First Focal Plane Vs Second Focal Plane, which is better? With Jim Gilliland and Jason Wilson.
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- First Focal Plane Vs Second Focal Plane, which is better? With Jim Gilliland and Jason Wilson.
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Clear as mud.
WELL, NOW I'M THOROUGHLY CONFUSED
What I got from that was,
if I constantly wanted to do math under stress then I should purchase a SFP scope instead of the simple, plug and play FFP scope.
Timothy Haskell lol. And I don’t like math so ffp for me as well
Correct ffp scopes are the future.
@@experienceprecision5406 we had ffp's back in the 50's by the 60's they figured out how to get rid of the junkers, they are worthless for normal hunting , so if you want to regress 60 years fine.
not if you shoot in close cause you can't even see the ffp crosshairs on most scopes
@@airpower7692 i own 20 scopes 5 are ffp scopes dedicated for long range. The other 15 are sfp for hunting and plinking and my sfp scope except for 3 are low powered.Every gun like every scope has a place ffp scopes even the high end ones are a bear to see at low power and at high power looses alot of the recticle thats why high end ffp scope come illuminated. I say buy both and move them around based on your needs but both ffp and sfp scope the center remains true at all ranges.
if you are in jam and in hurry, and have to take down a target at distance - 1st focal
if you are a silent killer waiting to take down a target at distance - 2nd focal
Another way to put it
If you like automatic transmission - 1st focal
if you are a manual guy - 2nd focal
You are 100% wrong at a long distance the ffp will cover up a small target, they are worthless which is why they got rid of them 60 years ago
@@robertboyd3863 also people forget sfp the center stays true no matter what power your in.
@@diawaprolite7967 Probably true, few understand it very well
well that told me nothing
I prefer FFP. Seems to be the best for tactical applications.
Big Dee coming from.................an idiot! What a twat you are!
Yes, like when there is way too much going on at the time to stop and do math in your head.
I know this is a old video,,, but from my experience,,, I think the manufacturers do these things on purpose to make precision shooting as complicated as they can make it to confuse the American public on how easy long range shooting actually is....
The best advice I could give a person wanting to get into precision shooting is,,,,, Buy a fixed power scope and make sure the reticle and the turrets are the same measurement... And dont buy cheap.. spend the extra cash up front.. SWFA SS series is an excellent budget scope.. Then save your money for a Kestrel 5700 series.. you will be light years ahead of the joe schmoe using a blister pack scope...
thing is you have to know you gun and you scope it's called practice
This video sold me on the SFP
@Big Dee Who you calling an idiot?
I'll just stick with good ole Kentucky Windage, it's worked for hundreds of years and doesn't require a degree in mathematics to hit your target ....
ffp. A good scope shows your mil-dots in the angle they will really bo; the amount of error. Holdings can be modifies by .2 .2 .8 etc using the mil dots. The cheaper scoped use sfp, not the other way around.
FFP were a pos 60 years ago for normal hunting, which is why they got rid of them
A first focal plane sucks for normal hunting, that was a problem that was cured in the late 50's they all used to be first and were worthless by the 60's most had went to 2nd
Thanks Jim.
Why are there so many scopes with MOA turrets and mildot reticles? Nuts.
I run Mil reticle and MOA turrets. Im used to the MOA adjustments and my rangefinder is in yards. I just prefer the mil dot reticle. I never range with my reticle or do anything that makes me have to do the conversion
Wow, second guy was confusing. Why not just say that reticle stays the same and hold-overs have to be recalculated if you're at anything but max power.
Ask Lowlight on sniperhide he is the world's best scope expert just ask him.
Great now I have to spend an extra 100 dollars to get the same scope just in FFP
So if your hunting paper at no more than 200 yards with 22LR to learn Mil RAD which would you prefer to a newbie
Second focal plane is essentially that you have to have your scope at specific power to actually measure your target with your mil dot so that you can figure out your distance and adjust your moa so you can accurately shoot. FFP you can zoom in to whatever and measure with your mil dots. The further out the more accurate you need to measure the size of target. Otherwise your moa will be off.
@Kitty Animz map ?
