356 Speedster & Daytona Coupe - Can Replica Cars be Fun? | Everyday Driver TV Season 8
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- The Porsche 356 Speedster and Daytona Coupe are expensive collector cars, but there are replica versions that strive to bring them to the average person. We drive a Factory Five Type 65 (Daytona Coupe) and a Vintage Speedster (356 Speedster) to debate the merit of replicas and what makes a fun drive.
00:00 - 00:58 Pacific Coast Highway and great cars
00:58 - 2:53 Real vs. Fake
2:53 - 10:30 Daytona Coupe (FF Type 65)
10:30 - 15:51 Porsche 356 Speedster (Vintage Speedster)
15:51 - Are Replicas Worth It?
This TV episode first premiered on MotorTrend cable channel in January of 2021, and is also available on Amazon Prime Video.
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It doesn't matter what it is or who 'didn't' make it. If a car has been well engineered and properly set up, the dedication and passoin of whoever built it will come through in the driving experience. There are lots of replicas that are just as good and sometimes better than the cars they are copies of.
We're glad you align with our thoughts here. Thanks for watching!
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As you suggested is possible, the Factory Five Type 65 is waayyyy better engineered then the original Shelby Daytonas, as is the Factory Five Mark IV Roadster than the original Shelby 427 SC. The Factory Fives benefit from 60 years of technology improvement, including having chassis designed with the benefits of computational fluid dynamics, making them far more solid than the originals. Add the improvements in engine technology , as well as vastly superior tires, and one gets a superior driving experience.
Even if the original was better (as you mentioned, they usually aren’t), would it matter if you have to be stressed out about damaging a rare car? I certainly wouldn’t enjoy driving a sacred collectible car.
@@richardbixler If you love your car, you'll look after it regardless. Many who can afford rare, collectible racers often still take them onthe track because that's what they were meant to do, that's how they are enjoyed. But if they are damaged, which does happen, collectors often have enough money to have the repaired and rstored properly. I guess, damage is fine, just don't destroy the car outright and beyond repair, lol.
Yes. Replicas are the best. They have the looks, and can be used and abused without remorse of depreciation, damaged, robbed…
I love everything about FFR. The whole team, catalog, all of it. And they really make "something for everyone". Between the OG coupe to the 818, you can have it all. If racing is you thing, there's a class for EVERY model. I know this sounds like a PSA, but they have really saved the "unreachable" classic-to-modern sports car for the rest of us Joe/June Smohe 👍
The Factory 5 version of the Coupe is simply beautiful. I would love to own one. But, I would have to drive it every day.
As someone who is buildlng a factor five Mk IV roadster, I was very torn on building the roadster vs the coupe. I love the lines of the coupe, but the open air of the roadster. It's like someone mated the 356 and Daytona Coupe, making the AC Cobra / Mk IV Roadster. Love love love that car.
I have a Factory 5 MK4 roadster (their cobra replica), and I love driving it. There are days I wish I had gone the Daytona route since you kind of have to be a part time meteorologist when driving a car with no roof.
How much was your car?
@@k3iler05 I paid 40k for everything. I bought the complete kit from factory five including the wheels, tires, and rear end. I bought the engine from Mike Forte. You could do it for about 15k if you have the correct donor car and don't mind putting in extra work. I also bought a bunch of after market stuff for mine. These include radiator hinge, front mount battery box, pre bent radiator hoses, triple remote reservoir, coolant overflow tank, and drive shaft safety loop. Let me know if you have any more questions.
@@JoshuaJohnson-ve7ty Wow that sounds obtainable! Thought they were 100k!
Nowhere near owning, let alone building one but its nice to know.
I'd love to own, even if a replica, a little piece of history from a great American.
You may have seen it.... but check out Throttle House review of the Factory Five MK4. They had a blast driving it & the sounds it makes. OMG, lol
Best of both worlds. Modern engine and gearbox. Not millions to insure . If it gets scratched not gonna be bothered so much compared to a priceless edition.
That Daytona is a beast! In June 1964, Jack Sears drove the AC version. He was clocked at 185 mph, on the (open) M1 motorway near Watford! The Willment version would do 170 mph in third! Epic.
