+goropeza101 Of course, Germany is not filled with morons and subsidies to promote the use of non renewable locomotion. Steam can be generated by Wood, Gasification, Solar, Alcohol, Biodiesel, "Anything that makes heat!"...."Like FIRE!" :D
+Whistle Stop Productions No not really, it would have to be pretty heavy to shield off the surroundings from radiation and we already have enough problems with both the waste material and major Environmental catastrophes from nuclear power plants. What would be cool would be to have a bunch of these on Iceland on a railway system with a fillup station at each station powered by some of the geo thermal energy they got there.
I've never heard of fireless locomotives. I was wondering if they could be strong enough to haul freight trains, and it looks like this video answered my question. That little green beauty was hauling quite a few tank cars at a good speed! I'm quite impressed by her!
@@whitcraft4578 she is actually fired by electricity. you know electric heaters and all. so the meaning of that type of fireless is to not use fire at all. just heat
I know that in Switzerland they converted some coal fired locomotives to use electric heaters at one point oppose to coal, because they had electrified rails, and due to lack of coal it was more economical to convert the steam locomotives
Toller Film!!! Ich war vor einiger Zeit im Soda-Werk Staßfurt, dort hat man noch 3 Dampfspeicherloks im Betrieb. Einfach faszinierend, Bahnbetrieb mit solchen Maschinen beobachten zu können. MfG Dirk
Reckon those tanks would have to be holding Flammable Stuff. No fires. No big Bangs. Like your car, petrol gauge gets low, you make sure you put some more in, Simple. Thanks Gordon. Great stuff.
What a wonderful piece of engineering. Like an electric stove on wheels. I bet upscaling the technology as big as a union pacific big boy would have serious power. Best part is no sparks or smoke. Perfect for global warming prevention
Thank you, GT, for sharing this. Always wanted to see one. KRUPP - the coffee maker? Is the tank insulated and charged with super hot water which boils off as the pressure is released into the cylinders?
WOW!, something with the KRUPP plate on it!, got the Krupp bio, really impressive peice of work, despite the involvement with the third reich(appropriate hack!, at the end), never got to hear much on any relics from same. Next.,I know steam is steam, but she' s just a little homely there, I guess its the so ugly its cute thing. neat little clip, kinda made my day seeing that little squirt. oh yeah, last little aside, starting to think I can make some good use out of the ' net after all
Özellikle yanıcı maddelerin çok bulunduğu petro kiya gibi üretim tesislerinde kullanılır.1978 yılında Hoecst şirketinin plastık üreten Gerndorft taki fabrikasında gördüm skıştırılmış likit hava ile çalıştığını söylemişlerdi
Many thanks for your comment and interest. My brother lives in County Durham and I really fancy a visit to the railway museum at Shildon. Back in the 1990s I remember seeing a yellow fireless roughly the same size as the Krupp in the film. That was in Carnforth Lancashire.
This chugs like the old steamers, but no stinkin' black smoke. Used in places that have a lot of steam,such as power plants. Fireless locos, like this one, must have enough insulation to keep the steam from cooling down too much
The locomotive is charged with hot water under pressure, not steam, from the bottom of the stationary boiler. Steam forms in the storage vessel above the water, just as in a normal boiler, keeping up the pressure on the water and stopping it from boiling. As this steam is drawn upon to feed the cylinders, the pressure drops, allowing more of the water to turn into steam. This process continues until the remaining water is too cool to boil further, and so steam production ends.
This locomotive moves tank freight trains from the Sassol chemical plant to the DB main line junction in Herne, Northrhein Westfalia, Germany from Monday to Thursday between 6:30 am and 1 pm. There is no problem waiting outside the factory gate and further up the line some 200 metres from the main gate by the level crossing as shown in the video. I'm not too sure about access to the factory premises and suppose I could write to the firm to see if permission may be granted. Many thanks for your interest. If there are any further questions please to not hesitate to contact me again.
Gordon Thomas Okay, no problem Gordon. Nice to see such video. If I'm not mistaken, there's another fireless loco in Netherlands, built by Du Croo en Brauns that does a similar job.
I'm not too sure about the one in the Netherlands as I only know the one in Herne around the corner from here. I was recently informed that the one that ran on behalf of a papermill in Osnabrück has been passed on to a preservation society and no longer provides services. It is also not known whether the Osnabrück papermill have stopped rail transport. Furthermore, I do know that there are 2 fireless 0-8-0 locomotives in action at Grosskraftwerk, Mannheim power station.