@Kitty Animz good to know I'm trying the ffp for a change in pace I'm bored with sfp hunting /LR want to try something new for a change. I dont bash anything till I give it a year of all scenarios. Thanks for reply
@@MaxMerlin504 FFP hides the Prairie dogs at high power. On SFP I have time to do the minor calculations.
@@davisgunner6687 I'm just using FFP for hog hunting /deer
@@MaxMerlin504 I had the ffp back in the 50's when that was all they had, by the 60's they had got rid of the worthless junk .
he looks like a miniature Steven Seagal
I have NEVER met a guy that measure distance to target with the reticle while hunting!!!!!!
How many hunters have you met? Is it a significant percentage of all hunters in the country? If not, then who you have or have not met doesn't matter.
me either, simply buy a rangefinder, much quicker, and ffp sucks for normal hunting
@@KurNorock Everyone I hunt with simply uses a range finder,
@@robertboyd3863 So your group of friends represent all hunters in the country?
@@KurNorock Probably not, but I daresay we know a bit more about it than you do, and at least such shooting greats as Jim carmichel etc. agree with me, if you have kept up with them over the years
Darth Vader behind the camera....
My biggest question is this: I’ve been told that second focal plane reticles shift point of impact when you change magnification settings.
I was told that once I site in a rifle with my scope at max magnification I have to leave it at that setting or I’ve just thrown my scope off target.
Is that true? If so, it defeats the purpose of buying a scope with different magnification settings.
Some moron told you wrong
I prefer SFP scopes for various reasons and go figure, i don't shoot PRS. Also, ranging is NOT an advantage of a FFP over a SFP scope. When the hell would you range anything while not on max power?
MattypPhil, ranging something while needing to keep an eye on surroundings... 200-300 yards on 24 power, you can't see more than an average of a few feet to either side.
@@inquisitor8917 Why wouldn't you simply use a range finder, ?
@@robertboyd3863 I have one, but if I'm in the field in the batteries die, I drop it in water, I run it over by accident....
@@inquisitor8917 Not to hard to have a spare battery with you , if you are that clumsy what happens if you run over your scope or drop it in the water
@@robertboyd3863 Not hard to learn the math either.... Accidents happen.
SFP sounds like a pain in the ass.
FFp is junk for normal hunting , which is why they got rid of them 60 years ago
Imma just buy a FFP-SFP combo unit thingamagigee
Thanks for the great video .
I just wanted to know if i zero my rifle at for example 100 yards with sfp scope at 10x zoom
And for shooting longer distance like 500 yard when i use elevation for compensating the drop is it necessary to use the same zoom which i zeroed my rifle (10×) ? Or. Just dial and shoot at any zoom
Any takers on that question???? I'm curious,
What's all the yakkity yack about? It shouldn't be either/or. Riflescopes should have both reticles.
Actually I think there is one that does
Hunt the wolf; protect the flock.
Sorry you lost me. I’m a show me guy. All of these vids are always talking 300-500 yard shots. I’m just an average Joe looking for a good squirrel hunting scope.
WTF did he just say?
I still don't know which one I want on my AR.
Get first focal plane first. What I would do anyways.
why not get a duplex reticle? best of both worlds
Ffp ... that's why they are becoming more popular is because of AR's
@@robintaylor1490 FFP were crap canned 60 years ago as they are worthless for normal hunting
Say what?
omg I cant watch this video with the camera man heavy breathing in the background the entire time
+Cole Williams Cole I have listened to this like 4-5 times since you made that comment, I think you are hearing wind noise blowing over the microphone wind sock
+Cole Williams our camera man is not mic'ed up, but both Jason and Jim are, so the ruffling you heard was the breeze blowing over the lapel mics.
If you listen with headphones, you can clearly hear the breathing. It's not a camera man however, it is Jason Wilson's breathing that you hear. You can confirm this because he takes a big breath right before he starts speaking. It just comes down to mic placement. It could have been better on Jason.
This didnt explain crap about 1st or 2nd!!! I just heard I have this cause I do this and he has that cause he does that. Blah blah blah
That was a horrific, terrible ,Bad ,confusing ,explanation of first and second focal plane ! Two drunk 12 year olds could have done better
Lost
I just wasted 5:10 of my life on useless gibberish.