I own a Factory Five Challenge series roadster that was built and successfully raced in nasa by the prior owner.
It’s by far the most fun car I’ve ever driven and the fact that it’s “fake” makes it even more enjoyable when I smoke you through the twisties in your “real” car.
I was stationed in Wiesbaden in the mid 1960's and made many trips to the Ring. Being far from home and seeing California plates on the original Daytona coupes was pretty cool. I loved watching and hearing them racing against the Alfas, Ferraris, Porsches, etc. Great fun!
Another set of great cars, but again, what really gets to me is your enthusiasm and the love for special cars. Keep doing this kind of stuff, and I'll keep coming back.
Thanks guys!
Thrilled to have watching and enjoying along with us. Thank you!
Weird to see Hagerty endorsing a fully caged car, for road use. Yet, I was denied coverage (no accidents or tickets) on one of my vehicles because it enters one motorsports event a year, which I outlined in my app stating I knew it wouldn’t be covered for that. Odd company.
That is odd. I insure a significantly modified Porsche 911-964 and a hot rodded 914 with Hagerty and I’ve found them to be quite reasonable. I do DEs in the 964, but as you said, their policies won’t cover track use, so I chose not to talk with them about it. (As an aside, Hagerty does offer very expensive track day coverage).
Anyway, there are other agreed value insurers out there. One that comes to mind is Leland West. You might consider talking to them.
@@davidsherley2652 I was shocked when they denied me for that. Wasn’t expecting any coverage for that event either, just being up front it will attend once per year.
I’ve found State Farm to be my best option, due to having a lot of odd ball cars. They are really good about insuring random cars and motorcycles.
@@sarahdell4042 But not so good about honoring claims.
My ex wife totalled her car. Single vehicle accident on a dirt road. They paid us more than I expected, plus a little extra as I put a new trans in that car a couple months before @@machtschnell7452
As much as I love the Daytona, I think the 356 Speedster is just perfect for that drive. It really is such a classic California car!
Great video/production as always!. This proves you can have fun at opposite ends of the performance spectrum. Having learned to drive in a VW beetle, I'm partial to anything air cooled.Having said that, my daily driver is 5.0 mustang 6sp. So i relate to both very well. Thank you for reviewing cars us mortals can one day own.
Glad to have you with us. Thanks for watching!
Every now & again I look through the Factory 5 catalogue. Right now, time makes it impossible. I’m hoping that after retirement I’ll have the disposable income to make it happen.
Never knew about the daytona coupe. Dont know that I could afford a base replica. But I would put my soul down as a deposit. The 356 is one of my favorites of all time. I drove a real one once and it was life changing. Stunned how tight it is with feet to the right. But was big enough for my large size.
The subaru 180 hp engine in the speedster is amazing.
Once I learned of the Coupe's history, I fell in love with it and made it my dream car.
I was just thinking to myself that an EJ-powered Speedster would be a legendary experience!
Nothing makes up for lightness in a car in terms of driver engagement.
I don’t know why anyone even talks about the replica thing in a negative light, makes no sense to me. Eventually every original car from these time periods will be gone and all we’ll have will be replicas. that’s is fine by me, makes no difference I think. Just keep making new replicas, and then you can use them like they’re engineered to be without fear of damaging something incredibly precious. I’d love to build a factory five, they’ve been in the game a long time and have evolved their chassis to a point where it’s incredibly well polished.
I think the Daytona is one of the most beautiful cars, only followed by it's modern variant the Dodge Viper GTS.
A beautifully crafted review of 2 cars that usually find themselves near the top of a driving enthusiast’s wish list. Always enjoy the all the effort and enthusiasm you both put into your videos. My childhood wish car has always been the Daytona or cobra. My close friend is restoring a 356. You can see how easily you can lose it in either car if it’s not respected. Well done!
when what im looking for is a cool driving experience, I couldn't care less about by who or when was the car built. in that sense, if the replica is as fun as the original, I'm having more fun with it that an owner of the "real" one.