Gordon Thomas Just took a quick skim at your link, I must say, very interesting. Just hoping that I can see it one day, as fireless locos get more and more rare in the world. But on one side, I'm lucky enough that I still got to see one near where I live. I'll be interested if you have some more of these lovely beauties.
It's what is known as a steam accumulator. Steam is obtained from a boiler house to fill the container aboard the locomotive which is filled with water to maintain steam pressure. In principle it's a large thermos flask. When the steam runs out, the locomotive is recharged in the factory boiler house. I have seen this being done. One fine morning I will go there again for another good look.
Where's this little beauty re-charge at? The only real drawback to the fireless steam locomotive is the tendency to run out of steam on the opposite end of the yard from where the installation's boilers are situated at....
Steam! Unlike a typical steam engine however, these locomotives cant produce their own steam. They are provided with steam from an outside source that is stored within its condenser tank.
You would think they would have a larger exhaust pipe to lessen the back pressure on the cylinders - after all they don't have to create a draft for the fire.
@@gordon1066thomas957 Yes i know, but in the olden days at any station you could see the driver hop off the engine and lubricate all lubricating points on the engine, but now we've progressed decades so who knows it might be done automatically, or still manually. That's what i was wondering.
In principle it's like a thermos flask or steam accumulator. Steam is taken in from a boiler house to charge the locomotive which has a running time of about 6 hours per charge enabling the machine to undertake heavy shunting movements.
The size is probably sufficient for that purpose, short wheelbase allows simple construction on (for railways) tight curves and having no additional axles means that all the weight is on driven axles and contributes to traction.
They don't generate their own steam. Steam is taken from the boiler house as in principle these are mobile steam accumulators see belowA fireless steam locomotive is similar to a conventional steam locomotive, but has a reservoir, known as a steam accumulator, instead of a boiler. This reservoir is charged with superheated water under pressure from a stationary boiler. The engine works like a conventional steam engine using the high pressure steam above the water in the accumulator. As the steam is used and pressure drops, the superheated water boils, replacing the used steam. The locomotive can work like this until the pressure has dropped to a minimum useful level or the water runs out, after which it must be recharged.European fireless steam locomotives usually have the cylinders at the back, while American ones often have the cylinders at the front, as in a conventional locomotive. Major builders of fireless steam
This is daisy geared and tripping flip hallows doesn't if rampant geriatric carp into moulded grease vacancies here or prisoners doing moan choosing, obviously, for a
These engines were built by William Barclay in scotland,they were designed for the chemical industry one of these engines was operational from 1947 to 1986 at the bp chemical plant in Barry south glamorgan,Wales and is now in a local museum.
Only tank freight material is hauled between the chemical plant and main line junction, although the machine would be capable of hauling passenger coaches. The logic behind this system is that steam from the boiler house is used towards transportation factors which is cost saving as opposed to the deployment of diesel traction.
Gordon Thomas Well I figure you could run the occasion excursion with it and people would pay a pretty penny to ride it. Even if it's just a ride around the plant.
Because it is a fireless steam locomotive, steam is charged externally from a boiler house and stored in the locomotive's steam steam tank on a similar principle to a thermos flask. Generally speaking, the machine is a mobile steam accumulator capable of operating over an aproximate six hour period.
This is the first time I have seen one of these fireless steamers.
Thanks Gordon.
Rick hctep This is also the first time I’ve seen one run. I have seen one in person at the Illinois Railway Museum, but it is not operational.
No fuel required as steam is taken from a boiler house.
Wow! A very modern country like Germany still using steam, Goes to show that steam power is not obsolete!
+goropeza101 Of course, Germany is not filled with morons and subsidies to promote the use of non renewable locomotion.
Steam can be generated by Wood, Gasification, Solar, Alcohol, Biodiesel, "Anything that makes heat!"...."Like FIRE!" :D
Would an engine heated with an atomic reaction be classified as a "Fire-less engine"?
+Whistle Stop Productions Is an atomic reaction a fire?
Then there is your answer. :)
No, but wouldn't it be cool if an engine was heated by atomic power?
