The 1987 Jaguar XJ6 - An AFFORDABLE Classic (Review and Drive)
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- This classic 1987 Jaguar XJ6 is the final Series 3 XJ6 and one of the last of the truly vintage Jaguars. The prices on these cars are still very reasonable and they offer vintage British luxury driving at an affordable price.
This is the official project car of the Heavy Metal Horizons channel and I'll be making a series of videos about this car as I fix the various problems that it currently has, as well as make a few period correct upgrades!
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You looked fantastic driving this classic, many will agree with you on how it's not speedy, but anyone who has driven one far any length of time, ya know there's so much to love about these beauty's, they're luved truly like the fur babies that let them escape reality if only for a minute, you will become one with that beautiful wood & leather ppl mover in no time ❤
France here. I own a 1987 xj12. Same gorgeous looks as the 6 cyl. The v12 brings you 295hp. It's all about wafting along. Some say these cars are notoriously unreliable. That reputation is often due to neglect by previous owners as these are complicated cars that need preventive maintenance. Great video Max.
I'm a proud owner of a series lll 1986 Jaguar XJ-6 of which is my project car that could use some work, and that's the fun of it and for the most pair I have a rust problem
that's common to this car, so that'll be happening this summer now that 'll have some additional time on my hands. And I love my Jaguar....
Congrats! Sounds like a great project.
I have just imported a series 3 V12 1992 from Japan, less than 25k on the clock and to all intents and purposes , brand new . However , things are not exactly cheap. The car cost £10k and it came with all Japanese road legal requirements that had to be changed . Speedometer , radio, correct air conditioning gas and other items . It cost me approx another £5k to get the car sorted but it was worth every penny . Modern Jaguar owners just stare open mouthed at it and wonder why their latest epace is like a shopping trolley compared to the magnificent series 3 .
A '92? Wow! The final year for the body style! Do you have any pictures posted? I would love to see it. Congratulations.
Excellent review, thank you - well researched & presented. I own one of these, a low mileage, immaculate V12 version, badged as Daimler Double Six. It cost me £12k, which is about $16k (in Jan 2020), and it's really worth paying up for a good one, in my opinion, as repairs can be costly. So I wanted to buy one that had everything fixed already, or was in such good original condition that it didn't need any repairs (e.g. the interior is almost as new, in my 30-year old Daimler).
People think these are big soft barges, but they really aren't. I recommend replacing all the suspension & steering bushes, and the dampers, then the car will drive how it was when new - and they're incredible - the most precise steering you can imagine, it goes exactly where it is pointed, and the ride is comfortable but firmer than you might think. Overall, the car feels perfectly balanced, and you can drive it quite fast on twisty roads, with complete confidence. These are not luxury limos, they were designed for the driver who wants to press on, and eat up the miles as quickly as possible.
As for the styling - I completely agree with you - this is possibly the most stylish, classic design of all time, for a 4-door saloon car. I remember when the series 3 came out in 1979, and I dreamed about owning one, and now I do! (plus a 4.0 XJS convertible, which is nice, but a bit under-powered).
Thank you! And congrats on your V12 model. That is certainly a cut above the more pedestrian inline 6 versions like mine. After a few more repairs I'm looking forward to taking mine on a nice long highway trip.
@@HeavyMetalHorizons Awesome, good luck! It's great to see younger people appreciating the classic Jaguars (and pronouncing the name correctly LOL! Only joking LOL!). For $2500 bucks, you seem to have got a lovely usable classic. Also, they waft along, and are quicker than you think, once you get onto an open road. 120 mph is very quick by 1980s. Enjoy her, and I look fwd to more videos.
Detail points - the US headlights are much smaller on the outside. UK headlights are bigger, hence no gaps.
As you said, the US bumpers have an extra rubber bit added, the UK bumpers are flush with the chrome bumper. AS REQUIRED BY us LAWS AT THE TIME.
Anyway, thanks for a great video, ur a natural presenter - relaxed & knowledgable.
In the words of Jeremy Ckarkson of TG -"STOP,showing hardcore porn before the 9pm watershed". That's what he'd say about ANY stylish and sexy car that was on TG .
The Jaguars s1-s3 are classic and atylish cars that stood out in an era of some VERY beautiful cars. Today ,the XF/XJ/F-Type are great looking cars which WILL go down as the ,E-Type has as 'Automotive Art'.