I've been watching a bunch of shelby Daytona videos. I really wish I could drive one before I pull the trigger and build one. Awesome video!
The Daytona Coupes always seem so special to me, never get tired of seeing new content on them.
It depends on who makes them. The top kit makers are great, but there are many replicas that are awful.
I've worked on and checked out a few replicas, luckily most were known and well crafted, even the speedster ones. Now especially in dealing with VW chassis and drivelines, most VW enthusiasts are absolute fucking mechanical morons and do more damage than anything else while wasting loads of money, and sadly those people haven't washed out of the networks in all these years. I grew to love real 911's, we have a lot on the area I live, and it's to the point most foreign shops won't touch them anymore, those as well as old british cars. I was applying for a job at one Range rover specialist and the owner told me to please open a shop that works on the older cars as he simply can't deal with them any more. Ig decent shop space wasn't so damned overpriced here anymore I'd consider it.
Love it. I was just making our milk run up HWY 1 to see family the other day. FYI...Northbound from Morro Bay has less tourist traffic. It's so much more fun driving north, when in a fun car.
We actually recently stayed in Morro Bay for a night during our west coast road trip shoot. That will premiere on Motor Trend TV in a couple of weeks and will end up here soon as well.
For the love of God, factory five please do a GT40.
Boys, in case you see this, thanks for this video. I’ve seen scores of your shows and enjoyed each of them. Your “product” is unique and high quality. I could relate to this one with more than hopes and dreams. My best friend of 50+ yrs lives in the Bay Area, I live in Seattle. He has a 981 Base Boxster, I have a 981 Boxster S. Each January we pick one of several ways to drive together to Bandon Oregon for a gathering of a special group of men and women. There we play all but one of the courses together in a Ryder Cup format. Our favorite route is up Hwy 1 and then 101. We’ve always had sunny weather in the high 50’s, which is enough to get the top down. I fly down ahead of the trip and we take my friend’s car. We can pack two sets of clubs and luggage for winter sports and dining without a rack. If you don’t know Bandon Dunes it’s the only golf resort with more than one 18 hole course in the Top 100 - - and it has four plus an award winning Par 3. Watching the replicas got me thinking of a new variation on the trip. Thanks, again.
Glad you found us and like what we do! Congrats on having a great annual road trip. Thanks for watching!
Fantastic video. My favorite road. Love going around going north and seeing the two cars then truck then open space and then pulling out at speed into that space with no visability. Its my all time favorite and intense sport. You do it right and its amazing. You would only screw up once. But its beyond worth it.
Every time- you guys knock it out of the park! Thank you!!!
Right in my backyard. Beautiful
Love that Daytona!
Currently driving a ‘21 2SS 1LE
Love that Daytona!!!
I need a V8 in my life, that sounds glorious. The 356 Speedster is beautiful
Another example of why I love this channel. I would probably have to go with the Daytona as well. Reminds me just a bit-feel wise- of the Scarab. Like to see a replica of that one day.
Everything from the drive to excellent choice of vehicles screams what an experience. Well done guys
Aesthetics are generally subjective especially amongst cars but, there's no denying that curves are harmoniously and geometrical pleasing to the human eye. That's why I'll pitch in here and say, the 356 is one of the most beautiful shaped and proportioned cars period. ❤
It's just like Mr. Doug K. and his Bocar XP-5 replica. The originals, especially with race history, are bloody expensive, but was his replica when it sold recently. Still not as much as a professionally raced XP-5 that sold for 412k, but still..... Same difference!
Nice job guys! Your analysis of both machines was most informative! Keep up the good work!
I was brought home from the hospital in a 356C coupe when I was born.
Drove this strip of road in my ‘75 engine swapped stingray. Definitely a memorable experience with the t-tops off and with my girlfriend
What a great show. The Dayton pops up the list as a bucket list driver.
Man video production is greaaat! Superb job gentelmen
Thank you. We appreciate you watching and commenting!
I got some of my lessons from a guy who won the World Championship driving the Daytona Coupe.
In the mid 60's I was a kid in elementary school and there was a middle-aged couple in my neighborhood whose daily drivers were a pair of Porsche 356's: a coupe and a cabriolet, both in silver. I can't imagine what that pair of cars would be worth today.