+Whistle Stop Productions No not really, it would have to be pretty heavy to shield off the surroundings from radiation and we already have enough problems with both the waste material and major Environmental catastrophes from nuclear power plants. What would be cool would be to have a bunch of these on Iceland on a railway system with a fillup station at each station powered by some of the geo thermal energy they got there.
I've never heard of fireless locomotives. I was wondering if they could be strong enough to haul freight trains, and it looks like this video answered my question. That little green beauty was hauling quite a few tank cars at a good speed! I'm quite impressed by her!
@@whitcraft4578 she is actually fired by electricity. you know electric heaters and all. so the meaning of that type of fireless is to not use fire at all. just heat
These locomotives usually operate near a facility that has an abundance of excess steam like a powerplant
Danke fürs hochladen, interessanter Film!
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! A real fireless steamer in action!
First one of those I've ever seen in action.
I know that in Switzerland they converted some coal fired locomotives to use electric heaters at one point oppose to coal, because they had electrified rails, and due to lack of coal it was more economical to convert the steam locomotives
Toller Film!!!
Ich war vor einiger Zeit im Soda-Werk
Staßfurt, dort hat man noch 3 Dampfspeicherloks im Betrieb.
Einfach faszinierend, Bahnbetrieb mit solchen
Maschinen beobachten zu können.
MfG Dirk
Reckon those tanks would have to be holding Flammable Stuff. No fires. No big Bangs.
Like your car, petrol gauge gets low, you make sure you put some more in, Simple.
Thanks Gordon. Great stuff.
What a wonderful piece of engineering. Like an electric stove on wheels.
I bet upscaling the technology as big as a union pacific big boy would have serious power. Best part is no sparks or smoke. Perfect for global warming prevention
No flame, no fire, designed for use in environments where open flames/fire is not allowed such as the petro chemical industry!
yup
Thank you, GT, for sharing this. Always wanted to see one. KRUPP - the coffee maker?
Is the tank insulated and charged with super hot water which boils off as the pressure is released into the cylinders?
Great vid...
The Germans are right ahead of us. Modern steam engine in an old steam locomotive. Well that what it looks like to me.
Thank you!
Great acceleration
Thanks for watching
WOW!, something with the KRUPP plate on it!, got the Krupp bio, really impressive peice of work, despite the involvement with the third reich(appropriate hack!, at the end), never got to hear much on any relics from same.
Next.,I know steam is steam, but she' s just a little homely there, I guess its the so ugly its cute thing.
neat little clip, kinda made my day seeing that little squirt.
oh yeah, last little aside, starting to think I can make some good use out of the ' net after all
im watching this in 2018. is this unit still in service or has it been discontinued ? fascinating to watch these little units work. thanks in advance
In power stations and sites where steam is being wasted in abundance, these lovely machines should've been law for moving goods around.
Did I see correctly - wheel lock/skid @ 0:42, movement resuming 1-2 seconds later?
hughvane usually braking locking the wheels to perform a small skid is one strategy of maintaining the velocity of the benzene tankers
How far can that thing go before it needs to be 'recharged?'
Think it runs on oil, like some fire less steamies
@@infinitethenextkazekage392 WHAT????
@@radcheckinski6300 what
@@infinitethenextkazekage392 learn to google, your comment is idiotic.
@@infinitethenextkazekage392 it runs on external produced steam!!!!!!
مرحبا كيف تعمل هذه القاطرة بتوليد البخار
Very interesting !
Özellikle yanıcı maddelerin çok bulunduğu petro kiya gibi üretim tesislerinde kullanılır.1978 yılında Hoecst şirketinin plastık üreten Gerndorft taki fabrikasında gördüm skıştırılmış likit hava ile çalıştığını söylemişlerdi
Amusingly, GATX, the owner of some of those tankers, was origin named German-American Tank Car.
Thanks you, Videos very nice,
Tolle Aufnahmen und klasse Lok. Daumen hoch! :)
There is a fireless 0 4 0 loco at the railway museum at Shildon County Durham, I belive it came from a paper mill ,much smaller than this loco though.
Many thanks for your comment and interest. My brother lives in County Durham and I really fancy a visit to the railway museum at Shildon. Back in the 1990s I remember seeing a yellow fireless roughly the same size as the Krupp in the film. That was in Carnforth Lancashire.