I have a 1975 Jaguar XJC 4.2 and a 2010 XF and i sometimes put them side by side and appreciate their aesthetic beauty because they are without question gorgeous cars from ANY angle and were deliberately styled to be so. You have bought a stylish European car that can be dustinguished and recognised just by its silhouette -NOT AN EASY FEAT IN TODAYS GREY AND BLAND WORLD IF 'AUTOMOTIVE ❤WHATEVER'.
Good for you ,because you've recognised style and panache ,because you have a Jaaaaaaaaag !!.❤
I drooled over these growing up. I'm on the hunt to buy one now, hence I found this video.
I love mine! The prices aren't too bad on them, even nice ones. Go for it!
Amazing! So good to see a video on this
Thanks! Yeah, it was overdue for a video. Finally got it out!
I was waiting for you to review this car since I saw it in an earlier video. It looks excellent I am looking forward to seeing the project progress.
Thanks! This will be a lot of fun.
Congrats on the cool car Max. Looking forward to some video updates on it.
Thanks! Will do!
I've always loved this car. Such a classy beast.
Thanks!
I own a 1986 xj6 series III with a corvette engine. Had it for over 16 years and love my car. Your video is most interesting and answers questions I have had. I bought it used and have been enjoying restoring it. I hope to watch more of your videos.
Thanks for watching! That Vette powered XJ6 sounds fantastic.
Interesting video and a great Jaguar. I am in the UK and adore Jaguar's.
The bonnet of every Jaguar but in particular the Mk10/420G, XJ Series 1, 2, 3, X300 XJ, X308 XJ and X350 XJ is a truly brilliant view to look out onto. In my previous XJ Series 2's, when it was raining and you pull up at a red traffic light the steam the use to gently rise of the bonnet was so cool to see. Not that the car was overheating, just like when you see mist lifting off a river early in the morning, a beautiful sight.
Happy to sub for Jagguar content!
Great review
I hope you make more videos of it's hidden functions & the tuning stuff
Great review and full marks for pronouncing Jaguar properly. 👏👏👏👏
Thanks! 🙂
I am a semi retired Jag mechanic. I only work on sports cars to 1974, XJS to 1990. and XJ-6 to 1987. You have two choices as i see it: keep the car and don't put too much money in it and enjoy it, or learn how to work on it yourself, and improve it as you enjoy it. I would charge abut 5 grand to get this car of yours up to snuff. I work on vintage Jags the same reason that John Dillinger robbed banks--because that's where the money is. Again, do it yourself. Plenty of free videos on how to work on these vintage Jags, which do not need any special tools to do so. Good luck and I enjoyed your video.
Thanks Chris! Question: Why do you stop the XJS work at 1990, when the model still went on for a few years after that? Did that car change that much?
UK here. I am glad to see that you are saving a Cat....I had 3 here but they prefer the warm weather...well done "
My father owned a 1962 MG, MGA 1600 mrk II about 35 years ago. Your telling the list of the various issues of your Jaguar remined me of a joke one of the MG clubs my father belonged to had put in several of their newsletters. "Why do you think the British quit manufacturing televisions? They never could engineer a way to make them leak fluids.".... That joke came from a Brit by the way. Enjoyed the video, and I look forward to seeing what you do with your prize Jag. William C. central Indiana.
I owned a 1986, Black, Biscuit Leather inside, Wire Wheels. All you said, is true, that road feeling, man, not even newer Jaguars have that feeling.
There it is!!! (Finally found it!!)
Love it. I bought an 86 xj6 series 3 in June 2020 for $1k. It is rougher than this one but a joy to drive and it has been reliable despite some quirks. Like you said it’s a great escapade pod from daily life problems when you can just find some time to enjoy the ride. Best thing I have done so far is to replace the horrible stock steering wheel. Totally improves the driving feel/experience
Remove the badges on modern cars and very few folks could tell you the maker. Everyone knows a classic Jag.
That's a great point! That's one of the many things I love about this car... the distinctiveness.