Oh Daytona Coupe. My heart skips a beat every time I watch this video. I rode last year this area on the motorcycle from Seattle, an absolute beauty of the road. I must give you the props for showing the beauty of this area and adding diamonds to it to make it pop. Beautifully filmed and you definitely brought the auditory experience as well. The marriage of the visual and auditory...you make my heart skip. Lovely video.
Thank you! Thrilled to hear this capture the feel of the area and made an impression on you! We appreciate you watching!
What a great idea for a video! Thanks.
I’m in the middle of building my Type 65 Coupe, factory fives chassis are amazing.
I've only just discovered this channel, and I am really enjoying the informative content. Moving on from replica/continuation cars I would really like to see a review on kit cars as they are becoming more and more accessible and modern. Specifically the Superlite SLC and the Factory Five GTM, which are both entering supercar territory. I'd also be interested in the Factory Five F9 (if they ever get around to making it). Perhaps these companies have a built show version of these cars that could be reviewed?
I would love a LeMans race car replica, for example there are mutliple Porsche 917 replicas.
I lifted once in my ‘65 Karmann Ghia on an off-ramp, full send … She spun smooth as a top.
Didn’t hit anything, shifted and carried on
I drove the PCH from San Francisco to Santa Monica last July, and it was the best vacation ever!
The 65 has better proportions/looks better then the original.
Edit: the rear fender/quarter panel specifically.
It's not about what it's not, it's about what it is.
I had a 1960 Porsche 356B Roadster, the successor to the Speedster. Slightly more civilized in that it had roll-up widows and a slightly taller windshield (still removeable) and top. 1600 Normal so hardly fast. This was in the late '70's/early '80's. It was a blast to drive. Interestingly, a friend had a Speedster replica with a built 2000 cc VW motor which would blow the doors off my Roadster. A '60 Roadster is now a six figure car (I sold mine too soon). But I managed to recapture the joy of that car with a 2006 Miata. It's true that the answer is always a Miata, even the somewhat maligned NC!
We are big Miata fans and did a comparison film of all the generations. The NC is a great car. Thanks for watching!
One of my automotive goals is to build a Factory Five Daytona Coupe with a Ford 5.2 Voodoo based engine. Flat-plane crank and all.
Reproductions (as I prefer to call those manufactured over a reproduced frame (as opposed to a sourced chassis) are very rewarding. For 10 years I owned a 1955 Porsche 550 Spyder reproduction manufactured by Vintage (tubular frame). The fun part of ownership for me was incorporating modifications to give the car the closest look and feel of the original. List of mods (manufactured by Fibersteel inc) included: original lock-out shift gate, aluminum skinning in the fender wells, clam, front gas tank section + battery set-up & double walled aluminum firewall (manufactured by Bentmetalcustoms). Installation of reproductions of the dual horn set up (Fibersteel) and original fuel pumps (e-bay sourced from a 356) & 13” wide tires on 16” rims. Type IV engine sourced from a 914, built by FAT Performance, dual Webber’s tuned to 180 HP. Plexi windshield conforming to the original model, i.e., devoid of a metal surround. Suspension and driveshaft VW. Modern amenities, disc brakes and rear coilovers, for safety and comfort respectively. Aftermarket uncomplicated exhaust, dual mufflers. The driving experience was tremendous, mid-engine for balance, with the original tire size, making for challenges and excitement given the power produced (30 more than the original model) and may I say wonderful sound. I sold the car a couple years back to a lucky owner up in the Northwest. I enjoyed every moment of ownership. Would I have preferred an aluminum body and 4 cam engine? Sure, but not for $330K….
Great job guys
Absolutely looove your clips guys. Love your inputs
The only thing I dislike is the piano soundtrack that gets played over and over. I think its waaaay overused, not every piece to camera has to have a grandiose soundtrack - save it perhaps to the end or when the moment really asks for it. A chill soundtrack for the rest would definitely do it for me
Love you guys and cant wait for your next one !
