack Ma was trying to say, as shown by his example of a human racing against a car, is that the car runs on something else, and a human runs on legs. Therefore, you should not try to race against a car, as much as you shouldn't try to beat a computer at calculations. These are tools that humans have invented, such as a car, or a machine. In other words, inventing a printer doesn't mean that artists are at risk, cause that printer just "paints" so quickly and accurately, how could artists possibly compete? The problem here is that Jack compares AI to previously invented tools, not acknowledging that it operates differently.
@@johnmcsudden3176 Exactly! Human level intelligence emerged a long time ago, thousands of years ago, long before mechanical or electronic technology emerged. We are just now at the genesis of neural network technology, and it is progressing much faster than biological evolution. The only question is when will the singularity occur?
Jack ma is just a rich dude who has a successful business selling stuff. Elon is a visionary guy with a much better insight into the future.
Jack Ma is a visionary too, please go research a bit more about his career
To say that Elon has a much better insight into the future means you have a great insight into the future otherwise how would you know?
Check out Andrew Yang! Elon supports yang
Maeu Daou he's south African
Elon is an inventor, Jack Ma is a business man who can manage many employees
POR QUÉ HACER UN DEBATE SIN DOS HISTORIAS DIFERENTES DE SUPERACIÓN Y SÍ LLEGARON A UN FINAL FELIZ DE ÉXITO BIEN POR CADA UNO DE ELLOS LES COSTÓ LLEGAR AQUÍ Y ESO ES UNA VICTORIA PERO POR ÉSO TIENEN QUE SER UN EJEMPLO A SEGUIR DE SUPERACIÓN NO UNA COMPETENCIA DE QUIEN PUEDE MÁS
Elon: Is this dude high?
Elon Musk is trying hard not to roll his eyes every time Jack Ma talks 😂
😂
😂😂😂
not hard enough:)
Jack ma just demonstrated on a public world stage why you should not trust his opinion in any way.
lol this
Lol
Lol
So true.
This is much misunderstood each other than a new relationship/Marriage 😂
Man can create another man it takes 18 years and 9 months
looks like KFC dodged a bullet by not hiring this guy
😆
😂😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bahaha true. That pr guy sure did his job.
Lol
Elon: 80% of statistics are false
Jack ma: Yes
Crowd: ....
Elon : it's a JOKE !!
@Mani Veiszadeh yes it is
SIKE THAT'S THE WRONG NUMBER
Very funny joke
There is something subtle about delivering this joke; should be "80% of statistics are *made up*... on the spot..."
@Mani Veiszadeh feel the 80 here, it's a double meaning
Thank you for interesting debate🌏
This video never gets old lmao
All the respect I had for Jack Ma is gone
😂lol we are same i think he is drunk that day bro maybe
Same
E X A C T L Y
come on, when u become successful like him, u just try to pretend u are smart.
Jack Ma level of mentality was way to far to Elun. What a waste of time for Elon talking to this arrogant bussiness man.
Level1 player and level 99 player talking about the game they play
Haha ,And level 1 player only play online money game
It's like a person is playing mario and another is pro player of pubg😂😂
ignorant human v/s clever AI
Human intelligence is like compound interest. We just didn't get in early enough and stay in the game.
The perfect reflection of the difference between china and usa:
- both present at the big table
- both having an opinion
- both wanting to be perceived as a big player
- only one delivering something reasonable
This is the most awkward thing I've ever seen.
Have you never seen an elephant fuck a turtle?
@@DTR89 hahaha!
They don’t really get his awkwardness is supposed to be laughed at
Bro, I could barely get past 4 seconds...
They scientists not popularity figuers