Except if it's wearing a Daimler badge 😮
Nice! I have had three Jags I leased a 94 XJ6, bought a 1998 XJ8L and now drive a 2003 Vanden Plas. Very affordable cars when you buy them pre owned and very reliable. The lease Jag I never spent a dime on the 98 I only had to replace an alternator and wheel bearing the same cost of repairing a Ford Taurus! My 2003 I had to do an alternator and just last week I did the water pump and all the coolant hoses, cross over and thermostat housing all for around $200.00 less the cost of the anti freeze and gasket sealer etc. I got my newer Jags because the resemble the older ones with the 4 headlights, leaper on the hood, I wish they kept the two gas caps in the back that is my only complaint. 2003 being the last of the all steel Jags and the last that really looked like the older ones!
Makes me feel confident in buying my new project car
OK Max, what you said about the ride of the XJ-6 is exactly on point. Roll up those windows and everything outside is locked out, it cruises so nicely. If you ever have a chance to drive an XJ-S V12, take it. I got to drive a few of them back in the late 1980's. All I can say is, what a cool driving car. Enjoy the ride and working on it.
Thank you! I'd love to drive a XJS V12... A Lister XJS is definitely a dream car of mine!
That dual fuel tank setup is what stopped me from buying one. I read a post a long time ago and it stated that Jag, or someone came up with a counting tube to join the fuel tanks. You had to fill real slow to get both tanks.
Always loved the old Jags, even the early 2000's XJR models were fun, but you can't beat the beautiful styling of the older ones.
I own 4 of XJ6 Series III, they are superb, waiting to buy extra 2 in addition, my wife loves them and they are sweet on road.
I completely agree!
I actually just bought a beautiful barn find myself, 1986 xj6 vander plas. Just absolutely beautiful. These cars are just amazing to drive and you nailed it on the head saying driving one locks out the rest of the world lol
@XJR6 The crazy part is how easy they really are to work on. There's nothing like driving a classic
@XJR6 yup this one's my daily lol. A great head turner
Saw one of these at a junk yard today. Probably the most beautiful care ever
It's a shame to see them abandoned! I'm glad I have this one.
Hi from Sydney , Australia , I have recently sold to a mate, my 1974 series1 long wheelbase XJ6 I owned it near 40 years. Series i's had the tall diecast brass & chromed front grill & the low set steel slim line bumper. I bought it with 18,200 miles on it , was a custom ordered & built car , when i sold it just a couple of years back it had 179,000 miles on it , :- re reliability ONCE in november 1982 I called the auto club it didn't want to start , ISSUE , when I pushed the shifter into park , the wire plug connector came off the park/neutral inhibitor switch. I drove it on holidays with absolute confidence around this huge country. Everything worked , I loved it & looked after it well. The frenchman whom ordered it new requested the prior Jag MK10 triple SU carby set up , Aussies had no smog nor pollution laws back then so it was a full power export spec car, with the extra carby & the factory high output bronze head , it put out 296 hp direct from factory , so a good 100 plus more than your car, so mine was quick. In the last 14 months of series 1 production the long wheelbase car was introduced & in all variants mere 2600 body shells created , out of 98,000 series 1's in total, so a rare car , by series 3, all 3's were on the 4" longer LWB platform. All series 1,2, & 3 Jags drive like no other car, when new ex-factory there were extra handling packages that could be spec'd when ordering the car new , or , added later. Additionally there were a bunch of various automatic's that could ne ordered , the one in your car the BW 66 was base spec , additionally you could have a GM thm400, or a Borg Warner type 12A this was a kind of mix of a C4 & C6 in "ford speak" but came with all the internal goodies from the factory , ie, manualised, stall converter kit , etc etc. This the 12A was premium version & what was fitted to the most powerful early V12's in the series 3 e type Jags. Good luck with your project these are vastly undervalued cars, sadly because of this the financial incapacity of some owners would help in the loss & destruction of these Jags. I still own the "father" of this car , a 1967 MK10 /420G, all series 1,2 & 3 XJ6's were basically a cost cut lighter version of the MK10 first introduced in late 1961, the xj was shortened made slightly more narrow & with bolted on front fenders , whereas the MK10's were longer , wider , heavier , and featured fully welded on front fenders & nose cone, plus a cast steel bolt on front subframe (to carry/mount engine steering & suspension to) , rather than the cheaper pressed steel version of XJ6 , in 10 years Jaguar made 24,000 MK10 variants , however in XJ 1 & XJ 2's Jaguar made over 10 times that amount , so the xj series was Jaguars first real attempt at true mass production. Although he 6 cylinder version of the series 3 XJ finished in 1987 , the final V12 series 3 XJ left the factory in late 1992, and even more amazing , the huge Daimler DS420 Limousine based on a longer chassis/subframe pressing of the MK10 also left the Jaguar factory in late 1992, it also used the same 4.2 litre engine as your car, the DS420 had been in series production since june 1968 , with basically just front & rear bumper upgrades, this was the last car to use the 6 cylinder Jag XK engines , made from 1948 to 1992. As an aside , here in Australia , some owners have retro fitted the earlier slim line chrome bumpers to their s3's , dumping the heavy crash bumpers in favor of the much prettier slim line steel ones front & rear , then fitting the matching slim line front under bumper indicator & parking light assemblies same as fitted to the euro & Aussie S2's , where as stateside on the series 2 xj's again you had the big chunky crash bumpers, so with the fine slim line bumbers the car than looks like a real 190's classic car . Again , good luck with your car.