I drove it in a rented Highlander. Was not the same experience, but amazing none the less !
Peter Brock had a book that originally came from Germany about aerodynamics , a lot of that went into this car. The Daytona coupe even rival the GT40 and a lot of the Ferraris of the day.
Yes! Please do Caterham vs Factory Five roadster.
356 is still one of my all time favourite sports cars
Todd's face is the Daytona when he guns it! 😃😃😃
Well if one cannot afford the real deal, this is a great option.
I have a friend that owns a McBurnie Ferrari Daytona Spyder and I think it's pretty awesome.
We agree - an accessible alternative.
I remember quite a few years back i joined in on a online simrace session that were using the Shelby's at Philip Island.
It was one of the hardest online races that I've ever been in. Even the experienced were struggling .
I think the most important thing to remember is that cars are not their own separate thing from the rest of existence. They are a collection of parts assembled to become what they are; meaning that they can be created by totally different sources while coming to the same end product.
as a teen, my Dad and I built a 356 speedster kit car. it was a blast to drive.
I got to drive a Beck replica Speedster around Laguna Seca more than 10 years ago. I would rather drive a replica than worry about a real speedster getting in an accident.
In our present time of exponential values of classic cars, and therefore accessible only to the wealthy, faithfully designed and well engineered replicas are a godsend to average car enthusiasts.
As an example of the exponential increases, I own a ‘90 Porsche 911-964. I bought the car in 2010 for $26.5K. A 964 in similar condition would sell for upwards of $60K today. The prices are just unhinged (and the majority of new cars are just too unengaging to drive and enjoy on the road).
Please consider doing a series of videos on various replica shops that build faithful and well sorted cars. Given the current classic car environment, I think you’re really onto something here.
More gorgeous scenery and incredible cars!!! The only thing to make this better, would be a third car/host. Of EVERYTHING CZcams/TV I watch, EverydayDriver is my absolute favorite! At 6:05 with captions on... Music indeed!!! Starting at 9:16... amusing analogy, ~Laughs in 6' and kinda thick~ 😆😎
I'll most definitely be looking into DriveShare if/when I'm ever in the PCH area for these cars specifically.
We’re thankful to have you watching and enjoying what we do!
@@EverydayDriver, I'm thankful you keep making it. You are one of the only, if not the only car show that caters almost exclusively to manual transmission enthusiasts. Keep up the excellent work guys!!! 💪😎
The thick traffic is why I suggest going at night on a weeknight if you want to push your CHP luck.
I also suggest ca 58 between 101 and Bakersfield as the unknown and less traveled rival as goes hot car experience, when in that part of the country. Much much less traffic and ticket risk but just as twisty and engaging.
Being as i live in SLO, CA.. I get to drive PCH three times a month..
For those car enthusiasts some information
1. Make sure you get Gasoline either in SLO or Carmel before you drive PCH.. gas is 10 bucks a gallon in Gorda.
2. The days of racing or high speed runs on PCH are over.. As there are now caravans of tourists driving motorhomes on PCH ... be careful on the blind turns as you are just as likely to either
Come upon a gaggle of Chinese tourists STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD TAKING PICTURES...
Or have a motor home that is at a complete stop in the road trying to pull over at one of the turnouts.
If you think you are a bad ass in a bitchen car... try the Nacimiento- FERGUSON road ( Monterey County road 4004) that will put a smile on your face.. make sure you have plenty of fuel and head towards lake naciemento.. ( this is the secret back way )
Mind the motorcyclists on the weekends !
I think maybe my biggest mistake with cars, is getting a classic sports car, that was not very cheap that has had deferred maintenance and a lot of older parts that will continually need to be replaced, even if the driving experience is amazing. I believe I should have looked harder at getting a replica, maybe it would have cost a little bit more upfront but I would probably be paying less in the long run because of it being a new build. Plus if it drives like a classic sports car, I don't think I am missing very much with it not being original, as I am after the best driving experience possible, something that new cars unfortunately can't provide. It doesn't have to sit and be viewed as art and be some kind of collectible, as long as it puts a smile on my face when i mash the right pedal, that's all I really care about.