This chugs like the old steamers, but no stinkin' black smoke. Used in places that have a lot of steam,such as power plants. Fireless locos, like this one, must have enough insulation to keep the steam from cooling down too much
The locomotive is charged with hot water under pressure, not steam, from the bottom of the stationary boiler. Steam forms in the storage vessel above the water, just as in a normal boiler, keeping up the pressure on the water and stopping it from boiling. As this steam is drawn upon to feed the cylinders, the pressure drops, allowing more of the water to turn into steam. This process continues until the remaining water is too cool to boil further, and so steam production ends.
Superb
Wie ist es mit dem Luftdruck für die Bremen? Besitzt die Lok auch eine Luftpume dafür?
Nein, der Lokführer pustet dazu in die Bremsleitung. Blödsinn, ja natürlich.
Still running in 2020! Ref Railway Magazine September 2020....
Many thanks for the comment. I plan to go there again to film it in HD. It's only more or less round the corner from where I live.
Wonderful video!
Woah how many trucks can this little tank engine
Espetacular. Abraço
Do they allow tourists in there? Oh, and by the way, there are some fireless locos here in Java as well.
This locomotive moves tank freight trains from the Sassol chemical plant to the DB main line junction in Herne, Northrhein Westfalia, Germany from Monday to Thursday between 6:30 am and 1 pm. There is no problem waiting outside the factory gate and further up the line some 200 metres from the main gate by the level crossing as shown in the video. I'm not too sure about access to the factory premises and suppose I could write to the firm to see if permission may be granted. Many thanks for your interest. If there are any further questions please to not hesitate to contact me again.
Gordon Thomas Okay, no problem Gordon. Nice to see such video. If I'm not mistaken, there's another fireless loco in Netherlands, built by Du Croo en Brauns that does a similar job.
I'm not too sure about the one in the Netherlands as I only know the one in Herne around the corner from here. I was recently informed that the one that ran on behalf of a papermill in Osnabrück has been passed on to a preservation society and no longer provides services. It is also not known whether the Osnabrück papermill have stopped rail transport. Furthermore, I do know that there are 2 fireless 0-8-0 locomotives in action at Grosskraftwerk, Mannheim power station.
Here is a link re fireless steam locomotives in Germany
www.internationalsteam.co.uk/trains/fireless01.htm
Gordon Thomas Just took a quick skim at your link, I must say, very interesting. Just hoping that I can see it one day, as fireless locos get more and more rare in the world. But on one side, I'm lucky enough that I still got to see one near where I live. I'll be interested if you have some more of these lovely beauties.
Would someone please explain how this loco works , how is the steam produced ?
It's what is known as a steam accumulator. Steam is obtained from a boiler house to fill the container aboard the locomotive which is filled with water to maintain steam pressure. In principle it's a large thermos flask. When the steam runs out, the locomotive is recharged in the factory boiler house. I have seen this being done. One fine morning I will go there again for another good look.
@@gordon1066thomas957 Thanks Gordon,I had no idea such locos existed .
Where's this little beauty re-charge at? The only real drawback to the fireless steam locomotive is the tendency to run out of steam on the opposite end of the yard from where the installation's boilers are situated at....
Normally steam stored in engine lasts for an entire 8-9 hr day of shunting.
Now, imagine this running backwards, it will not make a cab foward?
Must have a really big steam tank at high pressure.
0:42 probably not supposed to wheel slip like dat '-'
Interesting
What I meant is that I wish the lights were bigger, it makes the lok look...odd
Интересная конструкция паравоза !!!
Steam! Unlike a typical steam engine however, these locomotives cant produce their own steam. They are provided with steam from an outside source that is stored within its condenser tank.
Yep dosn't appear that there's any air for the brakes of the rest of the train,
You would think they would have a larger exhaust pipe to lessen the back pressure on the cylinders - after all they don't have to create a draft for the fire.
I wonder, does it have to be greased every now and then like in the olden days or is it lubricated automatically, such as with cars?
Have not yet managed to discover more behind the scene. It can be assumed that it's necessary to lubricate the moving parts such as running gear.
@@gordon1066thomas957 Yes i know, but in the olden days at any station you could see the driver hop off the engine and lubricate all lubricating points on the engine, but now we've progressed decades so who knows it might be done automatically, or still manually.
That's what i was wondering.
@@stevenbanaan still done the olden ways.
Why does it have to look so derpy though?
How it works??