Thanks for all the great info!!
Had a series 3 xj6 and an 5.3 Xj12 in the 80's, and a XJ8 4.0 up until 2 years ago.
Love Jaguars!
The xj300 series still the prettiest sedan ever made, the supercharged 4.0 or 4.2 350 series is VERY fast.
Nice and informative video. Please do a follow up on your repairs and restoration . I also own an 1987 XJ6 as well. Great stylish design cars. All the best!
Sure thing!
It’s beauty. Nice post.
Thank you very much!
I Love heavy metal and I love Jags, Subscribed! (i have a 2005 xj350, cracking car)
Excellent! The 2005 has the all aluminum body yes?
@@HeavyMetalHorizons It does, yes, much lighter, and no rust! which is great for England.
Jaguar make some pretty nice cars. Congratulations!
Thanks!
Now that's a stylish car!
I agree!
Stunning car.
Thank you!
I had one of these cars back in the 90s, it was black and very classy. Everything worked but what I didn't know when I bought it was that it was involved in a rear-end collision that resulted in the car having a clip put on. From the looks, there was almost no way of knowing until the rear tires wore out rather fast. After buying 2 sets of rear tires I took it to a body shop to check the straitness of the body(frame) that's when I found out about the crash and how badly it was fixed. Sad to say I got screwed and let the car go for near to nothing as a donor car. But I remember how cool it was.
That's really unfortunate. A friend of mine bought the V12 model about 10 years ago, and he was really lucky. He paid 2800, drove it for about year or two, and then resold it for over 3000. So he basically just paid the repairs for the experience of driving one of these for a while.
Thanks my friend I just make a deal for a jaguar today for one thousend dollars only problem is oil leak but is fixeble.thanks for the video that make me dicide to buy it
Max,
I owned a Jag and I loved it. Very expensive to fix and not very good on gas no matter the year. Electrical engineering on the car was bad during the before Ford owned years.
Love it!
Pure class.
amazing car really suits you dude
Glad you think so!
Classic late 60's vibe.
I just bought a 87Jag and am waiting for delivery from the west coast. The car has 90 miles and has been gone through completely. I paid $6000 for it. Lucky me!!!
Excellent! I think you will love it. You got a great deal.
the mark 3 was featured in the white snake clip back in the '80
I am too lazy to learn the new technology of the 6 liter V-12 from the 5.3 V-12, and the new 6 cylinder engine. Both of which, the 6 liter and the 6 cylinder, required new proprietary tools. I actually started my Jaguar journey on Mark 1's and XK-120's. I am a relic of Jaguars gone by. Sincerely, Christopher Charles.
That makes sense. Thanks for the reply!
I had an 88XJ6 well it was my mom that she sort of gave to me and I have had many BMWs from convertibles, small ones /big ones to Mercedes, infinity, and that old Jag was my favorite…. Just imagine being a teenager in a small town driving that. One day I would like to purchase another one I love that old design from the 80s but I may have to sacrifice that to get a little more modern and no problems at a good price.
The 90s XJ6 and XJ8 still have *some* of the style, with a lot more modern comforts!
You got that car for $2,500!!!!!!?????? Jesus. I paid too much for mine but damn, you got an fantastic deal if it was a truly running, driving car when you got it.
Thank you! They have gone up in price, just in the last couple years. I feel lucky I got this one! I just drove it today.
Nice car, lots of work though!