Agreed 100%. I have two classic Porsches and have become friends with both of the previous owners. In a sense, when you buy a used car, you’re buying the previous owner’s respect, or lack thereof, for the car.
Given my experience over the years, I can’t imagine purchasing a higher end classic car without getting to know the previous owner in the process.
Now they need to make a Miura #Replicar!!
Both of these cars have great styling. Although i prefer the speedster wide body version over the original.
But if i had to choose one. It would absolutely be the Daytona. That sound…… 🎶 🎵
I’d love to see you guys review a nice Stratos replica.
The PCH is a breathtaking drive no matter what vehicle you are in! I know “slow is smooth and smooth is fast”, but I’d still take the Daytona!
Drive the Shelby cobra replica it's my dream sports car. The factory 5 replica. If I ever get a garage I'm going for it with a hard top (I live in canada). Just thonk it's so cool. Great video!
Actually both of theese are my dream cars and I would enyoy in any of them 24/7😍
Oh yeah, even better than the original sometimes, and way better than almost anything new out there!
Nice vid. It would be great to add one more replica in this mix...550 Spyder by Beck.
I've ridden the pch on my crf250l 3 times, and camped over the clouds, epic road
Hey love your channel. This has always been one of my bucket list cars. one question di something happen to the rear glass deck lid of the Daytona coupe ?
The latch just needed adjustment-it popped open a few times by itself and we didn’t realize the glass was up. Since the car is so quiet, and all. You’d think we would have noticed a draft!
Yes everything is fun if you like it 🏆
Very enjoyable video on a great topic , thank you .
I'm just a little annoyed about the QR code on the Daytona, how tacky ... ;)
Replica are better than original if you want to drive and have fun
I've built 2 liter type 1 engines for Speedster replicas as well as 2300cc Porsche 914 engines. The become rockets.
Awesome!
The American Peter Brock also designed the Pagoda roof line which Mercedes Benz "Borrowed".
Gotta put stickers all over it because it is so wavy.
Caterham Seven! The genuine "replica" :-) I had a look on Hagerty but unfortunately they don't have any - they should really fix that.
Just seeing how rapidly those SUVs were trying to move out of Todd's way makes me want to get the Daytona kit. 🥺
thanks
Hate to be "that guy", but that Daytona seat is downright dangerous. Not adequate padding on the cross bar of the rollbar for a direct impact with your skull.
That FF Coupe is a deathtrap unless you put real seats in it. Any sort of small or large collision will cause you to slam your head into the rollbar directly behind your head. Game over.
Todd, I know you (and Chance) recommended I buy a production car like a Corvette or F-type… but I’m still on the Factory 5 Cobra kick. Gotta clear the garage (and a little cash) and start my dream Cobra build…. And dial it in. Lol
Hard to go wrong either way! I’m sure seeing this video injected even more Factory 5 into your veins. You’re welcome!
@@phattyhales Thanks for the encouragement, and .02 on the podcast. Really appreciate the perspective.
Only issue I have is the Porsche badges on the 356 replica.
If you like the speedster, have a great time. But the Daytona is the only one I personally would want.
As the owner of a Cobra replica I can say this: F*ck yeah replicas are fun!
Y'know people think of my as a weirdo because I prefer cars like these. Cars that aren't necessarily fast, but are just enjoyable.
Not a thing wrong with that.
Nice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
can you get your hands on a Beck Spyder? its like that speedster but mid engine 125 horse
I would have been more impressed if they did this with the ford focus RS engine/drivetrain. Tuners are getting 1000HP+ out of that thing .
Both fantastic cars, but the Daytona would be my choice. Unfortunately in Europe almost impossibile to make them road legal 😞
Its unfortunate the reviewer did not discuss the fact that this kit Porsche in no way handles like the real thing. The kit uses the basic VW floor pan/tunnel assembly that a fiberglass body is bolted onto. Very little rigidity. The actual Porsche has the reinforced steel body welded on which provides a much stiffer chassis. Although it is a very popular kit, its not really a good foundation for decent handling.
Fake are more fun because you are worried about them depreciating or being damaged