WHO ELSE THOUGHT THIS WAS A CAB FORWARD
no one
@@smootherthemaskedengine4303 yeah this was 2 years ago, it’s a fireless engine
@@nigelgresley87546 yup
In one direction it technically is cab forward, lol.
What do they use for brakes (compressed air)?
Yep, since brake systems were harmonized in Germany, before that also steam until 1910
Fireless... how does that work?
In principle it's like a thermos flask or steam accumulator. Steam is taken in from a boiler house to charge the locomotive which has a running time of about 6 hours per charge enabling the machine to undertake heavy shunting movements.
How does it produce steam if it is tireless?
Steam is charged into the onboard container on the locomotive from a boiler house. The locomotive is in principle a steam accumulator.
One question Why don't they make it bigger like a 2-10-2 tank engine?
There has been some of that wheel arrangement for export but for small plant the 0 6 0s were efficient enough
The size is probably sufficient for that purpose, short wheelbase allows simple construction on (for railways) tight curves and having no additional axles means that all the weight is on driven axles and contributes to traction.
That gal is really quiet!
No lights?
There are small battery operated LED lights at each end of the locomotive.
From 1958
Does anyone know where in Germany this is?
It is in Herne, Ruhr District. Running times are mainly Mondays to Thursdays from 6as to around 1pm or after subject to workloads.
If it is fireless steam how do they make steam?
They don't generate their own steam. Steam is taken from the boiler house as in principle these are mobile steam accumulators see belowA fireless steam locomotive is similar to a conventional steam locomotive, but has a reservoir, known as a steam accumulator, instead of a boiler. This reservoir is charged with superheated water under pressure from a stationary boiler. The engine works like a conventional steam engine using the high pressure steam above the water in the accumulator. As the steam is used and pressure drops, the superheated water boils, replacing the used steam. The locomotive can work like this until the pressure has dropped to a minimum useful level or the water runs out, after which it must be recharged.European fireless steam locomotives usually have the cylinders at the back, while American ones often have the cylinders at the front, as in a conventional locomotive. Major builders of fireless steam
It's a pressure cooker on wheels. Turn out the gas, wait 10 minutes and try taking the lid off, come to think of it don't.
This is daisy geared and tripping flip hallows doesn't if rampant geriatric carp into moulded grease vacancies here or prisoners doing moan choosing, obviously, for a
who idea was this
These engines were built by William Barclay in scotland,they were designed for the chemical industry one of these engines was operational from 1947 to 1986 at the bp chemical plant in Barry south glamorgan,Wales and is now in a local museum.
@@robertcoleman4458 so people were tired that the smoke in tunnels getting into there eyeballs
@@robertcoleman4458 nope, first wireless steam engines were built in 1865 in Autria and Germany for use in tunnel construction.
This thing ever pull passenger trains?
Only tank freight material is hauled between the chemical plant and main line junction, although the machine would be capable of hauling passenger coaches. The logic behind this system is that steam from the boiler house is used towards transportation factors which is cost saving as opposed to the deployment of diesel traction.
Gordon Thomas Well I figure you could run the occasion excursion with it and people would pay a pretty penny to ride it.
Even if it's just a ride around the plant.
How old is she?
Series of those were built 1952-56
what does it run on then?
Might be oil, might be electric i dunno
@@infinitethenextkazekage392 steam you idiot!!!!!!!!
@@steffenrosmus9177 but how does the steam get created if it’s fireless dumbass
Kind of skidding the wheels there....
Yep, when the steam gets low the power-to-weight ratio gets to far off balance, and the engine slips with a certain sized load
There's no smoke because there are 36 slaves in the tender rowing like stink. Seriously, how do it work?
Because it is a fireless steam locomotive, steam is charged externally from a boiler house and stored in the locomotive's steam steam tank on a similar principle to a thermos flask. Generally speaking, the machine is a mobile steam accumulator capable of operating over an aproximate six hour period.
You are seriously dum. It is painful to read comments like this. #stupiditypandemic
@@gordon1066thomas957 Gee, Gordon, that's underwhelming: It tales all the fun out of locos.
Steam from a boiler house is injected into the pressure vessel on the locomotive. Basically, its a similar principle to a thermos flask.
0:42 uh is that normal
Not as a rule. That occasion provided an exception. Must go there again one morning and do another video in 16:9 HD . . .
Die Oma
I hate it.