My dad had a 85 xj6 like this and I loved it unfortunately he had to sell it as it was becoming to much work to maintain
I've had 2 series 3 4 2's one auto the other manual , the manual car was really fast compared to the auto , should of kept that one, but for $2500 , it's a cheap price seen as it's a solid old girl , thanks for sharing your nice car , and may you improve it to a good standard to keep another one on the rd
Yeah, I'd love a manual of course but they're so hard to find now. Imagine a manual V12 XJS.
Oh wow they were really chocked in the US they made about 220hp over here in the UK
Here I go again on my own...🎸🎤
What the hell youtube unsubed me from this channel. C; if u are ever in Vegas I have a zo6 you can review
First thing you should do, is check and retorque (maybe even overtorque) headbolts. If headgasket goes, it's downhill from there. Otherwise very reliable engine if you can get rid of oil leaks :) I have 1986 JX6 and it's been quite an adventure. Something that looks easy, actually is very hard to do, because bolts are impossible to reach and stuff like that. AC unit has it's own fuse that is also connected to AC compressor clutch. If that fuse is gone, nothing on AC unit works.
Thanks for the tips! I'll check that fuse on the compressor!
Where's exactly the AC fuse located, my AC is not working well
@@mikegaUnder (or inside, cant remember) glowbox there is fusebox. One of those fuses controls all AC functions including blower motor.
I've owned my '94 XJ40 since 2007. I had my eyes on these series III cars but there are few things that put me off. Less performance, 3 speed transmission, inboard rear brakes, no airbags but I admit these series III XJs are the most beautiful Jaguar sedans. My XJ40 is a base model, regency red with barley interior. How are the exterior door handles holding up on these cars? All 4 broke on mine. Bought 3 extra, two of them broke then I said f@ck it and I reinforced them and now they're all good. Cracked solder joints are responsible for the electrical issues. Easy fix. Try putting ATP AT205 in the oil. Helped the rear main seal in mine. I also prefer the '80s old school Heavy/Power/Thrash stuff. Started growing my hair in 2013. Yeah, good times.
I was going to ask... what sort of electrical issues have you had with the XJ40? Do they deserve the "electrical gremlin" reputation that they have?
@@HeavyMetalHorizons Hello! My car doesn't have too much Lucas stuff but a lot of Bosch. There are several relay modules throughout the car. They are in a rectangular black plastic housing. The printed circuit board can be removed and the solder joints reflown. They cause non operating electric seats, radio, etc. I also removed the fuse boxes from the L and R footwells to redo the solder joints. The XJ40s have two a/c blowers under the dash. If one is not working then it's probably a darlington transistor or in my case it was a cracked solder joint of the B4 fuse in the left fuse box. I didn't spend a lot of money to fix these issues. In the earlier models that have half analogue half digital cluster those suffer from cracked joints and don't display correctly. Also all the ground points are worth checking. Looking forward to see more of your project.
Thanks for the info! I'm fairly handy with a solder iron so hopefully that will help!
Great car. What color did Jaguar call this particulair example?
Wow beauyful 🤗
I wanted a Jag XJ6 since they were new, and I was a new driver..... once I pay off this one, I think I'ma look.....
And three of them got all three for $500 and did mine at work and they run
O boy ! Wait till you have to take the rear suspension out to replace the rear calipers and rotors but it’s a labor of love,, it’s like having a beautiful woman she sitting with you but her eyes are on the door😎
I like the analogy!
I need the old/new shapes
is this car worth upgrading/modding i really want to know
Not fast? Def Not stock but these are slept on for builds, take the hoonigan drift jag review, im currently building practically the same car and they pushed out 420hp on the stock engine✌️
Don’t forget the 2jz is also an i6
I watched this because a friend is trying to sell me his. Its an 85 but hasn't moved in 8 years. I need something to work on but I'm not sure about this one. It wasn't getting gas from the tanks and he couldn't figure it out. I'm sure I can fix it but IDK. I offered him $400, he came back with 5 and I'm on the fence.
If the body is in good shape I would go for it! Fuel problem could be the fuel pump in the truck.
@@HeavyMetalHorizons Just bought it. Talked to his brother and turns out he drove it 5 miles 3 months ago. I thought it hadn't moved in 8 years. Radiator leaks, tranny line leaks, and someone stole the radio. He got it running by putting a boat tank in the trunk.
Body is surprisingly good. When a car sits it goes here in PA. There must be an 8th inch of undercoating on it, which I think saved it.
Looks like I got a project. Be careful what you wish for.
they are a real nice looking car.
I bought an '85 last week
'for the Chevy engine/trans
o no - O No - OOOO NOOOOOOOO
it's going in my '75 sedan
o yes - O Yes - OOOO YESSSSSSSSSS
Congrats!
You got a jaaaaaaaggg
Is that Anaheim?
So this is what Matt Hardy is up to these days.
Highly under valued cars.. Look for a Barn find series 2 XJC 4.2 Pillarless 2 Door coupe for a great investment ( seriously sort after in europe.)
Max.. buy some leather feed spray & a bottle of leather dye for the interior its a easy DiY job & will totally transform the seats
I'm looking for a XJ12 coupe as an investment. These cars at some point will seriously appreciate in value (they already started to rise noticably, 10 years ago you could find a nice one for under 5000, now you need to spend 10-15 for a regular XJ12 in good condition. The V12 version was built in much smaller numbers than the E-Type...
@@AAWT hi yes they were also know as the 6 plus 6 in the uk
Yeah they are quite rare cars for a reason , Break down alot, dont drive well & very greedy on fuel
I find it odd that anybody would call this a slow car. I mean it’s not fast as in properly fast, but it will still destroy plenty of modern econo boxes. The UK version was rated 205bhp interestingly. Not idea why this is only 176
Don't get me wrong, I love this car. But I don't think anyone could seriously call this fast. Top speed of 116. 0-60 in 11 seconds (at best, some listings are over 12). Which modern econo boxes would this destroy? It's hard to find any modern car that isn't faster than this. Anyway... my point is that this car is still wonderful despite being slow. It'll take you longer to reach your destination, but you will enjoy the journey more.
@@HeavyMetalHorizons I think your doing well to just stand your ground and move on concerning the fast/slow argument. We XJ6 owners are VERY BIASED toward all the negatives of the car. I own a beautiful 1984 British Green Series 3. The truth? Poor corroded electrical connection’s and, by majority standards, the car is kinda slow regarding acceleration. Jaguar made it clear in the booklets, IT DOESN’T ACCELERATE, IT ADVANCE’S!! In all fairness, it was never advertised as a Fast, Sporty 4000lb Sedan. There! An owner said it. Good luck with your experience with a fine example of British engineering and styling.(minus this LUCAS guy and HIS electronics🤣)
@@anthonym3769....The versions sent to the U.S were strangled by emission regulations. The zero to sixty times are actually around eight seconds, and top speed is around 125 - 130 region.
Get yourself some Dayton Jaguar chrome wire wheels, and absolutely get rid of those hideously defacing dealer applied horizontal rubber and chrome bumper strips stuck across the body exterior of all four doors, and don’t destroy the cool look of the interior with one of those out of place, ugly wood rim steering wheels. Keep that original leather wrapped one. If you want to do something to enhance it, I’ve seen where the top third of the rim was replaced with wood that matched the wood accents on the interior. It looked like the factory had designed it that way - quite a stunner.
im looking ha
Where are the rear headrest
Put 1k in to fixing all those leaks
At least that much!
We can make it fast with nitrous.
I love nitrous but I think we could kiss the transmission goodbye if I did that!
Gorgeous car, needs an LS.
Defeats the point it's all about smoothness and the XK6 engine is very smooth and reliable
First job is to replace all the fuel hoses.....
The european version does not have this terrible extended bumber. You should really replace it 🤢😅
I will if I can find the right parts!
Don't change the steering wheel it will look crap.
What if I replaced the steering wheel with one from an older model XJ?
If you make that change of steering wheel to a wood and aluminion one, you'll completely ruin the look of the car. These are not boy racer jobs, they are comfortable cruising saloons. Your idea is, am sorry to say, trashy and vulgar.
This is not a luxury classic car😳
This is an ancient pile of scrap metal🤣🤣🤣
A classic luxury car is a Rolls Royce, Maybach or Aston Martin😎
Jaguar has never been and never will be a luxury car🤣🤣🤣👎👎👎
You don’t have the faintest idea what you are talking about. The Queen drove these personally for twenty years. All of the British Prime Ministers were driven around in them over the same period. I rest my case. You don’t have a single clue sir.